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Post by neilj on May 27, 2024 18:37:52 GMT
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Post by jib on May 27, 2024 19:05:16 GMT
 Now this would be bad for the Tories! I'm sure a PM has lost their seat before though? |
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Post by Mark on May 27, 2024 19:36:35 GMT
Had a look through Twitter on the national service thing.
one thing struck me. While, as expected, most were opposed, opposition was right across the spectrum, from lefties, Labourites, centrists, centre right and hard right.
It will be interesting to see the polls in the coming week...
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Post by crossbat11 on May 27, 2024 19:45:20 GMT
When does this rolling debacle get to a stage where one is allowed to feel a bat squeak of sympathy for Sunak and the Tories?? Don't be ridiculous. Austerity, Brexit, Johnson, Truss. You're a pitiless so and so, pj. Typical Essex CCC follower. 😆 |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 19:57:56 GMT
They have something in common with the Conservatives  Or alternatively, at the high-water mark of British Labour popularity the party could only open up a few points lead over the SNP which has been in government for 14 years. Once the British Labour government disappoints its supporters as it will inevitably do given its timidity, centre right positioning and economic inheritance it will sink back to a strong second place in Scottish politics. Blimey…you’re a bit touchy. |
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Post by crossbat11 on May 27, 2024 20:05:47 GMT
Or alternatively, at the high-water mark of British Labour popularity the party could only open up a few points lead over the SNP which has been in government for 14 years. Once the British Labour government disappoints its supporters as it will inevitably do given its timidity, centre right positioning and economic inheritance it will sink back to a strong second place in Scottish politics. Blimey…you’re a bit touchy. The grapes are exceedingly sour in bonnie Scotland. Probably due to the lack of sunshine in Northern Britain. Not great growing conditions for succulent fruit. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 20:07:08 GMT
No wonder Mark is always having to get rid of stuff given the size of items that sonny jib is always posting.
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Post by crossbat11 on May 27, 2024 20:14:01 GMT
I've just noticed that not even OldNat has "liked" Hireton's rather acerbic post.
Is this a straw in the wind, indicating divisions opening up in the Scottish Independence/Glorious Destination movement.
Old Nat's Sturgeon to Hireton's Salmond.
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Post by matt126 on May 27, 2024 20:16:12 GMT
I think the Tories are at risk of losing more votes with the National service policy, maybe mostly to Lib Dems but also to Labour. and Reform. It could also help Labour get some of the VI lost to Green Party
They might have got away with it more if they were more vague on details and just said would set up Royal Commission but they had all the details such as start date of September 2025 (most likely would take longer than that with Royal commission) confusion of how it would be paid for, a weekend every month for year (why not one lot of 4 weeks) ,how people who did not do it would be punished etc. Just led to poor communication with Tory campaigners outside the inner circle having no idea how to communicate it, so just a PR disaster for Sunak
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 20:20:14 GMT
I've just noticed that not even OldNat has "liked" Hireton's rather acerbic post. Is this a straw in the wind, indicating divisions opening up in the Scottish Independence/Glorious Destination movement. Old Nat's Sturgeon to Hireton's Salmond. It was merely a small joke/play on words from a poorly invalid but the old phrase “Sing when you’re winning, you only sing when you’re winning” definitely springs to mind. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 20:21:31 GMT
I think the Tories are at risk of losing more votes with the National service policy, maybe mostly to Lib Dems but also to Labour. and Reform. It could also help Labour get some of the VI lost to Green Party They might have got away with it more if they were more vague on details and just said would set up Royal Commission but they had all the details such as start date of September 2025 (most likely would take longer than that with Royal commission) confusion of how it would be paid for, a weekend every month for year (why not one lot of 4 weeks) ,how people who did not do it would be punished etc. Just led to poor communication with Tory campaigners outside the inner circle having no idea how to communicate it, so just a PR disaster for Sunak Yes indeed. A real shame. |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 27, 2024 20:39:29 GMT
They have something in common with the Conservatives Or alternatively, at the high-water mark of British Labour popularity the party could only open up a few points lead over the SNP which has been in government for 14 years. Once the British Labour government disappoints its supporters as it will inevitably do given its timidity, centre right positioning and economic inheritance it will sink back to a strong second place in Scottish politics. You don't happen to have next week's lottery numbers as well do you? |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 27, 2024 20:43:08 GMT
Don't be ridiculous. Austerity, Brexit, Johnson, Truss. You're a pitiless so and so, pj. Typical Essex CCC follower. 😆 We should show the Conservatives as much mercy as Essex did Kent |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 27, 2024 20:48:50 GMT
Now this would be bad for the Tories! I'm sure a PM has lost their seat before though? Technically the answer is no, although there was a near miss in 1906. Arthur Balfour, Conservative leader and previous PM, lost his seat (Manchester East) at the election of Jan-Feb 1906. However, the Conservatives had resigned and been replaced by the Liberals as the government in December 1905 (despite still having a HoC majority) and so Balfour wasn't actually PM when defeated. |
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Post by alec on May 27, 2024 20:55:33 GMT
May be we could see teenagers volunteering one weekend a month to help the Conservative Party write their new manifesto?
Oh, wait a minute....
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Post by neilj on May 27, 2024 20:55:41 GMT
Kemi Badenoch
"2 policies were announced for young people over the weekend. Whatever you think of them, they tell a story about each party’s priorities:
🔵Conservatives are thinking about duty, civic pride and social cohesion with national service.
