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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 20:15:21 GMT
They went out in the quarter finals. Had a bit of a ding dong today in the semis with hard left trots like me pitted against the centrists but it's a bit irrelevant as whoever wins that is going to get slaughtered by the Nats in the final, although the lad c-a-r-f-r-e-w put up a stern defence today in a friendly against the Nats so he's definitely in the team if we make it that far. I thought they'd put Carfrew out on loan 'til the end of the season. Oh! That's next week. Blimey! Who’d borrow him? |
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Post by oldnat on May 4, 2022 20:21:21 GMT
There has only been one Labour leader born in the last 100 years to have gone onto be prime minister I would have been more than happy to have seen Ed Miliband having achieved this and strongly suspect Kier Starmer will. Those who think their purist partisan views are more relevant than achieving power will continue to be enablers of Tory government.
If I lived in England, I would probably be minded in the same way as you. However, I don't and though a Labour Government that can get elected by English voters would undoubtedly be preferable to their choice of a Tory government, it would still have to be "Tory-lite" to get elected.
So, an improvement but one whose effect is likely to be fairly marginal, as far as Scotland is concerned. Any political option that relies on a Westminster government/parliament that is the result of voting by people in another polity, determining our laws and policies is not a reasonable prospectus.
On many issues, Scotland and England (plus whatever else remains of rUK) may well choose common solutions. To do so may well be the sensible, practical approach that davwel thinks can only be created by the parliament/government at Westminster deciding what is best for all parts of the UK.
Practical cross-border arrangements are common between polities that share a land border. If England (and the Brits elsewhere) could stop mythologizing themselves as an "island race", then sensible discussions become possible. |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2022 20:27:56 GMT
robbiealive Still here mate. I'm not posting much because as per my last, I don't want to intrude on private grief. I suppose I could post my opinion of Corbyn, but that would only succeed in uniting you lot into a screaming mob so I won't bother.  Maybe you could toss in a grenade, outrageous comment about Corbyn, Blair or Starmer and sit back and enjoy the show with a family size pack of cheese and onion. I seriously doubt you'll unite us. When did you last manage to walk on water? 😂 Well since you ask.... Corbyn was a superannuated potty old peddler of student-type politics, with little knowledge of the real world. His niche should have been to be a geography teacher at a crummy comp somewhere in the East Midlands, spending his holidays with his equally potty brother protesting about the lack of tinfoil hats supplied by the government. McDonnell was the dangerous puppet-master, apparently dedicated to destroying democracy and civilisation as we know it. Blair was the most cheesy smarmy insincere politician I can remember. Starmer is a cardboard cutout, which I suppose is an improvement on the others, and why he might just win the next GE. People aren't afraid of cardboard cutouts (but maybe they should be). OK? I could go on, but that's quite a long post for me. And by the way there are some Labour people I respect. Not many, but there aren't too many Tories either. |
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Post by jib on May 4, 2022 20:28:56 GMT
Very interesting to see visual confirmation of a modern (2019+) Russian T-90M tank destroyed in a fail counter attack near Kharkiv. These tanks were sent into Ukraine only very recently, and are Russia's most modern and capable tank, with enhanced armour, defensive systems prevent guided munitions and air defence systems. Occasional articles about their fearsome capabilities have appeared in the western press in recent years, with reports suggesting that they are going to revolutionise land warfare etc etc, but it appears that the Ukrainians have identified at least one weakness.
Edit: I've just read that Russia only has 40 of these in service in total, so this one loss represents 2.5% of that.
I believe these things are already in the testing and evaluation phase with full production limited. Russians rely on foreign orders to get their factories moving. There's a vested interest in there somewhere to show these are already obsolete against modern anti-tank systems. |
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Post by hireton on May 4, 2022 20:30:26 GMT
So it seems as the NI Assembly election period comes to an end the UK Government signals it will not be legislating after all to change the Northern Irelan Protocol unilaterally as it had previously suggested it would:
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Post by jib on May 4, 2022 20:33:28 GMT
Maybe you could toss in a grenade, outrageous comment about Corbyn, Blair or Starmer and sit back and enjoy the show with a family size pack of cheese and onion. I seriously doubt you'll unite us. When did you last manage to walk on water? 😂 Well since you ask.... Corbyn was a superannuated potty old peddler of student-type politics, with little knowledge of the real world. His niche should have been to be a geography teacher at a crummy comp somewhere in the East Midlands, spending his holidays with his equally potty brother protesting about the lack of tinfoil hats supplied by the government. McDonnell was the dangerous puppet-master, apparently dedicated to destroying democracy and civilisation as we know it. Blair was the most cheesy smarmy insincere politician I can remember. Starmer is a cardboard cutout, which I suppose is an improvement on the others, and why he might just win the next GE. People aren't afraid of cardboard cutouts (but maybe they should be). OK? I could go on, but that's quite a long post for me. And by the way there are some Labour people I respect. Not many, but there aren't too many Tories either. McDonnell was a very sinister character, I'll grant you that, a cold fish. Corby was out of his depth from day one, but seems to have acquired cult status by losing to the Tories in 2017, then getting completely thrashed in 2019! |
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Post by oldnat on May 4, 2022 20:40:04 GMT
I have noted (with some amusement) the way that Britain Elects presents their data.
