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Post by oldnat on Jan 11, 2022 21:00:56 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 11, 2022 21:03:49 GMT
@crofty
River Salwarpe had flooded where it meets the Droitwich Junction Canal. Towpath inundated in sections.
@sda
I've answered your question in my reply to Crofto above.
I've watched a bit of that YouTube cruising the cut footage. Interesting if you like canals. Esoteric interest though!
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Post by graham on Jan 11, 2022 21:36:26 GMT
I realise there is blood in the water just now-but do you think Turk's prediction is completely beyond credibility. ? If a week is a long time in politics, then 6 weeks is, well, six times as long  Stranger things have happened. For example, in 1992, with a bit over a month to go to the election, and a bookies that I passed on the way to work was offering odds of 5-1 for "Conservatives the largest party" (so not even an overall majority)[1]. This was because Labour were enough ahead that the result seemed almost like a foregone conclusion. Going the other way, and for 2017, the election was called because the Tories were enough ahead in the polls that the result seemed to be a formality. Hence, the prediction might seem right at the moment to be beyond credible, but equally, it might turn out to be spot on. [1] They were also offering a double of 120-1 for Tories as largest party and for Party Politics to win the Grand National. The bookies were probably glad that more people didn't take them up on their offer... Labour was never that far ahead during the 1992 election - never more han 7% in a poll and more generally 3% or so with some polls showing the parties neck and neck. That appeared to make a Tory majority unlikely but Labour was not likely to manage better than emerge as the largest party.Polling Day was April 9th - on 12th March Gallup had put the Tories 2.5% ahead. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 11, 2022 21:51:35 GMT
@crofty River Salwarpe had flooded where it meets the Droitwich Junction Canal. Towpath inundated in sections. @sda I've answered your question in my reply to Crofto above. I've watched a bit of that YouTube cruising the cut footage. Interesting if you like canals. Esoteric interest though! I take it the flooding wasn't bad enough to affect those Impney Green houses? Must be a tad noisy there with the motorway an' all. |
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Post by bardin1 on Jan 11, 2022 21:53:43 GMT
He was flattered by succeeding Grayling at Justice, where he was a genius by comparison. But then I'm better at climbing mountains than a mackerel is. I'm off with some bricks to rebuild Hadrian's wall tomorrow morning.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 21:55:10 GMT
@crofty River Salwarpe had flooded where it meets the Droitwich Junction Canal. Towpath inundated in sections. Blimey!!!!!! Do they issue you with one of those stiff brushes to sweep it back in again? |
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Post by jib on Jan 11, 2022 21:55:55 GMT
Labour was never that far ahead during the 1992 election - never more han 7% in a poll and more generally 3% or so with some polls showing the parties neck and neck. That appeared to make a Tory majority unlikely but Labour was not likely to manage better than emerge as the largest party. 1992 was a strange one. It was a choice the country soon regretted with a completely incompetent Government. Oddly familiar! |
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Post by alec on Jan 11, 2022 22:18:13 GMT
The possible lines of defence from Johnson really boil down to two options.
First, in the words of Ros Atkins - "It's possible [Boris Johnson] ventured into his garden and, to his surprise, found 30 people there".
Second, no rules were broken, because the rules don't apply to us.
Tough call which one to choose.
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Post by tancred on Jan 11, 2022 22:23:26 GMT
I do wish Ken would join this forum! He is my favourite Tory by some margin. |
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Post by guymonde on Jan 11, 2022 22:26:11 GMT
The possible lines of defence from Johnson really boil down to two options. First, in the words of Ros Atkins - "It's possible [Boris Johnson] ventured into his garden and, to his surprise, found 30 people there". Second, no rules were broken, because the rules don't apply to us. Tough call which one to choose. In the first case, no doubt he was incandescent with rage (as he was in the commons when he found out about the other party) and immediately reported it to the police |
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Post by neilj on Jan 11, 2022 22:28:11 GMT
Another tory mp not happy
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 11, 2022 22:28:57 GMT
The possible lines of defence from Johnson really boil down to two options. First, in the words of Ros Atkins - "It's possible [Boris Johnson] ventured into his garden and, to his surprise, found 30 people there". Second, no rules were broken, because the rules don't apply to us. Tough call which one to choose. In the first case, no doubt he was incandescent with rage (as he was in the commons when he found out about the other party) and immediately reported it to the police Does it make sense reporting a party to the police that the police are watching on security CCTV? |
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Post by alec on Jan 11, 2022 22:33:03 GMT
Maybe there is a third defence: I was completely trolleyed and have no memory of meeting thirty drunkards in my garden. Who puked in the begonias?
