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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 15:12:14 GMT
Well said - the most appalling, gratuitous insults a I’ve ever read here…  Yes, in the UKPR lexicon of name-calling and insults, I'd say "very teenager" was amongst the mildest and most inoffensive I've seen. I suppose offence is in the eye of the beholder and depends very much on the identity of the insulter and the recipient of the insult. I quite like “very teenager”. Life was great then. |
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Post by thylacine on May 28, 2024 15:14:37 GMT
What on earth is Laura Kuennsberg going to ask every Labour politician now?? Thoughts and prayers for her and Dan Hodges at this difficult time Tis my belief this is the quote of the day 😂 |
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Post by patrickbrian on May 28, 2024 15:16:00 GMT
Where are these polls by the way?
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Post by thylacine on May 28, 2024 15:19:39 GMT
Well said - the most appalling, gratuitous insults a I’ve ever read here… Yes, in the UKPR lexicon of name-calling and insults, I'd say "very teenager" was amongst the mildest and most inoffensive I've seen. I suppose offence is in the eye of the beholder and depends very much on the identity of the insulter and the recipient of the insult. P.S. For example, Colin rather approved of nickp's description of me as a cunt for having the temerity to question his (nickp's) views on Ben Stokes' momentous decision to declare early in an Ashes Test Match last summer. You obviously haven't met my teenagers! |
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Post by thylacine on May 28, 2024 15:21:27 GMT
Well said - the most appalling, gratuitous insults a I’ve ever read here… Yes, in the UKPR lexicon of name-calling and insults, I'd say "very teenager" was amongst the mildest and most inoffensive I've seen. I suppose offence is in the eye of the beholder and depends very much on the identity of the insulter and the recipient of the insult. P.S. For example, Colin rather approved of nickp's description of me as a cunt for having the temerity to question his (nickp's) views on Ben Stokes' momentous decision to declare early in an Ashes Test Match last summer. Ah yes ,dear Colin. How we do miss him! |
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Post by oldnat on May 28, 2024 15:22:43 GMT
This is serious now, these next five weeks and the decision to be taken on July 4th. Is it? What will meaningfully change on July 5th?
Loved the comment of another visitor who wryly observed that the destruction was probably due to a new leader who came in with promises of the good things to come - if only people embraced his slogan of "Change" - but bugger all real change actually happened.
[1] For those of you who may have visited the area, and climbed Dunadd - it's worth a revisit to Kilmartin and the Monument Trail. |
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Post by domjg on May 28, 2024 15:22:57 GMT
Well said - the most appalling, gratuitous insults I’ve ever read here… So, you accept that the conversation degenerated and not by me. Thanks Crofty. My apologies, though actually there's nothing wrong with being a teenager! I do tend to get very frustrated I'm afraid with those whose 'structural change' wish list seems to be more important than getting rid of the most execrable, damaging government we've ever had. |
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Post by richardstamper on May 28, 2024 15:26:00 GMT
So, police drop Angela Rayner investigation. What a disgraceful waste of time and money. What on earth is Laura Kuennsberg going to ask every Labour politician now?? "Are you now, or have you ever been, an associate of Jeremy Corbyn?" |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 28, 2024 15:31:26 GMT
Police to take no further action over Angela Rayner allegations – UK politics live. What will the daily mail put on pages 1-8 now! - the interesting part of the police statement was: "Matters involving council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing. GMP has liaised with Stockport council and information about our investigation has been shared with them. Details of our investigation have also been shared with His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC)." But that was always true and the electoral law aspect was time-barred even if true. As a retired copper any idea why Greater Manchester Police deployed (according to reports) 12 detectives to investigate something that was not a policing matter? P.s. "HM Revenue and Customs also looked into Angela Rayner’s tax arrangements relating to the sale of her first home, at her request, and it is understood that no further action is being taken." |
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Post by neilj on May 28, 2024 15:35:34 GMT
Survation
NEW: First Westminster voting intention from the campaign period.
