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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 12:31:47 GMT
Danny - "And yet you still believe those people who said lockdowns were vital to save us all from dying from covid?" ………………………….Otherwise, I'll just………………………………………. carry on ignoring you. Just starting would be good.  |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 11, 2023 12:32:30 GMT
Oh, there is no intention to employ you Pete, that was just a ploy to attract paying customers who might (understandably) be fearful of an evening in Droitwich without an armed escort. Oddly, we have no customers at all, paying or otherwise. I'm concerned that if I came on a trip, the two day discussion between Crossbat11 and I as to whether England should have selected a slow-left arm bowler in the 1982/3 England tour party to Australia might possibly be found boring by others. Not by everyone! |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 11, 2023 12:37:06 GMT
There has to be some sort of control, particularly on illegal economic migrants. The obvious answer is that Thatcher ended state provision of homes, and the private sector has no interest whatsoever in providing cheap housing. They need shortage and maximum return on minium built structure, and that is what successive con/lab/con have given them. Its a national scandal. Yep, posted on the old board about Shelter indicating how the private sector build at a rate to maximise returns, rather than building more properties which would lower the sale price. Not often a great idea to leave essentials to the market. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 11, 2023 13:25:09 GMT
I recommend this article on the comparison between Brexit and Prohibition in the USA by Ben Ansell on Substack (his posts are free to read) benansell.substack.com/p/brexits-21st-amendmentNotably, it was FDR announcing at the Democrat nominating convention that he would campaign for repeal that was the big momentum-changer (and this despite his wife Eleanor being an active 'dry'). One has to think, what would it take for Starmer to come out in favour of rejoin. Perhaps two years of "trying to make Brexit work", like Blair and Brown sticking to Tory spending pledges for two years from 1997. |
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 13:30:44 GMT
leftieliberal Wouldn't the abject failure of the last two years trying to make Brexit work be sufficient to show that that particular clown car never will work. It reminds me of my mother, when we could no longer afford her private very sheltered housing it was evident that she needed a move to a residential home. The local authority assessed her needs and agreed then promptly sent her to sheltered housing again, because believe it or not they needed to see it fail for themselves. Of course it did and two weeks later she was in hospital and not discharged until a residential home placement was available. By which time her dementia had deteriorated to such an extent that she needed a nursing home instead. Do we really need Starmer to prove that Brexit doesn't work and the cure isn't making it "better." It's getting rid of it as unfit for purpose. 
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 13:58:22 GMT
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 11, 2023 13:58:27 GMT
Small boats week has been a complete disaster for Rishi-CON and the 'failure' to tackle the issue is likely to see it shift further to the Right. RUK are upping the ante and as stated previously will quite likely become a defacto single issue party into GE'24...
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Post by domjg on Aug 11, 2023 13:59:47 GMT
I recommend this article on the comparison between Brexit and Prohibition in the USA by Ben Ansell on Substack (his posts are free to read) benansell.substack.com/p/brexits-21st-amendmentNotably, it was FDR announcing at the Democrat nominating convention that he would campaign for repeal that was the big momentum-changer (and this despite his wife Eleanor being an active 'dry'). One has to think, what would it take for Starmer to come out in favour of rejoin. Perhaps two years of "trying to make Brexit work", like Blair and Brown sticking to Tory spending pledges for two years from 1997. very interesting and educational read, thank you. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 11, 2023 14:00:17 GMT
From "Private Eye", hitting the mark as usual  |
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 14:09:27 GMT
ReFuk " Be like Belarus " " Vladimir tells it like it is" Traitorous sock puppets.  |
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 14:20:00 GMT
The phrase that springs to mind when I think about this Government is that they couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 14:23:37 GMT
Just a reminder of some of the rights the Tories want to ditch because of something to do with boats or brown people or maybe it's brown boats who the fuck knows but it's definitely sovereignty on and blue passports.
Reminder. Some of the rights and freedoms secured by the European Convention on Human Rights include:
- the right to life (Article 2)
- freedom from torture (Article 3)
- freedom from slavery (Article 4)
- the right to liberty (Article 5)
- the right to a fair trial (Article 6)
- the right not to be punished for something that wasn’t against the law at the time (Article 7)
- the right to respect for family and private life (Article 8)
- freedom of thought, conscience and religion (Article 9)
- freedom of expression (Article 10)
- freedom of assembly (Article 11)
- the right to marry and start a family (Article 12)
- the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights (Article 14)
- the right to protection of property (Protocol 1, Article 1)
- the right to education (Protocol 1, Article 2)
- the right to participate in free elections (Protocol 1, Article 3)
- the abolition of the death penalty (Protocol 13)
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 14:28:53 GMT
Breaking news The asylum seekers on HMS health hazard are still on board  |
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 14:35:56 GMT
Interesting polling, quite positive I think,in view of the large quantity of anti trans messaging
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Post by barbara on Aug 11, 2023 14:43:37 GMT
The phrase that springs to mind when I think about this Government is that they couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery That's just the icing on the cake. Imagine how absolutely awful things would be if they were efficient at delivering their selfish, inhumane, self seeking, vote chasing, cruel policies! |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2023 14:55:14 GMT
Interesting polling, quite positive I think |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2023 14:56:41 GMT
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Post by mercian on Aug 11, 2023 15:09:10 GMT
It might have had some small effect on current inflation caused by the Ukraine war but most countries have seen inflation. It's already coming down anyway. What, 20% inflation s coming down to 5-10% so we should all be happy?
