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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 15:25:04 GMT
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"to varying extents, the smaller islands in the vicinity"
So, yes, there is a question as to whether Îles Anglo-normandes should be included as part of the British Isles when the nearby Chausey Islands aren't. Just political prejudice from the Brits, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 15:28:18 GMT
@isa Much of the Beeching cuts were a shocking and shortsighted destruction of infrastructure. There are several lines that if still in existence would be heavily used now (Witney to Oxford springs to mind, the road is a horror show). Many of them could have been mothballed rather than ripped out as often happened in other countries (I remember a teenage holiday in France walking disused and overgrown but still intact lines). Here it almost seems as though there were a deliberate attempt to destroy and build on old lines precisely to stop them being re-used. I've heard it said that the lobbying of the oil/motoring industry may have had a say in this at the time but I've no idea if there's any truth in that. It might not have been entirely unconnected to the fact that Ernest Marples was the Minister of Transport at the time
His wiki entry explains all you need to know
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 15:29:05 GMT
There aren’t Scandinavian passports. So in this brave new world there’ll be English and Welsh passports and NI ones for people who don’t want Irish ones. passports? Lovely BLUE UKanian passports? Making you proud to be British? Great Tory Brexit thinking. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 15:30:12 GMT
I usually fall for the baiting. Now it's happening to someone else I don't feel quite so stupid.  Or are we making a principled stands for correct terminology or seeking to redress ancient grievances? |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 7, 2022 15:30:38 GMT
There aren’t Scandinavian passports. So in this brave new world there’ll be English and Welsh passports and NI ones for people who don’t want Irish ones. Maybe some people have an objection to the term 'British' as being 'appropriate', despite the historical evidence that it is the most apposite, indeed their objections seem mainly based on history too. So assuming that you can't use British Isles to describe the area of the globe, what would you consider to be an appropriate term? As far as our Scottish contingent are concerned tha ought t'be thankful it's not called 'The English Isles'!!!! Scottish, Welsh and Irish Isles are also banned as titles. My suggestions are either Greater Mercia Isles, or maybe just Outer Yorkshire. |
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Post by domjg on Feb 7, 2022 15:38:29 GMT
There aren’t Scandinavian passports. So in this brave new world there’ll be English and Welsh passports and NI ones for people who don’t want Irish ones. I've heard tell that even dyed in the wool NI unionists are exercising their rights to Irish passports at the moment for obvious reasons! |
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Post by ladyvalerie on Feb 7, 2022 15:41:48 GMT
There aren’t Scandinavian passports. So in this brave new world there’ll be English and Welsh passports and NI ones for people who don’t want Irish ones. passports? Lovely BLUE UKanian passports? Making you proud to be British? Great Tory Brexit thinking. I’m now a Tory? 😀😀😂 |
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Post by domjg on Feb 7, 2022 15:42:03 GMT
There aren’t Scandinavian passports. So in this brave new world there’ll be English and Welsh passports and NI ones for people who don’t want Irish ones. Maybe some people have an objection to the term 'British' as being 'appropriate', despite the historical evidence that it is the most apposite, indeed their objections seem mainly based on history too. So assuming that you can't use British Isles to describe the area of the globe, what would you consider to be an appropriate term? As far as our Scottish contingent are concerned tha ought t'be thankful it's not called 'The English Isles'!!!! Scottish, Welsh and Irish Isles are also banned as titles. My suggestions are either Greater Mercia Isles, or maybe just Outer Yorkshire. How about taking a leaf out of Scotland's book and calling the whole shebang the 'Western Isles' |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 15:42:17 GMT
Is Briotánach tú ispíní amaideach.😘 Ba as Baile Átha Cliath do mo sheanmháthair ach mheas sí gur Briotanach í.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 15:42:36 GMT
I think the railway bit resonated with me because just down the road from school, a busy mainline railway was crossed by a disused, but then largely intact, railway, and our cross-country runs used to involve traipsing through muddy bogs under railway viaducts and standing on the platform of an eerily deserted station, marvelling at the ingenuity and grace of Victorian engineering. It seemed such a waste for all that effort to have been so summarily binned. @isa Much of the Beeching cuts were a shocking and shortsighted destruction of infrastructure. There are several lines that if still in existence would be heavily used now (Witney to Oxford springs to mind, the road is a horror show). Many of them could have been mothballed rather than ripped out as often happened in other countries (I remember a teenage holiday in France walking disused and overgrown but still intact lines). Here it almost seems as though there were a deliberate attempt to destroy and build on old lines precisely to stop them being re-used. I've heard it said that the lobbying of the oil/motoring industry may have had a say in this at the time but I've no idea if there's any truth in that. Indeed. Certainly many lines closed by Beeching seemed to be erased from the landscape with indecent haste, and would be useful transport assets if still in existence. Thankfully, fragments remain to be enjoyed in the shape of heritage railways, although most tend to be detached from the remaining BR network. A few aren't, though, such as the Kingswear (Dartmouth) branch in Devon, which it is still possible to access direct via mainline steam charters. Makes for a very enjoyable day out. |
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Post by ladyvalerie on Feb 7, 2022 15:45:25 GMT
There aren’t Scandinavian passports. So in this brave new world there’ll be English and Welsh passports and NI ones for people who don’t want Irish ones. I've heard tell that even dyed in the wool NI unionists are exercising their rights to Irish passports at the moment for obvious reasons! domjg I’m going to apply for one. I think it takes ages. |
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 15:45:52 GMT
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I rather like the term "Emerald Isles" for the whole archipelago. England's green and pleasant land, Glasgow - the dear green place; as well as the island often referred to in that way.