23 point Labour lead, highest since November 2022.
LAB 47 (-1)
CON 24 (-3)
LD 11 (+3)
GRN 3 (+1)
RFM 8 (-)
SNP 3 (-)
OTH 4 (-)
F/w 24th - 27th May. Changes vs. 22nd May 2024
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Post by pjw1961 on May 28, 2024 15:40:19 GMT
Survation NEW: First Westminster voting intention from the campaign period. 23 point Labour lead, highest since November 2022. LAB 47 (-1) CON 24 (-3) LD 11 (+3) GRN 3 (+1) RFM 8 (-) SNP 3 (-) OTH 4 (-) F/w 24th - 27th May. Changes vs. 22nd May 2024 Steve will be happy with that. |
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Post by James E on May 28, 2024 15:59:05 GMT
Survation NEW: First Westminster voting intention from the campaign period. 23 point Labour lead, highest since November 2022. LAB 47 (-1) CON 24 (-3) LD 11 (+3) GRN 3 (+1) RFM 8 (-) SNP 3 (-) OTH 4 (-) F/w 24th - 27th May. Changes vs. 22nd May 2024 The previous Survation showed an unusually high Lab VI. Compared to Survation's average in 8 polls so far in 2024, this is: LAB 47 (+2.2) CON 24 (-2.4) LD 11 (+1) GRN 3 (-1) RFM 8 (-) SNP 3 (-) By this measure, the 7 polls we have had since the election announcement show an overall increased lead of 2.5% on average - that is, when compared to the various pollsters' pre-election averages from the start of the year. |
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Post by chrisc on May 28, 2024 15:59:15 GMT
Ok, maybe I was wrong, or exaggerating, about the education bit. They are all horny-handed sons and daughters of toil. I genuinely hope I'm wrong but as they've already reneged on so much it's hard to believe. I suppose we will see soon enough. You were wrong. Truth matters in discourse. And of course they are not ALL sons and daughters of toil. Some of course are, as are even the occasional Tory. However, most politicians I have met in my career genuinely did it as a matter of public service, if acting a bit on the arrogant side (but then who am I to judge?). However, I do feel there has been a step change with the current government in terms of probity and personal rationale for doing the job. How much of this is a Johnson phenomenon (rotting from the top) or a genuine step change in the Tory party I guess we’ll see soon enough. I hope the former but fear the latter. |
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Post by nickpoole on May 28, 2024 15:59:53 GMT
Well said - the most appalling, gratuitous insults a I’ve ever read here… Yes, in the UKPR lexicon of name-calling and insults, I'd say "very teenager" was amongst the mildest and most inoffensive I've seen. I suppose offence is in the eye of the beholder and depends very much on the identity of the insulter and the recipient of the insult. P.S. For example, Colin rather approved of nickp's description of me as a cunt for having the temerity to question his (nickp's) views on Ben Stokes' momentous decision to declare early in an Ashes Test Match last summer. Extraordinary misrepresentation of your extraordinary rudeness at the time. Like Steve you belittle patronise or just insult and react like wounded little babies when someone reacts by telling you to shut up or calls you a cunt Colin hardly approved of me just pointed out that you were breathtakingly rude and can hardly have been surprised |
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Post by jen on May 28, 2024 16:00:24 GMT
Fascinating what one can read here...
I concede, I have no great hope for a Labour government...
BUT
if we can end economic incompetence, blatant corruption and pointless and distasteful culture wars... it's a start isn't it?
And, no, I will not be voting Labour, where I live, a vote for Labour is a vote for fascism. It is a vote for a Labour party that supports Conservative corruption (a purely local phenomena).
Nevertheless, I urge every voter, if they love their country, to vote so as to destroy Tory representation. Of course, vote tactically. Conservative members of the electorate, who are important, and their voices need to be heard, deserve better representation. Something pragmatic, responsible, and... conservative... like they USED TO BE. Something new might be able to emerge if this party of serial liars and total corruption are TOTALLY DESTROYED.
