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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 7:10:13 GMT
Lee Anderson helping Labour write their next press release...Nice of him
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 11, 2023 7:10:19 GMT
bardin1 From the guardian "Ukrainian forces have recaptured the heights over Bakhmut and are successfully encircling Russian troops in the city, a defence minister in Kyiv has said." Ah right. I'm afraid that's not as optimistic as it sounds. This picture shows the current situation, which has been more or less static for the last week (at least in terms of claims of movement) so the 'encirclement' is really pressure, particularly from the south, over the lines of supply.  |
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 7:42:39 GMT
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 7:49:53 GMT
Some of the best out takes from the bumper book of Lee Anderson's brain farts.
Volume 1
Bring back the death penalty
In an interview with the right-leaning Spectator shortly before his appointment, Anderson proudly proclaimed that the UK should bring back the death penalty because “nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed”.
“You know that don’t you? 100 per cent success rate,” he’s reported to have added.
The death penalty was removed across the UK in the mid-1960s and the comments are at odds with the government line and his own comments when on the campaign trail in 2019.
He also gave his views on small boats of refugees coming to the UK — something Sunak has promised to put an end to — by saying he would send them straight back “on a Royal Navy frigate or whatever”. The Spectator did not add whether Anderson had costed the plans, whether they applied to anyone who arrived by small boat or just those who went on to fail the asylum process, or what kind of agreement between the Royal Navy and French officials would make such a policy possible.
“They are seeing a country where the streets are paved with gold,” he is quoted as saying, “where, once you land, they are not in that manky little fucking scruffy tent.”
Feed your family for 30p
Food bank use has become a regular feature of the cost of living crisis, as soaring inflation and runaway energy bills force millions on low incomes to choose between eating and heating.
Anderson, however, insisted in May 2022 that the reason most people are going to food banks is because they don’t know how to cook.
“You’ve got generation after generation who cannot cook properly. They can’t cook a meal from scratch. They cannot budget,” he said in parliament, the place where Anderson of course receives hugely state subsidised food.
Research at the time showed 2.4 million people had recently gone a day without food and the logic of the proposals evaporated once it made contact with reality, as frontline workers and food banks were swift to point out.
For one, food banks largely provide the raw materials for cooking, including vegetable oil, pasta, and canned goods. But even then cooking might not always be possible for those on the breadline.
Diary of a food bank manager: ‘MPs’ comments do not relate in any way to what we see’
The Liverpool City Region mayor Steve Rotheram said at the time: “Hard to cook a meal from scratch when you’ve got nothing to cook with and can’t afford to turn the oven or the hob on because energy bills are through the roof and you’ve got to worry about keeping your kids warm and clothed.”
And as The Big Issue reported at the time: “Anderson’s claims that a meal can be made from scratch for 30p a day are based off cooking in bulk for a family of five for a week – which not everyone has the facilities for, or can afford to do. The calculation also does not include rising energy costs.”
argument, Anderson doubled down on his fantasy meals claims in early 2023.
“Just been asked for proof of a 30p breakfast. There you go,” Anderson tweeted alongside a stock picture of wheat biscuits in milk. “6p each, just chuck on 10p worth of milk,” he added in a follow up.
Among the many thousands of replies were people pointing out that Anderson was again failing to understand the realities of the cost of living crisis. One person tweeted succinctly: “If you drink 10p worth of milk for breakfast every day then after about six days you’ll have to throw the other £1 worth of milk away.”
