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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 22:45:44 GMT
Mercian It was/I’m not - well, maybe a little but that’s better than most of the alternative models.
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 22:46:12 GMT
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I suppose that's from since partygate became big news again? It'll take some clawing back. I agree with those who think Johnson's days must surely be numbered.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 22:47:16 GMT
New YouGov poll has CON down to just 28%. This is 17% down on GE2019 Lab 38 (+1) Con 28 (-5) LDem 13 (+3) Green 7 (+1) RefUK 4 (-1) (via Smithson) Be fair: roc still takes that to well over 30%. |
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Post by James E on Jan 12, 2022 22:51:22 GMT
New YouGov poll has CON down to just 28%. This is 17% down on GE2019 Lab 38 (+1) Con 28 (-5) LDem 13 (+3) Green 7 (+1) RefUK 4 (-1) (via Smithson) The two main parties should be pretty even by March.  |
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Post by domjg on Jan 12, 2022 22:52:11 GMT
domjg I thought stereotyping was the norm for comedies. That's what makes them funny. Why pick on the French anyway. The Germans and British airmen who appear are equally lampooned. No doubt the bbc will get round to banning it, eventually. I honestly have no problem with ‘Allo ‘Allo my comment was meant in jest! I loved it when I was a kid. It took the Michael out of everyone and made the ‘bad guys’ human. I’m aware of the other show as my other half has been known to indulge and it’s a kind of glossy American imagined cartoon of Frenchness. |
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 22:55:09 GMT
Does anyone else wonder about the timing of these revelations? After all, the party was 18 months ago. Lots of people must have known about it - for a start the 100 who were invited. I'm amazed that it hasn't been leaked before, but also wonder who decided that this was a good moment, and why? All I can think of is that it's to steal the thunder from Covid restrictions being removed soon. Therefore suspects would be an opposition party, or sympathiser?
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 22:56:30 GMT
Or possibly a Tory with leadership ambitions?
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Post by domjg on Jan 12, 2022 22:57:59 GMT
New YouGov poll has CON down to just 28%. This is 17% down on GE2019 Lab 38 (+1) Con 28 (-5) LDem 13 (+3) Green 7 (+1) RefUK 4 (-1) (via Smithson) Wowser.. The need for that don’t know party is growing all the time.. Wonder how many of that extra 3% to LD is direct from con and in which part of the country? |
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Post by jib on Jan 12, 2022 22:58:08 GMT
mercianA pretender no doubt. Johnson was an useful idiot for far greater intellects within the Tory party. Nevertheless, to have a PM who is fundamentally dishonest is unprecedented.
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Post by oldnat on Jan 12, 2022 22:59:16 GMT
The latest revelations/allegations - that 2 of his wife's pals, who worked for Gove and not at No 10 - were present, surely destroys Johnson's pretence that he thought this was just a No 10 work meeting that he joined?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 22:59:38 GMT
mercian: Earl Errol would confuse Scottish speakers. Maybe try standing in Glasgow and add a bit of gentle anti-Scottish humour - which I think you would be very good at.
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Post by eor on Jan 12, 2022 23:01:08 GMT
eor Indeed it must remain a mystery to us all. Mind you it isn't every post some related to correcting the errors of someone called " edge of reason. " Touche. I thought the phrasing was sufficiently OTT as to be clearly tongue in cheek, but evidently I missed somewhat. Again. They had a baby  And now amidst the sleep deprivation and generally knackering impacts of it all, I'm clearly finding both my ability to tell when a poster is being serious and my ability to judge the tone in my non-factual responses are misfiring somewhat. Ta for the friendly warnings that I'm off my game steve and domjg , I will hopefully adjust pretty soon tho. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 23:01:27 GMT
Or possibly a Tory with leadership ambitions? That is almost certainly why Sunak was away all day - busy sending anonymous emails to the press from Devon. |
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Post by oldnat on Jan 12, 2022 23:02:09 GMT
Therefore suspects would be an opposition party, or sympathiser? How many of such people do you imagine work in Downing St, and could have sent a copy of Reynold's e mail to ITV (or to someone who would have done so?) |
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Post by jib on Jan 12, 2022 23:02:25 GMT
Just listening to Zawahi on Peston...wood, thick.
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 23:03:05 GMT
mercian A pretender no doubt. Johnson was an useful idiot for far greater intellects within the Tory party. Nevertheless, to have a PM who is fundamentally dishonest is unprecedented. Agree a pretender. How about Lloyd George for dishonesty? |
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Post by jib on Jan 12, 2022 23:04:05 GMT
Just listening to Zawahi on Peston...wood, thick. Should add, very well qualified for a Johnson cabinet! |
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Post by jib on Jan 12, 2022 23:06:13 GMT
mercianYou are scraping the barrel there matey. A known philanderer for sure, but he left a +ve legacy which the ridiculous characterture that is BoJo can only dream of.
