Harris V Trump - The US Election - The Results

[mercian]

Nov 14, 2024 8:15:37 GMT Danny said:

Nov 13, 2024 21:44:45 GMT c-a-r-f-r-e-w said:

Yes, I wasn’t complaining about those who might well benefit. We shall see what happens to others. I’m not sure how it all pans out. Even if it doesn’t result in a loss of jobs overall, it might hit particular sectors harder, like hospitality? Hopefully you are right…

Heres the thing. There is a massive wave of opposition to immigration. Not so much in the population as a whole, but certainly enough active voters to swing election results. Maybe enough to make Farage the majority winner in parliament. as numbers of immigrants rise, and as this has received more publicity, so opposition to unlimited immigration has grown and will continue to do so.

Not only does immigration bring its own problems, because those new people get to share all the existing national resources like homes, schools, benefits and wages, it is forseeable that immigration of the right sort of people (ie well educated and skilled or already wealthy) is going to dry up and be replaced only with desperate refugees, if at all. Its not a long term solution to encourage  immigration to increase GDP. Problem is, the Uk has relied upon exactly this for 20-30 years.

Agreed, and the politicians must recognise that the levels of immigration are and have been so high that the fundamental character of the country is changing. I get the ONS monthly report and in the latest one it said that there were 593,129 live births in 'England, Wales and Elsewhere' in 2023. Not quite sure what 'elsewhere' means, possibly IoM and Channel Islands? Of those 328,247 were White British - just over 50%. On top of that we have immigration - mostly legal.
 "In the year ending June 2024, 1.16 million visas were granted for work, study or family reasons (including dependants). In the same period, 38,784 people were detected arriving in the UK by irregular routes."

Ignoring emigration and deaths for simplicity for now, there were just over 300,000 new White British people and between 1.5 and 2 million new non White British people. Now of course colour of skin is irrelevant, but culture isn't. Many newcomers integrate and become valued members of society of course, but quite a lot don't. It's fine for now if you live in a quiet village or market town or a respectable suburb like mine where a lot of neighbours are of different ethnicity but well integrated, but a lot of the cities are already unrecognisable from when I was young - London, Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford etc etc. Whether it be knife-wielding gangs or Imams preaching jihad or women wandering around in Burkhas or rapist gangs of mainly Muslims targeting white girls the country is getting more dangerous as more people arrive who do not share western values. 

Of course we have always had criminals - the Krays and the Richardsons were active before mass immigration but they tended to prey on each other rather than the general public. 

If Labour and Conservatives hope to beat off Reform's challenge they need to pay more than lip service to the problems caused by mass immigration, and particularly avoid concentrating on the small boats which distracts from the vastly greater legal immigration. I'm not saying immigration is bad in itself, but the scale of it has and will change our country forever. You may think this is a good or bad thing, or neither, but the mainstream parties need to acknowledge and actually act on what the public already knows. If they don't I hope you're all looking forward to PM Farage in 2028/9. 

[moby]

www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/14/bank-of-england-governor-urges-ministers-to-rebuild-relations-with-eu

Hallelujah!
He should bloody well know shouldn't he.

'The Bank of England governor has urged ministers to “rebuild relations” with the EU, warning that Brexit has undermined the UK’s economy.

Speaking at the Mansion House dinner in the City of London on Thursday evening, Andrew Bailey said he took no position on Brexit “per se”, but added: “I do have to point out consequences.”

'The Bank’s governor was speaking against the backdrop of Donald Trump’s threat of imposing tariffs – import taxes – on all foreign goods sold to the US.'

[jib]

Nov 14, 2024 22:37:18 GMT mercian said:

Nov 14, 2024 6:47:19 GMT Danny said:

Of course, we do need greater rights to roam on private land. It makes no sense one person should be able to monopolise such a national natural resource.

Fancy having some dickhead wearing an anorak in your back garden? Or is it only for people with a bit more land than you? Thought so.

If anyone comes into my garden without permission they may well get an arrow coming into them.

I tend to agree with Danny. Most of this land became the property of the Norman overlords through various legislative wheezes and sometimes barbarity, culminating in the Enclosure Acts.

