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Post by steve on Feb 8, 2022 8:55:12 GMT
Kirstie Allsop has graced us with her views that the snowflake generation just need to make a few adjustments in their life styles to be able to afford to buy a property as she did at age 21.
Cancel Netflix £70p.a.✓
Cancel Gym membership £250 p.a.✓
No daily cup of coffee £650 p.a.✓
Be born daughter of Charles Allsopp, 6th Baron Hindlip. 🏰 that'll do nicely dad!
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 8, 2022 9:03:37 GMT
How can you lot talk about Saville and yet ignore Mark Francois? Everybody knows what he did... , well I know what he was accused of, but as is so often the case in such instances it was dropped as the Met concluded there was insufficient evidence to proceed further with the investigation. |
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Post by ladyvalerie on Feb 8, 2022 9:09:42 GMT
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 8, 2022 9:10:27 GMT
How can you lot talk about Saville and yet ignore Mark Francois? Everybody knows what he did... People 'knowing' what anyone has allegedly done is not the same as somebody having actually done it. There are too many rabbit holes these days. |
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Post by steve on Feb 8, 2022 9:34:23 GMT
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Post by eotw on Feb 8, 2022 9:44:36 GMT
Kirstie Allsop has graced us with her views that the snowflake generation just need to make a few adjustments in their life styles to be able to afford to buy a property as she did at age 21. Cancel Netflix £70p.a.✓ Cancel Gym membership £250 p.a.✓ No daily cup of coffee £650 p.a.✓ Be born daughter of Charles Allsopp, 6th Baron Hindlip. 🏰 that'll do nicely dad! My kids all use my Netflix account, so no saving there. |
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Post by steve on Feb 8, 2022 9:45:29 GMT
sda
As I pointed out earlier the allegations against Francois were investigated and no case to answer was found.
What we know is , politics aside, he did nothing wrong, what people might think without the requirements of evidence may be something else.
Watching the antivax conspiracy theory nutters abusing Starmer and I struck me that his response was pretty much textbook.
Can you imagine Spaffer in similar circumstances.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 8, 2022 10:26:33 GMT
Kirstie Allsop has graced us with her views that the snowflake generation just need to make a few adjustments in their life styles to be able to afford to buy a property as she did at age 21. Cancel Netflix £70p.a.✓ Cancel Gym membership £250 p.a.✓ No daily cup of coffee £650 p.a.✓ Be born daughter of Charles Allsopp, 6th Baron Hindlip. 🏰 that'll do nicely dad! My kids all use my Netflix account, so no saving there. Mmmm I don't subscribe to: Sky £300 pa Netflix £70 pa Gym £250 pa and make my own coffee costing £7.50 pa, saving £642.50 pa Given up alcohol on 5 days a week, saving £500 pa Given up a weekly pork pie, saving £50 pa Given up biscuits, saving £75 pa I'm feeling righteous, saving £1,887.50 a year. I haven't given up my LD membership, yet. Profligate at £12 pa. |
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Post by oldnat on Feb 8, 2022 10:32:06 GMT
When a scandal, involving a party/leader breaks, there is a natural tendency for opponents of Party X /Leader X to seize on it and say "This'll finish them for ever", (we all do it from time to time).
I'm inclined to agree with guymcc 's [1] comment last night that it's the "drip, drip" effect. Each successive scandal creates a temporary flurry, and the details are forgotten as the media circus moves on, but the stain caused by the drips becomes wider and deeper.
[1] Welcome btw. Sorry I hadn't spotted your previous posts
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 10:37:44 GMT
RIP Bamber Gascoigne, of University Challenge renown. A great name (literally - I thought it sounded really cool) from way back when.