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 11, 2023 8:01:47 GMT
Oi!!!! Your shift hasn’t begun yet - go back to 🛌 bed.  🤣 I notice you haven't answered the question about payment for my guided tour services. The last barge trip I went on (maybe 50 years ago) involved strippers and a load of beer. High Culture. The operators believed that the canal counted as international waters because it went into the Black Country from Birmingham and so wasn't subject to licencing laws. You'll be glad to know that, by special request, we still run canal trips that include strip shows and copious amounts of beer. The Wasthills Tunnel part of the trip, when we plunge into darkness, can be interesting. By the time we emerge into the light, there is sometimes evidence that audience participation has occurred. This is generally frowned upon but it's a rule that is sometimes difficult to enforce on the tunnel-riddled canal route. If anyone is interested in such a trip, please apply to "The Naked Helmsman Cruises, Droitwich Marina, The Saltway, Hanbury, Worcs" Mention the codeword "crossbat11" for a group discount. EDIT - to reassure those who have concerns about such matters, I can confirm that the The Naked Helmsman Cruises are crewed entirely by indigenous people, descended from the Hwiccians, an Anglo-Saxon tribe who populated the area then known as Hwicca. Wychavon and Droitwich are current place names, to mention but two, that are derived from those halcyon days when immigration was more tightly controlled. There is a village called Wick, very near Pershore. The term "he gets on my wick" hails from this village where the inhabitants have always had a reputation for causing irritation to both each other and the occasional visitor. They are irascible characters to this very day and I advise any would be visitors to give the place a wide berth. They will not be welcomed. |
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 8:13:06 GMT
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Post by John Chanin on Aug 11, 2023 8:34:08 GMT
The Angles and Saxons arrived in these islands illegally in small boats. 30p Lee will demand they fuck off back to Frisia while Braverman will want them forcibly renditioned to the Bachwezi Empire. Coming over here and becoming indigenous the absolute bastards. They were invited (initially at least). The indigenous people of these isles appear to have been mostly wiped out by the arrival of the colonists known as the Beaker people, sometime around 2500 BCE. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 11, 2023 8:47:45 GMT
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Post by graham on Aug 11, 2023 9:33:51 GMT
I doubt it will mean much at all re- the Parliamentary election. I don't expect the Greens to win any seats in Bristol - Ditto Norwich!
Given that in Bristol they have councillors in nearly half of the wards, it feels like unless the new boundaries are really unlucky for them they ought to be in with a shot somewhere? (I joined the earlier scepticism about Bristol West specifically, because it just seems beyond the realm to be suggesting a seat Labour won by such utterly massive majorities in 2017 and 2019 could be under threat now when Labour's polling has gone up since 2019 and there's almost nothing left for the Greens to squeeze from any other party. But if the Bristol seats are being radically redrawn then the recent council elections may not be any worse a guide than the notional GE figures that will be quoted) Very unlikely. People much more readily vote Green - and LD - at Local Elections but that support is rarely transferred to a Parliamentary Election - though a by election could be different. People vote in a different way and turnout is much higher. I recall all the Green hype here in Norwich a few years ago when they convinced themselves on the basis of Local and EU elections that they were going to win Norwich South. They still believed that on Polling Day in 2010 - yet they came 4th! |
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Post by graham on Aug 11, 2023 9:38:43 GMT
Some of the best out takes from the bumper book of Lee Anderson's brain farts. Volume 1 Bring back the death penalty In an interview with the right-leaning Spectator shortly before his appointment, Anderson proudly proclaimed that the UK should bring back the death penalty because “nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed”. “You know that don’t you? 100 per cent success rate,” he’s reported to have added. The death penalty was removed across the UK in the mid-1960s and the comments are at odds with the government line and his own comments when on the campaign trail in 2019. He also gave his views on small boats of refugees coming to the UK — something Sunak has promised to put an end to — by saying he would send them straight back “on a Royal Navy frigate or whatever”. The Spectator did not add whether Anderson had costed the plans, whether they applied to anyone who arrived by small boat or just those who went on to fail the asylum process, or what kind of agreement between the Royal Navy and French officials would make such a policy possible. “They are seeing a country where the streets are paved with gold,” he is quoted as saying, “where, once you land, they are not in that manky little fucking scruffy tent.” Feed your family for 30p Food bank use has become a regular feature of the cost of living crisis, as soaring inflation and runaway energy bills force millions on low incomes to choose between eating and heating. Anderson, however, insisted in May 2022 that the reason most people are going to food banks is because they don’t know how to cook. “You’ve got generation after generation who cannot cook properly. They can’t cook a meal from scratch. They cannot budget,” he said in parliament, the place where Anderson of course receives hugely state subsidised food. Research at the time showed 2.4 million people had recently gone a day without food and the logic of the proposals evaporated once it made contact with reality, as frontline workers and food banks were swift to point out. For one, food banks largely provide the raw materials for cooking, including vegetable oil, pasta, and canned goods. But even then cooking might not always be possible for those on the breadline. Diary of a food bank manager: ‘MPs’ comments do not relate in any way to what we see’ The Liverpool City Region mayor Steve Rotheram said at the time: “Hard to cook a meal from scratch when you’ve got nothing to