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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:47:07 GMT
@mandolist Congratulations on your unbeaten 50. Nice cricket reference. Mandolist's achievement is worthy of a gentle ripple of applause from the members in the pavillion. But no more. The innings is underway but not complete. Given that she is just playing with a little mandolin I think 50 not out is brilliant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:47:12 GMT
graham ... By 1992, Kinnock was almost frightened of his own shadow, over-cautious (apart from his Sheffield aberration when the genuinely rapturous and large crowd got him believing he was on his way) and inhibited. He fell between many stools in that election and had lost his campaigning zeal and sharpness. He looked unnatural and overspun, even allowing Major, of all people, to steal a march on him with his arch soap box mounting and son of a circus performer routine. I was young and stupid in 1992 but I remember seeing Kinnock interviewed a few days after the result and freed from the burden of having to say the right thing he was very open and relaxed with his opinion. I recall thinking "why didn't you say all this last week?" |
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Post by catfuzz on Jan 12, 2022 13:48:51 GMT
alec "Red Wall seeing definitive proof that this lot are all part of the metropolitan elite scratching each others backs and living life under their own rules." - Can't believe they needed that anyway. When people want to believe something I guess.. I suppose if you you believe your passed relatives are 'turning in their graves' as you've been persuaded to vote Tory then you're going to want to do everything to convince yourself that you haven't been taken for a ride. Unfortunately they have been taken for a ride so they're just going to have to live with images of spinning relatives! What actually is the point of “turning in your grave”? It wouldn’t seem to achieve a lot really. Perhaps it’s part of the governments new energy strategy - if we hook up the deceased to the grid and the government continues its gaffe strewn administration, there’ll be enough energy supply to avoid the worst of the coming crisis. Made in Britain and all that... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:51:49 GMT
If I've only just considering these nostrums of the TWs and realised how vacuous they are.
I think the 'No fate' line is a quote from The Terminator. So maybe not to be taken as ancient wisdom.
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 13:54:21 GMT
Doesn't sound like Conservative MPs are buying the excuse.
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 13:56:52 GMT
@crofty - "What actually is the point of “turning in your grave”? It wouldn’t seem to achieve a lot really."
Can't recall the American who was buried standing up so his relatives couldn't dance on his grave, but for him I guess the equivalent would be 'slumping forward in an somewhat ungainly fashion in his grave' or somesuch?
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 12, 2022 13:56:58 GMT
Nice cricket reference. Mandolist's achievement is worthy of a gentle ripple of applause from the members in the pavillion. But no more. The innings is underway but not complete. Given that she is just playing with a little mandolin I think 50 not out is brilliant. I'm sorry but the recent term 'batter' offends my ears, when it should be 'batsman', but mandolinister is enough to send one over long on. |
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Post by robert on Jan 12, 2022 13:57:40 GMT
eor /Robert I don't think there's a more readily polarised discussion to be had anywhere than the one that relates to who our favourite comedians may be. Humour is quite a personal thing and some comedians and/or certain comedy can have one person beside themselves with laughter whilst leaving another completely mirthless. I've seen it within my own family and circle of friends. I think Steve Coogan is a very, very funny man, and Alan Partridge a wonderful comic creation. My wife can't stand either. We both love Dave Allen however. She finds Peter Kay hilarious. I'm far less struck. On it goes. As for Frankie Boyle, I did confine my admiration to his political satire and said nothing about some of his more controversial gags in the past that have landed him in trouble. I watched him in the flesh at Wolverhampton Civic Hall about 12 years ago. He's a skilled gag teller with natural comic timing. Some of his material was very funny, some not. It was an enjoyable hour or so but I'm not lionising him. He's picked some wrong targets for some insensitive jokes in the past. Not the first generally liked comedian to have done so either. At the end of the day, he's a jester. No more no less. We mustn't be too pompous and earnest about the trade he plys. ================================================================================== I don't disagree with what you say, after all we are all different. I will agree with your wife regarding regarding Coogan and Kay by the way. I guess what is termed alternative comedy has never really appealed to me. In a free society, of course we would be able to choose what to watch but ever more stuff from earlier decades is now censored by a left wing bbc, where it should be sufficient to place a warning notice at the start, referring to changing attitudes. One day, Frankie Boyle himself will likely be banned but I wouldn't be in favour of that either, as clearly some do like him, despite his offensiveness and I find no difficulty using the tv channel changer to watch something else. After all, we all have the right to be offended.😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:01:28 GMT