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Post by moby on Feb 8, 2022 10:43:54 GMT
A tory councillor in Enfield
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Post by ladyvalerie on Feb 8, 2022 10:44:06 GMT
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Post by graham on Feb 8, 2022 10:46:58 GMT
RIP Bamber Gascoigne, of University Challenge renown. A great name (literally - I thought it sounded really cool) from way back when. That is sad news . Difficult to think of him as having been 87 years old. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Feb 8, 2022 10:52:50 GMT
My kids all use my Netflix account, so no saving there. Mmmm I don't subscribe to: Sky £300 pa Netflix £70 pa Gym £250 pa and make my own coffee costing £7.50 pa, saving £642.50 pa Given up alcohol on 5 days a week, saving £500 pa Given up a weekly pork pie, saving £50 pa Given up biscuits, saving £75 pa I'm feeling righteous, saving £1,887.50 a year. I haven't given up my LD membership, yet. Profligate at £12 pa. As you're saving so much money, how about giving some of it to your local party; knowing the shoestrings that most local parties run on, I'm sure that they would appreciate your pork pie and biscuit savings. I give £120/year by standing order to my local party (rather more than I pay in party membership), because I trust them to use it more responsibly than I trust the Federal party to. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 8, 2022 11:41:47 GMT
Mmmm I don't subscribe to: Sky £300 pa Netflix £70 pa Gym £250 pa and make my own coffee costing £7.50 pa, saving £642.50 pa Given up alcohol on 5 days a week, saving £500 pa Given up a weekly pork pie, saving £50 pa Given up biscuits, saving £75 pa I'm feeling righteous, saving £1,887.50 a year. I haven't given up my LD membership, yet. Profligate at £12 pa. As you're saving so much money, how about giving some of it to your local party; knowing the shoestrings that most local parties run on, I'm sure that they would appreciate your pork pie and biscuit savings. I give £120/year by standing order to my local party (rather more than I pay in party membership), because I trust them to use it more responsibly than I trust the Federal party to. In actuality I've never had a Sky, Netflix or gym membership and I very, very rarely go in a coffee shop, so I'm not really saving that expenditure (£1,262.50). The other £625.50 I am saving from my typical past spending. And thanks for the reminder Leftie, I'm still registered with the Newcastle under Lyme constituency party and we moved house 18 months ago into the Stone & Stafford group area. |
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Post by catfuzz on Feb 8, 2022 11:53:38 GMT
Kirstie Allsop has graced us with her views that the snowflake generation just need to make a few adjustments in their life styles to be able to afford to buy a property as she did at age 21. Cancel Netflix £70p.a.✓ Cancel Gym membership £250 p.a.✓ No daily cup of coffee £650 p.a.✓ Be born daughter of Charles Allsopp, 6th Baron Hindlip. 🏰 that'll do nicely dad! My kids all use my Netflix account, so no saving there. What are you saying! Cancel that Netflix subscription and you can then help them buy a house with that extra £5.99 a month.  |
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Post by hireton on Feb 8, 2022 11:55:10 GMT
Reports that Johnson is about to undertake a Ministerial mini-eshuffle.
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Post by jimjam on Feb 8, 2022 12:00:30 GMT
Hireton - new Chief whip and probably some stuff around Barclay's role.
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Post by Mark on Feb 8, 2022 12:04:28 GMT
Cancel Netflix £70p.a. - Don't have Netflix or any other TV subscription.
Cancel Gym membership £250 p.a.- Don't have gym membership
No daily cup of coffee £650 p.a. - I need 2 coffees in the morning before I'm fully alert, but, make them with a kettle - and a jar bought from the supermarket.
I do meet friends for coffee in an actual coffee shop fairly regularly, even so, my annual coffee bill is around £100pa.
I think Kirstie Allsop needs to examine her maths. By maths I mean attitude.
