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Post by ladyvalerie on Feb 7, 2022 18:02:55 GMT
Is it ok to use the term Irish Sea?
Askin for a friend?
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Post by Mark on Feb 7, 2022 18:09:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 18:10:56 GMT
If you've been on a through charter train to Kingswear that might well have been a Bristol Temple Meads to Kingswear 'Torbay Express', which, until she was withdrawn for overhaul in 2012, was one of the main duties of 'my' engine GWR express passenger King Class 6024 'King Edward 1'. I refer to her as my engine because I helped in the original restoration as a member of the volunteer working party at Quainton, Bucks in 1987 to '89. It's 6024 that you see in the title sequences of the 'Coast' TV series as she runs along the by the seashore in Devon with a 'Torbay Express' and 6024 had the honour of pulling the royal train when Prince Charles visited the Severn Valley Railway. She's now in the final stages of rebuilding at the shed at Minehead Station on the West Somerset and should run again this year, covid permitting. During the overhaul she's had the latest track safety systems fitted, plus brand new outside cylinders that reduce her girth slightly so she has adequate lineside clearance on many more mainline routes, which means that in future she can operate over much more of the network. www.6024.com/I've certainly done the 'Torbay Express' from Temple Meads (via Westbury so you get more bang for your buck), but post KE1's withdrawal. I think we've had 'Royal Scot' and 'Tornado' at the sharp end but can't recall entirely. I hadn't realised they had such comprehensive facilities at Minehead. Good to hear about the likely return to service. |
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Post by mercian on Feb 7, 2022 18:13:45 GMT
I usually fall for the baiting. Now it's happening to someone else I don't feel quite so stupid. On UKPR1 we once went through what seemed to be an interminable debate about what to call the country in the southern bit of the island of Ireland. I didn't want to call it Ireland because it's the same name as the island, and hence confusing. They wouldn't even accept Eire, which that country puts on its stamps! As I recall, you tended to call the Republic of Ireland "southern Ireland". This is both inaccurate ( the most northerly part of the island of Ireland is in the Republic) and could be thought a deliberate ploy to diminish a sovereign state by calling it by an inaccurate geographical term. The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 says that the state should be described as the Republic of Ireland ( and that is the term the UK Government started to use from 1949 rather than Eire although since the Belfast Agreement is has started to use Ireland as well). My understanding that Eire is acceptable and is used in the Constitution of Ireland but from your point of view is unacceptable as it simply means Ireland. On the contrary my only objection is to the word 'Ireland' alone to refer to the country, as it is the name of the island and could lead to confusion. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Feb 7, 2022 18:16:17 GMT
@isa Much of the Beeching cuts were a shocking and shortsighted destruction of infrastructure. There are several lines that if still in existence would be heavily used now (Witney to Oxford springs to mind, the road is a horror show). Many of them could have been mothballed rather than ripped out as often happened in other countries (I remember a teenage holiday in France walking disused and overgrown but still intact lines). Here it almost seems as though there were a deliberate attempt to destroy and build on old lines precisely to stop them being re-used. I've heard it said that the lobbying of the oil/motoring industry may have had a say in this at the time but I've no idea if there's any truth in that. The Monsal trail between Buxton and Bakewell is good for walking. If they hadn't taken the track up it might have become a steam heritage line. |
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Post by jen on Feb 7, 2022 18:17:27 GMT
I think we need to do this because 'Britain' as a polity will shortly be breathing it's last Couldn't disagree more. A Polity is a political entity. Britain / British isles are names for a place. A geographical location. "Britain" is derived from the earliest written name for the place where I live. It's derivation is a name for the people who lived on these islands over 2000 years ago-the Pritani-the Painted Ones. ( Welsh for Britain is "Prydain" *) So it describes the land which created our culture . A land which has seen many "polities" arise and fall over the ensuing centuries. I think of myself as British. That won't change because yet another polity on it appears or disappears. * this wiki on the welsh tradition for the peoples of Britain, is interesting :-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloegyr Indeed, for most of my life, I thought of myself as British. But the new wave of English nationalism has destroyed all that for me. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 18:25:15 GMT
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Yes. LAB voters only started to think they will win next GE since 'Partygate' which you'd have seen for yourself if you opened the link. If you prefer a picture from the twitterverse I'll save you the need to read the link I posted:
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I was joking!