Giving primacy to Ireland is some compensation for the centuries of exploitation by the Scots and English.
Of course, political prejudice from the Brits would prevent its adoption.
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Post by Mark on Feb 7, 2022 15:47:32 GMT
All posts should be written in big letters - so much easier to read. You can actually do this yourself on a Desktop/Laptop (someone else would have to help out for mobile devices). Here's how (Instructions for Firefox but should be the same or very similar for other main browsers). 1. View Menu (ALT V), Scroll down to 'Zoom', then in the Zoom sub-menu, click on "Zoom Text Only". (You *can* skip this step, but, doing so will magnify the whole page rather than just the text - and would even cause some of the page to go offscreen, meaning you would have to scroll across and back again all the time). 2. Use CTRL + to make the text bigger. (CTRL - makes the text smaller, CTRL 0 [zero] restores the text to the defalt size). Your browser will remember the text size for each website, so you can enlarge the text on one site while leaving the rest unaffected. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 15:49:30 GMT
@isa Much of the Beeching cuts were a shocking and shortsighted destruction of infrastructure. There are several lines that if still in existence would be heavily used now (Witney to Oxford springs to mind, the road is a horror show). Many of them could have been mothballed rather than ripped out as often happened in other countries (I remember a teenage holiday in France walking disused and overgrown but still intact lines). Here it almost seems as though there were a deliberate attempt to destroy and build on old lines precisely to stop them being re-used. I've heard it said that the lobbying of the oil/motoring industry may have had a say in this at the time but I've no idea if there's any truth in that. It might not have been entirely unconnected to the fact that Ernest Marples was the Minister of Transport at the time
His wiki entry explains all you need to know
My learned friend makes a telling point. I actually thought the loss due to the Beeching cuts was even higher than that, more like 7-8,000 miles. |
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 15:52:09 GMT
Not sure this Gutto Hari chap has quite understood the appropriate communications style for a serious PM - so just as well he's working for a clown instead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 15:53:29 GMT
Is Briotánach tú ispíní amaideach.😘 Ba as Baile Átha Cliath do mo sheanmháthair ach mheas sí gur Briotanach í. That's easy for you to say. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 15:54:48 GMT
Is Briotánach tú ispíní amaideach.😘 Ba as Baile Átha Cliath do mo sheanmháthair ach mheas sí gur Briotanach í. That’s exactly what I just said to the girls. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 15:56:23 GMT
ladyvalerie I've heard tell that even dyed in the wool NI unionists are exercising their rights to Irish passports at the moment for obvious reasons! domjg I’m going to apply for one. I think it takes ages. They ask you to do the accent first I believe. |
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Post by neilj on Feb 7, 2022 15:56:56 GMT
Not sure this Gutto Hari chap has quite understood the appropriate communications style for a serious PM - so just as well he's working for a clown instead. In fairness he said he wasn't a complete clown. They really should use that as their next election slogan 'Vote for Johnson, he's not a complete clown' 😜 |
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Post by Mark on Feb 7, 2022 15:57:25 GMT
You might want to check the full quotation rather than the truncated twitter trial version. She was , as you will know, talking about the Online Safety Bill ( but who cares about that ?) What she said was :- “We’ve had 10 years of the internet kind of having its own way now. We’ve seen some of the harms happening particularly to young people and adults within our society and it’s time now for us to do something about that. That’s why we’re bringing this bill forward.” Oh, ok, I stand corrected, it does put a different slant on things there, although, I would suggest that the effect is not dis-similar. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 7, 2022 15:58:05 GMT
Maybe some people have an objection to the term 'British' as being 'appropriate', despite the historical evidence that it is the most apposite, indeed their objections seem mainly based on history too. So assuming that you can't use British Isles to describe the area of the globe, what would you consider to be an appropriate term? As far as our Scottish contingent are concerned tha ought t'be thankful it's not called 'The English Isles'!!!! Scottish, Welsh and Irish Isles are also banned as titles. My suggestions are either Greater Mercia Isles, or maybe just Outer Yorkshire. How about taking a leaf out of Scotland's book and calling the whole shebang the 'Western Isles' I take their full title would be the Western Isles of Europe. Mmmmmmm - can't see that going down too well with Brexit supporters but it has a ring to it. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Feb 7, 2022 15:59:17 GMT
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I rather like the term "Emerald Isles" for the whole archipelago. England's green and pleasant land, Glasgow - the dear green place; as well as the island often referred to in that way.