cook with and can’t afford to turn the oven or the hob on because energy bills are through the roof and you’ve got to worry about keeping your kids warm and clothed.” And as The Big Issue reported at the time: “Anderson’s claims that a meal can be made from scratch for 30p a day are based off cooking in bulk for a family of five for a week – which not everyone has the facilities for, or can afford to do. The calculation also does not include rising energy costs.” argument, Anderson doubled down on his fantasy meals claims in early 2023. “Just been asked for proof of a 30p breakfast. There you go,” Anderson tweeted alongside a stock picture of wheat biscuits in milk. “6p each, just chuck on 10p worth of milk,” he added in a follow up. Among the many thousands of replies were people pointing out that Anderson was again failing to understand the realities of the cost of living crisis. One person tweeted succinctly: “If you drink 10p worth of milk for breakfast every day then after about six days you’ll have to throw the other £1 worth of milk away.” The guy is an utter scumbag. Entirely reasonable to label him as evil. |
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 10:01:56 GMT
Interesting comment on James O'Brien show. Remove London GDP from the UK economy and the country is poorer than Mississippi,the poorest state, including London and it would still only rank 40th. Less than 20 years ago the U.K. GDP was bigger than China's.  |
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Post by domjg on Aug 11, 2023 10:03:43 GMT
They were invited (initially at least). The indigenous people of these isles appear to have been mostly wiped out by the arrival of the colonists known as the Beaker people, sometime around 2500 BCE. I'm sure there would have been some unpleasantness but what people seem to forget is that population numbers at that time were very low and while undoubtedly there was some hostility and violence they would have been assimilated largely through the prestige of the new culture in a similar way to how millions of Celtic Britons became Anglo-Saxons. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 11, 2023 10:05:30 GMT
Interesting comment on James O'Brien show. Remove London GDP from the UK economy and the country is poorer than Mississippi,the poorest state, including London and it would still only rank 40th. Less than 20 years ago the U.K. GDP was bigger than China's. View Attachment"Less than 20 years ago the U.K. GDP was bigger than China's" - In fairness that says a lot more about China than it does about the UK though yes, very much the sick man of Europe once more largely through the act of leaving it.. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 11, 2023 10:13:42 GMT
🤣 I notice you haven't answered the question about payment for my guided tour services. The last barge trip I went on (maybe 50 years ago) involved strippers and a load of beer. High Culture. The operators believed that the canal counted as international waters because it went into the Black Country from Birmingham and so wasn't subject to licencing laws. You'll be glad to know that, by special request, we still run canal trips that include strip shows and copious amounts of beer. The Wasthills Tunnel part of the trip, when we plunge into darkness, can be interesting. By the time we emerge into the light, there is sometimes evidence that audience participation has occurred. This is generally frowned upon but it's a rule that is sometimes difficult to enforce on the tunnel-riddled canal route. If anyone is interested in such a trip, please apply to "The Naked Helmsman Cruises, Droitwich Marina, The Saltway, Hanbury, Worcs" Mention the codeword "crossbat11" for a group discount. EDIT - to reassure those who have concerns about such matters, I can confirm that the The Naked Helmsman Cruises are crewed entirely by indigenous people, descended from the Hwiccians, an Anglo-Saxon tribe who populated the area then known as Hwicca. Wychavon and Droitwich are current place names, to mention but two, that are derived from those halcyon days when immigration was more tightly controlled. There is a village called Wick, very near Pershore. The term "he gets on my wick" hails from this village where the inhabitants have always had a reputation for causing irritation to both each other and the occasional visitor. They are irascible characters to this very day and I advise any would be visitors to give the place a wide berth. They will not be welcomed. Can I make a donation towards your excellent cruises on the provision that you take @trevor along and have a week-long boat breakdown in the middle of one of the tunnels out of reach of either mobile or wi-fi signals.  |
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They were invited (initially at least). The indigenous people of these isles appear to have been mostly wiped out by the arrival of the colonists known as the Beaker people, sometime around 2500 BCE. They also helped develop England into a major export country with their inventions of “beakers”. Before then everybody drank from their hands and spilled most of it. |
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 11, 2023 10:30:10 GMT
Interesting comment on James O'Brien show. Remove London GDP from the UK economy and the country is poorer than Mississippi,the poorest state, including London and it would still only rank 40th. Less than 20 years ago the U.K. GDP was bigger than China's. View AttachmentThat is a good graphic illustration of the problem with the Barnet formula. London is the focal point for British earnings and therefore the regions appear to be 'hangers on' or taking hand outs. In fact of course it is just a centralisation effect as the vast majority of higher earners and business operate out of London |
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 11, 2023 10:31:01 GMT
The indigenous people of these isles appear to have been mostly wiped out by the arrival of the colonists known as the Beaker people, sometime around 2500 BCE. They also helped develop England into a major export country with their inventions of “beakers”. Before then everybody drank from their hands and spilled most of it. Followed of course by the pintoflager people |
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Post by kay9 on Aug 11, 2023 10:40:58 GMT
@john chanin
Mention of “export” and “pintoflager” made me think back to my younger days:
McEwan’s Export was made in Scotland. So how come my Dad was drinking it IN Scotland?
