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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 17:03:49 GMT
"Elon Musk is in talks with Italy’s government about hosting his proposed cage fight with Mark Zuckerberg at a historic site in the country, but the Colosseum has been ruled out as a venue."
Happy to host the event in our newly purchased baby play pen.
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 17:07:46 GMT
Now it's confirmed the Home Office didn't
get the test results for the Bibbi Stockholm until two days after the first refugees arrived, some big questions arise
Who in the Home Office gave the okay?
Having asked or the tests why didn't they wait for the results?
Was there any pressure placed on them?
Is there any connection between this and the Government's small boats week PR blitz?
I suspect there is a lot more to come out
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 17:13:29 GMT
Evesham South (Wychavon) Council By-Election Result:
GRN: 45.2% (-10.8)
CON: 25.1% (-2.1)
IND: 11.6% (New)
LAB: 11.2% (New)
IND: 5.1% (New)
LDM: 1.7% (New)
No IND (-16.7) as previous
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 17:20:39 GMT
It's supposed to be the Government’s ‘stop the boats’ PR blitz this week…
* Barge now being emptied
* 750 new arrivals yesterday, total at 100k
* Many more expected with calm seas
* Border Force vessel breaks down
* £400k monitor drone crashes into sea
* Lee Anderson says policy has failed
Apart from that it's going swimmingly
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Post by bedknobsandboomstick on Aug 11, 2023 17:25:43 GMT
It's supposed to be the Government’s ‘stop the boats’ PR blitz this week… * Barge now being emptied * 750 new arrivals yesterday, total at 100k * Many more expected with calm seas * Border Force vessel breaks down * £400k monitor drone crashes into sea * Lee Anderson says policy has failed Apart from that it's going swimmingly For God's sake lets hope its not Fire Prevention Week starting on Monday. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2023 17:33:57 GMT
Although this US Supreme Court would presumably decide in Trump's favour, this is an intriguing idea -
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 17:36:36 GMT
The indigenous people of these isles appear to have been mostly wiped out by the arrival of the colonists known as the Beaker people, sometime around 2500 BCE. I'm sure there would have been some unpleasantness but what people seem to forget is that population numbers at that time were very low and while undoubtedly there was some hostility and violence they would have been assimilated largely through the prestige of the new culture in a similar way to how millions of Celtic Britons became Anglo-Saxons. It seems not. The Bronze Age wave of migrants from the Eurasian Steppe completely replaced the Neolithic builders of Stonehenge www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/ www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/february/the-beaker-people-a-new-population-for-ancient-britain.htmlwww.scientificamerican.com/article/bronze-age-ldquo-beaker-culture-rdquo-invaded-britain-ancient-genome-study-finds/" The genetic evidence, assessed at the level of the whole genome, shows a replacement of 93 per cent of the gene pool in Britain, suggesting that the arrival of the Beaker Complex correlates with a massive turnover of population during the final centuries of the third millennium BC." From :- The return of the Beaker folk? Rethinking migration and population change in British prehistory Published online by Cambridge University Press: 31 August 2021 |
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 11, 2023 18:19:25 GMT
I know pjw1961 won't like this and, like him, I'm a cricket lover too, but I'd like to offer a welcome back to the Premier League today.
It's ridiculously overhyped, and riddled with venality, but there's always something about the return of elite football that excites me. I'm hopelessly addicted to it really. The drama, intrigue and endless plot lines too. Its endless capacity to bring joy.
Football often saves football, because when you strip away the ludicrous nonsense that often surrounds it, it remains, forever, a wonderful and ever beguiling game.