Giving primacy to Ireland is some compensation for the centuries of exploitation by the Scots and English.
Of course, political prejudice from the Brits would prevent its adoption. That would definitely upset the White Cliffs of Dover Supporters Club. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 16:00:13 GMT
Not sure this Gutto Hari chap has quite understood the appropriate communications style for a serious PM - so just as well he's working for a clown instead. Had you read the full text ( yes-I know-its a chore ) you would have see that Hari believes he is working for a 10% clown !"He's not a complete clown, he's a very likeable character. "90% of our discussion was very serious but he's a character and there is fun to be had . He's not the devil like some have mischaracterised him."" Laura Kuensberg |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Feb 7, 2022 16:03:17 GMT
Is Briotánach tú ispíní amaideach.😘 Ba as Baile Átha Cliath do mo sheanmháthair ach mheas sí gur Briotanach í. That’s exactly what I just said to the girls. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 16:07:46 GMT
It might not have been entirely unconnected to the fact that Ernest Marples was the Minister of Transport at the time
His wiki entry explains all you need to know
My learned friend makes a telling point. I actually thought the loss due to the Beeching cuts was even higher than that, more like 7-8,000 miles. you could well be corrrect as there was a second Beeching Report which proposed further cuts in 1965 |
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Post by oldnat on Feb 7, 2022 16:12:29 GMT
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If you click on the Twitter link, you'll see the full text of Kuenssberg's thread reporting her conversation with Harri, so yes, I have read it in toto.
I had thought my reference to his communication style was obvious, but since it clearly wasn't, I'll spell it out.
Either he hasn't realised that the PM's Director of Communications job is to present an appropriate image of the work of Downing St to the public - especially after the damage done by partygate :
Or the strategy of continuing to present the PM as "Boris, good old bumbling Boris - always good for a laugh" in the belief that it was this image that endeared Johnson to the voters, and repeating the same trick will work again.
Reading the room is an essential political skill, and it appears that this skill is currently lacking.
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Post by hireton on Feb 7, 2022 16:16:36 GMT
Who has decided and by what authority that it is the "correct geographical term" and that any objection is "purely political prejudiced"? OK so we are agreed that there is no agreed authority and it is your preference to use the term "British Isles" citing as your reason a rather partial and incomplete understanding of the way in which the names of the islands of Britain and Ireland has developed and changed over the centuries (and it seems ignoring the views of the majority of the inhabitants of one of the two main islands which constitute the group). Notably, the Irish and UK Governments do not use "British Isles" in their joint agreements and it is the "British-Irish Council" or sometimes the "Council of the Isles" which brings together representatives of the UK (and its dependent island territories in the locality) and Ireland not the "Council of the British Isles". A simple geographical description would be Ireland and the British Isles. You are perfectly at liberty to show your purely political prejudices in calling Scotland whatever you want but that will not be authoritative. Of course, Pictland would be historically wrong as an alternative for Scotland. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 16:17:57 GMT
That’s exactly what I just said to the girls. No I’m not - I’m a son of god. |
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Post by alec on Feb 7, 2022 16:18:59 GMT
Easy targets for Labour at present, with the health recovery plan being so chaotic and the one target announced merely taking us back to the record cancer waiting times in 2015.
I do wish people would stop pretending that there is any delivery strategy here. Johnson can't deliver a pizza, and Sunak isn't much better. This is survival mode only, nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2022 16:19:33 GMT
“Pictland would be historically wrong as an alternative for Scotland.”
Pickyland?
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Or are we making a principled stands for correct terminology or seeking to redress ancient grievances?
