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Post by mandolinist on Jan 12, 2022 12:48:27 GMT
Ooops, suitably admonished. I claim speed of posting and stupidity as my excuse. Oh he gets his name spelt a lot worse than that.... However, if you use my simple “how to spell Keir properly” lesson, using easy-to-remember-poetry which is really easy to remember, you will never get it wrong again. Here it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ”I before E excepting after K.” Hope that helped. Hugely, thanks. |
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Post by thexterminatingdalek on Jan 12, 2022 12:48:34 GMT
Almost never watch any political coverage but happened to notice the Graun were featuring the PM’s embarrassment just now, so briefly looked in. Made me wonder if his supporters in high places have installed nod-ometers to check how enthusiastically, and how many times, members of his ‘elite’ front bench nod at his replies. Truss seemed by far the best toady in the room - but I am not privy to the official figures of course. Does she normally have that many lines on her forehead? Despite the mask, she looked in pain to me. |
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Post by steve on Jan 12, 2022 12:48:35 GMT
tancred Inclined to agree with your last the overall negative press probably reduced Labour support but I suspect the nic proposal shifted actual votes. Nothing Labour could do about the Tory media but could have avoided own goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 12:50:12 GMT
Just wondering if there is a way in which opposition parties can club together to force a vote on “The Prime Minister should resign” ??
By doing so they would either force some Tory rebels to stand up and be counted or for the whole parliamentary party to be seen backing him, and therefore implicated in his behaviour- and, at some time, potentially face the consequences.
Just a wee thought, as Ole Nat might say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 12:51:45 GMT
Oh he gets his name spelt a lot worse than that.... However, if you use my simple “how to spell Keir properly” lesson, using easy-to-remember-poetry which is really easy to remember, you will never get it wrong again. Here it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ”I before E excepting after K.” Hope that helped. Hugely, thanks. Great.I shall patent it and use that feedback in my publicity brochure. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jan 12, 2022 12:51:59 GMT
I was 25 in 1992, and still fairly 'wet behind the ears' in many ways. I was so surprised that Labour lost because I had the impression people were tired of the Tories after 13 years. I attributed the Labour defeat to the hostility of the Tory press, especially the Mail, Express and Sun. In those days the papers were much more influential than now; it wasn't just the old who read them but the younger age groups as well. The Sheffield rally didnt help. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOgB3Smvro |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 12:52:14 GMT
Any fans of Stephen Toast out there?
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Post by mandolinist on Jan 12, 2022 12:52:24 GMT
Just wondering if there is a way in which opposition parties can club together to force a vote on “The Prime Minister should resign” ?? By doing so they would either force some Tory rebels to stand up and be counted or for the whole parliamentary party to be seen backing him, and therefore implicated in his behaviour- and, at some time, potentially face the consequences. Just a wee thought, as Ole Nat might say. I guess that would be a vote of no confidence wouldn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 12:53:35 GMT
Can’t believe people are discussing Kinnock and 1992 when we have a pretty serious mess at the very top RIGHT NOW!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 12:55:54 GMT
Just wondering if there is a way in which opposition parties can club together to force a vote on “The Prime Minister should resign” ?? By doing so they would either force some Tory rebels to stand up and be counted or for the whole parliamentary party to be seen backing him, and therefore implicated in his behaviour- and, at some time, potentially face the consequences. Just a wee thought, as Ole Nat might say. I guess that would be a vote of no confidence wouldn't it? Well, I guess so. Are they specific to an awful PM or do they apply to the entire government? I was just musing on ways to isolate him and force the toadies to make a choice. A lot harder for Tory MOs than Labour generally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 12:57:20 GMT
I am a bit concerned that, as my post count closes on 300, I might not be rewarded suitably.
Anyone confirm if that’s the case? If so I shall do some practice.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 12, 2022 12:59:30 GMT
Can’t believe people are discussing Kinnock and 1992 when we have a pretty serious mess at the very top RIGHT NOW!!! Come on Crofto, I can spell Kinnock. Keith Stormer always defeats me. Anyway Mark, Anthony Wells lost son, tells us we mustn't discuss PMQs. He may withdraw stars off the site's serial offenders. |
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Post by mandolinist on Jan 12, 2022 13:00:33 GMT
I am a bit concerned that, as my post count closes on 300, I might not be rewarded suitably. Anyone confirm if that’s the case? If so I shall do some practice. No idea, I am still scrabbling towards "full member". |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 12, 2022 13:01:06 GMT
My political journey is a slow one.
I'm still fighting the 1992 election.
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Post by mandolinist on Jan 12, 2022 13:02:25 GMT
Does this make it 50?
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 13:05:22 GMT
Officer, I only burgled the house for 25 minutes, so it doesn't really count as a crime, does it?