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Post by hireton on Feb 7, 2022 18:25:21 GMT
Johnson's Saville slur against Starmer having its intended effect:
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 18:27:48 GMT
Is it ok to use the term Irish Sea? Askin for a friend? Well the correct term is actually the Welsh/Irish/Scottish triangle.😁 Posters have been known to disappear there. |
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2022 18:27:55 GMT
Kier Starmer attacked by a mob of anti vaxer nutters outside of parliament had to be rescued by the police.
Never fear Piers Corbyn on hand to make matters worse.
Some reports suggest they were repeating the same bollocks our dear leader used in parliament when insulting Starmer over the Jimmy Savile prosecution.
If so Spaffer has some culpability and has endangered a fellow parliamentarian safety simply because he was caught out in his lies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 18:54:11 GMT
Couldn't disagree more. A Polity is a political entity. Britain / British isles are names for a place. A geographical location. "Britain" is derived from the earliest written name for the place where I live. It's derivation is a name for the people who lived on these islands over 2000 years ago-the Pritani-the Painted Ones. ( Welsh for Britain is "Prydain" *) So it describes the land which created our culture . A land which has seen many "polities" arise and fall over the ensuing centuries. I think of myself as British. That won't change because yet another polity on it appears or disappears. * this wiki on the welsh tradition for the peoples of Britain, is interesting :-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloegyr Indeed, for most of my life, I thought of myself as British. But the new wave of English nationalism has destroyed all that for me. Me too. Always will.. Ihaven't encountered that |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 7, 2022 19:04:46 GMT
@isa Much of the Beeching cuts were a shocking and shortsighted destruction of infrastructure. There are several lines that if still in existence would be heavily used now (Witney to Oxford springs to mind, the road is a horror show). Many of them could have been mothballed rather than ripped out as often happened in other countries (I remember a teenage holiday in France walking disused and overgrown but still intact lines). Here it almost seems as though there were a deliberate attempt to destroy and build on old lines precisely to stop them being re-used. I've heard it said that the lobbying of the oil/motoring industry may have had a say in this at the time but I've no idea if there's any truth in that. The Monsal trail between Buxton and Bakewell is good for walking. If they hadn't taken the track up it might have become a steam heritage line. Peak Rail had a long term vision to restore that line but I'm not sure if they're still intent on that, or just running what they already have. |
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Post by Danny on Feb 7, 2022 19:24:35 GMT
Kier Starmer attacked by a mob of anti vaxer nutters outside of parliament had to be rescued by the police. not so much of the nutters please. i dont know what they were arguing, but the evidence is that vaccinating around 30% of the population as South africa did, is really all thats cost effective. much the same as for flu.
Two anecdotes. i was speaking to another nurse today who was of uch the same view as myself, that the response to covid has been ridiculously excessive. from the very start. also incensed at being required to be vaccinated. also indeed of the view he had covid winter 2019-20, so a little later thn myself but oart of the general outbreak in hastings.
spoke to someone else who ony had covid in november. I was interested to hear him describing the loss of sense of taste, exactly the same as i experiencd in 2019. a unique identifier syptom of of a moderately sevre covid. Interestingly, he had had the vaccination. he felt it was a good thing he had because it was bad enough anyway. I reflected on the fact vaccination does no improve your resitance to bein infected at all, after a couple of months, although it is supposed to help prevent severe cases. maybe it does, but even assuming so there mist be a crossover point where it moves from not preventin infection to having a real effect in limiting severe cases. From his example, it sounded like his case was quite similar to mine where i had no vaccine. he is 5 years younger, which reduces his covid risk by half, though fel he was generally susceptible to respiratory diseases.
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2022 19:34:51 GMT
@danny
You demean the case, people threatening a mp while one carries a noose and repeating spaffers shit are nutters.
