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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 15, 2024 10:45:26 GMT
They note that these same conditions are known to be elevated by covid infection also, and postulate that the spike protein is responsible. Yes, this is one of the things I wanted to flag up. That the next step is to see that some of the illness you might put down to Covid, might be due to the vaccine.
For example, something else I added for you a year ago, was the possible link with long Covid. How could the vaccine trigger long Covid one might ask? One idea is that the body is supposed to stop making spike protein a few weeks after taking the vaccine. But in some people, they may not stop making spike protein… |
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Post by alec on Nov 15, 2024 10:49:43 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 15, 2024 10:54:31 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - I think we've had various discussions on here regarding the spike protein. I know you've mentioned this, and I certainly have. Indeed, I flagged up the problems we have had with this, and why my partner has been advised not to risk further vaccination or contracting the disease. The paper I just cited does suggest that it's starting to appear as if the immune response to the spike protein is one of the major issues, which would explain the long term symptoms from infection as well as the vaccination, and why these impacts are starting to appear as cumulative. alec here is our earlier discussion where I was filling you in on the additional impacts, because you thought there might be only smaller impacts c-a-r-f-r-e-w - interesting to hear you had a bad reaction. Are you able to share more details? Mrs A suffered terrible gastric impacts which took six months to resolve. In terms of the spike protein and the vax, there have been studies finding the spike particles in heart linings and stomachs after vaccination, but only at very low levels and without the persistence of the spike after infection. Well it took about three weeks for my tummy to settle. But my guts are rather flaky since my op years ago, so I took some probiotics just in case, which may have helped, since it seems that the spike protein appears to be able to damage the bacteria in the gut, in particular the bifidobacteria. It seems you might be more susceptible to a bad reaction if your microbiome is a bit flaky, as mine is. I didn’t have a bad reaction to the first two shots, only the booster, but the booster was different to the first two. Anyway a probiotic with a variety of bifidobacteria might help. Some appear to have died from impacts on the gut if frail www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149/rr-20And… alec I’m still learning about it all, but a few things I have come across include a link between spike protein and long Covid, a paper on how gut bacteria may affect vaccine responses… gut.bmj.com/content/71/6/1106…And even a paper on a hypothesis that Ivermectin might help by feeding bifidobacteria to boost immunity. But haven’t had time to check this stuff out www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9309549/and here is the paper on the spike protein in the brain: SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Accumulation in the Skull-Meninges-Brain Axis: Potential Implications for Long-Term Neurological Complications in post-COVID-19 www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.04.535604v1 |
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Post by alec on Nov 15, 2024 10:56:33 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - "Yes, this is one of the things I wanted to flag up. That the next step is to see that some of the illness you might put down to Covid, might be due to the vaccine. Something else I added a year ago, was the possible link with long Covid. How could the vaccine trigger long Covid one might ask? One idea is that the body is supposed to stop making spike protein a few weeks after taking the vaccine. But in some people, they may not stop making spike protein…" I think it's getting quite difficult to separate out the individual effects from infection or vaccine, although there is good evidence from earlier periods that the severity and prevalence of illnesses is greater with infection than the vaccine. But it's certainly true that the mRNA jabs have been demonstrated to cause persistent production of spike fragments in some individuals. That's already been published on. I think we're in quite a difficult position now where we are seeing the limitations of this generation of vaccines, but because of the belief that was placed in them, it's very hard to shift institutional thinking to addressing the problem at source, which has always been the traditional approach of public health.
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Post by shevii on Nov 15, 2024 11:12:59 GMT
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Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 28% (-1)
CON: 27% (+2)
RFM: 17% (-1)
LDM: 13% (=)
GRN: 7% (=)
SNP: 2% (=)
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, 13-14 Nov.