If it is the law that is restricting access to this land, the law can be amended. I doubt owners of gardens, even large gardens, need to be concerned.

If no hereditary custodian found, or appropriate taxes paid upon a piece of land, then the ownership defaults to the ultimate legal owner - the State or the Crown, depending on which you prefer. The functioning of that state relies on revenue from its assets, which is why the current proposed tax on custodian change (inheritance) it is perfectly reasonable. If there were no "state" and legal protection, it would be clubs and spears that would govern who controls what.

The last Government and their yellow cronies pushed the limits of the state to breaking point, to the extent that it may well have become dysfunctional and there was danger that toffs in Range Rovers became sone kind of new overlords.

[steve]

With all the focus on the lunatics, massively unqualified, enemy agents,far right authoritarians, vaccine deniers, grifting billionaires, that are proposed to constitute the U.S.government for at least the next four years insufficient focus is being placed on the maniac who's making the choices.

The sane washing of trump before the election was largely responsible for his win as he displays his insanity in real time it continues.

Circus of horrors has a ring master.

[neilj]

Nov 14, 2024 8:19:31 GMT neilj said:

While the Guardian quitting Musk's twitter may have been a body blow, this is surely the coup de grâce 😀
www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/clifton-suspension-bridge-quits-elon-musks-x-385770/
"Clifton Suspension Bridge quits Elon Musk’s X
The much-loved Bristol bridge said a rise in "inappropriate content" and a "decrease in meaningful engagement" were behind its decision to quit the platform"

Meanwhile blusky has now over 15 million users

Since I posted this just 22 hours ago, blusky has gained 1.5 million users, I find this user count strangely compelling to watch
bsky-users.theo.io/

[Danny]

News has returned to the former northeye prison in Baexhill. Previous government bought it for £15 miliion after having sold it for £1 million a year earlier, while it required £20 million of work to remove old asbestos. Civil servants who signed off on this were apparently not aware of the pending £20 milion bill. Cant help but think the developer got a very very good deal. Plus presumably the new government will sell it again for its true value.

Former conservative MP was very much in favour of this deal, retired now despite this being a safe con seat. Didnt worry about protest marches against it being turned into a camp for interned immigrants.

[Danny]

Nov 14, 2024 21:40:35 GMT neilj said:

Just when you think Trump's picks couldn't get any worse...they do

Today Trump picked Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an anti-vaccine activist who dropped out of the 2024 presidential race and endorsed Trump, to lead the Department of Health and Human Services
It would be akin to picking David Icke to be the UK Health Secretary

If he was arguing covid vaccines didnt do much good, there are a number on here who would go some way to agree.

However google suggests he was mostly concerned about thimerosal used as an antibacterial in vaccines (it is a mercury compound). On the one hand, the scientific weight doesnt seem to agree with him. But on the other it seems this has almost entirely been withdrawn from use in vaccines, especially for children. That could be simply because of bad publicity, or it could be the manufacturers didnt think it was a desireable component even if formally cleared. We should recall that the Uk national campaign to vaccinate everyone against covid was finally halted because it was accepted the vaccine was more dangeous to healthy young people than catching covid. This only happened after data on side effects began to accumulate.

With regard to misinformation spreading about vaccines, you would have to say the UK government early propaganda campaign to encourage everyone to have vaccines was deeply misleading, as witness they finally abandoned it.

[neilj]

With rapidly falling birth rates this is happening inmany parts of the country now,

For all the coverage of a tiny few paying more for private school fees, it would be good to read just a bit more about the far bigger pressures faced by everyone else

Of course it doesn't effect the kids of the media owning elite, so what is happening to 93% of kids isn't important compared to the 7% of kids who go to private schools and the even much smaller number of that 7% that will be effected
...

greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/11/14/plumstead-primary-school-earmarked-for-closure-over-falling-numbers/
A consultation is set to begin on closing a primary school in Plumstead after a dramatic fall in the number of pupils.

Gallions Mount school, in Purrett Road, has gone from having 295 primary-aged children in January 2021 to 228 this January.