@tw Re Sunak's Rocks and Hard Place. David Smith on QE in Times today. BoE have set two triggers for Monetary tightening ( QT):- Bank rate at 0.5%= Cease reinvesting QE redemptions-ie steady run down of the stock. Bank rate at 1%=Start selling off QE assets . MPC meet on Feb. 3 Rishi can no longer rely on BoE to cover new borrowing. You can probably think of as many requirements to borrow ( or tax ) as I can at the moment ! It's certainly a big list and he'll face stiff internal opposition if he tries to raise more tax (beyond fiscal drag impact). BoE might change their 'plan' and we've discussed how they should look at, what is for now 'temporary' inflation (ie base effects), but Rishi has very limited room for manoeuvre - as would a LAB CoE if they were in #11. |
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Post by thexterminatingdalek on Jan 12, 2022 14:02:16 GMT
Next opinion poll on Johnson should be interesting. Also - what on earth can the ubiquitous Sue Gray report back that is positive for him - and yet believable I assume she'll conclude that since Downing Street is Crown Estate land and therefore the rules didn't apply. I can imagine the response that will elicit, but he'll be able to claim the inquiry exonerated him. If he lasts that long. He looks shocking, another eight years, or however long it'll take to overtake Thatcher, of weekly events like today's doesn't look likely, either physically or politically. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:06:11 GMT
Given that she is just playing with a little mandolin I think 50 not out is brilliant. I'm sorry but the recent term 'batter' offends my ears, when it should be 'batsman', but mandolinister is enough to send one over long on. mandolinist is a batslady I believe. (They’re the ones who always shout out “Oh golly!! I hit it!!! Throw another one for me !!!” - and sort of spoil the game.) |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 12, 2022 14:14:04 GMT
I'm sorry but the recent term 'batter' offends my ears, when it should be 'batsman', but mandolinister is enough to send one over long on. mandolinist is a batslady I believe. (They’re the ones who always shout out “Oh golly!! I hit it!!! Throw another one for me !!!” - and sort of spoil the game.) Surely the feminine of mandolinist is a mandolinista? 'Just one Cornetto.......' |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:18:26 GMT
Some polling from YG (see previous comments amount how much the stories are already 'priced in' and reflected in 'tells the truth' etc)
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Post by steve on Jan 12, 2022 14:21:53 GMT
To rely on the defence that crown immunity applies would be effectively to concede that laws only apply to others and this was the intent.
While it's true to say the head of state can literally get away with murder ( so much for the conceit of all equal under the law) it would be a push to try and defend a piss up as intended to be ignored if it involved the prime minister and only illegal if it was any one else.
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Post by steve on Jan 12, 2022 14:24:18 GMT
@tw
96% awareness on a political issue is exceptional.
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Post by steve on Jan 12, 2022 14:26:37 GMT
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Of course @borisjohnson could have asked his wife, Carrie Johnson, who was with him and drinking (gin, I’m told), whether they were at a party, if he wasn’t sure
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Post by oldnat on Jan 12, 2022 14:28:20 GMT
My guess.
The Cabinet Office will see the Gray Report before anyone else does. My guess is that, if it is damaging to the PM, they will ask the Met to investigate whether a criminal offence has taken place, and thus the report can't be published as it concerns an ongoing criminal investigation.
The PM will regret that it cannot be published, as promised, but that it is important that the legal process is allowed to proceed - no matter how long it takes.
Meanwhile, attention will move onto the civil case against Nonce Andy and Lizzie's jubilee clip.
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Post by neilj on Jan 12, 2022 14:30:59 GMT
Thought Johnson looked a broken man today
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 12, 2022 14:35:03 GMT
alec I really hope that Tory VI does take a hit now, otherwise I fear we have gone the same way as the US in that Trump could effectively do or say anything and his supporters would stay loyal.