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Post by alec on Nov 15, 2024 11:16:12 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - not altogether sure I registered those posts of yours. Interested to see that your issues started with the third shot. That's what a Korean paper found with rheumatoid arthritis and a couple of other inflammatory conditions. There was no significant increase until the third shot, and this led them to suspect a cumulative effect, which is also the thinking of the authors on the paper about psychological effects. I still feel there is a great deal we don't know about covid and by implication the vaccines, but the science is settling down to a general understanding that there are persistent long term effects, more akin to those already observed in SARS and MERS, and the idea of assuming covid is nothing more than a 'common cold' is fundamentally erroneous.
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Post by shevii on Nov 15, 2024 11:19:55 GMT
Can only see 4 of the 10 by elections so far with 4 Labour holds and mostly smaller drops in their support than they have been getting recently. Two in London where their vote share was down a tiny amount. Not so good outside of London and this one was close:
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The Nedge (Telford & Wrekin) Council By-Election Result:
🌹 LAB: 33.8% (-20.6)
🌳 CON: 33.0% (+7.0)
➡️ RFM: 22.7% (New)
🌍 GRN: 4.5% (New)
🙋 IND: 3.2% (-6.6)
🔶 LDM: 2.8% (-7.0)
Labour HOLD.
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Greens had a bad night (so far)- vote share down everywhere and especially in Redbridge where they had been putting in some sort of campaign- I assume due to the independent candidate.
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Wanstead Park (Redbridge) Council By-Election Result:
🌹 LAB: 46.9% (-5.5)
🌳 CON: 17.5% (-1.5)
🙋 IND: 14.2% (New)
🌍 GRN: 11.1% (-7.5)
🔶 LDM: 5.5% (-4.6)
➡️ RFM: 4.8% (New)
Labour HOLD.
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Post by alec on Nov 15, 2024 11:22:17 GMT
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 15, 2024 11:45:04 GMT
And so it begins: ‘We all have our eyes wide open’: Trump critics brace for dark time of retributionAt this rate it will be difficult to tell the difference between Trump's America and Putin's Russia. Members of Congress and other US public officials targeted for “retribution” by Donald Trump say they are taking extraordinary security precautions for themselves and their families and are now bracing for scenarios as extreme as the possibility of being rounded up and arrested, after Trump returns to the White House. |
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Post by steve on Nov 15, 2024 12:03:58 GMT
It's not shall we say been a great night for Labour in the locals.
It has however been pretty good for the home team.
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Chipping Norton (West Oxfordshire) Council By-Election Result:
🔶 LDM: 31.3% (+24.6)
🌳 CON: 29.7% (+9.0)
🌹 LAB: 27.2% (-34.2)
🌍 GRN: 11.8% (+0.5)
Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
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Post by steve on Nov 15, 2024 12:07:25 GMT
Couple of decent results in Milton Keynes as well.
Bradwell (Milton Keynes) Council By-Election Result:
🔶 LDM: 56.1% (+2.3)
🌹 LAB: 16.3% (-8.6)
➡️ RFM: 11.3% (New)
🌳 CON: 11.2% (-2.5)
🌍 GRN: 5.0% (-2.5)
Liberal Democrat HOLD.
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Broughton (Milton Keynes) Council By-Election Result:
🔶 LDM: 51.5% (+5.6)
🌳 CON: 23.8% (-2.2)
🌹 LAB: 15.9% (-5.5)
🌍 GRN: 6.1% (+1.2)
🏰 HER: 2.7% (+0.9)
Liberal Democrat HOLD.
Changes w/ 2024.
