8-Jan-2022 : LAB: 39 / CON: 34 / LDEM: 11 / GRN: 5

[neilj]

Save Big Dog!!!

This has gone beyond parody now

[oldnat]

Jan 14, 2022 19:40:20 GMT lululemonmustdobetter said:

Sos, I think we all need to 'hug a ROC' today - poor things!😉

If I were to try to hug Annabel Goldie, the next time we are buying bird food in the same RSPB shop, she would flatten me with her handbag - so I will decline that suggestion.

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domjg

Thanks
@" We evolved to function like wolf packs "

I don't think that right.

Wolf pack society revolves around the the alpha male and female. These two animals are dominant over all the other wolves in the pack. The alpha male and female are the only wolves that breed.

Homo sapiens evolved reduced sexual dimorphism. Together with traits like hidden oestrus, altricial young, and monogamous mating systems, the key feature of bipedalism made task sharing , male and female  parental investment and the so called Band Society the signature of our social organisation.

[jimjam]

Mandolist - ''Wow, does that Savanta Com Res make three in a row? I am surprised that the LD's haven't had a bit of a bounce.''

Actually 4 with leads of 10% or slightly more so I think we can say currently the lead is 10%, although as above it will take until several months after Johnson has gone for a underlying picture to emerge.

2023 local elections will be the key test for whether the GE can be Autumn 2023 or, more likely imo, May 2024.

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Jan 14, 2022 18:09:35 GMT jimjam said:

I hope we don't drive away the remaining openly ROC posters.

You mean you hope you do ?

[Deleted]

Jan 14, 2022 16:13:54 GMT robert said:

I think folks missed your point about 'not excusing'. However, Boris, as a former journo himself, should know the media loves a 'story' to be presented in the most 'click bait' friendly way (ie vilifying, etc is all to be expected) but perhaps he thought they'd never go after him? Comrade Corbyn perhaps never expected to become leader of LAB and whilst that is no excuse either then Boris should have known better given he has clearly always had the desire to become PM (and using Brexit as his opportunity[1] to do so). Maybe he thought he's previously 'bullet proof' coat was permanent?

Anyway, one thing perhaps our LOC friends will hopefully accept is that CON certainly don't 'own' the press. That 'myth' has been busted.

Covid was the worst possible timing for him as it least suited his personality (again, not an excuse). He likes to mix, enjoys a drink, 'bend' the rules - the lovable rogue type. In other times that would make him appealing to the many but that 'personality' was ill suited to Covid.

[1] Never a True Br-Leaver IMO (see the two stories he drafted, one for each side) and 'too' lacking in ideology and policy. Vote.Leave was his outside chance to become PM (one Gove ruined first time round which landed us with the Mayb0t and botched GE'17 - although given that avoid BrINO then maybe that wasn't a bad thing). Had he backed Remain he'd have probably never have become PM in any parallel universe, no matter what the result of EURef. I dislike Truss for similar reasons. She might have a bit more ideology and policy BUT still far too much 'opportunism' IMO. In Rishi we trust!

[Old Southendian]

Jan 14, 2022 19:40:19 GMT John Chanin said:

I have a grudging respect for Dominic Cummings whose focus on good government and how to get things done was admirable, even if what he wanted to do didn’t always meet with my approval. This comment is very Cummings like - you need to put your effort into the right things.

Cummings is an Old Dunelmian, and probably wouldn't waste his time here. 

I agree that I have respect for people who prefer to just get things done and not worry too much about the 'look'.  But also not terribly keen on what he wants to do.  No complaints if he's trying to get Johnson booted out, but I have a feeling he's aiming for more than just that, and rather generally undermining the whole of government.  He probably does regard Johnson as a trivial man, Johnson was unwise to let him so near to the seat of power.

[shevii]

Jan 14, 2022 19:51:49 GMT @tw said:

Jan 14, 2022 16:13:54 GMT robert said:

Anyway, one thing perhaps our LOC friends will hopefully accept is that CON certainly don't 'own' the press. That 'myth' has been busted.

Not necessarily true.  All it means it that they see a dead man walking and/or have preferences for an alternative.  Not like they haven't brushed off Johnson's faults which have been there since day 1.

[James E]

Jan 14, 2022 19:51:49 GMT @tw said:

Jan 14, 2022 16:13:54 GMT robert said:

I dislike Truss 

So do I



[Good to agree with an ROC 'across the divide']

[alec]

Ah! So Johnson was never 'the man'.

Whatever happened to all that 'Johnson the Chairman, Gove the CEO, Sunak the finance director, whatever whatever whatever....'?

Save Big Dog?

More like save big dog from shitting on his own doorstep, I think.

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@tw

@"I think folks missed your point about 'not excusing'."