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Post by Danny on Feb 7, 2022 19:43:05 GMT
The general state of the epidemic as reported by zoe seems to be some of the regional hotspots settling down, with overal UK R at 1.1. covid-assets.joinzoe.com/latest/covid_symptom_study_report.pdfDaily new cases seem to be showing a slowdown of the rise of the second omicron peak currently happening, where if it follows the same pattern as the last peak will probably come in just a little lower. About 200,000 new cases per day. Government numbers only report less than half this number of daily new cases and arent showing a second peak of cases. i expect thats because of a shortage of tests. The nurse i spoke to today said that even in the hospital, they had run out of covid tests. Which is pretty outrageous considering the number we have been wasting testing kids. you might think someone could have prioritised supply to hospitals where presumably they are trying to stop spread to actually vulnerable people. looking at age groups, cases amongst kids are falling but amongst other age groups rising, thats where the current increases are coming from. Although you might think more cases amongst older people could lead to more hospitalisations, it doesnt seem to be happening. maybe because they dont have any tests, so no one is noticing? Demonstrating a lot of so-called covid admissions were simply people there for other reasons, who happened to have covid? My informant further confirmed problems were due to staff shortages, staff off sick (whether actually ill or sent home)...not the numbers of covid patients. He also suggested some of the propaganda news items about hospitals simply did not make sense to staff. All in all, the number of cases is worse than when government called for new restrictions. But the penny seems to have finally dropped there never was an issue which needed mandatory interventions. |
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Post by Danny on Feb 7, 2022 19:45:41 GMT
@danny You demean the case, people threatening a mp while one carries a noose and repeating spaffers shit are nutters. i am not the sort of person who either does or suports stringing up MPs. But if anyone is to blame for that its Johnson, and the sort of politics which seeks to win an argument not through facts and reasoning but through propaganda lies and character attacks on opponents.
It is of course true labour have supported the useless lockdown restrictions, if anything even more than have conservatives. So they might expect to face some protests. people are getting angry. In a way, it makes sense that seeing Johnsons administration flouting its own regulations which obviously they do not believe in, also directs hatred against labour who supported those same useless restrictions.
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Post by robert on Feb 7, 2022 20:22:26 GMT
One line that was on the Beeching closure list but which escaped the axe is the mid Wales line from Craven Arms in Shropshire to Newport. It meanders through mid Wales and is a most scenic route, much used by walkers and cyclists, who can hop on and off at the many stations along the route. The reason it was never closed was apparently due to the fact that it passed through a number of marginal constituencies and no one was brave enough to wield the axe. The Heart of Wales line. It runs from Shrewsbury to Swansea via Llanelli and the Sugar Loaf Mountain stop is about 3 miles from me. www.heart-of-wales.co.uk/From wiki "The Heart of Wales line (Welsh: Rheilffordd Canol Cymru) is a railway line running from Craven Arms in Shropshire to Llanelli in southwest Wales. It serves a number of rural centres, including the nineteenth-century spa towns Llandrindod Wells, Llangammarch Wells and Llanwrtyd Wells. At Builth Road, two miles (3.3 km) from the town of Builth Wells, the line crosses the former route of the earlier Mid Wales Railway, which closed in the 1960s." I was wrong about Newport it is a you say Lanelli but there seems to be confusion over where it starts. Hardly a point to argue about though.😊 |
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Post by pete on Feb 7, 2022 23:49:58 GMT
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Post by moby on Feb 8, 2022 7:38:27 GMT
The Heart of Wales line. It runs from Shrewsbury to Swansea via Llanelli and the Sugar Loaf Mountain stop is about 3 miles from me. www.heart-of-wales.co.uk/I was wrong about Newport it is a you say Lanelli but there seems to be confusion over where it starts. Hardly a point to argue about though.😊 Apologies Robert didn't mean to quibble. I appreciated your post as I love that line. I think the confusion arises because some of the trains end at Craven Arms and some go on to Shrewsbury. The trains don't actually stop at some of the stations en route unless you specifically ask the guard! |
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Post by ladyvalerie on May 11, 2022 17:20:15 GMT
Well sometimes I go out by myself
And I look across the water
And I think of all the things, what you're doing
And in my head I paint a picture
Why don't you come on over Colin?
Colin? Colin? Colin?
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Post by birdseye on May 12, 2022 19:57:02 GMT
EmCat - "With some of the largest corporations having revenue larger than the GDP of some nations, what is to stop Microsoft or Meta or Weibo deciding to buy plots of land, and then declaring them to be "Part of the federation of Meta-land"?" It's already happened, except that they don't buy land - they buy governments. Why do you think those Russians bankroll ours? I guess its a latter day form of colonialism certainly as now practised by the Chinese government. Much less likely with companies not least because governments dont like the idea of anyone else having their level of power. So just as Putin jailed the richest oligarch, the Chinese broke up their biggest hi tec company and the Yanks split the big oil company decades ago, govenments crush competition. They themselves however are immune - what can the courts etc do to stop China buying up the third world? |
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