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Post by pete on Nov 15, 2024 20:37:55 GMT
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Post by graham on Nov 15, 2024 20:39:42 GMT
Labour's polling at sub 30% remains dire for a new Government.Polls are not getting much attention at the moment - nor are local by election results - but I expect that to change when the party gets hammered at the Local Elections and Parliamentary by elections by a range of opposition candidates.
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 15, 2024 21:33:06 GMT
Labour's polling at sub 30% remains dire for a new Government.Polls are not getting much attention at the moment - nor are local by election results - but I expect that to change when the party gets hammered at the Local Elections and Parliamentary by elections by a range of opposition candidates. You are still thinking in 2 (or 2.5) party terms when England now has a 5 party system and Scotland and Wales a 6 party one. The principal opposition party is also polling sub 30%. Its a whole new ball game. |
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Post by turk on Nov 15, 2024 22:08:54 GMT
Pete
Meanwhile in non fascist U.K. police enter a school to tell a 9yr old off for calling a class mate a name and two secondary school girls are interview by the police because they said called another pupil smelled like a fish and warned them about non hate crimes.
In a unrelated incident a telegraph journalist was facing a police investigation over another non hate crime when two policemen turned up at her home. I’m surprised you left wingers over Trumps appointments seem to be totally mute at what’s happening in the U.K. over your civil liberties.
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 15, 2024 22:23:34 GMT
However, the word transgenderism did not exist until 1965 when coined by psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University in his 1965 reference work Sexual Hygiene and Pathology; the timeline includes events and personalities that may be viewed as transgender in the broadest sense, including third gender and other gender-variant behavior, including ancient or modern precursors from the historical record. So, on the basis of your arguments, eunuchs were women? |
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Post by guymonde on Nov 15, 2024 23:50:22 GMT
Labour's polling at sub 30% remains dire for a new Government.Polls are not getting much attention at the moment - nor are local by election results - but I expect that to change when the party gets hammered at the Local Elections and Parliamentary by elections by a range of opposition candidates. At least you'll be happy, Graham |
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Post by guymonde on Nov 16, 2024 0:16:24 GMT
I was asked 3 times canvassing for the local council in 2022 what was my definition of a woman. I had never heard this questioned before and, after considering for a bit I asked them why it was a matter of interest in the context of a local councillor. This was not a question they could answer. No doubt political enthusiasts like you and Turk can easily explain why you are losing sleep about this matter What an interesting question and particularly interesting phrasing. For most of my life people were either men or women. It was as fundamental a part of the world we inhabited and were brought up in as it is possible to describe. Quite recently ( or so it seems) people started falling out- in public- over whether women were what I had always thought they were. When you read a little further the rows were about whether men were men as well and a word which i had never thought about-Gender-was being described in articles and headlines and was the subject of quite extraordinary public rows. .An internationally famous author was being roundly criticised in the most offensive terms because she believes what I had always believed about biological sex. Before long Sporting bodies were actually altering their rules of competition to accommodate Gender and column inches of the media sports pages were taken up in discussing the effects of biological mem participating in elite Female Sport. And it was being demanded of senior politicians like Keir Starmer that they state publicly whether " a woman can have a penis". And when puzzled people like me asked questions about all this and how it had come about we were asked questions like the one you just asked me. And we ( or at least me) realised that without our noticing ,and without consultation ,a small minority of the population had managed to establish a new cultural norm about the nature of men and women which was being imposed as unquestionable and irrefutable on the rest of us . I have met as far as I know 2 people who are trans. One was someone called Carol who worked in a local museum, who was dressed like a woman and had long blonde hair in a typically female style but had a male voice and features. I found it mildly disconcerting but not problematic - actually I joked about it with my wife.The other one helped out at the 2022 election. I have no idea what her story was: seemed like a woman but I didn't know if she was trans, a feminine man or a woman who dressed like a man. S(he) was a very likeable person - young and full of zest and humour. I also listen to a football podcast where the Italy expert is Nicky Bandini - a female who used to be Paolo Bandini www.thewrap.com/football-journalist-nicky-bandini-comes-out-as-trans-nothing-much-changes-in-terms-of-my-work/All this was new to me and doesn't worry me in the slightest. I can see a very rare issue about athletes and can imagine a problem in single sex toilets, changing rooms etc but it is a very rare incidence and I'm pretty clear the vast majority of transexuals will avoid causing any problem or embarrassment for them or others. The recent controversy about it seems to me to have stemmed from the Daily Mail |
