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Post by Danny on Jul 3, 2024 7:19:30 GMT
The headline is lifted from the Torygraph they appear to have zero evidence, what a shocker and TFL have made no statements regarding an extent to EV's at all. The assertion appears no where else. You are right, we should be wary of miss information, which has been truly massive in this campaign. And I'm not just talking about the Russians. In the future though, electric vehicles will be taxed one way or another, they are just on an introductory offer just now. last night Rory Stuart and Alastair Campbell on their CH4 podcast were talking about a new law in the welsh assembly which would ban politicians from office if they are proven to have lied in campaigns and refused to withdraw the statements. An idea whose time has come? It would be funny if the Welsh enact a law which would only bar people from their assembly, but which might be used against statements by other politicians anywhere in the Uk which got reported in Wales. So it could still be used to bring cases aginst national politicians, even if the punishment was only a moral one. |
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Post by steve on Jul 3, 2024 7:23:03 GMT
Just one more sleep until this lot can be a fading nightmare.  |
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Post by athena on Jul 3, 2024 7:30:00 GMT
Ed Davey's stunts don't do a lot for me - although I get the impression that some of the journalists assigned to him have had fun, which may have led to more generous coverage of the LD campaign - but I'm rather hoping that for his final day he take a trip over a swathe of SW marginals in a LD-branded hot air balloon. The images would be fab.
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Post by Danny on Jul 3, 2024 7:32:20 GMT
Just one more sleep until this lot can be a fading nightmare. View Attachmentlast minute party political featuring an AI Thatcher? Churchill? Be harder to do him as much less quality film available. |
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Post by hireton on Jul 3, 2024 7:34:27 GMT
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Post by steve on Jul 3, 2024 7:36:49 GMT
athenaI'll tell him to cancel the zip wire then! The thing is the media have been even worse than normal this year focussing almost exclusively on the Tories and Labour and their favourite fascist frog faced hate gimp. This election according to many polls could see the first change in the two largest Westminster parties for a century and it's not being covered at all on the main stream. If things go well for the lib dems tomorrow expect legacy journalists to be scratching their collective heads about a lib dem opposition party while they congratulate frog face for shaking the system up.by winning a seat he'll never visit.
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Post by steve on Jul 3, 2024 7:42:44 GMT
Love this
"My eldest came downstairs wearing a Conservative Party t-shirt earlier this morning and said he was off out to do some last minute local campaigning. So far, he's been verbally abused, spat at and physically pushed around.
I wonder what will happen to him when he leaves the house?"
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Post by steve on Jul 3, 2024 7:47:42 GMT
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Post by barbara on Jul 3, 2024 7:54:26 GMT
More pressure from prominent Democrats for Biden to go, personally I think he'll decide to call it a day in the next couple of weeks I hope so. But then who will take over? We don't want a Tory type tearing each other apart kind of thing. What we need is an old fashioned Tory men in grey suits kind of thing. Certainly Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsome are in the frame but I've also read Pete Buttigieg is quite fancied. The worry with the former two is their name recognition US wide - it's such a big country it's entirely possible that lots of voters don't know who they are. eor help us out here. |
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Post by bardin1 on Jul 3, 2024 7:55:03 GMT
Ed Davey's stunts don't do a lot for me - although I get the impression that some of the journalists assigned to him have had fun, which may have led to more generous coverage of the LD campaign - but I'm rather hoping that for his final day he take a trip over a swathe of SW marginals in a LD-branded hot air balloon. The images would be fab. Would he fit inside Boris? |
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Post by barbara on Jul 3, 2024 7:55:55 GMT
More pressure from prominent Democrats for Biden to go, personally I think he'll decide to call it a day in the next couple of weeks I think Obama may be the key figure here. If he has a private conversation with Biden suggesting that he should step down then I think he would. The mutual respect and admiration between the two men is enormous. Also if Biden steps down he'll be a Democratic hero for ever. If he stays and lets Trump in he's finished in every sense of the word. |
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Post by barbara on Jul 3, 2024 8:03:45 GMT
athena I'll tell him to cancel the zip wire then! The thing is the media have been even worse than normal this year focussing almost exclusively on the Tories and Labour and their favourite fascist frog faced hate gimp. This election according to many polls could see the first change in the two largest Westminster parties for a century and it's not being covered at all on the main stream. If things go well for the lib dems tomorrow expect legacy journalists to be scratching their collective heads about a lib dem opposition party while they congratulate frog face for shaking the system up.by winning a seat he'll never visit. Well I think the Lib Dem Campaign has been brilliant. It's made Ed Davey a more recognisable politician and one whom it's very difficult to dislike. And every stunt has had a message, whether it's about our rivers and sewage, older people and disabilities care, break out of the mould and change your vote etc. And his video about his son was very moving (and that's from someone it takes a lot to 'move'.) A mother of a disabled children rang James O'B yesterday and said that the need to be foolish and break out occasionally is a feature of spending your life being focussed and dedicated to the care of someone else. |
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Post by pete on Jul 3, 2024 8:04:51 GMT
Poster watch
Loads more Tory gone up in Chelt (yesterday). Though still way more Lib Dem.