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 11:09:45 GMT
Human embodiment of a daily mail headline Nick Ferrari in a bit of a tizzy over mass shoplifting incidents in Oxford Street.
It's a disgrace gurgled Nick , never happened before said Nick, London's turned into a festering sore on the face of brexitania with its power crazed anti car far left muslemite mayor ( ok I made the last one up).
Really ?Check back in the early 1980's before London mayors and with the wicked witch of the North in charge it was routine around central London on trains buses and shops for large gangs of youths to commit thefts and robberies often involving the threat of violence they were known as steaming gangs. There was rarely a Saturday over the school summer holidays when there wasn't at least one such incident in or around Oxford street.
I know I worked and lived there as a young police officer.
But in common with many of the gammonarti Ferrari's historical perspective has been totally subsumed by his preconceptions.
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 11, 2023 11:20:30 GMT
@john chanin Mention of “export” and “pintoflager” made me think back to my younger days: McEwan’s Export was made in Scotland. So how come my Dad was drinking it IN Scotland? Export beers were made in Britain for exporting to the colonies. Naturally we used to drink it in Scotland. I expect the Welsh and Northern Irish had their own varieties Seriously, I think it was just made in Scotland primarily for export (like Johnnie Walker whisky) but available locally and caught on as the main drink (alongside Tennant's Lager). It was the only beer on tap in many pubs in the 70s - only a few holfding on to the McEwens 70/- and 80/- varieties. We used to drink the McEwen's '80 bob', still served to this day in the Diggers pub outside Tynecastle  |
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2023 11:50:23 GMT
It surprises me how quickly many people fall into line with official messaging on many health issues, despite the numerous examples of when these have been disastrously wrong. Most of us, for example, will be too young to remember the swathe of adverts showing real doctors extolling the virtues of cigarettes as a way to stay healthy and avoid infections. And yet you still believe those people who said lockdowns were vital to save us all from dying from covid? Despite the evidence to the contrary from people who ignored this advice. A cynic would say, just look at the huge sums the medical industry made from covid! (age for getting a covid vaccination on the NHS just raised to 65) |
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Post by alec on Aug 11, 2023 11:58:36 GMT
Danny - "And yet you still believe those people who said lockdowns were vital to save us all from dying from covid?" Sick and tired of you lying about what I've said. Two major lies in that one sentence. I'll accept an apology and retraction if you like. Otherwise, I'll just call you a trolling twat and carry on ignoring you.