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Post by tancred on Jan 11, 2022 22:37:21 GMT
Labour was never that far ahead during the 1992 election - never more han 7% in a poll and more generally 3% or so with some polls showing the parties neck and neck. That appeared to make a Tory majority unlikely but Labour was not likely to manage better than emerge as the largest party. 1992 was a strange one. It was a choice the country soon regretted with a completely incompetent Government. Oddly familiar! It was The Sun wot won it!! |
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Post by oldnat on Jan 11, 2022 22:43:17 GMT
Alec
"Begonia" is a homophone for the first part of an exhortation to Johnson. The second part is a term inappropriate for polite society (if there members of any such on here).
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Post by alec on Jan 11, 2022 22:50:08 GMT
From the Guardian - UK former health secretary Matt Hancock has tested positive for the second time.
Amazing!
Hancock actually passed a test. Twice!!
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 11, 2022 23:16:36 GMT
From the Guardian - UK former health secretary Matt Hancock has tested positive for the second time. Amazing! Hancock actually passed a test. Twice!! I actually think Hancock is just the sort of touchy-feely politician the Tories need if they're going to reconnect with some of their lost voters in the metropolitan areas of the country. |
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Post by tancred on Jan 11, 2022 23:19:26 GMT
From the Guardian - UK former health secretary Matt Hancock has tested positive for the second time. Amazing! Hancock actually passed a test. Twice!! I actually think Hancock is just the sort of touchy-feely politician the Tories need if they're going to reconnect with some of their lost voters in the metropolitan areas of the country. He is 'touchy feely' alright!!  Lock up your wives and daughters! |
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Post by pete on Jan 11, 2022 23:33:32 GMT
TWs: The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselvesThat's a bummer. There was me banking on my birthday being the same date as usual this year, but if the future isn't set... And if my house gets struck by lightning, it will be nobody's fault but mine. Yeah, right... ********** If I've only just considering these nostrums of the TWs and realised how vacuous they are. Lets see if someone who has had a stroke agrees. |
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Post by eor on Jan 12, 2022 4:36:54 GMT
robbiealive -there'll be no stopping you now! I agree - Prof Howard was very balanced and temperate. Never took offence and often apologised for things he sometimes hadn't done. Such as shame he didn't come across. Yes the Prof is missed, I too hope he will join us here soon. |
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Post by eor on Jan 12, 2022 4:38:03 GMT
Neilj: Nothing will change the minds of the dyed in the wool supporters,that's always been the case. It's the ones in the middle who are willing and indeed have changed their view. This is where the next election will be won or lost Well, we have a reasonable selection of RoC folk posting here. As far as I'm aware, no Tory-inclined poster has proclaimed a change in his/her* VI away from Con because of recent revelations, or just general government ineptitude. True, there has been a bit of, "we must dump Boris so I can continue voting Tory" from the TWs and others, and some wailing and gnashing of teeth from Colin over various gloomy indicators. But, unless I've missed it, no straightforward change of intended VI. If that's wrong, and there are 2019 Tory voters here who would tick another box if asked to do so today, now's the time to set me right. Whether this apparent steadfastness of UKPR2's RoC contingent has anything to do with Steve's characterisation of Tory die-hards as "crotchety old farts living in large detached houses in Surrey", I couldn't say. * I wrote his/her, but on reflection I think all our self-proclaimed Tories here are male. Again, an opportunity to set me right if I'm wrong. Not sure if it's to do with the Surrey-based fartiness or whether it's just basic maths? CON support has dropped from about 40% to about 34%, so about 1 in 7 of the Tory support would have moved. Might need to identify quite a few more than the recently estimated 5 on here before you can confidently expect that trend to be represented, even before you adjust for folk on here being somewhat more entrenched than normal! |
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Post by eor on Jan 12, 2022 4:41:07 GMT
ladyvalerie I was posting under a different name until Anthony banned me for years for not being sufficiently nice about Tories. Yes it's hard to fathom what the studiously apolitical AW could have seen to be politically biased in your contributions. Except for almost all of the content, of almost every post. Very blinkered chap really. |
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Post by eor on Jan 12, 2022 4:44:52 GMT
On the comedy front, Frankie Boyle is a good example of someone who I think gets it right in terms of political satire. He can be a bit over the top for some, and he's clearly someone on the Left politically, but he's savage about all politicians. This is punching upwards and he does it brilliantly. Yes, his courageous stances on the sexual attractiveness of female athletes and the hilarious difficulties of caring for severely disabled children are an inspiration to us all. |
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Post by robert on Jan 12, 2022 6:38:34 GMT
Frankie Boyle a comedian? He's about as funny as a broken leg and nasty with it. And people complain about Jim Davidson!