🔴Starmer’s first new announcement was ‘Votes at 16"
Difficult choice for young people
Tory party policy forces them into unpaid labour
Labour Party policy gives them the vote
Hmmmm....
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Post by patrickbrian on May 27, 2024 21:08:54 GMT
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Post by peterbell on May 27, 2024 21:17:36 GMT
Sam Coates (Sky) saying that 120 business leaders have signed a letter to the Times indicating that they believe that Lab is the best party to generate growth
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Post by steamdrivenandy on May 27, 2024 21:18:44 GMT
Blimey…you’re a bit touchy. The grapes are exceedingly sour in bonnie Scotland. Probably due to the lack of sunshine in Northern Britain. Not great growing conditions for succulent fruit. Raspberries, the middle of Scotland is covered in them. |
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Post by crossbat11 on May 27, 2024 21:24:17 GMT
The grapes are exceedingly sour in bonnie Scotland. Probably due to the lack of sunshine in Northern Britain. Not great growing conditions for succulent fruit. Raspberries, the middle of Scotland is covered in them. [b I'm forever blowing raspberries. |
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Post by mark61 on May 27, 2024 21:27:59 GMT
They have something in common with the Conservatives Or alternatively, at the high-water mark of British Labour popularity the party could only open up a few points lead over the SNP which has been in government for 14 years. Once the British Labour government disappoints its supporters as it will inevitably do given its timidity, centre right positioning and economic inheritance it will sink back to a strong second place in Scottish politics. Despite dominating Scottish domestic politics for 14 years as you point out, with by common consent a capable leader in Ms Sturgeon (although there may be bad news in the post leading to a different evaluation of her tenure) you have never really won the argument for Independence have you? Were it not for Brexit giving you a new lease of life the margin in the independence Referendum should have settled the question for a generation. At the moment the tide is going out on your cause and this Election is a moment of great Peril. Whilst you might be right that a timid Labour Govt. may revive the Nationalist cause, a thumping Labour win leading to two terms and a transformational Govt. for all of the Uk may you must concede will have the opposite effect. What will you be hoping for Uk wide on Election night? |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 21:35:32 GMT
Usherwood is on the Sky News Papers Review interfrastically. |
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Post by Dave on May 27, 2024 21:36:19 GMT
When does this rolling debacle get to a stage where one is allowed to feel a bat squeak of sympathy for Sunak and the Tories?? On the 12th of never. |
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Post by Dave on May 27, 2024 21:41:16 GMT
You're a pitiless so and so, pj. Typical Essex CCC follower. 😆 We should show the Conservatives as much mercy as Essex did Kent I’ve gone off you. 😐 |
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Post by steve on May 27, 2024 21:41:44 GMT
No wonder Mark is always having to get rid of stuff given the size of items that sonny jib is always posting.
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Post by jib on May 27, 2024 21:45:58 GMT
Or alternatively, at the high-water mark of British Labour popularity the party could only open up a few points lead over the SNP which has been in government for 14 years. Once the British Labour government disappoints its supporters as it will inevitably do given its timidity, centre right positioning and economic inheritance it will sink back to a strong second place in Scottish politics. Despite dominating Scottish domestic politics for 14 years as you point out, with by common consent a capable leader in Ms Sturgeon (although there may be bad news in the post leading to a different evaluation of her tenure) you have never really won the argument for Independence have you? Were it not for Brexit giving you a new lease of life the margin in the independence Referendum should have settled the question for a generation. At the moment the tide is going out on your cause and this Election is a moment of great Peril. Whilst you might be right that a timid Labour Govt. may revive the Nationalist cause, a thumping Labour win leading to two terms and a transformational Govt. for all of the Uk may you must concede will have the opposite effect. What will you be hoping for Uk wide on Election night? I think Hireton will push that back at you .. Seeing is believing, and we all hope that Labour will win a clear majority to govern in England. |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 27, 2024 21:47:26 GMT
"The prime minister announced on Monday night that the party would give a new £100-a-year tax break to pensioners by increasing their personal allowance, as part of his continuing drive to win back older former Conservative voters who are saying they intend to vote for Reform."
They couldn't be more blatant as to which age demographic they are going for.
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Post by jib on May 27, 2024 21:51:48 GMT
No wonder Mark is always having to get rid of stuff given the size of items that sonny jib is always posting. You know what they say Big PosterSmall fontYou really are a techno caveman. I post links to websites and twitter pages as opposed to attachments, there's somewhat of a difference, but please don't let me stop you uploading your personal photo album (the clue is that my images are still appearing).....  |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 21:54:24 GMT
"The prime minister announced on Monday night that the party would give a new £100-a-year tax break to pensioners by increasing their personal allowance, as part of his continuing drive to win back older former Conservative voters who are saying they intend to vote for Reform." They couldn't be more blatant as to which age demographic they are going for. Just under two quid a week is going to be hard for me to turn down. |
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Post by crossbat11 on May 27, 2024 21:55:12 GMT
You're a pitiless so and so, pj. Typical Essex CCC follower. 😆 We should show the Conservatives as much mercy as Essex did Kent I'm more than happy for you to dispose of the division's small fry if, by so doing, you assist the Mighty Pears in their valiant bid to preserve their top flight status. Which they appear to be doing so via a succession of rain affected draws, navigating the ludicrously arcane bonus points system and the tendency for draws to be greatly over rewarded. In fact I haven't ruled out us winning the title without winning a single game! |
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