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Post by guylemot on May 7, 2022 12:19:39 GMT
Whilst I have no wish to see this happen, if Starmer comes a cropper via a FPN he will have brought it on himself. The said incident occurred in the course of last year's Hartlepool by election - an election which he was utterly stupid to bring about by persuading the MP to resign. I note too that on the basis of this week's Local Election result there Labour would now have held the seat fairly comfortably! It confirms my sense that Starmer lacks a political brain. I am unsure if Starmer had an option other than persuading Hill to resign. He was an MP who breached the Parliament’ sexual misconduct policy. An employee in any other organisation would face a similar outcome. There were other examples of political naivety in Labour’s by-election campaign in Hartlepool, but persuading Hill to stand down wasn’t one of them. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 7, 2022 12:20:55 GMT
I strongly disagree with those who label the LDs as LOC. Whilst not Tories , they are firmly ROC - particularly in terms of economic policy with their views being closer to Sunak than Johnson. |
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Post by Mark on May 7, 2022 12:23:06 GMT
Headlines from here in Swansea :
Uplands : 4 Uplands Councillors Party (Previously 2 UCP, 2 Lab).
Uplands is generally upper working class/lower middle class, mostly terraced housing, the first small shopping centre outside the city centre.
[The Uplands Councillors Party are former LibDems who left the LibDems when they went into coalition with the Tories, were generally left of centre LibDems in the Charles Kennedy mould].
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Sketty : Tory loss to LibDem
LibDems now have all 5 Sketty Councillors.
Sketty is generally middle class, terraced housing on it's edges, and a mix of semi-detached and detached in it's south/centre.
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Mayals : Green gain from tory.
Mayals, near the coast on Swansea's west side, with luscious sea views, is generally an upper middle class/upper class area, leafy, quiet. Those that live there include surgeons, solicitors, bankers. Associatd also with 'old money'.
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Post by graham on May 7, 2022 12:44:23 GMT
Whilst I have no wish to see this happen, if Starmer comes a cropper via a FPN he will have brought it on himself. The said incident occurred in the course of last year's Hartlepool by election - an election which he was utterly stupid to bring about by persuading the MP to resign. I note too that on the basis of this week's Local Election result there Labour would now have held the seat fairly comfortably! It confirms my sense that Starmer lacks a political brain. I am unsure if Starmer had an option other than persuading Hill to resign. He was an MP who breached the Parliament’ sexual misconduct policy. An employee in any other organisation would face a similar outcome. There were other examples of political naivety in Labour’s by-election campaign in Hartlepool, but persuading Hill to stand down wasn’t one of them. He should have withdrawn the Labour Whip and left it at that - rather than being responsible for an own goal by presenting the Tories with an avoidable by election gain at the peak of Johnson's vaccine bounce. Moreover, the Tory MP for Delyn is still sitting! Were Hill's offences any more serious than those of Roberts? It may well be the case that in due course a Recall Petition might have unseated Hill - but that would likely have delayed any by election until 2022 by which time Labour would have been much better placed to retain the seat - as suggested by this week's elections in Hartlepool.It really is not unreasonable to expect a party leader to think politically in this way. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 12:45:21 GMT
Whilst I have no wish to see this happen, if Starmer comes a cropper via a FPN he will have brought it on himself. The said incident occurred in the course of last year's Hartlepool by election - an election which he was utterly stupid to bring about by persuading the MP to resign. I note too that on the basis of this week's Local Election result there Labour would now have held the seat fairly comfortably! It confirms my sense that Starmer lacks a political brain. What a shame you’re not in charge of it all. |
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Post by graham on May 7, 2022 12:54:32 GMT
Whilst I have no wish to see this happen, if Starmer comes a cropper via a FPN he will have brought it on himself. The said incident occurred in the course of last year's Hartlepool by election - an election which he was utterly stupid to bring about by persuading the MP to resign. I note too that on the basis of this week's Local Election result there Labour would now have held the seat fairly comfortably! It confirms my sense that Starmer lacks a political brain. What a shame you’re not in charge of it all. Alas Starmer is no Harold Wilson. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on May 7, 2022 13:26:26 GMT