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Post by Danny on Jan 12, 2022 6:41:01 GMT
From the Guardian - UK former health secretary Matt Hancock has tested positive for the second time. Amazing! Hancock actually passed a test. Twice!! Not amazing. We have to get used to the idea people willl catch covid regularly and come to no harm. Just work through it as normal.
Sending everyone home each time is stupid.
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Post by neilj on Jan 12, 2022 6:46:56 GMT
Front pages of all newspapers are leading on Johnson's BYOB party this morning and not in a good way.
When the Telegraph, Times, Daily Mail, Sun etc have turned against you. You know you are are in trouble.
Meanwhile looks like the Government are not putting any Minister on the Today programme among others today. Don't blame ministers not wanting to put themselves in the firing line to try and defend the indefensible
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Post by Danny on Jan 12, 2022 6:53:23 GMT
A week is a long time in politics, Mar'22 is 2mths away but most importantly a GE is over 2yrs away. Plenty of time for 'events dear boy' .......The only scenario I can see is if a VoNC is imminent and the numbers are likely to force Boris out (we've discussed the issue of 15%-50% before). Boris has individually made a load of gaffes but as with Starmer then a 'new broom can sweep the room' dumping the baggage with Boris. I seem to remember former Corbyn shadow cabinet member Starmer used to use the slogan ' Under New Management' when he took over (not that he does slogans of course  ) It does look as if the various parties have been leaked in such way as to force Johnson into a corner. Much better for him had they all come out at once, and then he could have just apologised. But instead he was faced with a deniable party which he did and criticised others for partying, indeed there were resignations. Then with a party he cannot deny because eye witnesses have placed him there. A trap he seems to have fallen into.
But that doesnt mean the party as a whole wants him to quit. If they dont he wont be going anywhere. Someone wants him out though.
And an early election remains a possibility. The gas price rise is now expected to last two years. The situation looks very much like the conditions in the 70s which let to ten years of inflation and financial crisis in the UK. In a couple of years to the scheduled election, the UK economy will be looking pretty bad at that point and a rout of conservatives might be expected. A number of con MPs might think an election this spring would be in their best interest.
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Post by neilj on Jan 12, 2022 7:11:11 GMT
Mark Francois' book 'Spartan Victory' is out now!
There's a review of it in the current Private Eye.
'. . . Francois's self-published memoir - rejected by 24 Remain supporting publishers, he says - is written in a style we might christen High Partridge. . .
You can read this memoir two ways. For fans of Mark Francois . . . this is one man's struggle to prevent Britain becoming a "vassal state". For everyone else, it's an unselfconscious window into the psychology of the most ardent Breiteers.
First, a Brexiteer is an underdog, no matter how many titles or millions or country houses he has. . .
Second, a Brexiteer must compare everything to World War Two. . . Mark's own D-Day comes on 29 March 2019 when he saves Britain from overly close alignment with Brussels on phytosanitary standards. . .
You suspect Francois often sits at home, dreaming about future battles with Europe, and frantically polishing his spear.'
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Post by Danny on Jan 12, 2022 7:18:56 GMT
ladyvalerie and domjg - Prof Stephen Reicher made the pont today that the 'freedom' mantra aired by the right wing is a complete inversion of the reality. Freedom is the rights main messaging weapon, but they take a very distorted meaning of the concept. Freedom can't apply to everyone equally, because freedoms interract with each other, and freedom at one level needs controls in another. In the case of covid, they are using freedom to shift responsibility for dealing with the disease onto the individual. It's freedom for the government to wash their hands of the responsibility to provide citizens with a safe environment. To make us really safe then, we should always be confined to our homes. Not in any world i would support, nor i would hope any right thinking human. I mentioned the other day, that increased severity in children now may be because we have prevented them catching circulating safe corona viruses for the last two years, which would have vaccinated them against covid. |
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Post by alec on Jan 12, 2022 7:29:10 GMT
@dany - "To make us really safe then, we should always be confined to our homes."
What a load of rubbish you talk.
South Korea hasn't had a lock down.
You are an extremely foolosh man.
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Lock up your wives and daughters!
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