CPI 12-month rate peaked at 11.1% last October. In June it was 7.9%. It has fallen or stayed the same in every month but one since. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2023 15:14:06 GMT
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Post by mercian on Aug 11, 2023 15:31:51 GMT
Just a reminder of some of the rights the Tories want to ditch because of something to do with boats or brown people or maybe it's brown boats who the fuck knows but it's definitely sovereignty on and blue passports. Reminder. Some of the rights and freedoms secured by the European Convention on Human Rights include: - the right to life (Article 2) - freedom from torture (Article 3) - freedom from slavery (Article 4) - the right to liberty (Article 5) - the right to a fair trial (Article 6) - the right not to be punished for something that wasn’t against the law at the time (Article 7) - the right to respect for family and private life (Article 8) - freedom of thought, conscience and religion (Article 9) - freedom of expression (Article 10) - freedom of assembly (Article 11) - the right to marry and start a family (Article 12) - the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights (Article 14) - the right to protection of property (Protocol 1, Article 1) - the right to education (Protocol 1, Article 2) - the right to participate in free elections (Protocol 1, Article 3) - the abolition of the death penalty (Protocol 13) Of course we never had any of those before we joined the ECHR 🤣 |
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2023 15:36:58 GMT
mercian Are you having trouble with the concept of "secured by"? Incidentally we didn't" join"the ECHR we were one of the countries that drafted and implemented it 70 years ago.
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Post by domjg on Aug 11, 2023 15:53:42 GMT
Just a reminder of some of the rights the Tories want to ditch because of something to do with boats or brown people or maybe it's brown boats who the fuck knows but it's definitely sovereignty on and blue passports. Reminder. Some of the rights and freedoms secured by the European Convention on Human Rights include: - the right to life (Article 2) - freedom from torture (Article 3) - freedom from slavery (Article 4) - the right to liberty (Article 5) - the right to a fair trial (Article 6) - the right not to be punished for something that wasn’t against the law at the time (Article 7) - the right to respect for family and private life (Article 8) - freedom of thought, conscience and religion (Article 9) - freedom of expression (Article 10) - freedom of assembly (Article 11) - the right to marry and start a family (Article 12) - the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights (Article 14) - the right to protection of property (Protocol 1, Article 1) - the right to education (Protocol 1, Article 2) - the right to participate in free elections (Protocol 1, Article 3) - the abolition of the death penalty (Protocol 13) Of course we never had any of those before we joined the ECHR 🤣 actually someone else who knows can correct me but in most cases I suspect not, not codified in any case, just good old British exceptionalist 'we can trust ourselves to behave, we're not German for God's sake' attitude. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 11, 2023 15:58:56 GMT
Just a reminder of some of the rights the Tories want to ditch because of something to do with boats or brown people or maybe it's brown boats who the fuck knows but it's definitely sovereignty on and blue passports. Reminder. Some of the rights and freedoms secured by the European Convention on Human Rights include: - the right to life (Article 2) - freedom from torture (Article 3) - freedom from slavery (Article 4) - the right to liberty (Article 5) - the right to a fair trial (Article 6) - the right not to be punished for something that wasn’t against the law at the time (Article 7) - the right to respect for family and private life (Article 8) - freedom of thought, conscience and religion (Article 9) - freedom of expression (Article 10) - freedom of assembly (Article 11) - the right to marry and start a family (Article 12) - the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights (Article 14) - the right to protection of property (Protocol 1, Article 1) - the right to education (Protocol 1, Article 2) - the right to participate in free elections (Protocol 1, Article 3) - the abolition of the death penalty (Protocol 13) Of course we never had any of those before we joined the ECHR 🤣 and IF/when we leave ECHR which will only happen after* ECtHR rulings force us and after an HoC vote (which might not pass) then we're not going to suddenly start hanging people, etc. Whilst it is a right then arguably some people have voluntarily given up the ability of thought. I can't see how CON can kick that can until GE'24. The only +ve from 'Small Boats Week' has been to show that CON have to get this properly sorted. Opinion polling shows it's an important issue for CON/likely CON voters and other polling shows folks think CON are doing a bad job of sorting it. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 11, 2023 16:01:23 GMT
Also from R&W with the huge caveat of 'hypothetical polling' and wording then..
Given Greens exist for the Far-Left, "let everyone in", woke, degrowth types and RUK exist for people at the opposite end of the spectrum then I'm not sure where the 'gap' is but worth looking into the x-breaks.
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2023 16:33:06 GMT
well that explains it. The 'illegal' ones they want to send to rwanda, but the legal ones are more difficult so they are hoping the will die from legionairs disease. |
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2023 16:34:55 GMT
CPI 12-month rate peaked at 11.1% last October. In June it was 7.9%. It has fallen or stayed the same in every month but one since. The real inflation rate experienced by someone is not the CPI average, but depends on what you personally spend your money on. There are big variations between segments, but we had huge rises in energy and food. Kinda what the poor buy. The rich did a lot better. Do they publish a stat for effective inflation rate vs family income? |
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2023 16:36:08 GMT
News seemed to say she only aquired them shortly before becoming the minister. I wondered where they came from? Present from an admirer? |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2023 16:46:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 16:56:47 GMT
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“ well that explains it. The 'illegal' ones they want to send to rwanda, but the legal ones are more difficult so they are hoping the will die from legionairs disease. ”
That is a ridiculous and really ugly thing to post.
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Post by neilj on Aug 11, 2023 17:01:43 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 24% (-1)
LDM: 10% (-1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
RFM: 6% (-1)
SNP: 3% (=)
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