Greenwich Council said its monitoring had found that numbers had fallen even further since then, to 169.

[Danny]

Nov 14, 2024 22:37:18 GMT mercian said:

Fancy having some dickhead wearing an anorak in your back garden? Or is it only for people with a bit more land than you? Thought so.

Yep, its precisely for people who own lots of land. There is a massive difference between a garden of maybe 1/20 an acre and 20,000 acres. 1 acre of private space centred around someones house ought to be ample, but Id use some common sense on this scaling up the permitted private area with size of house. You could maybe make a right to roam which didnt apply within 100m of a private dwelling.
But really, this isnt about land close to homes but access to large rolling acres most of which are out of sight of the owners home. Or if you can see them in the distance from the top of the tower forming part of the mansion, thats too far away to give a right to privacy.

[Danny]

Nov 14, 2024 22:39:02 GMT mercian said:

Didn't the Supreme Court rule that anything he does as a Presidential act is automatically legal?

No. It would have to be something within the authority of the president. If it wasnt within the authority of the president, then it would not be a presidential act.

[Danny]

Nov 14, 2024 22:41:30 GMT alec said:

I noticed a discussion between c-a-r-f-r-e-w and others regarding mRNA vaccine recently which I think Carfs said had screwed up his gut flora? Not the first time I've come across this, and sadly, we are now starting to see an increasing body of evidence showing elevated risks associated with the covid jabs, alongside more evidence of reducing efficacy. The latest CDC data shows that the efficacy against hospitalisation of the 2023/24 boosters for over 65 yos waned substantially after four months, with very limited additional protection (Although v important to note that this is not the same as saying no protection; the baseline was against those who hadn't had the 23/24 booster, not those who had never been vaccinated, so there will still be protection, it's just that any additional protection afforded by boosters is reducing and becoming shorter lived).

I dont think that is surprising. As far as I know the vaccines have not been significantly updated as the virus has mutated. And as you say, this is people already vaccinated. What would be interesting would be to comapre the protection afforded to those who were infected instead of vaccinated. Being infected, they would have created a less targeted immunity more capable of resisting mutations. The theory behind the vaccines was they would concentrate on spike proteins because this element was vital to spread of the viurus, and therefore couldnt mutate. This has not altogether worked out.

They looked at the 3 month period after receiving the vaccines and while they found that schizophrenia and bipolar disorders incidence was significantly reduced compared to having no vaccine, incidence of a range of other depression, anxiety, dissociative, and stress-related episodes was significantly raised. They note that these same conditions are known to be elevated by covid infection also, and postulate that the spike protein is responsible.

Hmm. covid mimics the spike proteins used in the body so as to enter cells. But if you create immunity to those same spikes, you should perhaps wonder whether you are creating immunity also to internal body proteins which are doing something to regulate the body. Obviously the body has mechanisms to prevent it creating immunity to itself, so again you might wonder whether it actually inhibits antibody formation against spike proteins?

As with a range of autoimmune conditions and gastric issues, the covid vaccines are starting to look like the kinds of vaccines which it would be better to have less frequently, as they are relatively high risk in vaccine safety terms, with these risks starting to appear as cumulative (the more shots, the more elevated the risks).

The vaccines were used far too widely on sections of the public which should never have received them, based upon risk-benefit analysis. This was initially justified by a goal of creating population wide herd immunity. Well that didnt work at all, but we started out using them much more than would normally be the case. And then because the effects didnt last very well, they were deliberately used in rapid booster programs, which agin had more to do with desperation to prove vaccines worked than genuine protection. If you eat too much salt it will kill you, never mind a bioengineered vaccine.

It needs to said that all the evidence still suggests that the risks from the vaccines aren't as great as the risks from infection,

That has always only been true for some groups, basically the old. Where you draw the dividing line is debateable, but the NHS is now not giving them on age grounds to under 65s. (younger people may get them for other health reasons or eg working with those at risk)

the UK government is offering flu jabs to the over 60s but covid to the over 75s.

The website I just looked at said 65 for covid, but you make an important point that flu is considered more serious than covid. Its very likely intrinsicly flu was always the more dangerous disease.