I am unsure if Starmer had an option other than persuading Hill to resign. He was an MP who breached the Parliament’ sexual misconduct policy. An employee in any other organisation would face a similar outcome. There were other examples of political naivety in Labour’s by-election campaign in Hartlepool, but persuading Hill to stand down wasn’t one of them. He should have withdrawn the Labour Whip and left it at that - rather than being responsible for an own goal by presenting the Tories with an avoidable by election gain at the peak of Johnson's vaccine bounce. Moreover, the Tory MP for Delyn is still sitting! Were Hill's offences any more serious than those of Roberts? It may well be the case that in due course a Recall Petition might have unseated Hill - but that would likely have delayed any by election until 2022 by which time Labour would have been much better placed to retain the seat - as suggested by this week's elections in Hartlepool.It really is not unreasonable to expect a party leader to think politically in this way. But Starmer's attitude plays very well if positioning yourself as straight as a die and in comparison with Johnson's crookedness. And facing off against an 80 seat majority, losing Hartlepool is neither here nor there so early in a Parliament. |
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Post by Mark on May 7, 2022 13:50:25 GMT
He should have withdrawn the Labour Whip and left it at that - rather than being responsible for an own goal by presenting the Tories with an avoidable by election gain at the peak of Johnson's vaccine bounce. Starmer did the right thing. Of course the MP should have resigned. Sexual misconduct is not taken seriously enough. Why do you think something like the 'me too' movement needed to exist? I am someone who is critical of Starmer on many things, but, on this, he got it spot on - and, yes, even if that meant a tory gain in a by-election. Moreover, the Tory MP for Delyn is still sitting! Were Hill's offences any more serious than those of Roberts? It is not a race to the bottom! This shows the difference between Starmer and Johnson, the latter being someone who has lied to and cheated on all of his previous wives and girlfriends - and as a journalist writing a piece on a Labour Party confeence, used what he called a "totty meter" to rate female speakers. |
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Post by domjg on May 7, 2022 13:57:39 GMT
What a shame you’re not in charge of it all. Alas Starmer is no Harold Wilson. Mate, you've got to remember some of us here are under 70 |
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Post by graham on May 7, 2022 14:17:42 GMT
Alas Starmer is no Harold Wilson. Mate, you've got to remember some of us here are under 70 Indeed - I am myself! |
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Post by graham on May 7, 2022 14:22:08 GMT
He should have withdrawn the Labour Whip and left it at that - rather than being responsible for an own goal by presenting the Tories with an avoidable by election gain at the peak of Johnson's vaccine bounce. Moreover, the Tory MP for Delyn is still sitting! Were Hill's offences any more serious than those of Roberts? It may well be the case that in due course a Recall Petition might have unseated Hill - but that would likely have delayed any by election until 2022 by which time Labour would have been much better placed to retain the seat - as suggested by this week's elections in Hartlepool.It really is not unreasonable to expect a party leader to think politically in this way. But Starmer's attitude plays very well if positioning yourself as straight as a die and in comparison with Johnson's crookedness. And facing off against an 80 seat majority, losing Hartlepool is neither here nor there so early in a Parliament. No - it was not in his power to force Hill to resign but by persuading him to do so he caused the party serious damage. He compounded his error by very nearly repeating it by calling the Batley& Spen by election too soon. That was a very lucky escape for Starmer which owed nothing to his judgement at all. Had Labour lost that too , I believe he would have had to resign. |
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Post by shevii on May 7, 2022 14:29:34 GMT
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Post by steve on May 7, 2022 15:56:25 GMT
SDA.
Presumably that's Yorkshire in the west country!
People who live in St Albans twenty miles to the north of London and 110 miles west of Norfolk might be categorised as in the East of England, but it isn't.
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Post by steve on May 7, 2022 16:03:06 GMT
@mark
I've been known to use a tosser meter when rating speakers in the Tory party.