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 12:01:39 GMT
Breaking news from the regime clown show. Days after asylum seekers were ordered on to the barge despite safety issues, it's everybody off as legionella bacteria found on board.I And it gets worse safety checks were carried out on the prison barge in July but the asylum seekers were forced aboard before the results were returned.  |
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 12:11:20 GMT
Breaking news from the regime clown show. Days after asylum seekers were ordered on to the barge despite safety issues, it's everybody off as legionaires bacteria found on board. View AttachmentReports it was found in the water, large tanks of water have been a source of outbreaks at other times It's worrying as we were told all safely checks were carried out and it was safe to live on. If they didn't even carry basic safety checks on water it makes you think how independent were the fire safety checks |
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2023 12:14:11 GMT
The indigenous people of these isles appear to have been mostly wiped out by the arrival of the colonists known as the Beaker people, sometime around 2500 BCE. They also helped develop England into a major export country with their inventions of “beakers”. Before then everybody drank from their hands and spilled most of it. Wondering about this I had a look at a page from the natural history museum. Based upon DNA evidence they suggest the new style beakers for which these are named were arguably simply a fashion accesory. Across europe the DNA didnt much change but the cultural artefacts did. The exception however was Britain. One particular group who used the beaker technology and ideas had been migrating from the eurasian stepps acroos europe, and kept on going into Britain. In Britain as evidenced from burials, the local DNA was largely replaced by incomers. Looking up exactly where these stepps are the answer is, "Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, western Russia, Siberia, Kazakhstan, Xinjiang, Mongolia and Manchuria" So immigration awfully like today. www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/february/the-beaker-people-a-new-population-for-ancient-britain.html |
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2023 12:19:41 GMT
Danny - "And yet you still believe those people who said lockdowns were vital to save us all from dying from covid?" Sick and tired of you lying about what I've said. Two major lies in that one sentence. I'll accept an apology and retraction if you like. Otherwise, I'll just call you a trolling twat and carry on ignoring you. So you DO NOT believe lockdowns were vital to save lives? Or you no longer believe it, or you never did believe it? Or are you quibbling about the proportion, if so could you say for the record how many you understood were said to be at risk of dying, how many you did believe were at risk, and how many you now believe were at risk? I'm happy to get this exactly right for future reference. I seem to remember though our principle dispute was your arguing that people were still dying from covid even after the vaccination campaigns completed, and my observing that therefore you surely cannot believe the vaccination programs worked? Because if they did then there could not be any reason now to still be worrying about covid infections? Risk from covid increases steadily with age, with those dying overwhelmingly coming from groups who were already ill one way or another, even if just by being very old and generally debilitated by age. Had we done nothing whatsoever then the statistics demonstrate very few additional young peple would have died (and thats certainly below 50, arguably below pension age. Especially if we also allow properly for all the identified risk factors.) Thw whole issue was really about keeping the old alive. Most of those were safe as well of course, though its never nice to have a nasty infection like this. However, the way to minimise deaths was to pevent spread to such people. The strategy chosen was to lock down the nation. However, there is a good case to be made that if instead we had encouraged the young to catch it fast, then immunity amongst them would have halted community spread quickly and thereby prevented it reaching more of the old than what we actually did, which resulted in the outbreaks dragging out for months.
Where in the UK the disease was allowed to progress at its own pace in early infected areas of new waves, the outcomes were no worse than in areas which later had lockdowns. Hastings had covid winter 19/20 but no one really noticed anything out of the ordinary for a winter wave of illness. This strongly suggests letting it run faster actually naturally protected the old, who dont get out much, and I noticed the problem of loneliness amongst the old was in the news again recently. But which of course would protect them from such diseases.
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 12:20:10 GMT
Good news for jib if he's still about as Crayola expand into the children's video businesses.  |
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2023 12:21:40 GMT
Breaking news from the regime clown show. Days after asylum seekers were ordered on to the barge despite safety issues, it's everybody off as legionella bacteria found on board.I Do we take it then, they arrived already equipped with these for the puposes of whittling down numbers onboard? |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 11, 2023 12:24:06 GMT
Anyway, if you don't want to read the article, here's a quick rundown. Go to France/Germany/Italy/(whereever takes your fancy) for 89 nights - which counts as a 90 day stay, perfectly fine. Then come back and spend another 90 days in UK. Repeat. Other alternatives are possible, but essentially you live half of the time in Schengen and half of the time in UK. If you want. To be honest I'm quite looking forward to spending most of the next year back in the UK now my current work role is coming to an end.
By the way thanks to c-a-r-f-r-e-w for remembering me when talking about Roger Waters. I try to ignore him when I can, as a person, but it doesn't spoil the enjoyment of the music. Also plenty of other things to listen to, currently, rather belatedly, getting into Porcupine Tree. No probs, OS. (Don’t blame you for ignoring me!) Have you heard Roger’s rework of Dark Side? Haven’t heard it myself yet, bit worried as he apparently talks over some of the instrumental bits… |
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 12:31:04 GMT
Unbelievable, they did test the water, but moved people on the boat before waiting for the results The question is was the speed of moving people onto the boat as a result of political pressure? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66476538The BBC understands that routine testing was done before migrants moved on to the vessel, moored in Dorset. But test results showing traces of the bacteria came back only after migrants had moved to the barge. |
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