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Post by Mark on Oct 2, 2023 22:05:48 GMT
There have been repeated calls for my input/guidance since this (and other now merged or deleted) polling thread was started.
I am currently formulating my response which will be posted tomorrow.
In the interim can we please put discussion on the matter to one side and concentrate on polling/politics?
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Post by bedknobsandboomstick on Oct 2, 2023 22:11:31 GMT
I was interested to read the comments on the earlier thread about public spaces, quality of life etc in parts of continental Europe and that this was due to rich retirees, tourists etc. Here is,a perspective from central Portugal. It is not a tourist hot spot. There are no significant numbers of rich retirees Expats, such as there are, are mainly homesteading, smallholders renovating derelict quintas. Our small village and its surrounding hamlets has two thriving village shops, a bank, a GP and health centre, a pharmacy, a post office, a day care centre, a primary school, three cafes, two restaurants, a cultural centre, a village leisure centre with modern outdoor swimming pool and associated cafe. The streets and public spaces are kept immaculately by the junta de freguesia which also managed to issue our residency certificates in 24 hours despite my execrable Portuguese. We had superfast fibre broadband installed within days despite it requiring the installation of new poles and cabling ( our village in Scotland was in scope for installation possibly by 2025). The UK needs to realise it is becoming a basket case. I was involved with a relatively minor Network Rail repair job a few years ago. The sort of job a local civils firm would have sorted out with a large excavator and a few HGV loads of stone from the quarry. The job was taken over by "consultants". I kid you not, the whole job increased in price by several 100%. Unbelievable. Someone is getting very rich. What could possibly go wrong with a poorly thought out bit of work with an excavator and a few loads of stone? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehaven_derailment |
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Post by Rafwan on Oct 2, 2023 22:22:28 GMT
steve“I'm not here to defend the Labour party, their members can do that” Well of course you will wish to exploit what you see as divisions in opposing parties. Perfectly reasonable - I do it all the time. But you don’t seriously expect me to help you do that to us, do you?
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Post by oldnat on Oct 2, 2023 23:14:57 GMT
Having seen a clip of Truss walking into her fringe event, I noted that her trousers were even shorter than Sunak's. Is this a fashion trend, or a competition to signal the level of cuts to tax and benefits that the wearer advocates?
Will we, ultimately, see Gove in Bermuda shorts and Patel in Levi's Rolled Shorts, as clothing signalling becomes even more extreme?
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Post by mercian on Oct 2, 2023 23:46:35 GMT
Not sure tory party members swooning over Truss while she trashes Sunak is a vote winner Interesting that The Blessed Margaret, so maligned by the left, has both the highest absolute and net positive score. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 23:49:37 GMT
Having seen a clip of Truss walking into her fringe event, I noted that her trousers were even shorter than Sunak's. Is this a fashion trend, or a competition to signal the level of cuts to tax and benefits that the wearer advocates?
Will we, ultimately, see Gove in Bermuda shorts and Patel in Levi's Rolled Shorts, as clothing signalling becomes even more extreme? No. |
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Post by mercian on Oct 2, 2023 23:57:15 GMT
I was interested to read the comments on the earlier thread about public spaces, quality of life etc in parts of continental Europe and that this was due to rich retirees, tourists etc. Here is,a perspective from central Portugal. It is not a tourist hot spot. There are no significant numbers of rich retirees Expats, such as there are, are mainly homesteading, smallholders renovating derelict quintas. Our small village and its surrounding hamlets has two thriving village shops, a bank, a GP and health centre, a pharmacy, a post office, a day care centre, a primary school, three cafes, two restaurants, a cultural centre, a village leisure centre with modern outdoor swimming pool and associated cafe. The streets and public spaces are kept immaculately by the junta de freguesia which also managed to issue our residency certificates in 24 hours despite my execrable Portuguese. We had superfast fibre broadband installed within days despite it requiring the installation of new poles and cabling ( our village in Scotland was in scope for installation possibly by 2025). The UK needs to realise it is becoming a basket case. Did you ever try to get a landline before BT was privatised? It took 6 months at least. You and others try to pretend that all the inefficiencies and poor service are the result of governments since 2010, and more specifically since Brexit. Not so. |
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 0:12:11 GMT
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 0:17:07 GMT
mercianBt was privatised in 1984 you have to go back to at least the 1960's to find the waits you suggest for a land line ,not all the time btw. This was of course before the UK joined the eec.