In their "big boxes" at the bottom of their tweets, the LDs (18 seats) are elevated to "big box" status, while the SNP (55 seats) are relegated to "Others".
The messaging (whether intentional or not) is that only parties that are prominent in the English polity are worthy of enhanced presentation. How very un-UKanian!
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Post by thylacine on May 4, 2022 20:42:43 GMT
Maybe you could toss in a grenade, outrageous comment about Corbyn, Blair or Starmer and sit back and enjoy the show with a family size pack of cheese and onion. I seriously doubt you'll unite us. When did you last manage to walk on water? 😂 Well since you ask.... Corbyn was a superannuated potty old peddler of student-type politics, with little knowledge of the real world. His niche should have been to be a geography teacher at a crummy comp somewhere in the East Midlands, spending his holidays with his equally potty brother protesting about the lack of tinfoil hats supplied by the government. McDonnell was the dangerous puppet-master, apparently dedicated to destroying democracy and civilisation as we know it. Blair was the most cheesy smarmy insincere politician I can remember. Starmer is a cardboard cutout, which I suppose is an improvement on the others, and why he might just win the next GE. People aren't afraid of cardboard cutouts (but maybe they should be). OK? I could go on, but that's quite a long post for me. And by the way there are some Labour people I respect. Not many, but there aren't too many Tories either. I want to like Starmer but he seems so wooden at times. He needs more charisma but I can't see him gaining it. Maybe sincerity will be adequate. One thing I do have against him was the attempt I think to demote Angela Rayner when he thought he could get away with it and the immediate back pedal when he realised she wouldn't have it. |
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Post by crossbat11 on May 4, 2022 20:51:42 GMT
Well since you ask.... Corbyn was a superannuated potty old peddler of student-type politics, with little knowledge of the real world. His niche should have been to be a geography teacher at a crummy comp somewhere in the East Midlands, spending his holidays with his equally potty brother protesting about the lack of tinfoil hats supplied by the government. McDonnell was the dangerous puppet-master, apparently dedicated to destroying democracy and civilisation as we know it. Blair was the most cheesy smarmy insincere politician I can remember. Starmer is a cardboard cutout, which I suppose is an improvement on the others, and why he might just win the next GE. People aren't afraid of cardboard cutouts (but maybe they should be). OK? I could go on, but that's quite a long post for me. And by the way there are some Labour people I respect. Not many, but there aren't too many Tories either. I want to like Starmer but he seems so wooden at times. He needs more charisma but I can't see him gaining it. Maybe sincerity will be adequate. One thing I do have against him was the attempt I think to demote Claire Rayner when he thought he could get away with it and the immediate back pedal when he realised she wouldn't have it. Well, in fairness to Starmer there were better agony aunts available to him than Claire. Angela for example. |
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Post by shevii on May 4, 2022 20:53:28 GMT
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Post by thylacine on May 4, 2022 20:55:06 GMT
I want to like Starmer but he seems so wooden at times. He needs more charisma but I can't see him gaining it. Maybe sincerity will be adequate. One thing I do have against him was the attempt I think to demote Claire Rayner when he thought he could get away with it and the immediate back pedal when he realised she wouldn't have it. Well, in fairness to Starmer there were better agony aunts available to him than Claire. Angela for example. Damn I thought I'd caught that in time! However let's hope we are not in need of dear departed Claire tomorrow night 🤞 |
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Post by crossbat11 on May 4, 2022 20:56:22 GMT
Jeepers creepers, what's going on at the Bernebau???
Football. Bloody hell.
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Post by Old Southendian on May 4, 2022 20:58:35 GMT
Well since you ask.... Corbyn was a superannuated potty old peddler of student-type politics, with little knowledge of the real world. His niche should have been to be a geography teacher at a crummy comp somewhere in the East Midlands, spending his holidays with his equally potty brother protesting about the lack of tinfoil hats supplied by the government. McDonnell was the dangerous puppet-master, apparently dedicated to destroying democracy and civilisation as we know it. Blair was the most cheesy smarmy insincere politician I can remember. Starmer is a cardboard cutout, which I suppose is an improvement on the others, and why he might just win the next GE. People aren't afraid of cardboard cutouts (but maybe they should be). OK? I could go on, but that's quite a long post for me. And by the way there are some Labour people I respect. Not many, but there aren't too many Tories either. Do you know, I think I can agree with an awful lot of that, though maybe not the tone. But the funny thing is, I'm still going to vote Labour for the foreseeable future as despite all that, they're still head and shoulders above the other lot. IMO, of course, which excuses everything apparently. |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 4, 2022 21:15:55 GMT
Britain elects has come out with their local election forecast. The headline numbers look quite plausible. Miles away from the dodgy MRP.