Ignored rather than missed-it would spoil the Rain Dance to acknowledge it.



@"Anyway, one thing perhaps our LOC friends will hopefully accept is that CON certainly don't 'own' the press. That 'myth' has been busted."

I wouldn't bank on that-this is merely the Tory Press Moguls deciding they've had enough of this namby pamby party giving, wine buying Liberal  loser and its about time for a real Baby Eating Thatcherite & a return of Hunting THe Poor with dogs.

[lululemonmustdobetter]

Jan 14, 2022 19:49:43 GMT jimjam said:

Mandolist - ''Wow, does that Savanta Com Res make three in a row? I am surprised that the LD's haven't had a bit of a bounce.''

Actually with leads of 10% or slightly more so I think we can say currently the lead is 10%, although as above it will take until several months after Johnosn has gone for a underlying picture to emerge.

2023 local elections will be the key test for whether the GE can be Autumn 2023 or, more likely imo, May 2024.

 I do think a tipping point has been the revelation that there was a party the night before the funeral - I guess for a some 2019 Tory VI that will have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m not sure if what we are seeing atm is more ABJ(ohnson) rather than ABT - but if the Tories don’t act soon the more it would move to the latter.

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alec

@"Whatever happened to all that 'Johnson the Chairman, Gove the CEO, Sunak the finance director,"

Didn't work.

Crap Chairman.

Gave it a shot-like you do.

Try someone else .

Like the Labour Party.

[Deleted]

Jan 14, 2022 18:09:35 GMT jimjam said:

I hope we don't drive away the remaining openly ROC posters.

From 'General Rules' see #2 and #4. I can't speak for the few other ROCs on UKPR2 but I'll copy+paste final paragraph:

If you see a comment from someone else that you think crosses over the line please do NOT respond with equally partisan rebuttals. If it is a new poster then please do welcome them, explain we don’t really do things that way round here. If it is someone who should know better, just ignore them: continuing a partisan argument is just as bad as starting it!

ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/5/general-rules-post-read

Of course not everyone follows the rules or 'at best' has interpreted them in their own way but I try to follow the rules on UKPR2 (especially the 'ignore' bit) 

I doubt 'explain we don’t really do things that way round here' would work coming from anyone on the other side but if you want to play 'prefect' with anyone on team LOC (ABCON) then the rules give you the authority to do so (although I doubt that work either, by all means give it a go if you think their is a risk ROC posters are going to be driven away and want to do something to prevent that)

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Jan 14, 2022 19:58:37 GMT shevii said:

Jan 14, 2022 19:51:49 GMT @tw said:

Anyway, one thing perhaps our LOC friends will hopefully accept is that CON certainly don't 'own' the press. That 'myth' has been busted.

Not necessarily true.  All it means it that they see a dead man walking and/or have preferences for an alternative.  Not like they haven't brushed off Johnson's faults which have been there since day 1.

Ah, the Cunning (Cummings) Plan theory 

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Old Southendian

@"Cummings is an Old Dunelmian,"

Good grief !-Really ??
Well that's the last time I buy any of their sodding kettles .

or pillows

or pedal bins

[EmCat]

Jan 14, 2022 20:04:08 GMT colin said:

@"Anyway, one thing perhaps our LOC friends will hopefully accept is that CON certainly don't 'own' the press. That 'myth' has been busted."

I wouldn't bank on that-this is merely the Tory Press Moguls deciding they've had enough of this namby pamby party giving, wine buying Liberal  loser and its about time for a real Baby Eating Thatcherite & a return of Hunting THe Poor with dogs.

Though not, obviously (given the latest code name), with "big dogs" 😁

[Deleted]

Jan 14, 2022 20:14:59 GMT EmCat said:

Jan 14, 2022 20:04:08 GMT colin said:

@"Anyway, one thing perhaps our LOC friends will hopefully accept is that CON certainly don't 'own' the press. That 'myth' has been busted."

I wouldn't bank on that-this is merely the Tory Press Moguls deciding they've had enough of this namby pamby party giving, wine buying Liberal  loser and its about time for a real Baby Eating Thatcherite & a return of Hunting THe Poor with dogs.

Though not, obviously (given the latest code name), with "big dogs" 😁

No- they dont run too fast-any old dog will catchem.

[jib]

Independent reports on Save Big Dog:

"Operation Save Big Dog: Boris Johnson draws up plan for officials to quit over partygate so he can keep job"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-downing-street-partygate-b1993433.html

[domjg]

Jan 14, 2022 19:47:14 GMT colin said:

domjg

Thanks
@" We evolved to function like wolf packs "

I don't think that right.