(and to the poster, I can't remember who it was, who complained about me using capitals... it seems you are fine with racists, misogynists, homophobes and transphobes, not a fucking peep about them, but I am rude for using upper case? You know what? WHY DON'T YOU FUCK OFF, OFF THE FUCKING PLANET?! And I get, yeah, you are a probably an old person, and racism was acceptable in your day as long as it was polite, but times have changed. Demographics dear boy, demographics...)
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Post by neilj on May 28, 2024 16:01:04 GMT
Redfield Wilton
12,000 Sample.
Labour leads by 23%.
Westminster Voting Intention (25-27 May):
Labour 46% (+1)
Conservative 23% (–)
Reform UK 13% (+1)
Lib Dem 9% (-1)
Green 5% (–)
SNP 3% (+1)
Other 3% (+2)
Changes +/- 19 May
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Post by chrisc on May 28, 2024 16:06:18 GMT
Survation NEW: First Westminster voting intention from the campaign period. 23 point Labour lead, highest since November 2022. LAB 47 (-1) CON 24 (-3) LD 11 (+3) GRN 3 (+1) RFM 8 (-) SNP 3 (-) OTH 4 (-) F/w 24th - 27th May. Changes vs. 22nd May 2024 Steve will be happy with that. It’s the paddle board effect ! |
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Post by barbara on May 28, 2024 16:08:36 GMT
Silly thing to say. On the day, nothing. Over the next months and years then I expect substantial change to occur. I'm saying this 'alternative' government is very little of an alternative. There will be no great sea change. The thatcherite 'consensus' won't be rolled back. Inequality will continue to rise. Nobody will be brought to justice for the numerous corrupt excesses. None of the structural issues with our society will be tackled. We're being offered slightly less cruel, slightly less corrupt and slightly less incompetent technocratic management by the same class of privately educated career politicians working for the same capital interests as now. D:Ream's new song "things probably won't get much better" isn't likely to be a hit. That's a whole lot of assumptions. You simply don't know any of that. For what it's worth I expect that over the first term, significant improvements in child and family support, the NHS, education, equality, fairness and a crackdown on fraud and corruption will happen and that's just for starters. BUT THEY HAVE TO GET ELECTED FIRST! Otherwise absolutely nothing happens. And they won't get elected unless they can appeal to a wider group of people than you and me. I want transformational change too but I understand that that will only happen once the majority of voters put them in power and it will happen slowly at first. If you think they will be the same as the Tories then go and vote for the Tories. |
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Post by steve on May 28, 2024 16:12:44 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 47% (-1)
CON: 24% (-3)
LDM: 11% (+3)
RFM: 8% (=)
GRN: 3% (+1)
SNP: 3% (=)
Via
@survation
, 24-27 May.
Changes w/ 21-22 May.
Yummy
And this was before Ed repeatedly threw himself in a lake.
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Post by neilj on May 28, 2024 16:14:41 GMT
Redfield Wilton undecided voters, this isn't good news for the tories. They needed them to lean overwhelmingly towards the tories
Undecided Voters
Which way do undecided voters (11% of the sample, when weighted by likelihood to vote) say they lean closest towards voting? (25-27 May)
20% Conservative
19% Labour
9% Lib Dem
9% Reform
5% Green
12% Others
27% lean closest towards NOT voting than to voting
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Post by neilj on May 28, 2024 16:15:47 GMT
More from Redfield Wilton
Largest EVER lead for Starmer over Sunak.
Lowest % EVER to pick Sunak.
At this moment, which of the following do Britons think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (25-27 May)
Keir Starmer 45% (+1)
Rishi Sunak 26% (-4)
Changes +/- 19 May
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Post by steve on May 28, 2024 16:17:35 GMT
Jen
If you're going to tell someone to fuck off maybe go to the minor effort of finding whose the fuckee in question.