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Post by steve on May 7, 2022 16:17:04 GMT
Mind you Spain seems to have more than its share of good looking politicians. Here's their Prime Minister. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by steve on May 7, 2022 16:18:02 GMT
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Post by ladyvalerie on May 7, 2022 16:27:44 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>And here's ours And Johnson’s suits won’t be off-the-peg. Some donor probably buys them for him. |
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Post by mercian on May 7, 2022 16:53:58 GMT
I don't think you've got the hang of posting your wordle scores yet! I'd post them on the Wordle thread if I was going to, but as other peoples' scores just come out as grey or white squares on my PC I can't really see the point. |
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Post by jimjam on May 7, 2022 17:03:42 GMT
In Northern Ireland one would expect the SDLP to pick up most Sein Fein Transfers and those that move left from the APNI.
There is much more movement from SF straight to APNI and the other way than might be expected based on economic and constitutional considerations.
The explanation would appear to be the SDLPs equivocation on social issues, equal marriage and especially abortion rights
Official policy may be to support both but they tolerate many social conservatives including Nichola Mallon for example.
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Post by shevii on May 7, 2022 17:10:15 GMT
One more seat and Aspire would take Tower Hamlets outright:
Election results by party
Party name Seats won
Aspire 22
Labour Party 18
Conservative 1
As there are 45 seats it's not possible to say "vote Tory get aspire" although if it ends 22 each and one Tory then the Tories could spread a rumour that they were going to put Aspire in and make Farage go even more ballistic than he already has done!
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Post by oldnat on May 7, 2022 17:21:35 GMT
9 seats still to declare in NI
Current position
SF 23 (No change)
DUP 23 (3 seats lost)
APNI 17 (9 seats gained)
UUP 9 (1 seat lost)
SDLP 6 (4 seats lost)
OTH 3 (nc) (1 each for Independent, TUV and PBP)
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Post by shevii on May 7, 2022 17:30:21 GMT
Aspire do indeed take Tower Hamlets:
Aspire 24
Lab 19
Con 1
Green 1 (at the very end)
Technically if Labour lose Croydon which based on the mayor vote is very possible (especially if votes go to smaller parties) then Labour are net zero in London in councils and must be quite close to net zero in councillors too.
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Post by oldnat on May 7, 2022 17:48:20 GMT
UPDATE
6 seats still to declare in NI
Current position
SF 24 (No change)
DUP 23 (3 seats lost)
APNI 17 (9 seats gained)
UUP 9 (1 seat lost)
SDLP 7 (4 seats lost)
OTH 4 (nc) ( 2 Independent, 1 each for TUV and PBP)
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Post by hireton on May 7, 2022 18:07:32 GMT
Analysis of voting in North East England in the local elections:
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Post by shevii on May 7, 2022 18:10:44 GMT
Sam Coates Sky
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Sky’s election analyst Michael Thrasher overall vote share for the local elections:
Labour 35%
Tories 33%
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Not sure if he means this is the alternative version of the one the BBC did yesterday (just with more analysis and detail) or if he just means this was the vote share in seats that had elections. We were waiting for the Thrasher one so perhaps the former?
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Post by RAF on May 7, 2022 18:33:16 GMT
BBC online reporting that Sinn Fein have now won 27 seats and will finish in first place.
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Post by RAF on May 7, 2022 18:35:20 GMT
Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky Sky’s election analyst Michael Thrasher overall vote share for the local elections: Labour 35% Tories 33% **************** Not sure if he means this is the alternative version of the one the BBC did yesterday (just with more analysis and detail) or if he just means this was the vote share in seats that had elections. We were waiting for the Thrasher one so perhaps the former? Can't be in the seats that had elections, as the Lab vote in those was much higher. |
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Post by catmanjeff on May 7, 2022 18:37:31 GMT
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Post by jib on May 7, 2022 18:41:36 GMT
That is interesting, but clearly a very biased article. If Starmer is fined, I am sure he will resign. If that happens, Johnson will probably be forced to follow suit too I would suggest? |
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Post by RAF on May 7, 2022 18:45:00 GMT
Aspire has beaten Lab to take Tower Hamlets council. The Lutfur Rahman comeback is complete. He has won the mayoralty and his party has won the council.
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