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 23:07:16 GMT
mercian : Earl Errol would confuse Scottish speakers. Maybe try standing in Glasgow and add a bit of gentle anti-Scottish humour - which I think you would be very good at. Yes, I can hear my hustings speech now "Hello, my Scotch friends, I am here to bring hope and civilisation to your part of my country. Och Aye the noo!" etc |
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Post by steve on Jan 12, 2022 23:12:49 GMT
Impact on polling already evident from the normally Tory favouring yougov
LAB: 38% (+1)
CON: 28% (-5)
LDEM: 13% (+3)
GRN: 7% (+1)
REFUK: 4% (-1)
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 23:14:33 GMT
Notable that both Truss and Sunak were slow to back the PM and gave decidedly half hearted support. Along with that YG poll, I suspect this indicates that we are now witnessing the inevitable decline and fall. Aside from the conclusions of the investigation, which would, I'm fairly sure, hand the decision back to MPs rather than be couched in terms of certain death for the PMs career, it was always going to be the reactions of voters that would determine Johnson's fate. Had Tory MPs felt that this was an issue having ittle real effect on the doorsteps, then things would be different, but a 28% poll score scuppers that hope. Interesting also to see the YG poll of Conservative members from a couple of days ago, where they showed support for Johnson remaining, while also indicating Sunak and Truss would make better leaders. There is though an awareness there. While 45% (vs 39) thought Johnson can be trusted to tell the truth,66% of them thought the general public probably or definitely didn't think he could be. That clearly suggested that Con members recognise they are not in touch with popular opinion. Still 79% of them think they will ein the next election, although it's very finely balanced whether they think Johnson will be leading them. That's quite odd, when you think about it. Tory members overwhelmingly think they will win, but don't really know who the leader will be. I tend towards the observation made by mercian regarding Sunak's Asian heritage, but my sense is that this will be less of an impediment than his general style and demeanour. A perfectly groomed Silicon Valley style former city banker who parades very expensive tastes, with a record of scuppering spending projects in the north, doesn't strike me as the kind of man to fire up the red wall. I suspect the Conservatives are in some difficulty now, with the prop of Brexit now well and truly kicked away. |
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Post by jib on Jan 12, 2022 23:15:55 GMT
Impact on polling already evident from the normally Tory favouring yougov LAB: 38% (+1) CON: 28% (-5) LDEM: 13% (+3) GRN: 7% (+1) REFUK: 4% (-1) via @yougov That's a double digit Labour lead! Where is the optimist that said the Tories would soon be ahead? |
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 23:16:12 GMT
mercian You are scraping the barrel there matey. A known philanderer for sure, but he left a +ve legacy which the ridiculous characterture that is BoJo can only dream of. Marconi scandal, Maundy Gregory? He did do some good stuff too of course - as has Boris by delivering Brexit. |
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 23:20:34 GMT
I tend towards the observation made by mercian regarding Sunak's Asian heritage, but my sense is that this will be less of an impediment than his general style and demeanour. A perfectly groomed Silicon Valley style former city banker who parades very expensive tastes, with a record of scuppering spending projects in the north, doesn't strike me as the kind of man to fire up the red wall. I suspect the Conservatives are in some difficulty now, with the prop of Brexit now well and truly kicked away. But at least he knows how to comb his hair and do a parting! |
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Post by peterbell on Jan 12, 2022 23:20:52 GMT
Evidently the UGOV poĺ was completed before PMQs. What would the result be if conducted tomorrow.
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Post by pete on Jan 12, 2022 23:21:57 GMT
Does anyone else wonder about the timing of these revelations? After all, the party was 18 months ago. Lots of people must have known about it - for a start the 100 who were invited. I'm amazed that it hasn't been leaked before, but also wonder who decided that this was a good moment, and why? All I can think of is that it's to steal the thunder from Covid restrictions being removed soon. Therefore suspects would be an opposition party, or sympathiser? I think Cummings and I'm reading on twitter its not over. |
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Post by jib on Jan 12, 2022 23:22:37 GMT
mercianWith all due respect- and I supported leaving the EU Superstate - the Brexit deal is not a baked cake. A new PM will be back to Brussels PDQ for amelioration.
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Post by eor on Jan 12, 2022 23:23:34 GMT
eor /Robert I don't think there's a more readily polarised discussion to be had anywhere than the one that relates to who our favourite comedians may be. Humour is quite a personal thing and some comedians and/or certain comedy can have one person beside themselves with laughter whilst leaving another completely mirthless. Completely agree, I find it far easier (and often more accurate) to predict whether someone I know will like a particular bottle of wine than whether they'll find a particular comedian funny, and the former is tricky enough with some! :-) This might be me being more cynical than you (once again! :-) ) but IMO it's not that he's done the odd off-colour gag that some people continue to hold against him, it's that he's calculatedly differentiated himself in a very crowded Grumpy Leftie field by repeatedly picking an array of deliberately shocking targets, getting himself niche (and very lucrative) status as being Outrageous. He's effectively made a lot of money from punching downwards in some extremely nasty ways over a lengthy period of time, and to gloss over that and say the political gags are an example of punching upwards is, to me, like someone saying that Jim Davidson does a brilliant routine about tax evasion and is thus aiding social equality. That was why I replied, not because I imagine for a moment there's any point in trying to argue about whether someone is actually funny or not. |
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Post by pete on Jan 12, 2022 23:25:30 GMT
Impact on polling already evident from the normally Tory favouring yougov LAB: 38% (+1) CON: 28% (-5) LDEM: 13% (+3) GRN: 7% (+1) REFUK: 4% (-1) via @yougov That's a double digit Labour lead! Where is the optimist that said the Tories would soon be ahead? Tbf they said level pegging. It's not over. The British public have short memories and Bojo the clowns past indiscretions have been forgiven. |
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Post by jimjam on Jan 12, 2022 23:27:43 GMT
To be fair to Turk, he made his level pegging by March suggestion before this weeks revelations.
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