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Post by Mark on Feb 7, 2022 18:08:53 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention
Labour 42% (+2)
Conservative 32% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 9% (-2)
Green 6% (–)
Scottish National Party 4% (–)
Reform UK 4% (+1)
Other 3% (+1)
Changes +/- 31 Jan
Via @redfield & Wilton
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Post by ladyvalerie on Feb 7, 2022 18:17:52 GMT
First 😀
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 18:18:34 GMT
That's more in line with what I would have expected after last week's events.
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Post by superted on Feb 7, 2022 18:28:21 GMT
Latest Westminster voting intention (1-2 Feb)
Lab: 41% (+3 from 26-27 Jan)
Con: 32% (n/c)
Lib Dem: 10% (-1)
Green: 6% (-1)
SNP: 5% (n/c)
Reform UK: 4% (+1)
YouGov (@yougov)
Edited to remove scripting/html code - Mark
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 18:29:59 GMT
Last 7 R&W Scots crossbreak average (change from end Dec in brackets)
SNP 41% (-1) : SCon 23% (-3) : SLab 21% (+2) : SLD 6% (-2) : SGP 4% (+1) : REFUK 2% (nc)
Last 7 YG Scots crossbreak average (change from end Dec in brackets)
SNP 50% (+5) : SCon 20% (-2) : SLab 17% (-1) : SLD 6% (nc) : SGP 3% (-2) : REFUK 1% (-1)
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 18:36:42 GMT
That's more in line with what I would have expected after last week's events. @isa , well we will have to wait for a few more polls to see if the Saville Slur etc has had any impact (which I doubt). The trend has been pointing to a 7-9% ish lead for Labour so this could be a slight outlier (the Scottish sample seems to have a higher than normal Labour VI and lower SNP). |
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Post by neilj on Feb 7, 2022 18:43:38 GMT
This is the result of stirring up hatred with fake news
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 18:44:18 GMT
That's more in line with what I would have expected after last week's events. @isa , well we will have to wait for a few more polls to see if the Saville Slur etc has had any impact (which I doubt). The trend has been pointing to a 7-9% ish lead for Labour so this could be a slight outlier (the Scottish sample seems to have a higher than normal Labour VI and lower SNP).
The effect of weighting (at least to a reasonable degree) to Scots patterns by YG is very obvious compared to R&W who appear to adopt no such methodology. |
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Post by neilj on Feb 7, 2022 18:45:44 GMT
Good to see decent tories calling this out
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 18:49:49 GMT
Doleman is a court reporter and recognises many of these rent a mob types
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 18:55:05 GMT
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Post by hireton on Feb 7, 2022 18:58:27 GMT
It looks like Johnson's "fightback" has not gained any traction with voters which won't help the mood on his backbenches.
Johnson's Savile slur against Starmer seems to be having it's desired effect:
Johnson will come under pressure on this.
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Post by barbara on Feb 7, 2022 19:07:39 GMT
This is the result of stirring up hatred with fake news This is straight out of the Trump playbook. Playing to your cult following with incendiary remarks, designed to harm your opponent. Perhaps not physically but once you unleash this sort of stuff you lose control of it. If this doesn't make those self serving Tory MPs act then we are heading down the US Trump road. |
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Post by graham on Feb 7, 2022 19:32:27 GMT
I cannot see this incident being at all helpful to Johnson. Any sense that he is opening the door to Trump-style tactics here will likely accelerate the flow of letters to Graham Brady.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 19:38:30 GMT
I cannot see this incident being at all helpful to Johnson. Any sense that he is opening the door to Trump-style tactics here will likely accelerate the flow of letters to Graham Brady. , due to recent history, I don't put much faith in Tory MPs to do the right thing. It’s much more likely that they as a group the will go along with it if it brings power. There will be notable exceptions obviously, but as it was with the Republicans, they will most likely prove to be in the minority. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 19:39:05 GMT
Latest Westminster voting intention (1-2 Feb) Lab: 41% (+3 from 26-27 Jan) Con: 32% (n/c) Lib Dem: 10% (-1) Green: 6% (-1) SNP: 5% (n/c) Reform UK: 4% (+1) YouGov (@yougov) Edited to remove scripting/html code - Mark Has this just been released? Judging by the field work, not exactly hot off the press. |
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Post by graham on Feb 7, 2022 19:42:20 GMT
I cannot see this incident being at all helpful to Johnson. Any sense that he is opening the door to Trump-style tactics here will likely accelerate the flow of letters to Graham Brady. , due to recent history, I don't put much faith in Tory MPs to do the right thing. It’s much more likely that they as a group the will go along with it if it brings power. There will be notable exceptions obviously, but as it was with the Republicans, they will most likely prove to be in the minority. I don't disagree really - though it might speed up the reaching of the threshold of 54 letters needed for a VONC. There is every prospect though that Johnson would survive that. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 7, 2022 19:46:50 GMT
Will Johnson now ask the Proud Boys to Stand Back and Stand By?