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 5:24:19 GMT
Not sure tory party members swooning over Truss while she trashes Sunak is a vote winner Interesting that The Blessed Margaret, so maligned by the left, has both the highest absolute and net positive score. Agree, even more interesting is that Blair so 'maligned' by the right and the left has the second highest net positive score and only 3% behind the 'blessed Margaret' |
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 5:33:21 GMT
Projection: Rutherglen & Hamilton West
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 5:42:05 GMT
Does seem convenient that at the most crucial times of the pandemic response both Sunak's and Johnson's WhatsApp messages are missing
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 5:53:49 GMT
Disgusting dog whistle politics from the tory Mayoral Candidate
Response from the Board of Deputies of British Jews
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Post by Danny on Oct 3, 2023 6:04:25 GMT
Did you ever try to get a landline before BT was privatised? It took 6 months at least. You and others try to pretend that all the inefficiencies and poor service are the result of governments since 2010, and more specifically since Brexit. Not so. I seem to remember Wedgewood Benn talking about this. That the government service was immensely profitable but government used that money for other activities, hence underfundign BT deveopment. Although back in the 70s the OU seemed to use BT as example of a world leader in technological innovation. Hull telephone company remained in state hands until much more recently, and seems to have always been a nice little earner for the council. Whereas privatised Uk water companies have cost uk billpayers £72 billion in extracted profits while totally starving the network of investment. Thatcher justified selling it on past difficulties when it was actually a world leading company making and potentially making vast profits for the state? Kinda the exact opposite of the Norweign sovereign asset fund. |
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Post by Danny on Oct 3, 2023 6:20:38 GMT
Former head or senior director of HS1 and crossrail just interviewed on R4 and asked how he managed to come in under budget on HS1 I think it was. Also asked why he wasnt running HS2, to which he said he applied but was told he didnt have the necessary experience. Obviously it wasnt experience at building railways which the job needed.
He first put the blame on designing the line for 400KMh running, which in fact has now been cut to 360 anyway. Described it as exponentially more expensive once you start increasing speeds. Said the technology they used on HS1 was simply adopted from the French system, off the shelf.
He also then said they had the plan finalised before they started building anything, whereas HS2 has changed all the time adding extra costs. (and obviously is continuing to change. This issue of changing plans was brought up by the expert on 'more or less' for any sort of public project)
Contractor for Euston station being interviewed saying the scheme is grossly over complicated compared to French schemes. Also noted that ending at OLD Oak common is ridiculous, 'you might as well scrap the whole lot'.
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 6:22:28 GMT
This is the Editor of the Yorkshire Post
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Post by Danny on Oct 3, 2023 6:28:24 GMT
The much trumpeted ban on mobile phones (actually a regurgitated Gavin Williamson policy that was rejected because it was impractical to implement) isn't actually a ban at all In private schools, kids have been known to ring their parents to get them to complain if they dont like something. Does that work in the state system? Do state schools actually change anything if parents complain? |
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Post by Danny on Oct 3, 2023 6:34:49 GMT
Part of Rishi's problem with bringing balance to the force is that many CON MPs (+members and VI) think he brought Boris down and for some mad reason think Truss was brought down by someone other than Truss herself. Compounding Rishi's problem is that he has close to nothing 'exciting' to say and, a bit like Starmer, seems to just have wanted to become PM but without any 'ideology' or plan once he got the job. Johnson was removed as he was always certain to be once Brexit was no longer the central issue. He could have lasted a bit longer, maybe to the scheduled election, if he hadnt presided over a regime which ignored the covid rules he imposed on the rest of the country. Now I quite understand why he did that, because the rules were pointless and he was well placed to know that, but it was the look of the thing which was bad for the party. Truss was elected by members and hated by MPs from the outset. Plus had some off the wall economic ideas which bankers thought could never work. Some similarities there with Corbyn. Sunak was very much a question of who was left to take a dead end job. What can you say which is new about a failing government which has already implemented its manifesto pledges, which caused the failing! |
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Post by wb61 on Oct 3, 2023 7:04:12 GMT
Disgusting dog whistle politics from the tory Mayoral Candidate To think it is the Labour Party that has always been concerned about entryism. The Conservatives appear to have been completely taken over. I really wonder what new Conservative Parliamentary candidates who are actually selected will espouse: I thought this article by Richard Walker (Iceland Boss) on why he left the Conservatives is telling: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/01/as-a-business-leader-i-can-no-longer-support-the-tory-partyParticularly this quote: " While my views on all these issues seem to resonate with people in the real world, it was made very clear to me that they did not find favour with those at the top of the Conservative party – and that if I wanted to progress as a parliamentary candidate, I would need to adjust my principles and values." I understand why people who have been part of the Conservative tradition all their political lives would want to stay and fight for the soul of their party, I have seen that in the 1980's in Labour when those who did won and militant was expelled. I only hope that they aren't enabling the far right to emerge as a real political force in the UK. |
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 7:06:08 GMT
Seems a fair take on it
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Post by Mr Poppy on Oct 3, 2023 7:40:45 GMT
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Post by birdseye on Oct 3, 2023 7:41:57 GMT
Hi neilj , it will be interesting to see if the Tories see any bounce as a result of their conference. The image being portrayed in the media, appears to be one of internal division etc - which never goes down well with the electorate. I wouldnt expect a bounce at all. Party conferences are meetings of politics enthusiasts, love ins or hate ins for those involved. Club events in reality. Essentailly inward looking and reported on negatively by a relentlessly negative British media. I wonder how many of the great british public even know that there is a party conference going on!