So, despite it all, welcome back the daft old round ball game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 18:24:28 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 48% (+1) CON: 24% (-1) LDM: 10% (-1) GRN: 6% (+1) RFM: 6% (-1) SNP: 3% (=) Via @omnisis , 10-11 Aug. Changes w/ 3-4 Aug. Been waiting for the poll that showed a 2 to 1 advantage for Labour. |
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 18:27:14 GMT
It gets worse, the Home Office continued moving asylum seekers onto the barge even after they found out about deadly bacteria findings
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Post by moby on Aug 11, 2023 18:28:01 GMT
I know pjw1961 won't like this and, like him, I'm a cricket lover too, but I'd like to offer a welcome back to the Premier League today. It's ridiculously overhyped, and riddled with venality, but there's always something about the return of elite football that excites me. I'm hopelessly addicted to it really. The drama, intrigue and endless plot lines too. Its endless capacity to bring joy. Football often saves football, because when you strip away the ludicrous nonsense that often surrounds it, it remains, forever, a wonderful and ever beguiling game. So, despite it all, welcome back the daft old round ball game. Come on the Toffees.....no more relegation battles. Fresh start with Dyche. Here's hoping!  |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 11, 2023 18:31:36 GMT
"Elon Musk is in talks with Italy’s government about hosting his proposed cage fight with Mark Zuckerberg at a historic site in the country, but the Colosseum has been ruled out as a venue." Happy to host the event in our newly purchased baby play pen. I'd be up for Musk and Zuckerberg appearing at the Colosseum provided that lions also featured. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 11, 2023 18:34:07 GMT
I don't think a date has yet been set for the Supreme Court hearing on the legality of the Rwanda scheme but one way or another the case is almost certain to go to ECtHR with the case likely to be decided upon by the court's interpretation of: "The Court of Appeals decided sending anyone to Rwanda would constitute a breach of Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, "with which parliament has required that the government must comply".news.sky.com/story/government-given-go-ahead-to-appeal-rwanda-deportation-block-at-supreme-court-12920441Noting that: "Article 3 is a living instrument. In Selmouni v France [1999][3] the EctHR articulated this to mean that it [Article 3] "must be interpreted in the light of present-day conditions".[4]"IF but only IF the ECtHR rule that the Rwanda scheme would break Article 3 would CON HMG need to leave the ECHR and then it is almost certain that we'd 'copy+paste' the rest of the ECHR into a UKCHR, effectively giving ourselves a 'veto' to reinterpret Article 3 in UK courts with UK laws. That will require a vote in HoC and IMO I can't see how CON HMG can drag the whole process out until GE'24 - especially after the gong show this week. I very much doubt this week's incompetence was 'planned' but it will likely raise awareness even further and hence mount increasing pressure on CON HMG to get this issue resolved asap and hence IMO that needs to be before GE'24. IF the Rwanda scheme does get going then TBC if other countries copy UK (noting Denmark had a similar plan that is effectively on 'hold') The 'liberal' leaning Washington Post: "U.K. seeks to send migrants to Rwanda, an extreme plan others could copy"www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/11/uk-migration-rwanda-stop-the-boats/Lots of 'events' are pending but IMO there is a high likelihood that the ECHR is 'interpreted' to allow 3rd country schemes but the route to get to that point might well require UK to leave, others follow, then Council of Europe 'clarify' the ECHR for interpretation at the ECtHR. That whole process will likely extend past GE'24 but someone has to make the first move and that is almost certain to be UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 18:35:34 GMT
I know pjw1961 won't like this and, like him, I'm a cricket lover too, but I'd like to offer a welcome back to the Premier League today. It's ridiculously overhyped, and riddled with venality, but there's always something about the return of elite football that excites me. I'm hopelessly addicted to it really. The drama, intrigue and endless plot lines too. Its endless capacity to bring joy. Football often saves football, because when you strip away the ludicrous nonsense that often surrounds it, it remains, forever, a wonderful and ever beguiling game. So, despite it all, welcome back the daft old round ball game. Come on the Toffees.....no more relegation battles. Fresh start with Dyche. Here's hoping! How can anyone support a footy team with “toffees” as a nickname?!? Something like…..well, I dunno……say, the Gunners, just sounds much better.  (Which they are of course.) Would love to hear Sean singing by the way…would be an interesting experience. I get exhausted listening to him, goodness knows what it’s like having to talk like that. A very effective manager though. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 11, 2023 18:39:41 GMT