It's a complete mess, and I suspect comes as a result of inertia within public health agencies, none of which wish to start seriously addressing covid transmission, as to rock that boat now would be an effective admission that the adoption of a vaccine only strategy in 2022 was a mistake.

Indeed a mistake, but the mistake was it would always have been better to encourage the young to just catch it, become immune from doing so and let society continue without the massive costs of the covid lockdown. Which today are impacting health care because of the vast sums spent on covid interventions.

[Danny]

Nov 14, 2024 23:36:48 GMT mercian said:

Now of course colour of skin is irrelevant,

It may be politically correct to say skin coulour is irrelevant, but it absolutely isnt. Its such an obvious marker of being not from the native population. It highlights the issue whenever you walk past someone. Whereas white immigrants dont have this same issue.   Interestingly I heard a nuclear physicist who is retired but used to work for the CEGB (ie atomic power plants), who arrived here from india with a scholarship to university, on R4 yeaterday. He mentioned how reaction to his race has softened over the years. They also however interviewed a woman who similarly used to work there (this was a group of retired CEGB workers on the R4 Ramblings program where people go for a walk together), and her problem was that women were required to  leave work if they got pregnant (or even just married), so she was essentailly fired when she did.  She did however rejoin the company when the rules changed some 15 years later. So... conditions have changed both for dark skinned people and for females. But its still obvious walking down a street if someone has dark skin, or is female.

Whether it be knife-wielding gangs or Imams preaching jihad or women wandering around in Burkhas or rapist gangs of mainly Muslims targeting white girls the country is getting more dangerous as more people arrive who do not share western values. 

I dont really agree the country is getting more dangerous. It isnt. People are getting more fearful. Its like people being afraid to let their kids walk to school nowadays, or be out alone. The risk to them is generally much less nowadays but people fear it more.

If Labour and Conservatives hope to beat off Reform's challenge they need to pay more than lip service to the problems caused by mass immigration, and particularly avoid concentrating on the small boats which distracts from the vastly greater legal immigration.

Farage achieved brexit by pointing up faults with the EU, genuine faults. He was wrong overall and being selective in his examples, of course, but he could find genuine issues to campaign about. Immigration is a genuine issue and it will continue to motivate voters to support Farage if the big parties do not end immigration.

I'm not saying immigration is bad in itself, but the scale of it has and will change our country forever.

Well, to be fair the Romans destoyed genuine british culture 2000 years ago, and then the Normans destroyed the new british native culture 1000 years ago. So historically we should question what we are trying to defend, but yes its the current occupants and their culture which is being eroded.

[Danny]

Nov 15, 2024 5:53:06 GMT moby said:

www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/14/bank-of-england-governor-urges-ministers-to-rebuild-relations-with-eu

Hallelujah!
He should bloody well know shouldn't he.

'The Bank of England governor has urged ministers to “rebuild relations” with the EU, warning that Brexit has undermined the UK’s economy.

Speaking at the Mansion House dinner in the City of London on Thursday evening, Andrew Bailey said he took no position on Brexit “per se”, but added: “I do have to point out consequences.”

'The Bank’s governor was speaking against the backdrop of Donald Trump’s threat of imposing tariffs – import taxes – on all foreign goods sold to the US.'

He said we should seek a closer relatinship but respecting the referendum result. Which puzzled me, because polling says the nation has changed its mind on that. A bit like saying in 1945 we should have respected the previous decision to appease Hitler.

And to digress, politics at that time seems to have quite a lot of relevance to the situation with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Should we appease Putin by handing him Ukraine, as seems to be the plan? Who thinks that will discourage him from picking a new victim? His arguments are just the same as Hitler's too, that the lands targetted thus far are all ethnically Russian anyway.

[alec]

Danny - "Its very likely intrinsicly flu was always the more dangerous disease."

Completely wrong. Even now, after vaccination plus several rounds of infection, covid is around 4 times worse than flu in terms of severity of acute phase outcomes, many times worse for long term effects.