CON: -206
LAB: +147
LDEM: +34
GRN: +35
SNP: -12
PC: -14
Not sure about some of the underlying detail though. 2018 was a good year for Labour but not necessarily better than now, so not sure why Labour would lose seats in England - my assumption would be minimal gains. (Mind you, they don't seem to think London is in England. Which is odd.)
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Post by neilj on May 4, 2022 21:22:15 GMT
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Post by johntel on May 4, 2022 21:24:57 GMT
Last minute flurry from the LDs in my ward, attacking the Conservative because she lives (and currently is councillor for) a village 12 miles away.
I must say I have a strong preference for politicians to live in the community they represent.
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Post by alec on May 4, 2022 21:29:05 GMT
Recently published paper (December '21) in Science, so fully peer reviewed, showing how mask wearing rates can be improved and that levels of mask wearing correlate with reductions in covid like illnesses. This was a carefully constructed, large sample cluster randomised study. www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069There are reams of studies like this coming through. |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2022 21:29:46 GMT
johntel We've had nothing from LibDems, he's probably just a paper candidate. About 3 leaflets each from Labour and Tories, and for the first time I can remember a candidate actually knocked the door. He seemed quite anglicized - western clothes and no discernible accent.
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Post by alec on May 4, 2022 21:30:36 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that tomorrow will be much better for Labour than most seem to think. There seems to be a tide running at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 21:35:47 GMT
Maybe you could toss in a grenade, outrageous comment about Corbyn, Blair or Starmer and sit back and enjoy the show with a family size pack of cheese and onion. I seriously doubt you'll unite us. When did you last manage to walk on water? 😂 Well since you ask.... Corbyn was a superannuated potty old peddler of student-type politics, with little knowledge of the real world. His niche should have been to be a geography teacher at a crummy comp somewhere in the East Midlands, spending his holidays with his equally potty brother protesting about the lack of tinfoil hats supplied by the government. Now don't hold back, say what you really think! You actually remind me of a quip I heard at the height of the Brexit parliamentary shenanigans in 2019 from Geoff Norcott, that rare bird, a ROC stand up comedian. When asked what he thought about Jeremy Corbyn possibly becoming caretaker Prime Minister, he said " Well, I think he could do one of those jobs". |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 4, 2022 21:37:21 GMT
Last minute flurry from the LDs in my ward, attacking the Conservative because she lives (and currently is councillor for) a village 12 miles away. I must say I have a strong preference for politicians to live in the community they represent. Norman St John Stevas became MP for Chelmsford in 1964. The first time he bothered to buy a house in the constituency was 1983, after his majority (in what had been a safe seat) was reduced to 378 by the Liberals. My current MP spends most of his time in London, 50 miles from the constituency he supposedly represents, but as his majority is nearly 25,000 I don't suppose he gives a toss. The curse of FPTP strikes again. |
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Post by domjg on May 4, 2022 21:44:38 GMT
- Hallo Danny mk2.. Tell that to the people who lost perfectly healthy loved ones unexpectedly or the many, many previously young, fit people suffering with long Covid, one of whom is my child's 40 odd year old teacher who is still not back working full time a year after the event.. Then there's an old neighbour of mine in her thirties forced to 'shield' due to diabetes. Well, firstly I disagree strongly with Danny about vaccines - in the whole pandemic then (IMO) they are far and away the most powerful tool that has diminished the effect of the virus. I also disagree with him about lockdowns - IMO they served a useful purpose in stopping the health service getting overwhelmed initially, and delayed many potential cases post vaccinations. But they can't be kept up indefinitely, as China is currently finding. And please, spare me the hand wringing. Every death is a tragedy to the families of those affected, but let's not forget all the people who have died or suffered severe illness due to cancer, heart disease, stroke etc etc. Which at last count was well over 10x as many as died of Covid in the same period. (And most of those in the period before vaccination.) I don't want to diminish the suffering caused by Covid - but please, let's keep a sense of proportion and remember all the deaths unrelated to Covid. A death is a death, and a bereavement is a bereavement, whether due to Covid or something else. "rewards from masks are dwarfed by their disadvantages, inconvenience as well as restricting communication" - Utterly lame.. What you're saying is you're not willing to undergo the slightest sacrifice for greater societal good. In the early stages of the let up in restrictions I found going to the supermarket and noting who was still wearing a mask and who was not was a very handy guide at a glance as to who was thoughtful and considerate and who was selfish and egotistical. No. What I'm saying is that if there was decent evidence that mask wearing in such as supermarkets was effective I'd join in. That evidence simply is not there. You carry on wearing one if you wish - most people seem to now disagree, and if you're labelling such (the large majority) "selfish and egotistical" you're being disparaging to most of the population. "Spare me the hand wringing" - No, don't think I will. Too many avoidable deaths. |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 4, 2022 21:44:41 GMT