It's possible that the lib dems higher profile and Ed Davey 's very creditable progressive opposition stance at PMQ's are having an impact.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 15, 2024 13:16:17 GMT
My mother grew up on a farm, and others in her wider family had farms. When I was young we would fly over and stay, and I would get introduced to farming life. Even aged eight they had me milking cows (not very well), making honey, driving the tractor though my feet couldn’t reach the pedals. Me and my cousin would huff and puff dragging the milk churn on the trolley up the rather steep hill to the dairy. Everyone knew each other and traded with each other… it’s not just a job but a way of life that you build up over the years. And you can indeed do unique things - the honey might be quite unique and you can make things from what you farm to unique recipes. People take their cars to France to get wine from particular vineyards. Particular cheeses etc. Even aspects that aren’t as unique might be things you wish to preserve and do your bit to promote, like organic farming. Sure, farming has its own microcosm lifestyle, but its still the case farmers are essentially interchangeable. There was even a reality TV show recently where the prize was the tenancy of a farm, to the lucky winner from several contestants competing to be chosen to take it on. Are you arguing that as a nation we should preserve a hillbilly lifestyle, that we should specifically be giving tax breaks for this because its good to see some people living such an old fashioned lifestyle? Its not at all certain the children will want to continue such a lifestyle anyway: in fact it seems more likely than not that a farmer will not have exactly one child wanting to take on the farm, but will have zero, or more than one so the tax bill is irrelevant and the estate has to be split anyway, or one child who doesnt want it.
Now I have lived that lifestyle somewhat myself and come from a just about unbroken mutliple generation line of agricultural workers or farmers (one side anyway), but its really not for everyone. Nonetheless I rather think theres more people wanting to take it on than opportunities, not least because of the massive cost of a farm, so no shortage of new people to take one on. The issue should never be about difficulties passing it onwithn one family even where there is just one person wanting to take it on. It should be about why land is so expensive when the return is so low, whats causing that price hike, and is it because it has become an investment, not least part of that tax breaks on inheritance and other farm related tax avoidance schemes? But I return to be original theme. Under current law there is no reason a farmer needs to pay one penny in death duties to pass on a farm to his children on his retirment at standard retirement age. Its utterly extraordinary that so much has been made about closing a tax loophole which shoul never affect anyone passing on a family farm to their family anyway. What it might affect is tax dodgers.
Well once again, I wasn’t arguing for tax breaks! I suggested allowing it to be paid more gradually over time so the farm doesn’t have to fold. But if it comes to it, one might consider a partial tax reduction maybe under certain circumstances? If they kept it to do organic farming, say. Why not, we outright subsidise allsorts, pay people to research history and politics and economics and stuff. Do we need to subsidise yet more faux-lefty stuff? Did we need to subsidise BJ doing classics? Frankly given what was coming he needed to be doing logistics and immunity and stuff. Subsidising an organic farm might not just help make healthy food cheaper, but keep people employed, and keeping a couple of farms going might help keep a community going. You saw what happened when mines got shut down and communities struggled when nothing else sprang up? It might be even worse and the people who would have been farming end up having to take up a job making plastic tat that ends up in landfill. Oh, and another reason land may be expensive might be inflated property prices. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 15, 2024 13:25:15 GMT
And even if we accept the idea of improving productivity overall.. I am pretty staggered anyone would even question this as a hugely desireable goal. How you make it happen, thats a problem, but surely there must be universal agreement its the golden goose? I mentioned I have only to walk round the town to see why hospitality is in crisis. There are far too many outlets. Just making up some numbers, one restaurant 5 staff, ten customers a night immediate bankruptcy, 50 customers break even, 100 customers merriment and profits all round. It is helping none of the businesses that there are twice as many of them as there are customers to make them profitable. .Regarding productivity I was just inoculating against discussing whether or not we shouid be going for growth etc., as opposed to zero growth or even winding it back… Well working from home has reduced some demand. But hospitality has been hit repeatedly with rising rents, energy prices, food prices etc… which