You're talking total bollocks

[Danny]

Nov 15, 2024 7:52:46 GMT neilj said:

With rapidly falling birth rates this is happening inmany parts of the country now,

For all the coverage of a tiny few paying more for private school fees, it would be good to read just a bit more about the far bigger pressures faced by everyone else

Of course it doesn't effect the kids of the media owning elite, so what is happening to 93% of kids isn't important compared to the 7% of kids who go to private schools and the even much smaller number of that 7% that will be effected

Blair actively campaigned on 'education, education, education', and avoided attacking private schools which he likely thought would be counter productive. This time labour most likely recognise the problem with schools, but also they have been handed an insolvent government. So they went for a figleaf target, claiming to raise money from private school parents to help state school parents. Problem is, the amount raised is tiny compared to the resource shortage in state schools. (I estimated above £250 per head compared to £10,000 per head needed to bring state schools to private school level)

The 7% number seems to be the percentage of kids currently attending private schools. But if you consider nowadays a school career is 13 years long and kids may only spend some of those years in a private school, then the total number spending at least part of their eduction in private schools is likely to be significantly higher. Private secondary schools trditionally take kids at 13, though may be earlier now. So if a kid transfers to a private school only for the CCSE years (where the state system is worst), then it could be pushing 20% of kids get some private eduction, and thats quite a lot of voters affected. Not just parents, but grandparents, etc.

[somerjohn]

Mercian: "politicians must recognise that the levels of immigration are and have been so high that the fundamental character of the country is changing"

It's tempting to tackle the basic premise underlying your post (roughly: white 'indigenous' British good, culturally different immigrants bad, in terms of social cohesion and national identity).

But instead I'll discuss an aspect of this in your own terms.

Of course cultural differences exist between immigrants and the 'native' population, but they vary wildly. At one extreme, perhaps, the man arriving in Bradford from a village in Silhet as the result of an arranged marriage (maybe to a cousin), speaking only Urdu, with little or no education and a medieval religious belief. The stuff of your nightmares and Reform stereotyping, but probably quite small in overall numbers.

At the other extreme, the IT specialist from Holland or Italy, arriving for a well-paid job, speaking perfect English and a fan of Monty Python and Aston Villa (nobody's perfect). If we want to really lay it on for Reform types, we can add that he's blond, blue eyed, with a pretty wife and two charming kids who are into Harry Potter.

You can probably see where I'm going with this: brexit.

I've yet to see a single brexiteer say, "I can see it now. Not only did brexit raise immigration instead of reducing it, but it has drastically skewed the mix of immigrants towards more culturally distinct people."

With an ageing population, declining birthrate, sclerotic economy and a national disinclination to do hard, poorly paid jobs, continued immigration is necessary to avoid faster economic decline and falling living standards. If you accept that, but really want to adjust the cultural impact of immigration back to where it was ten years ago, then the obvious way to do it is to rejoin the EU, accept freedom of movement from the EU (using the available - but previously ignored by the UK - safeguards re employment), and block immigration from the parts of the world you find too culturally threatening.

To repeat, I'm arguing this on Reform terms. Including the Aryan stuff. I don't subscribe to these views at all: I'm just tailoring it for those who see the world that way.

[Danny]

Nov 15, 2024 9:00:16 GMT alec said:

Danny - "Its very likely intrinsicly flu was always the more dangerous disease."

Completely wrong. Even now, after vaccination plus several rounds of infection, covid is around 4 times worse than flu in terms of severity of acute phase outcomes, many times worse for long term effects.

You're talking total bollocks

You do keep making this same false comparison. The correct comparison would be between the new strain of flu in 1918, which caused widespread deaths at all ages, and the new covid strain in 2019, which only seriously affected the old. Had the new covid arrived in 1918 instead of the flu, the likelihood is the death toll wouldnt really have been much above a normal bad year, and would not have caused massive international reaction. There were far fewer old people then to die. Our death rates have been massively elevated because we have so many old and sick people in the population who have already been kept alive by modern medicine.

[Danny]

Nov 15, 2024 9:12:53 GMT somerjohn said:

It's tempting to tackle the basic premise underlying your post (roughly: white 'indigenous' British good, culturally different immigrants bad, in terms of social cohesion and national identity).