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Post by thexterminatingdalek on Jan 12, 2022 14:40:13 GMT
To rely on the defence that crown immunity applies would be effectively to concede that laws only apply to others and this was the intent. While it's true to say the head of state can literally get away with murder ( so much for the conceit of all equal under the law) it would be a push to try and defend a piss up as intended to be ignored if it involved the prime minister and only illegal if it was any one else. As I said, it wouldn't be a good look, but doesn't stop it being technically true. If I had Ms Gray's ear, I might be tempted to suggest she didn't go there. If it later came out that her inquiry had been tampered with, it wouldn't be a good look either for her or number ten. He's stuffed. If he's gone by this time next week I won't be surprised. That was brutal. It might take one more revelation, but does anyone imagine the well of evidence of misdemeanours has run dry? Where there's an email there's bound to be a circulation list somewhere. I assume whoever leaked the email has a pretty good idea where that might be found. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:43:17 GMT
Some polling from YG (see previous comments amount how much the stories are already 'priced in' and reflected in 'tells the truth' etc) So he is toughing it out. Dunno what Sue Gray is going to say. Perhaps he does ? Just putting the definition of " a party" on one side for the moment-standing back, what he essentially said was -this was a mistake-should have told them to pack it in **-people are offended-understand why and apologise.........but look at the achievements on vaccination/Omicron/ Live with the Virus etc etc...........donne- moi un break. So we await more Polls ( as ever) to see if voters do . Does the Bigger Picture trump Partygate on GE VI ? I presume Con MPs will be watching like hawks. **...rather than joining them  |
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 14:50:16 GMT
steamdrivenandy - "Surely the feminine of mandolinist is a mandolinista" No, a 'mandolinista' is 19th Century Italian radical, common around the time of the Italian unification struggle. The Mandolinistas saw it as their patriotic duty to eradicate the new fangled guitar, which they saw as a foreign cultural object and as part of efforts by the Austro-Hungarian empire to subjugate the new Italian national identify and weaken the unification cause. The Mandolinistas became famous for their revolutionary violence, including the assassination of numerous 'fancy pluckers', as they called them, cutting their fingers off and stringing their bodies up from trees using only traditional cat gut, an Italian tradition reprised by both the Fascists and Partisans in the WWII era. They were known to rampage at night through the streets of Rome and elsewhere, chanting "Il mio mandolino perseguiterà le tombe dei vostri figli", which roughly translates as "my mandolin will haunt your children's graves", as they hunted down guitar players in their merciless pursuit of cultural purity. By the late 1860s the movement had largely been superseded by the Guerrieri Salsiccia movement, (the Sausage Warriors) who believed Teutonic sausages were polluting Italian cuisine and ... [OK - that's enough - Ed.]
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Post by Danny on Jan 12, 2022 14:52:21 GMT
Instead he has carried on, surely having some awareness that he wasn't up to the detail of the job and that things would eventually come crashing down around him. Its possible, having cast himself as the leader of leave, a campaign he expected to lose, he has tried to make brexit so awful - in the name of delivering it fully- that undoing this folly will happen sooner rather than later. Covid proved something of a complication. |
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Post by domjg on Jan 12, 2022 14:52:58 GMT
alec I really hope that Tory VI does take a hit now, otherwise I fear we have gone the same way as the US in that Trump could effectively do or say anything and his supporters would stay loyal. Yes, I find that a terrifying state of affairs as it indicates nothing matters except beating your supposed political enemy regardless of the cost. A total triumph of negativity. |
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 14:54:42 GMT
I should have said - they didn't like synthesizers either. Sorry c-a-r-f-r-e-w. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:57:08 GMT
Yes, I find that a terrifying state of affairs as it indicates nothing matters except beating your supposed political enemy regardless of the cost. A total triumph of negativity. Something which UKPR's Tribal Warriors would never dream of thinking.  |
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 14:57:17 GMT
This is even worse - "The Downing Street post-PMQs lobby briefing has just finished. Boris Johnson’s press secretary told journalists the PM did not see the email sent by Martin Reynolds, his principal private secretary, to staff inviting them to the party."
So he wasn't even invited, but still gatecrashed the party?
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Post by domjg on Jan 12, 2022 14:59:25 GMT
Yes, I find that a terrifying state of affairs as it indicates nothing matters except beating your supposed political enemy regardless of the cost. A total triumph of negativity. Something which UKPR's Tribal Warriors would never dream of thinking.  |
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Post by domjg on Jan 12, 2022 15:01:36 GMT
If he resigns I'll be so pissed off. The Tory party have to live with this millstone around their neck now so no-one forgets that they brought us to this point.
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Post by mercian on Jan 12, 2022 15:13:21 GMT
I used to love Benny Hill and Dick Emery (I can feel the looks of anger and contempt from Barbara and Lululemon!). Oooh! You are awful! |
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