Wolf pack society revolves around the the alpha male and female. These two animals are dominant over all the other wolves in the pack. The alpha male and female are the only wolves that breed.

Homo sapiens evolved reduced sexual dimorphism. Together with traits like hidden oestrus, altricial young, and monogamous mating systems, the key feature of bipedalism made task sharing , male and female  parental investment and the so called Band Society the signature of our social organisation.

colin hokey dokey.. I suppose social and co-operative was all I was going for.

[Deleted]

Jan 14, 2022 20:08:43 GMT colin said:

alec

@"Whatever happened to all that 'Johnson the Chairman, Gove the CEO, Sunak the finance director,"

Didn't work.

Crap Chairman.

Gave it a shot-like you do.

Try someone else .

Like the Labour Party.

Alec on the trolling again? Thankfully I hide the daily diatribes of defeatist drivel but as usual his memory is wrong so for the 100th time (but 1st and last time on UKPR2) then it was Rishi CEO with Boris supposed to take a back seat as Chairman. Boris misunderstood the request to spend a lot of time in the garden and then Carrie Antoinette (to pick the less rude nickname) got bored and lonely over lockdown and decided to turn the rose garden into the Rosé garden.

Comrade Corbyn had his allotment and fairly sure McDonnell would have been ruinning the show had LAB won GE'19 

[John Chanin]

Jan 14, 2022 20:13:17 GMT colin said:

Old Southendian

@"Cummings is an Old Dunelmian,"

Good grief !-Really ??
Well that's the last time I buy any of their sodding kettles .

or pillows

or pedal bins

I have no idea what a Dunelmian is.  It sounds like one of those aliens from Deep Space 9.

[Deleted]

Jan 14, 2022 20:00:55 GMT James E said:

Jan 14, 2022 19:51:49 GMT @tw said:

I dislike Truss 

So do I

Me too.

[hireton]

New poll. 14pt lead for Labour:

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Jan 14, 2022 19:51:16 GMT colin said:

Jan 14, 2022 18:09:35 GMT jimjam said:

I hope we don't drive away the remaining openly ROC posters.

You mean you hope you do ?

That’s a bit unkind given what a nice bloke JJ is.

[Deleted]

Jan 14, 2022 20:22:50 GMT John Chanin said:

Jan 14, 2022 20:13:17 GMT colin said:

I have no idea what a Dunelmian is.  It sounds like one of those aliens from Deep Space 9.

or a breed of dog? Like a Dalmatian? Dom ended up with one too many spots and then upset the 'alpha' (Carrie) so he was sent to the dog's home where you can still him barking away and howling to the moon 

Maybe Boris can also take up blogging? Perhaps the 'cunning plan' is Spectator will offer him a Gardiner job (£500k) before he does permanent damage to the Tory party? (not a prediction but a plausible scenario that could be 'back fitted' to fit the agenda of the 'cunning plan')

[bardin1]

Jan 14, 2022 19:46:25 GMT oldnat said:

I wouldn't go as far as giving her a hug, but I did think she was a good leader of the Scottish Tories and for that reason  I was glad when she stood down.

When I used to meet my brother for a pint in South Edinburgh after the football and stay over, on the Sunday morning  Robin Cook would come in to the local newsagent pick up his papers (all of them) and breakfast rolls. Another one who I was glad to see disappear for reasons of over-competence

[Old Southendian]

On polling, I have to admit that like Turk, I expected things to revert back to something like parity as we moved into 2022. I was totally wrong, as so often. Not to be too harsh on myself, it was on the assumption that no further leaks came out - that was a very poor assumption.

But even now, I'll still stick to my expectation that Johnson is not going yet. I hope to be proved completely wrong again.

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Johnson should have gone for Operation Save Little Dog, given how much we all love little dogs - would have worked a treat.

Sadly he probably couldn’t risk the juvenile LOC and their pathetic willie jokes.

(I have decided not just to reach over the aisle but to actually sit on the opposite side. I hope more will join me until we have equity.)

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Jan 14, 2022 20:33:43 GMT Old Southendian said:

On polling, I have to admit that like Turk, I expected things to revert back to something like parity as we moved into 2022. I was totally wrong, as so often. Not to be too harsh on myself, it was on the assumption that no further leaks came out - that was a very poor assumption.

But even now, I'll still stick to my expectation that Johnson is not going yet. I hope to be proved completely wrong again.

As they say, 'Events dear boy, events' but with any luck you'll get two wrongs and then be right ('revert back to something like parity as we moved further into 2022' and Boris is replaced by Rishi) 

(minor edits to the timing and my hope it is Rishi, although I'd be OK with Hunt or a few others - anyone but Gove, preferably not Truss and sadly Raab or Patel are 'damaged goods' and toxic to the many so can't be them)