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Post by barbara on May 28, 2024 16:18:08 GMT
To be honest I'm glad expectations of Starmer are so low as I'm certain he'll exceed them. I predict he'll be remembered as a great PM. He has a strong moral code and passion for equality, he has always championed the underdog in his legal work. He's logical, detailed and determined.
That was always Blair's problem. Expectations were so high he was always going to disappoint in the end.
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Post by steve on May 28, 2024 16:21:53 GMT
pjw1961I've no special insight into GMP but I assume there was some sort of allegation within their remit. Does seem a lot of resources to apply to conclude there's nothing to see.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 16:23:04 GMT
jen“and to the poster, I can't remember who it was, who complained about me using capitals” Was it Donald Trump?
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Post by crossbat11 on May 28, 2024 16:24:20 GMT
Yes, in the UKPR lexicon of name-calling and insults, I'd say "very teenager" was amongst the mildest and most inoffensive I've seen. I suppose offence is in the eye of the beholder and depends very much on the identity of the insulter and the recipient of the insult. P.S. For example, Colin rather approved of nickp's description of me as a cunt for having the temerity to question his (nickp's) views on Ben Stokes' momentous decision to declare early in an Ashes Test Match last summer. Extraordinary misrepresentation of your extraordinary rudeness at the time. Like Steve you belittle patronise or just insult and react like wounded little babies when someone reacts by telling you to shut up or calls you a cunt Colin hardly approved of me just pointed out that you were breathtakingly rude and can hardly have been surprised I was merely recalling our frankly pathetic little exchange about the cricket as an example of the range of insults and abuse that occur on this forum. I now regret doing so. No more of this silliness, for the sake of both you and I and everyone else on this forum. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 16:25:27 GMT
Jen If you're going to tell someone to fuck off maybe go to the minor effort of finding who’s the fuckee in question. It’s a sort of blank cheque insult I guess. Anyway, probably mercian. |
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Post by jimjam on May 28, 2024 16:25:48 GMT
The direct switchers I was talking about with 19% being at the high end of values; suggests some 2019 Tory DKs settling on Labour.
But early days and only one poll.
''Only 46% of 2019 Conservative voters would now vote Conservative again.
Westminster VI, 2019 Conservatives (25-27 May):
Conservative 46% (-2)
Labour 19% (–)
Reform 18% (–)
Other 7% (-1)
Don't Know 12% (+4)
Changes +/- 19 May
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti… pic.twitter.com/xSTTK9MFXF''
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Post by Danny on May 28, 2024 16:26:31 GMT
Silly thing to say. On the day, nothing. Over the next months and years then I expect substantial change to occur. I'm saying this 'alternative' government is very little of an alternative. There will be no great sea change. The thatcherite 'consensus' won't be rolled back. All this was said about the Blair/Brown government, but it was way better than con before it or con after it. Time someone learnt that lesson. Take the example of defence. The previous conservative government had ruled out fixed wing carriers because they are just too big and expensive for forces of our size. However, the economics improved so much under Blair that once again they were on the agenda and got ordered. But then came the 2008 crash - caused by US banks selling the world worthless securities - and afterwards con took the decision to continue building the ships. No doubt they were assuming the economy would recover and be as good as under Blair, after all they are the party of sound finances. Only it didnt happen, things went from bad to worse. The ships have massively distorted our defence spending at the cost of spening on the army (which is what we needed now to support Ukraine) and the air force. But also the navy too, because other smaller ships which are actually more useful to defend the UK, chase off pirates in the gulf, and really even for making good will visits, never got built. Labour today isnt pretending to be far too right leaning for the likes of Corbyn. It really is. But its still interested in harnessing the private sector to benefit the state and the less well off. Whereas all the evidence is the conservatives only do those things as a pretense to try to capture the votes of those affected. Here we are, con just said they will use money which had been allocated for levelling up, which oddly they hadnt spent, to fund national service places for youngsters. Thats not levelling up. |
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Post by Martin on May 28, 2024 16:26:38 GMT
Plans working Rishi👍👍
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