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 12, 2022 13:06:32 GMT
I am a bit concerned that, as my post count closes on 300, I might not be rewarded suitably. Anyone confirm if that’s the case? If so I shall do some practice. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jan 12, 2022 13:07:09 GMT
Thinking back to 2010 GE, I'm wondering how things would've panned out if Cameron hadn't agreed a referendum on the EU. UKIP would've damaged the Tories, maybe more than Labour and Labour might've won. That would've left Cons and UKIP fighting in the background but no pressing need for any action on the EU and possibly no austerity, or maybe austerity lite. It would've been interesting to see how long Brown continued as PM and who came after him - maybe the other Milliband. 2015 Cons and UKIP still sparring and Labour through on the rails again. No Brexit ref, no years of hoo hah in parliament, no May, no Johnson and the Tories still with some really good MP's and shadow ministers.
On the other hand, Brown might have accepted the Browne report on tuition fees, which he commissioned just before the election and we might now have unlimited tuition fees (which was one of Browne's recommendations) and Labour might have lost the student vote entirely. Counterfactual history is always fun. |
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 13:12:16 GMT
Using the garden because fresh air is bad for the virus, I was only there for a short time, I didn't realise it was a social event....
Just waiting now for the parrot ate my homework defence to get trotted out.
A really weak, childish, pathetic response.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 12, 2022 13:14:10 GMT
Johnson getting roasted.....and rightly so. Good grief. What sort of a party is he attending now, then?? |
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Post by mandolinist on Jan 12, 2022 13:18:00 GMT
Meanwhile, in the courts, the Good Law Project have won a case against the Government concerning the VIP lane in the awarding of contracts. Sleaze, corruption and lies, quite a charge sheet before competence is even considered.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 12, 2022 13:19:27 GMT
Hmmmm, there seemed to be sufficient numbers of Tory MP's willing to rally round so perhaps that '54' is a way off. I would have thought if you were a Tory and seriously concerned about Johnson's electability now would be the time to strike - wait to late and the rot has set in with the electorate etc. I would be surprised, based on today's PMQ's, if 54 has been reached / will be reached this week.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 12, 2022 13:20:19 GMT
Can’t believe people are discussing Kinnock and 1992 when we have a pretty serious mess at the very top RIGHT NOW!!! Happier times mate. We were in the EEC. Ms Houston was always loving you. First Premier League season and Viller almost won it. QPR were fifth. D Beckham played his first senior game. We had gas storage facilities |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:27:04 GMT
Next opinion poll on Johnson should be interesting.
Also - what on earth can the ubiquitous Sue Gray report back that is positive for him - and yet believable
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 13:27:58 GMT
lululemonmustdobetter - I think this is about perfect, tbh. Johnson comes up with a puerile excuse that no one remotely believes, but the Conservative MPs are too spineless to do anything decisive, so it all rumbles on. In giving his defence - that it was a work event - Johnson has handed Sue Gray total power over him. If she says it wasn't work, he is toast, and if she says the PM is right and it was obviously not work related, that's the Red Wall seeing definitive proof that this lot are all part of the metropolitan elite scratching each others backs and living life under their own rules. Couldn't be better for Labour right now, and Starmer was right to go full on for the PMs resignation. Usually you only do that if you are certain you can force him out, but this time it works just as well as an accusation left hanging, because everyone, on all sides, knows that he should resign anyway. Only Johnson doesn't know that. Lovely to watch, as Jim Bowen used to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:29:11 GMT
@mandolist
Congratulations on your unbeaten 50.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:35:23 GMT
alecMaybe Sue will report that it WAS a party but that the PM understandably thought it wasn’t because people were wearing suits, there were no wimmin in attendance and everybody was talking bollocks. Hence it seemed like a normal day at the office, but sensibly taking place outside where social distancing is so much easier. Ergo he is innocent and was busy working hard in the interest of the whole country.
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Post by domjg on Jan 12, 2022 13:36:22 GMT
alec "Red Wall seeing definitive proof that this lot are all part of the metropolitan elite scratching each others backs and living life under their own rules." - Can't believe they needed that anyway. When people want to believe something I guess.. I suppose if you you believe your passed relatives are 'turning in their graves' as you've been persuaded to vote Tory then you're going to want to do everything to convince yourself that you haven't been taken for a ride. Unfortunately they have been taken for a ride so they're just going to have to live with images of spinning relatives!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:38:14 GMT
alec "Red Wall seeing definitive proof that this lot are all part of the metropolitan elite scratching each others backs and living life under their own rules." - Can't believe they needed that anyway. When people want to believe something I guess.. I suppose if you you believe your passed relatives are 'turning in their graves' as you've been persuaded to vote Tory then you're going to want to do everything to convince yourself that you haven't been taken for a ride. Unfortunately they have been taken for a ride so they're just going to have to live with images of spinning relatives! What actually is the point of “turning in your grave”? It wouldn’t seem to achieve a lot really. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 12, 2022 13:39:02 GMT
@mandolist Congratulations on your unbeaten 50. Nice cricket reference. Mandolist's achievement is worthy of a gentle ripple of applause from the members in the pavillion. But no more. The innings is underway but not complete. |
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