means having to raise prices, so fewer people go, as they are also struggling with cossie livs themselves. So fewer go and they have to raise prices even more etc. etc… not so long ago it used to be great, all these places to go, lots of live music.. be nice to have that back… We have had a policy of providing cheap labour. As a result companies have responded by creating industries whih use cheap labour. To change that you need to get rid of the cheap labour, and then they will consider whether maybe buying a machine would be a better idea. We have masses of demand for labour in the care sector without creating makework jobs in hospitality. Piling on costs may drive down wages even more. Creating more good jobs may naturally raise other wages. If costs aren’t crazy. Need to reduce rents, energy, food prices etc… as well But even if we increase productivity with machines, still might need to employ people. It’s not an either-or. Producing more with machines can support more higher-waged employment. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 15, 2024 16:26:21 GMT
neilj Kennedy's advocacy of the anti vaccine movement in American Samoa led directly to a huge cut in the uptake of measles vaccination a measles epidemic where nearly 20% of the entire population caught it and the death of 83 children. He's not just a lunatic brain worm invested nutter given the levers of power he's incredibly dangerous. In a country where half the electorate are badly educated and easily manipulated his chilling insanity could kill tens of thousands. And never forget the insane rapist who has given him this opportunity. The problem is authorities lie. So for example the last government pushing people to have covid vaccinations which in the end didnt benefit them. Once government start giving dishonest advice, then of course people will not believe them whatever they are saying. The same was rather true of the brexit campaign. Both lab and con have over the years blamed the EU for policies which actually originated in the UK. But this made Farages job easy when he wanted to prove the Eu was bad: what should lab and con have got up and said? Ok, we lied to you, it wasnt the Eu which caused immigration (etc) it was us. |
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Post by guymonde on Nov 15, 2024 16:26:48 GMT
Alec Isn’t Starmer the one on LBC couldn’t even define what a woman was. Instead aligning himself with those in the LGBTQ movement rather than the 50% of the U.K. who are women, seems like Starmer likes a bit of the identity bandwagon himself.j I'm not sure that the L bit of that movement would see Starmer's contortion as aligning with them. I know this is where angels fear to tread but I have the impression the L bit have a very clear idea of what a woman is. I was asked 3 times canvassing for the local council in 2022 what was my definition of a woman. I had never heard this questioned before and, after considering for a bit I asked them why it was a matter of interest in the context of a local councillor. This was not a question they could answer. No doubt political enthusiasts like you and Turk can easily explain why you are losing sleep about this matter |
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Post by Danny on Nov 15, 2024 16:29:51 GMT
I worry that this is starting to become an issue, and unless it's addressed honestly and sensibly, the issue has the potential to undermine confidence in vaccines across the board. Quite. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 15, 2024 16:36:18 GMT
They note that these same conditions are known to be elevated by covid infection also, and postulate that the spike protein is responsible. Yes, this is one of the things I wanted to flag up. That the next step is to see that some of the illness you might put down to Covid, might be due to the vaccine.
For example, something else I added for you a year ago, was the possible link with long Covid. How could the vaccine trigger long Covid one might ask? One idea is that the body is supposed to stop making spike protein a few weeks after taking the vaccine. But in some people, they may not stop making spike protein… But covid spike protein only mimicks human cell spike protein. The virus is copying our own mechanisms for cells to interact. If it is a perfect copy, then you might wonder whether we are creating antibody to our own cells? |
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Post by guymonde on Nov 15, 2024 16:40:14 GMT