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 8, 2022 12:12:22 GMT
After the recent events particularly, but probably a feeling that has germinated ever since Johnson became Tory Leader and PM, I would like to say one very heartfelt thing. Both my parents were lifelong Conservatives and active within the party. I loved them dearly and, because of that, I had a lingering affection for, and familiarity with, their model of Toryism. It seemed utterly benign to me, a sort of social activity more than any overt political activism. You could say it was misguided in parts maybe, but it was a noble and valid political tradition nonetheless. It sort of came with a certain social status in those days too. A badge of the middle classes, maybe a right of entry too. They were enormously relaxed about Labour as well. They admired many Labour politicians and while they always complained about Labour Governments, there wasn't a trace of animosity or acrimony. They were quite amused by my wandering off left field as a teenager and proud too of some the political things that I did. If you got my Dad in a certain generous mood, which was often, he'd tell you how much he admired Wilson and the great Labour figures from that era. He liked Blair too, as did my Mum. Restricting freedoms to demonstrate, intimidating the BBC,, suppressing votes, lying in the Commons, espousing far right campaigns, gross governmental incompetence, corruption, brazen lack of integrity. These things would have shocked them to the core. An anathema even, to their sense of moderate, centrist conservatism. To who they were as people.
Even though I've always battled with the Tory Party in many an election, usually unsuccessfully too, I've never felt more alienated and disgusted by them than I do know. That's a first for me. I'm close to detesting what I'm seeing from them now. What they're doing to our democracy and country. I've never wanted them out of office so much in all my life. And here's the irony; I think my parents would too.
In fact, I know they would.
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Post by neilj on Feb 8, 2022 12:16:18 GMT
The speaker is not happy
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Post by alec on Feb 8, 2022 12:18:22 GMT
This stuff works, which is why he does it.
I just wish we could forget everything about the Saville comment, what it did and din't inspire, and asks ministers only about why Johnson lies, and nothing else.
You're playing his game.
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Post by hireton on Feb 8, 2022 12:22:53 GMT
Hireton - new Chief whip and probably some stuff around Barclay's role. And there were rumours that Rees Mogg would go as well. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 8, 2022 12:50:31 GMT
If we can't have a GE, I'd love to see a new PM come in and put some of the estranged Con ex-MPs into the Lords and build a Cabinet that includes some of them. A pipedream, but Rory Stewart, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke etc would make a massive difference.
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Post by leftieliberal on Feb 8, 2022 13:25:07 GMT
If we can't have a GE, I'd love to see a new PM come in and put some of the estranged Con ex-MPs into the Lords and build a Cabinet that includes some of them. A pipedream, but Rory Stewart, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke etc would make a massive difference. You could make a good Cabinet just from those kicked out by Johnson. I would even be willing to see Theresa May back; she could not be as bad a Home Secretary as Priti Patel, of whom it could be said that she made Michael Howard look like a liberal Home Secretary (unfortunately, so did some of his Labour successors). Just like Labour, the Tories went for the wrong Johnson brother.  |
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Post by hireton on Feb 8, 2022 13:33:45 GMT
Rees Mogg moved from Leader of the House to become Brexit Opportunities Minister still within the Cabinet.
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Post by mandolinist on Feb 8, 2022 13:36:21 GMT
Rees Mogg moved from Leader of the House to become Brexit Opportunities Minister still within the Cabinet. Well, that's an empty promise and a non-job if I ever saw one. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 8, 2022 13:43:35 GMT
Hireton - new Chief whip and probably some stuff around Barclay's role. And there were rumours that Rees Mogg would go as well. I've always felt that putting Rees Mogg in as leader of the HofC was a bit like sticking a 'V' sign at 99% of the population. Now he's been given the Ministry of Haystacks, with the mission to find the needle. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 8, 2022 13:49:10 GMT
Rees Mogg moved from Leader of the House to become Brexit Opportunities Minister still within the Cabinet. Apparently he will now be an official Cabinet Member rather than just a Cabinet attendee. It begs the question as to what is the difference? I mean, if you are an attendee, rather than a member, do you have to keep schtum and play Tetris on your phone whilst the bog boys and girls speak? Maybe if you want to make a point you have to put your hand up to Sir. |
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Post by hireton on Feb 8, 2022 13:50:08 GMT
Chief Whip mark Spencer becomes Leader of the House and Chris Heaton-Harris takes over as Chief Whip having a served a full 51 days as Minister for Europe.
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