A 2015 survey showed that 2/3 of british people couldnt even name the prime minister and there is a similar proportion who cannot name their MP. It seems to me that the electorate respond to the general mood, everything from comments in the supermarket and the pub to personal circumstances and finances. Since 3/4 of the pop ( standard .co.uk) see the UK as becoming a worse place to live, I cant see anything at the party conference making a difference woth bothering about.
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Post by birdseye on Oct 3, 2023 7:45:14 GMT
Trevor presents all the best people paint brush or tooth brush or basil brush or whoever the fuck this anonymous Tory enabler is features prominently in Twitter under the heading " we are Jeremy Corbyn " Colour me surprised that he doesn't like Keir Starmer, the gentleman that Starmer is seen chatting to obviously didn't get the message And yet what this "enabler" says of the Forde report and racism in Labour is pretty accurate. The problem for @trevor is that the Tory record on racism is far worse than Labour's. And the evidence for that last statement is ? |
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 7:57:40 GMT
Trevor identifies the 0.1% drop in food prices in September.
That means they are just the 9.9% higher than a year ago.
At that rate we can get down to 2022 prices by as early as 2032!
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Post by Mr Poppy on Oct 3, 2023 8:00:12 GMT
And yet what this "enabler" says of the Forde report and racism in Labour is pretty accurate. The problem for @trevor is that the Tory record on racism is far worse than Labour's. And the evidence for that last statement is ? and why would it be 'my' problem?!? If people want to state their opinion (as per many folks on the LW-twitterverse) then they are entitled to their opinion - no need to make stuff up about someone else's opinion. If folks don't like the opinion of someone on the LW-twitterverse then I provide their source so people can take up their grievance with them directly if they want to. In case it is unclear, then I have hidden the posts of a number of people for what is IMO ongoing breaches of Mark 's rules* (and/or that they have nothing interesting to say, make stuff up, don't provide sources, etc). I often scroll past a lot of others but I'm keen to draw a line under some of the nonsense and silliness from previous threads that has already started back up on this new thread. I commented on Badenoch and it seems others have noticed she might well be next CON leader (although the smart money was literally betting on her when she wasn't clear favourite)
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Post by somerjohn on Oct 3, 2023 8:05:21 GMT
birdseye: "A 2015 survey showed that 2/3 of british people couldnt even name the prime minister"To quote one birdseye, "And the evidence for that last statement is ?" Actually, a quick google reveals the source. It was: "Statistics sourced from VoucherCodesPro" ie, a voodoo poll. Reported in a totally unsceptical student newspaper article written by one Bathsheba Wells-Dion.
And you've even misrepresented that, changing the 59% reported into "2/3".
Must do better, birdseye, on a site populated by polling geeks. Especially if you're going to go around demanding evidence from others.
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Post by jib on Oct 3, 2023 8:09:14 GMT
And yet what this "enabler" says of the Forde report and racism in Labour is pretty accurate. The problem for @trevor is that the Tory record on racism is far worse than Labour's. And the evidence for that last statement is ? Just a bit of a Eton joker.  |
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 8:10:05 GMT
youtu.be/rItAD6X2lOs?si=Aceq44JRg9tNT3xUAs a lib dem have to congratulate Truss on service above and beyond the call of duty as our sleeper agent in making the tories even more of a ludicrous laughing stock. You've successfully nailed down the coffin lid now your burying it in concrete It's not long now Liz before you can come home your job is nearly over!
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 3, 2023 8:17:48 GMT
Having seen a clip of Truss walking into her fringe event, I noted that her trousers were even shorter than Sunak's. Is this a fashion trend, or a competition to signal the level of cuts to tax and benefits that the wearer advocates?
Will we, ultimately, see Gove in Bermuda shorts and Patel in Levi's Rolled Shorts, as clothing signalling becomes even more extreme? No. Come on Crofty, you must be pleased to see Truss back  |
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Post by bardin1 on Oct 3, 2023 8:17:53 GMT
Yes - that looks about right to me |
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