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Post by graham on Nov 16, 2024 1:16:41 GMT
Labour's polling at sub 30% remains dire for a new Government.Polls are not getting much attention at the moment - nor are local by election results - but I expect that to change when the party gets hammered at the Local Elections and Parliamentary by elections by a range of opposition candidates. You are still thinking in 2 (or 2.5) party terms when England now has a 5 party system and Scotland and Wales a 6 party one. The principal opposition party is also polling sub 30%. Its a whole new ball game. To an extent that may be the case - but it is still pretty well unprecedented for a new Government to lose circa 20% of its GE vote share within four and a half months of being elected. Not even Thatcher managed that in 1979. |
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Post by graham on Nov 16, 2024 1:18:24 GMT
Labour's polling at sub 30% remains dire for a new Government.Polls are not getting much attention at the moment - nor are local by election results - but I expect that to change when the party gets hammered at the Local Elections and Parliamentary by elections by a range of opposition candidates. At least you'll be happy, Graham That is a non sequitur. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 16, 2024 2:46:20 GMT
Pete Meanwhile in non fascist U.K. police enter a school to tell a 9yr old off for calling a class mate a name and two secondary school girls are interview by the police because they said called another pupil smelled like a fish and warned them about non hate crimes. In a unrelated incident a telegraph journalist was facing a police investigation over another non hate crime when two policemen turned up at her home. I’m surprised you left wingers over Trumps appointments seem to be totally mute at what’s happening in the U.K. over your civil liberties. Totally agree. Kids call each other names. So what? The thing about the journalist is very worrying, though expected (by me). Very Kafkaesque. Not allowed to be told what the so-called crime was caused by or who the accuser was. Terrifying. apparently this Non-Crime Hate Incident law was brought in under Blair and no doubt there have been precious ludicrous injustices but I think they've made a big mistake going after a respected journalist for some Tweet that happened years ago and was deleted anyway. I expect a knock on the door any day now, Just to make sure, I'd like to say that "trans women" even if they have all their bits cut off are not women. Come and get me rozzers!  I'd love my day in court. It's on my bucket list. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 16, 2024 2:52:03 GMT
Fancy having some dickhead wearing an anorak in your back garden? Or is it only for people with a bit more land than you? Thought so. If anyone comes into my garden without permission they may well get an arrow coming into them. If there were no "state" and legal protection, it would be clubs and spears that would govern who controls what. Bow and arrows in my case. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 16, 2024 2:54:09 GMT
Didn't the Supreme Court rule that anything he does as a Presidential act is automatically legal? No. It would have to be something within the authority of the president. If it wasnt within the authority of the president, then it would not be a presidential act. That's exactly what I said isn't it? |
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Post by neilj on Nov 16, 2024 6:09:47 GMT
We live in a new world, Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson wants to keep the did Future Attorney General Matt Gaetz Have Sex with a High School Girl Report a secret. At the same time Trump wants to skip the usual FBI background checks on his Cabinet choices Lastly Trump wants to avoid Senate scrutiny of his appointments by unilaterally appointing nominees while the Senate is in recess It's almost as if there's something to hide with his choices.... www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/woman-told-house-ethics-committee-saw-gaetz-sex-minor-lawyer-says-rcna180435A woman told the House Ethics Committee that she saw Matt Gaetz, who is President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for the U.S. attorney general, have sex with a minor, her lawyer said Friday. |
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Post by neilj on Nov 16, 2024 6:12:54 GMT
It's not as if Trump's desired Cabinet includes
Accused child sex trafficker in charge of justice.