Jeepers creepers, what's going on at the Bernebau??? Football. Bloody hell. You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. (copyright O. Wilde) |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2022 21:46:45 GMT
Well since you ask.... Corbyn was a superannuated potty old peddler of student-type politics, with little knowledge of the real world. His niche should have been to be a geography teacher at a crummy comp somewhere in the East Midlands, spending his holidays with his equally potty brother protesting about the lack of tinfoil hats supplied by the government. Now don't hold back, say what you really think! I'd better not, or I'll be banned from the board and probably the entire internet 🤣 |
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Post by alec on May 4, 2022 21:47:30 GMT
Great example here of what our societies are getting wrong. The before - www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/27/white-house-correspondents-dinner-covid-safety/2000 Washington journalists and staff at the WHCA annual dinner. Organisers were offer a free trial of a FarUV air cleansing system that would disinfect the air. The venue (the Washington Hilton) and the WHCA itself both rejected the offer, instead relying on same day testing for all attendants and mandatory vaccination. The after - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10782501/Journalists-multiple-outlets-test-positive-COVID-White-House-Correspondents-Dinner.htmlDozens of attendees at the event have started to test positive, and this now looks likely to have been a major superspreader event. Some of those who have tested positive interacted with President Biden. A couple of points to note. The DM article says that the WHCA dinner is actually several events over a weekend, each with their own covid protocols, so the infections cannot all be put down to the actual dinner. Also, it cannot be proven that the UV system would have eliminated most or all of any potential infections - although experimental data has proven that such systems deliver an exceptional level of purification in indoor spaces, acting extremely rapidly to eliminate covid. But what this whole story does show is that if we ignore the proven ways to prevent transmission through measures such as masking and air cleaning, then we are going to get repeated infections and unnecessary risks. While masking has largely been rejected by western populations now, and is not appropriate in some circumstances anyway, measures such as air purification should become standard in any indoor space of any capacity. |
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Post by alec on May 4, 2022 21:51:35 GMT
lens - "No. What I'm saying is that if there was decent evidence that mask wearing in such as supermarkets was effective I'd join in." You need to start joining in. The evidence has been there for a very long time. The trouble is, sometimes you need to look for it. Once again, as I have cited dozens of times on here, there is overwhelming evidence from both physical studies, modeling and real world epidemiological studies that mask wearing reduces infections. You are peddling fake news and anti science propaganda. That may be through ignorance, but that's what you are doing.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 21:59:03 GMT
Now don't hold back, say what you really think! I'd better not, or I'll be banned from the board and probably the entire internet 🤣 It's probably just a matter of time! |
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Post by crossbat11 on May 4, 2022 22:07:40 GMT
Jeepers creepers, what's going on at the Bernebau??? Football. Bloody hell. You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. (copyright O. Wilde) I get a little conflicted by elite club football. State owned franchises masquerading as football clubs have ruined much of domestic football across Europe. Moneyball is the game now. And yet and yet and yet. When these clubs meet to compete for the game's ultimate prizes and the great players they have assembled are let loose in the glorious chaos that is football, great matches often ensue. Titanic battles that crackle with outrageous skills and are often laced with extraordinary drama. The two legs of the Champions League semi-final between City and Real Madrid were two such games. As a football lover, I was enraptured by both of them. I marvelled at the skill and impossible drama. As Barney Ronay, the Guardian football correspondent said, just when you despair about football, or at least the hideous infrastructure that has grown up around it, the old game comes to its own rescue. Football often redeems itself because of the wondrous spectacles it provides. |
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Post by caroline on May 4, 2022 22:16:32 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that tomorrow will be much better for Labour than most seem to think. There seems to be a tide running at the moment. I'll stick my neck out too! I live in a true blue area and there is much less hostility to Labour on the doorstep than in recent years. I think there will be a low turnout and some major Labour gains. I think the Greens will do reasonably well but I don't see much empirical evidence of a Lib.Dem revival....but each constituency is different. |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2022 22:16:45 GMT
crossbat11I agree about the wondrous spectacle of football. I can still vividly remember Dick Edwards and George Curtis simultaneously shoulder charging Bobby Charlton from each side. To his credit, he didn't roll around in simulated agony but got up and got on with it. He was a bit subdued afterwards though. 😄
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