I know pjw1961 won't like this and, like him, I'm a cricket lover too, but I'd like to offer a welcome back to the Premier League today. It's ridiculously overhyped, and riddled with venality, but there's always something about the return of elite football that excites me. I'm hopelessly addicted to it really. The drama, intrigue and endless plot lines too. Its endless capacity to bring joy. Football often saves football, because when you strip away the ludicrous nonsense that often surrounds it, it remains, forever, a wonderful and ever beguiling game. So, despite it all, welcome back the daft old round ball game. What's the point of a competition where you know which team will win it before a ball is kicked?* I fear the "daft old round ball game" expired about 20 years ago and was replaced with a playground for sports-washing dictatorships, dodgy oligarchs and profit-maximising American billionaires. I will admit that Leicester City did prove me wrong one season. *Also applies to Scotland. |
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 18:42:04 GMT
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"How can anyone support a footy team with “toffees” as a nickname?!? Something like…..well, I dunno……say, the Gunners, just sounds much better"
But the Wolves sound better still 😀
Mind you I think the Toffees sound better than the baggies 😀
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Post by James E on Aug 11, 2023 19:02:13 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 48% (+1) CON: 24% (-1) LDM: 10% (-1) GRN: 6% (+1) RFM: 6% (-1) SNP: 3% (=) Via @omnisis , 10-11 Aug. Changes w/ 3-4 Aug. Been waiting for the poll that showed a 2 to 1 advantage for Labour. This is the first in August, Crofty, but there were 3 such polls in July -from Deltapoll, Omnesis and YouGov. In fact we've had at least one "Lab = at least 2 x Con" poll for in every month of the past twelve (the exception being April - due to the 'Windsor framework bouce'). |
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Post by mercian on Aug 11, 2023 19:44:14 GMT
mercian Are you having trouble with the concept of "secured by"? Incidentally we didn't" join"the ECHR we were one of the countries that drafted and implemented it 70 years ago. I think there is confusion because there are two things with the same initials. The European Convention on Human Rights which we did sign in the early 1950s and the European Court of Human Rights, which came later. According to Wikipedia "The Human Rights Act 1998 (c. 42) is an Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom which received royal assent on 9 November 1998, and came into force on 2 October 2000.[1] Its aim was to incorporate into UK law the rights contained in the European Convention on Human Rights. The Act makes a remedy for breach of a Convention right available in UK courts, without the need to go to the European Court of Human Rights" As I understand the issue it is that the E Court of HR can override UK courts and that is what the Tories seek to overturn. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2023 19:47:49 GMT
I know pjw1961 won't like this and, like him, I'm a cricket lover too, but I'd like to offer a welcome back to the Premier League today. It's ridiculously overhyped, and riddled with venality, but there's always something about the return of elite football that excites me. I'm hopelessly addicted to it really. The drama, intrigue and endless plot lines too. Its endless capacity to bring joy. Football often saves football, because when you strip away the ludicrous nonsense that often surrounds it, it remains, forever, a wonderful and ever beguiling game. So, despite it all, welcome back the daft old round ball game. What's the point of a competition where you know which team will win it before a ball is kicked?* I fear the "daft old round ball game" expired about 20 years ago and was replaced with a playground for sports-washing dictatorships, dodgy oligarchs and profit-maximising American billionaires. I will admit that Leicester City did prove me wrong one season. * Also applies to Scotland. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 11, 2023 19:49:03 GMT
CPI 12-month rate peaked at 11.1% last October. In June it was 7.9%. It has fallen or stayed the same in every month but one since. The real inflation rate experienced by someone is not the CPI average, but depends on what you personally spend your money on. There are big variations between segments, but we had huge rises in energy and food. Kinda what the poor buy. The rich did a lot better. Do they publish a stat for effective inflation rate vs family income? You tell me. I did some research and quoted some official figures. I'm not your gopher. Instead of making unsubstantiated claims why don't you try to find some real world stats to back them up yourself. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 11, 2023 20:15:57 GMT
As there doesn't seem to be an anecdote sub-thread I'll post this here but try to keep it brief. You may have seen in the news that a famous Black Country attraction - The Crooked House pub - has burnt down and then been demolished. I know someone who is selling bricks for £10 plus £2.50 if they have smoke marks, plus £5 if they're still warm! 🤣👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 20:18:44 GMT