With rapidly falling birth rates this is happening inmany parts of the country now, For all the coverage of a tiny few paying more for private school fees, it would be good to read just a bit more about the far bigger pressures faced by everyone else Of course it doesn't effect the kids of the media owning elite, so what is happening to 93% of kids isn't important compared to the 7% of kids who go to private schools and the even much smaller number of that 7% that will be effected ... greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/11/14/plumstead-primary-school-earmarked-for-closure-over-falling-numbers/A consultation is set to begin on closing a primary school in Plumstead after a dramatic fall in the number of pupils. Gallions Mount school, in Purrett Road, has gone from having 295 primary-aged children in January 2021 to 228 this January. Greenwich Council said its monitoring had found that numbers had fallen even further since then, to 169. When I became a councillor 9 years ago there was a big panic about primary school capacity. Lots of temporary buildings, more buildings acquired, a Free School opening in an empty office block. The Free school folded before its planned new building was started and the local schools now have a shortage of pupils despite a lot of development locally. I don't know what will happen to the 3 new secondary schools that opened recently in the area, to accommodate the anticipated influx. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 15, 2024 16:41:45 GMT
But it's certainly true that the mRNA jabs have been demonstrated to cause persistent production of spike fragments in some individuals. That's already been published on. Once infected by the vaccine shot, body cells will presumably carry on producing the new proteins programmed into then until and unless the immune system kills them off. This sort of vaccine is quite analogous to an infection itself in that it will infect body cells, thats how it works, and they will die as a result of this. Thats not how deactivated whole virus jabs work, where the injected material itself becomes the target of the immune system. |
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Post by EmCat on Nov 15, 2024 17:05:34 GMT
neilj Kennedy's advocacy of the anti vaccine movement in American Samoa led directly to a huge cut in the uptake of measles vaccination a measles epidemic where nearly 20% of the entire population caught it and the death of 83 children. He's not just a lunatic brain worm invested nutter given the levers of power he's incredibly dangerous. In a country where half the electorate are badly educated and easily manipulated his chilling insanity could kill tens of thousands. And never forget the insane rapist who has given him this opportunity. As with many of the president elect's staff choices, there have been some commentators saying "Well of course, they have been tagged, but the House or Senate won''t approve that particular person" They seem to be basing it on the ballot for majority leader to replace McConnell, where the vote went agains the MAGA candidate. However, as too many of them declined to vote to Impeach Trump (either first or second time), then the odds of most of the zanier picks being ratified is fairly high. There is also the threat given of "I may just have to do them as recess picks", which bypasses congress entirely. And then there is also what the MAGA supporters could do if they believe that one of the picks has been rejected by the "Deep State" (ie: non-MAGA Republicans). In other words, plan for the worst, and all of Trump's picks take up office. |
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Post by turk on Nov 15, 2024 17:42:26 GMT
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I doubt if Colin is losing any sleep over who what woman is I suspect he knows.
Personally I couldn’t give a toss over what people want to identify as ,I think it’s rather hilarious that anybody could honestly think that they are anything else but male or female unless your one of the very rare people born with 46xy gonadal dysgenesis or 47xyy syndrome or have Swyer syndrome no matter what surgery or clothing you choose to wear .
The whole point of the original post by Alec who seems to be under the illusion that identity politics or populist policies are somehow confined to the right when infact it’s embraced by all politicians no matter what side of the political spectrum they belong.
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 15, 2024 18:28:54 GMT
It's not shall we say been a great night for Labour in the locals. Nor a disastrous one. Final results: Lab 7 (-2) LD 4 (+2) Con 1 (+1) Green 0 (-1) |
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Post by jib on Nov 15, 2024 18:41:12 GMT
It's not shall we say been a great night for Labour in the locals. Nor a disastrous one. Final results: Lab 7 (-2) LD 4 (+2) Con 1 (+1) Green 0 (-1) Yes, the progressive parties took a bit of a beating there from the Tories and their sidekick party. |
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Post by steve on Nov 15, 2024 19:30:09 GMT
"Yes, the progressive parties took a bit of a beating there from the Tories and their sidekick party."
I didn't know your refuk party was standing
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Post by steve on Nov 15, 2024 19:34:26 GMT
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Post by steve on Nov 15, 2024 19:44:17 GMT
 The rapist has appointed his ultra right wing Sergio Gor as assistant to the president ( basically in charge of Whitehouse staff. Gor was formally CEO of a lie ridden right wing propaganda outlet. Here he is practising his salute. |
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Post by steve on Nov 15, 2024 19:47:33 GMT
What Borders on Stupidity?
Mexico and Canada.
Thoughts and prayers.