No thats not exactly the premise. The premise is 'my culture good, all other cultures bad'. Its the normal human reaction. It makes sense too in evolutionary terms, that people suspicious of strangers lived longer.

With an ageing population, declining birthrate, sclerotic economy and a national disinclination to do hard, poorly paid jobs, continued immigration is necessary to avoid faster economic decline

I think believing in immigration is like lemmings following each other off a cliff. 150 years ago the US had masses of empty land which needed people to occupy it. But many countries today perceive themselves as already crowded, including the Uk and US. Constantly subdividing national resources to squeeze in more workers makes no sense whatever at a point in history it has never been easier to substitute mechanisation for human labour.

Heres a new scientist page from 2023 saying 7 million smart meters are about to stop working as 2G and 3G phone networks get switched off. www.newscientist.com/article/2399171-why-7-million-uk-smart-meters-will-stop-working-and-what-it-will-mean/

There seems to be a quibble that smart meters come in two parts. One is wired in to the power, and the other plugs into it and manages the data. So some argue replacing only one part isnt replacing the meter.

[shevii]

Nov 14, 2024 22:37:18 GMT mercian said:

Nov 14, 2024 6:47:19 GMT Danny said:

Of course, we do need greater rights to roam on private land. It makes no sense one person should be able to monopolise such a national natural resource.

Fancy having some dickhead wearing an anorak in your back garden? Or is it only for people with a bit more land than you? Thought so.

If anyone comes into my garden without permission they may well get an arrow coming into them.

Impeccable timing as I just heard a quote from Robert Heinlein that I'd never heard before.  He did the Stranger in a Strange Land book where a Martian comes to earth and creates a religion based around his superpowers (as a way of bringing peace and advancement to earth).  Apparently some people as a joke decided to mimic a tribute to Heinlein by camping on his lawn and his response was "get off my lawn you hippies" :-)

I've mixed views on right to roam.  Generally in favour but I think there's a modern generation (perhaps even post Covid) who don't seem responsible enough to respect the nature around them whereas I think (possibly rose tinted spectacles) the countryside code used to be much more widely respected.  Arguably the best biodiversity projects are ones where people aren't allowed.

[neilj]

RF Kennedy is not just anti covid vaccine, he's also against vaccines generally including measles

In addition he said

Vaccines cause autism

COVID vaccine requirements were more restrictive than Nazi Germany

COVID is a ‘racially targeted’ bioweapon

AIDS is not caused by HIV

Wi-Fi causes cancer

Chemicals in drinking water are making kids trans

There are other batshit crazy things he said and Trump wants him in charge of US Health ffs

[alec]

Danny - "The correct comparison would be between the new strain of flu in 1918"

No Danny. You made the connection with flu, and any sensible person would want to look at the flu we have today, not a defunct strain from over a century ago.

[Danny]

Nov 15, 2024 9:43:13 GMT shevii said:

Arguably the best biodiversity projects are ones where people aren't allowed.

Well good luck getting funding to prevent people ever accessing the countryside. Get Trump to build walls around the cities?

[Danny]

Nov 15, 2024 9:45:39 GMT neilj said:

RF Kennedy is not just anti covid vaccine, he's also against vaccines generally including measles

In addition he said

Vaccines cause autism

COVID vaccine requirements were more restrictive than Nazi Germany

COVID is a ‘racially targeted’ bioweapon

AIDS is not caused by HIV

Wi-Fi causes cancer

Chemicals in drinking water are making kids trans

There are other batshit crazy things he said and Trump wants him in charge of US Health ffs

Interesting none of that made it into wikipedia. Was it not verifiable?

[steve]

neilj
Kennedy's advocacy of the anti vaccine movement in American Samoa led directly to a huge cut in the uptake of measles vaccination a measles epidemic where nearly 20% of the entire population caught it and the death of 83 children.

He's not just a lunatic brain worm invested nutter given the levers of power he's incredibly dangerous.

In a country where half the electorate are badly educated and easily manipulated his chilling insanity could kill tens of thousands.

And never forget the insane rapist who has given him this opportunity.