Now that would be real leadership.
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 19:52:34 GMT
I cannot see this incident being at all helpful to Johnson. Any sense that he is opening the door to Trump-style tactics here will likely accelerate the flow of letters to Graham Brady. , due to recent history, I don't put much faith in Tory MPs to do the right thing. It’s much more likely that they as a group the will go along with it if it brings power. There will be notable exceptions obviously, but as it was with the Republicans, they will most likely prove to be in the minority.
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 7, 2022 19:53:41 GMT
Streeting is becoming a more impressive Labour front bench performer by the day. Here he is in the Commons a bit earlier speaking about the gargantuan NHS waiting lists: -
"This isn’t a Covid backlog, this is a Tory backlog. We went into the pandemic with NHS waiting lists already at a record four and a half million and now 6 million people are waiting on NHS waiting lists, more than ever before. More than a million are waiting for scans and tests used to diagnose cancer and the NHS itself is waiting, waiting for the government’s plan to deal with the backlog."
Now, Wes v Javid does indeed look an interesting Commons match-up.
Wes did indeed sin against Jezza the Messiah, but is he now redeeming himself, I wonder?
Looking at my avatar photo lined up against my post, it does look as if The Great Man is reading them. Let me know what you think Harold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 19:59:23 GMT
That's more in line with what I would have expected after last week's events. @isa , well we will have to wait for a few more polls to see if the Saville Slur etc has had any impact (which I doubt). The trend has been pointing to a 7-9% ish lead for Labour so this could be a slight outlier (the Scottish sample seems to have a higher than normal Labour VI and lower SNP). Hi ll (if I may be so familiar). Sound counsel on your part, of course. I have a feeling the 'Savile slur' effect might start to get a little traction after this evening's reports, especially if the PM continues to stonewall (which I think remains quite likely). |
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Post by hireton on Feb 7, 2022 20:00:04 GMT
Guto Hari fails his first major test:
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Post by graham on Feb 7, 2022 20:05:26 GMT
Re- Jimmy Saville. I am unclear as to his political leanings. I believe he was knighted by Thatcher but also clearly recall that he was a prominent supporter of Jeremy Thorpe and the Liberals at the February 1974 election.