Suspected foreign asset in charge in intelligence.
Accused sexual assaulter, with a tattoo associated w white supremacism, for defense.
An anti-medicine conspiracy guy in charge of health
Oh...
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Post by steve on Nov 16, 2024 7:11:31 GMT
I see Turk has got agitated about something he's read in the daily express.
No police aren't entering schools to investigate minor playground and classroom incidents.
Schools liaison officers may while they are there have staff bring to their attention minor allegations of name calling these are recorded as no crime no action incidents. If Turk doesn't understand that it means it isn't a crime and it isn't investigated.
The liaison officer may or may not be asked to speak to the children involved.
The extent of this would be it's not nice to say nasty things to other children!
Bloody Nazis!
The other incident he refers to seems to be a mash up of various right wing allegations. I think the one he's referring to related to a rIght wing journalist who said the police turned up to question her about a post she'd deleted a year earlier in twitter, the Essex police have said that's not why the two officers called at her door, didn't come in and they have police body worn camera evidence to confirm that this visit had nothing to do with her posts on Twitter.
Meanwhile in U.S. news the new nomination for health Secretary seems to think additives in water can turn children gay.
This goes along the line of the far right " anti woke " agenda where they get into a real tizzy about elementary teachers mentioning that all people aren't heterosexual God fearing Americans and that also makes them turn gay.
I understand the fear ,when I was seven when my primary school teacher, Mrs Hadleigh, lovely lady, mentioned the second world war.
I immediately had a burning desire to invade Poland.
It's rampant fascism.
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Post by alec on Nov 16, 2024 7:42:57 GMT
Sounds like the right's obsession with trans issues continues on here.
Live & let live, and let's leave the terribly minor issues that are only designed to inflame behind. Men have been dressing up as women and vice versa for as long as history. Who really gives a f***?
Let's get on with the important stuff, and let people be whoever they wish to be. It's one giant yawn for man/womankind.
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Post by jib on Nov 16, 2024 7:55:20 GMT
Sounds like the right's obsession with trans issues continues on here. Live & let live, and let's leave the terribly minor issues that are only designed to inflame behind. Men have been dressing up as women and vice versa for as long as history. Who really gives a f***? Let's get on with the important stuff, and let people be whoever they wish to be. It's one giant yawn for man/womankind. Well put. We all sit somewhere on a scale, and what a dull place it would be otherwise! |
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:06:10 GMT
Labour's polling at sub 30% remains dire for a new Government.Polls are not getting much attention at the moment - nor are local by election results - but I expect that to change when the party gets hammered at the Local Elections and Parliamentary by elections by a range of opposition candidates. You are still thinking in 2 (or 2.5) party terms when England now has a 5 party system and Scotland and Wales a 6 party one. The principal opposition party is also polling sub 30%. Its a whole new ball game. Well not quite a whole new ball game. FPP still succeeded in returning a thumping majority for labour as the minority with the largest vote share. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:11:59 GMT
Pete Meanwhile in non fascist U.K. police enter a school to tell a 9yr old off for calling a class mate a name and two secondary school girls are interview by the police because they said called another pupil smelled like a fish and warned them about non hate crimes. In a unrelated incident a telegraph journalist was facing a police investigation over another non hate crime when two policemen turned up at her home. I’m surprised you left wingers over Trumps appointments seem to be totally mute at what’s happening in the U.K. over your civil liberties. I gather british police often have a police officer permanently attached to a school. Anyone wondering why police are too busy to catch traditional villains, well i guess its because their staff have been diverted to jobs such as this. |
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Post by hireton on Nov 16, 2024 8:18:02 GMT
"And we ( or at least me) realised that without our noticing ,and without consultation ,a small minority of the population had managed to establish a new cultural norm about the nature of men and women which was being imposed as unquestionable and irrefutable on the rest of us . " Ah poor old colin, a victim of the trans "agenda". It looks like the old boy didn't notice the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the Equality Act 2010.Still it's only a couple of decades ago. |
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Post by colin on Nov 16, 2024 8:26:45 GMT
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:27:18 GMT
but it is still pretty well unprecedented for a new Government to lose circa 20% of its GE vote share within four and a half months of being elected. Not even Thatcher managed that in 1979. I don't believe it did. This sort of low level reported VI so soon after an election may be unprecedented, but I think its about the questions pollsters ask and the imminence of an actual election. There are two different things - who a person intends to vote for, and whether they actually support any particular party. Polling fairly well reported the outcome of the election in terms of who people did vote for. But its dubious they ever really supported any of the parties on offer. Pollsters do not ask if you like a party, only if you plan to vote for it. Since there are no currently scheduled important elections, no reason to tell a pollster you would vote one way or another. Also of course, the imperative was to get rid of the conservative government. Having done that, the motivation to vote lab is gone until the next election and a new decision to be made. labour didnt lose this support, it simply never had it. |
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Post by steve on Nov 16, 2024 8:32:49 GMT
Danny
The met police, I don't know the arrangements of other forces, have had school liaison officers or the equivalent for over 60 years.