[steve]

Meanwhile on home ground the governor of the bank of England calls out Brexit for the economic catastrophe its been.

Brexit is costing 4% of GDP every year. I'll start taking Reeves seriously when she starts taking that fact seriously and stops talking cobblers about making Brexit work.

[Danny]

Nov 15, 2024 10:00:32 GMT alec said:

Danny - "The correct comparison would be between the new strain of flu in 1918"

No Danny. You made the connection with flu, and any sensible person would want to look at the flu we have today, not a defunct strain from over a century ago.

No. You posted "the UK government is offering flu jabs to the over 60s but covid to the over 75s. " Presumably seeking to imply the Uk government was more worried about flu, and you believe that is wrong.

And so I pointed out its no good looking at a bad covid year which is also a good flu year and using that to justify covid been an overall worse disease. Simply doesnt work like that.

[c-a-r-f-r-e-w]

Nov 14, 2024 22:41:30 GMT alec said:

I noticed a discussion between c-a-r-f-r-e-w and others regarding mRNA vaccine recently which I think Carfs said had screwed up his gut flora?

Indeed I did, and I tagged you to give you a nudge, but I also gave the likely reason why: spike protein

Nov 14, 2024 22:41:30 GMT alec said:

Not the first time I've come across this,

indeed not, I gave you a heads up about it over a year ago. I didn’t just mention the spike protein, but the particular bacterium likely being affected in the gut

I was hoping you’d pick up on it, but nope, so I gave another nudge the other day. it went better this time…

[alec]

Danny - "And so I pointed out its no good looking at a bad covid year which is also a good flu year and using that to justify covid been an overall worse disease. Simply doesnt work like that."

Give it up will you?

Only a complete prat would imagine that a post about vaccine strategy for two diseases in 2025 should compare the situation for one of those diseases from 2025 to the other from 1918. I mean, what the actual f*** are you talking about?

[c-a-r-f-r-e-w]

Nov 14, 2024 22:41:30 GMT alec said:

Perhaps more concerning are the slew of papers coming out, mainly from eastern researchers where there doesn't appear to be the same reticence to critique the vaccines, showing risks associated with the vaccines themselves. This one is quite odd - www.nature.com/articles/s41380-024-02627-0

It's in Nature, so there are no presumed issues with credibility or quality, and it's a large (2m) cohort study from S Korea. They looked at the 3 month period after receiving the vaccines and while they found that schizophrenia and bipolar disorders incidence was significantly reduced compared to having no vaccine, incidence of a range of other depression, anxiety, dissociative, and stress-related episodes was significantly raised. They note that these same conditions are known to be elevated by covid infection also, and postulate that the spike protein is responsible.

It’s not that odd, though if you’ve just done a quick literature search it can take a while to join the dots.

when I told you about spike protein and the gut - a year last August - I also included a link to research about spike protein in the brain and implication in neurological disorders.

ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/post/96140/thread

Remember those brain scans you posted a while back, showing the effect of Covid? Some of that could be due to the Covid spike protein. And since the vaccine also prompted the production of spike protein, you may get similar damage in the brain.

I do wonder though that given the potential impact on the gut, and how the brain in turn can be affected by the gut, if that might sometimes be a factor?

E.g. most serotonin is made in the gut etc.

[alec]

c-a-r-f-r-e-w - I think we've had various discussions on here regarding the spike protein. I know you've mentioned this, and I certainly have. Indeed, I flagged up the problems we have had with this, and why my partner has been advised not to risk further vaccination or contracting the disease. The paper I just cited does suggest that it's starting to appear as if the immune response to the spike protein is one of the major issues, which would explain the long term symptoms from infection as well as the vaccination, and why these impacts are starting to appear as cumulative.

I worry that this is starting to become an issue, and unless it's addressed honestly and sensibly, the issue has the potential to undermine confidence in vaccines across the board. That would be a very bad outcome, but I think that perversely, the reticence among public health officials about addressing the shortcomings of the covid jabs in case this undermines vaccine confidence overall has led to a situation where there is insufficient openness over the problems, which ultimately might lead to just such an outcome they are hoping to avoid.