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Post by mercian on Feb 7, 2022 20:11:13 GMT
Streeting is becoming a more impressive Labour front bench performer by the day. Here he is in the Commons a bit earlier speaking about the gargantuan NHS waiting lists: - "This isn’t a Covid backlog, this is a Tory backlog. We went into the pandemic with NHS waiting lists already at a record four and a half million and now 6 million people are waiting on NHS waiting lists, more than ever before. More than a million are waiting for scans and tests used to diagnose cancer and the NHS itself is waiting, waiting for the government’s plan to deal with the backlog."Now, Wes v Javid does indeed look an interesting Commons match-up. Wes did indeed sin against Jezza the Messiah, but is he now redeeming himself, I wonder? Looking at my avatar photo lined up against my post, it does look as if The Great Man is reading them. Let me know what you think Harold. I've been quite impressed by Streeting on the few times I've seen him. By the way, NHS waiting lists are (anecdotally) much bigger than the official figures. When I worked there (admittedly some years ago) I had to go round various departments to see what training requirements they had. One lot (podiatry I think), said they had a big backlog of cases so didn't have time for training. I had a look on the computer system, and there was a fairly small waiting list so I asked why they had a problem. The podiatrist pointed to a big pile of folders. "What are they?" I asked. "They're waiting to go on the waiting list" she replied. I'm not saying that was typical, but I wouldn't be surprised. Also, I went to the GP about 6 months ago about a lump which he said needed surgery. He said that though he did minor surgery he'd never done one like that before so I asked to be referred to the hospital. He said he couldn't because no clinics were available. So though I am waiting, I'm not on the waiting list. I'll probably give the GP a nudge sometime. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 7, 2022 20:11:18 GMT
Re- Jimmy Saville. I am unclear as to his political leanings. I believe he was knighted by Thatcher but also clearly recall that he was a prominent supporter of Jeremy Thorpe and the Liberals at the February 1974 election. Probably irrelevant anyway, Graham, I think. He clung to power and influence wherever he could locate it and I don't think he ever publicly expressed any political views that I can remember. I think his friendship with Thatcher was, bizarrely, on a personal level, no more than that. He manipulated the friendship of course, like he manipulated everything and everyone, and Thatcher fell for the Uncle Jim persona hook line and sinker, a bit like Prince Charles did. Fair play to Princess Di though. She called him out straight away for the evil creep he was. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 7, 2022 20:13:25 GMT
Streeting is becoming a more impressive Labour front bench performer by the day. Here he is in the Commons a bit earlier speaking about the gargantuan NHS waiting lists: - "This isn’t a Covid backlog, this is a Tory backlog. We went into the pandemic with NHS waiting lists already at a record four and a half million and now 6 million people are waiting on NHS waiting lists, more than ever before. More than a million are waiting for scans and tests used to diagnose cancer and the NHS itself is waiting, waiting for the government’s plan to deal with the backlog."Now, Wes v Javid does indeed look an interesting Commons match-up. Wes did indeed sin against Jezza the Messiah, but is he now redeeming himself, I wonder? Looking at my avatar photo lined up against my post, it does look as if The Great Man is reading them. Let me know what you think Harold. Read his pipe smoke. |
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Post by graham on Feb 7, 2022 20:14:06 GMT
Re- Jimmy Saville. I am unclear as to his political leanings. I believe he was knighted by Thatcher but also clearly recall that he was a prominent supporter of Jeremy Thorpe and the Liberals at the February 1974 election. Probably irrelevant anyway, Graham, I think. He clung to power and influence wherever he could locate it and I don't think he ever publicly expressed any political views that I can remember. I think his friendship with Thatcher was, bizarrely, on a personal level, no more than that. He manipulated the friendship of course, like he manipulated everything and everyone, and Thatcher fell for the Uncle Jim persona hook line and sinker, a bit like Prince Charles did. Fair play to Princess Di though. She called him out straight away for the evil creep he was. I was unaware that Princess Diana had done that. Good to hear. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 20:20:36 GMT
Probably irrelevant anyway, Graham, I think. He clung to power and influence wherever he could locate it and I don't think he ever publicly expressed any political views that I can remember. I think his friendship with Thatcher was, bizarrely, on a personal level, no more than that. He manipulated the friendship of course, like he manipulated everything and everyone, and Thatcher fell for the Uncle Jim persona hook line and sinker, a bit like Prince Charles did. Fair play to Princess Di though. She called him out straight away for the evil creep he was. I was unaware that Princess Diana had done that. Good to hear. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 7, 2022 20:21:51 GMT
graham"I was unaware that Princess Diana had done that. Good to hear." She didn't say anything publicly but I read something about her recently and that peculiar episode when Prince Charles invited Saville to act as some sort of marriage counsellor for them. She wouldn't have anything to do with it, apparently, and told everyone within the Royal Family that she couldn't stand Saville. Some classic female intuition at play, I guess.
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Post by Mark on Feb 7, 2022 20:43:20 GMT
Thought the bit from John Lydon was interesting - increased my respect for him (Lydon) and diminished it further for the BBC. I can't help wonder if Lydon actually knew something, or if it was a guess (even a partially informed guess) that happened to be accurate. I say that as light entertainment/family entertainment presenters (amongst others) were considered fair game for punks. |
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