They aren't based in schools , they often work as part of the juvenile offenders teams.
They aren't always police officers PCSO's sometimes take these tasks and they aren't diverted from other tasks to do it.
One of the things I was offered by the met when I left was a role of civilian investigator attached to a juvenile crime unit working with schools and social services, clearly that wouldn't have been diverting me from anything.
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:36:51 GMT
No. It would have to be something within the authority of the president. If it wasnt within the authority of the president, then it would not be a presidential act. That's exactly what I said isn't it? He might claim that he acted and as president anything he did was a presidential act. But not everything he does is a presidentiual act if it exceeded the authority of the president. No doubt confusing for his underlings, because if he orders them to do something, if its outside his powers as president to do so but they do it anyway, they too could be in trouble. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:38:34 GMT
It's not as if Trump's desired Cabinet includes Accused child sex trafficker in charge of justice. Suspected foreign asset in charge in intelligence. Accused sexual assaulter, with a tattoo associated w white supremacism, for defense. An anti-medicine conspiracy guy in charge of health Oh... All sound hand picked so he has some blackmail on them. |
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Post by colin on Nov 16, 2024 8:40:25 GMT
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:42:44 GMT
No police aren't entering schools to investigate minor playground and classroom incidents.Schools liaison officers may while they are there have staff bring to their attention minor allegations of name calling these are recorded as no crime no action incidents. Well now, I am told by teachers that at last some schools have a police officer permanently assigned to their school, with their own office. I queried this but was assured it is the case. And indeed has been for some time in certain places. I asked if this was just part time and was told it was full. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:47:07 GMT
Sounds like the right's obsession with trans issues continues on here. I gather that current instructions to teachers, which presumably are still the instructions of the last right wing government, are that they are not to use the phrase 'trans' but instead talk about 'gender questioning' or 'gender fluid'. Struck me this is an attempt to undermine the existence of trans as an acceptable description, implying the person does not have a considered view of what they really are. Rather harks back to the idea that believing yourself to be gay was obviously evidence of insanity. |
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Post by colin on Nov 16, 2024 8:50:26 GMT
Rock & Hard Place :-
"Stephen Moore, who is supporting Trump as he prepares for government, said the president-elect had a mandate to push ahead with tariffs and was likely to do so in an effort to bolster American industry and create more jobs. Speaking from Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s residence in Palm Beach, Florida, Moore said the US would be “less interested” in a free trade deal with the UK if it moved into closer alignment with the European Union."
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 8:53:42 GMT
Rock & Hard Place :- "Stephen Moore, who is supporting Trump as he prepares for government, said the president-elect had a mandate to push ahead with tariffs and was likely to do so in an effort to bolster American industry and create more jobs. Speaking from Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s residence in Palm Beach, Florida, Moore said the US would be “less interested” in a free trade deal with the UK if it moved into closer alignment with the European Union." Times Presumably the EU would similarly be less interested in a trade deal with the Uk if it moved to closer alignment to the US. |
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