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Post by colin on Nov 15, 2024 20:22:50 GMT
I'm not sure that the L bit of that movement would see Starmer's contortion as aligning with them. I know this is where angels fear to tread but I have the impression the L bit have a very clear idea of what a woman is. I was asked 3 times canvassing for the local council in 2022 what was my definition of a woman. I had never heard this questioned before and, after considering for a bit I asked them why it was a matter of interest in the context of a local councillor. This was not a question they could answer. No doubt political enthusiasts like you and Turk can easily explain why you are losing sleep about this matter What an interesting question and particularly interesting phrasing. For most of my life people were either men or women. It was as fundamental a part of the world we inhabited and were brought up in as it is possible to describe. Quite recently ( or so it seems) people started falling out- in public- over whether women were what I had always thought they were. When you read a little further the rows were about whether men were men as well and a word which i had never thought about-Gender-was being described in articles and headlines and was the subject of quite extraordinary public rows. .An internationally famous author was being roundly criticised in the most offensive terms because she believes what I had always believed about biological sex. Before long Sporting bodies were actually altering their rules of competition to accommodate Gender and column inches of the media sports pages were taken up in discussing the effects of biological mem participating in elite Female Sport. And it was being demanded of senior politicians like Keir Starmer that they state publicly whether " a woman can have a penis". And when puzzled people like me asked questions about all this and how it had come about we were asked questions like the one you just asked me. And we ( or at least me) realised that without our noticing ,and without consultation ,a small minority of the population had managed to establish a new cultural norm about the nature of men and women which was being imposed as unquestionable and irrefutable on the rest of us . |
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Post by mark61 on Nov 15, 2024 20:25:19 GMT
I know I am a day or so late to post on the Farming/Inheritance tax debate, I would hate to see this become further polarised, now whilst I'm in favour of closing tax loopholes for those very rich who buy land/farms as a way of minimising tax, I would not want to see genuine family farms who are under pressure from purchasers/supermarkets who have the upper hand unduly penalised. I think Farmers and farm labourers should be considered as essential workers in the same way as we characterise Health Workers, Firefighters , The Police etc. the latter two categories get to retire early in recognition of the physical nature of their job, not so much those that work the land.
Their Skills are becoming increasingly rare, take time to learn and to aggregate the appropriate experience, and necessarily the hours are long, and If as Turk says we have an ageing workforce we are storing up a problem for the future, I suppose one of the benefits of family farming is the knowledge is easily passed on.
I would hope to see food security, food standards and bio-diversity seriously considered by Govt, a suitable subject for a royal commission to set a long term framework for the industry now we are out with the EU.
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Post by pete on Nov 15, 2024 20:35:17 GMT
However, the word transgenderism did not exist until 1965 when coined by psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University in his 1965 reference work Sexual Hygiene and Pathology; the timeline includes events and personalities that may be viewed as transgender in the broadest sense, including third gender and other gender-variant behavior, including ancient or modern precursors from the historical record. Before the Common Era c. 7,000 BCE – c. 1700 BCE – Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are, as one author describes it, a "third sex" human figure having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics. In Neolithic Italy, female images are found in a domestic context, while images that combine sexual characteristics appear in burials or religious settings. In Neolithic Greece and Cyprus, figures are often dual-sexed or without identifying sexual characteristics.[2] c. 2900 BCE – c. 2500 BCE – A burial of a suburb of Prague, Czech Republic, a male is buried in the outfit usually reserved for women. Archaeologists speculate that the burial corresponds to a transgender person or someone of the third sex.[3] c. 400 BCE – Ancient Greek physician Hippocrates writes of the enarei, a class of androgynous Scythian priests and healers; "there are many eunuchs among the Scythians, who perform female work, and speak like women".[4][5] The enarei are also mentioned around the same time in Herodotus' work Histories; "the Scythians who plundered the temple were punished by the goddess with the female sickness, which still attaches to their posterity. They themselves confess that they are afflicted with the disease for this reason, and travellers who visit Scythia can see what sort of a disease it is. Those who suffer from it are called Enarees".[6] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_transgender_history------------------- |
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