Crofty "How can anyone support a footy team with “toffees” as a nickname?!? Something like…..well, I dunno……say, the Gunners, just sounds much better" But the Wolves sound better still 😀 Mind you I think the Toffees sound better than the baggies 😀 Could make a mildly amusing list of matches between teams with matching nicknames I suppose: Bees v Shamrock Rovers, Wolves v the Foxes, Eagles v Magpies, Mariners v Shrimps, Aston Villa v Aston Martin……and so on. However, I’m bored with the idea already….. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 11, 2023 20:29:43 GMT
mercian Are you having trouble with the concept of "secured by"? Incidentally we didn't" join"the ECHR we were one of the countries that drafted and implemented it 70 years ago. I think there is confusion because there are two things with the same initials. The European Convention on Human Rights which we did sign in the early 1950s and the European Court of Human Rights, which came later. According to Wikipedia "The Human Rights Act 1998 (c. 42) is an Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom which received royal assent on 9 November 1998, and came into force on 2 October 2000.[1] Its aim was to incorporate into UK law the rights contained in the European Convention on Human Rights. The Act makes a remedy for breach of a Convention right available in UK courts, without the need to go to the European Court of Human Rights" As I understand the issue it is that the E Court of HR can override UK courts and that is what the Tories seek to overturn. Pedantry alert but see my earlier post: ""The Court of Appeals decided sending anyone to Rwanda would constitute a breach of Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, "with which parliament has required that the government must comply"."Your dates are correct and hence why folks state ECtHR when they mean 'Court' and ECHR when they mean 'Convention'. It will likely all lead to the same 'conclusion' but exactly how it pans out is TBC of course. The pedantic bit is whether we actually need to leave* the ECHR or can just state that UK law takes supremacy (which will mean repeal (rewrite) of The Human Rights Act 1998 by writing our mostly 'copy+paste' version of ECHR just with a veto on the bits the 'do bad' immigration lawyers are using to maintain their gravy train of criminal gangs providing them with clients). * Which could be voluntary or 'kicked out' on the basis that we've decided to ignore a ECtHR ruling (assuming ECtHR rule against UK HMG). My guess is the 'kicked out' bit could well drag past GE'24 and I wouldn't like to speculate the outcome of a vote in the Council of Europe. Quite a few countries will be very keen for UK's Rwanda scheme to be deemed 'legal' and IMO it is fairly pedantic to say that some of the EU schemes don't break Article 3 of the ECHR as most of the people the EU countries deport back to Tunisia/Libya are not Tunisian or Libyan. There is a valid case to be made for speeding the whole process up and 'voluntarily' leaving ECHR but that would be tricky to get passed in HoC. First up is the UK Supreme Court decision and I don't think a date has even been set for that yet. Ironically Supreme Court stating Rwanda Scheme does break Article 3 of ECHR might well speed things up as it avoids the 'do bad' immigration lawyers dragging it out longer via the ECtHR. |
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Post by Mark on Aug 11, 2023 20:37:53 GMT
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 11, 2023 20:46:02 GMT
The real inflation rate experienced by someone is not the CPI average, but depends on what you personally spend your money on. There are big variations between segments, but we had huge rises in energy and food. Kinda what the poor buy. The rich did a lot better. Do they publish a stat for effective inflation rate vs family income? You tell me. I did some research and quoted some official figures. I'm not your gopher. Instead of making unsubstantiated claims why don't you try to find some real world stats to back them up yourself. I posted some links a while ago covering 'behavioural change' that shows that actual 'cost of living' inflation is lower than ONS measure of inflation. ONS don't update their basket of goods that frequently but consumers can and do respond to price changes much faster. Scroll down in below link to: "CPI and Consumer Behavior" for an 'exaggerated for the purpose of illustration' example of how big a difference a 'fixed' versus 'variable'* basket of goods can make. www.investopedia.com/articles/07/consumerpriceindex.aspInflation/Cost of Living does vary by person/household depending on each person/households specific spending patterns (eg if you own your house outright then you aren't effected by any rise in mortgage costs or rent**; if you don't consume much lecky/gas/oil then you weren't that effected by the rise in energy costs; etc). I'm not a gopher either but that info is easy to find assuming folks know how to use google and enter relevant search terms - but it will obviously be 'aggregated' data and subject to the flaws of ignoring higher frequency 'consumer behaviour' changes if it uses ONS data. * IE one that is more dynamic and responsive as it "takes into account changes in consumer purchasing preferences"
** Someone who was renting but returns to parents home would probably see a significant rise in their net disposable income (ie effectively see -ve inflation). Not sure there is data on the increase in 'boomerangs' (as they are known) but someone can look that up via google if they want to. Just stating that as an example of 'behavioural change'. |
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Post by moby on Aug 11, 2023 23:30:42 GMT
Come on the Toffees.....no more relegation battles. Fresh start with Dyche. Here's hoping! How can anyone support a footy team with “toffees” as a nickname?!? Something like…..well, I dunno……say, the Gunners, just sounds much better. (Which they are of course.) Would love to hear Sean singing by the way…would be an interesting experience. I get exhausted listening to him, goodness knows what it’s like having to talk like that. A very effective manager though. A tradition of many years standing:- www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/everton-toffee-ladyDyche eats worms for breakfast:- youtu.be/8L3VGraYPLMFact is he has to be better than Frank Lampard, someone who clearly gained managerial roles based on his playing reputation rather than on anything he's done as a manager. Good luck to Arteta, also not a bad toffee in his time. We should never have sold you Alan Ball though, even though he cost you a then record fee of £220,000, that move broke up the holy trinity. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 11, 2023 23:50:47 GMT
I know pjw1961 won't like this and, like him, I'm a cricket lover too, but I'd like to offer a welcome back to the Premier League today. It's ridiculously overhyped, and riddled with venality, but there's always something about the return of elite football that excites me. I'm hopelessly addicted to it really. The drama, intrigue and endless plot lines too. Its endless capacity to bring joy. Football often saves football, because when you strip away the ludicrous nonsense that often surrounds it, it remains, forever, a wonderful and ever beguiling game. So, despite it all, welcome back the daft old round ball game. * I fear the "daft old round ball game" expired about 20 years ago and was replaced with a playground for sports-washing dictatorships, dodgy oligarchs and profit-maximising American billionaires. I will admit that Leicester City did prove me wrong one season. *Also applies to Scotland. Well, if Man City do succeed in achieving the four-fer, it will be the first time since the foundation of the Football League. In contrast, in Germany Bayern Munich have won 11-in-a-row up to and including this year (2022-23 season), while most recently in Scotland Celtic won 9 in a row up to 2020. The Premier League is the most open of all the top leagues (perhaps because it attracts multiple owners with deep pockets). |
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Post by Danny on Aug 12, 2023 8:13:49 GMT
Given Greens exist for the Far-Left, "let everyone in", woke, degrowth types and RUK exist for people at the opposite end of the spectrum then I'm not sure where the 'gap' is but worth looking into the x-breaks. Not sure why you are associating greens with the far left. I dont know their manifesto, but in general there will be plenty of right wing people who are very pro environment. Sounds obvious to me, classic tories would be pro trees. So maybe instead you just identified a gap, because the current conservative party are most certainly not environmentalists. Maybe even Sunak and co have started thinking their policies on green issues are alienating some classic tories. Need to get on board the idea that wind turbines are pro environment, and yet they have banned them. |
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Post by Danny on Aug 12, 2023 8:22:19 GMT
@danny “ well that explains it. The 'illegal' ones they want to send to rwanda, but the legal ones are more difficult so they are hoping the will die from legionairs disease. ” That is a ridiculous and really ugly thing to post. It was intended half as a jest, but I am surprised how people take such things so seriously. Are people here so thin skinned they dont understand satire? Is that even possible for people who have a deep understanding of politics? I kinda thought you had a showbiz sort of background, and I can imagine plenty of comics saying such a thing. For that matter, plenty of doctors. In all honesty I think the government would be delighted if the lot of them died. They don't care a knats whisker what might happen to them after arriving in Rwanda. Do you seriously think its an acceptable place to send someone? Do you seriously think they care at all, if half of them drowned crossing the Channel...because it would discourage any more coming? Honestly, I do not believe they would care. |
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Post by steve on Aug 12, 2023 8:23:27 GMT
Can't we've moved
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