Used Electoral Calculus for my prediction. Not sure how much I trust it as it says my MP Laurence Robertson will lose (to Lib Dem) and don't see it.
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Post by shevii on Jul 3, 2024 8:09:30 GMT
Secondly, where Macron's guys have stayed in despite coming third, it's in a really small number of seats and whilst there are a couple of inexplicable ones, mostly they are three-way marginals where they could conceivably win in the second round if they can take more ROC vote than either of the others. Thanks- I make it just 12 seats so they must have mostly backed down from their threat of staying in the race if it was Melenchon's party as the challenger. |
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Post by wb61 on Jul 3, 2024 8:09:43 GMT
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Post by norbold on Jul 3, 2024 8:31:50 GMT
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Post by domjg on Jul 3, 2024 8:31:58 GMT
Starmer on the front page of the German press. They want to know who he is now: www.sueddeutsche.de/projekte/artikel/politik/keir-starmer-labour-wahl-in-grossbritannien-siiegchancen-premier-e261620/The below struck me particularly. In a cynical, crisis plagued time of low expectations when, I think, people mainly just want to feel that society is no longer going backwards and hope to see some incremental improvement in our collective quality of life a messianic, charismatic PM, guaranteed to disappoint is the last thing any of us needs. Starmer is exactly the right person for the job at this time: “But, on the matter of the lack of euphoria for Starmer: “With people like Tony Blair and Boris Johnson you have seen that love can quickly turn into disappointment,” says Claire Ainsley. With Blair it was the handling of the Iraq war, with Johnson it was the Partygate lies that repelled all those who had previously enthusiastically followed him. A somewhat more neutral, relaxed relationship between the people and the prime minister is exactly what the country plagued by the Brexit dispute needs now, says Claire Ainsley. A less emotionally demanding relationship” |
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Post by athena on Jul 3, 2024 8:33:30 GMT
I'm rather hoping that for his final day he [Davey] takes a trip over a swathe of SW marginals in a LD-branded hot air balloon. The images would be fab. Would he fit inside Boris? It'd be underneath, so no problems there: one would presumably attach the basket to Johnson's trailing shoe laces and rely on the tousled hair and a voluminous untucked shirt to provide some lift. Johnson would probably be up for it, but he'd be likely to steer the balloon out over the sea and drop Davey and his press pack in the drink! The cast is wrong, but the symbolism would be spot on for the 2015 election... |
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Post by domjg on Jul 3, 2024 8:48:42 GMT
I think Obama may be the key figure here. If he has a private conversation with Biden suggesting that he should step down then I think he would. The mutual respect and admiration between the two men is enormous. Also if Biden steps down he'll be a Democratic hero for ever. If he stays and lets Trump in he's finished in every sense of the word. It's a gamble every which way though, this should have been something that was dealt with ages ago. I worry that if Biden is now replaced on the ballot by a relatively unknown, younger Democrat that it almost gifts Trump a kind of incumbency bonus as he's been in the office before. That could of course just as easily work against him and on balance it's probably safer than to leave Biden as the candidate at this stage. It's insane it's got so far really. At the end of his second term Biden, if he won, would be 85. No-one should still be working in a demanding job, let alone in a senior leadership role at that age. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 3, 2024 8:50:25 GMT
I very much doubt that the Tories did not know that an important reason behind Starmer's comment about having a Friday evening with his family was for religious reasons. It is well known that Starmers wife is Jewish and that the children are being brought up in the faith. Jewishness is passed down through the maternal line, not the paternal line. To take another example: Giles Fraser, whose autobiography "Chosen" is well-worth reading, is not a Jew, even though his father is, because his father married a gentile. Giles' son by his second marriage is a Jew because his mother is a Jew. It's not quite the same as the old requirement that in mixed marriages that the children be brought up in the Roman Catholic faith, because Giles' son remains a Jew even if in future he follows a different religion or none at all. |
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Post by markw on Jul 3, 2024 8:51:45 GMT
Well I am actually getting excited now at the thought of these Tory shits getting rinsed. I was actually worried about some trump level chicanery after the poroguing charade but it looks like we are going to make it without another dose, phew.
Things are so rubbish where I live. People living in tents and rows of shonky caravans, sleeping in doorways, drug injecting in skateparks by Dickensian figures with hopelessness etched deep on thin faces. Shoplifting and aggression is faced daily by my partner who works in Aldi, no one calls the police cos they never come. Last year an elderly woman fell in the shop and couldn't stand up again and the Amby took three hours to arrive, FFS. Fly tipping is out of control with no action by council or police, graffiti is sprayed up by twats who may take all day to finish and again no popo action.
I thank fate my house is paid for fully as rents are mental, 600 quid for one room in a terraced himo with four bedrooms converted from a two bed same as mine. A family of four are living in one room a few houses down from me.
I have never known such terrible times with even life expectancy dropping.
Over to you labour, things have to get better or the siren calls of the shits on the far right will gain traction fast and then we really will be fucked.
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Post by jimjam on Jul 3, 2024 8:54:24 GMT
Barbara,
Pete Buttigieg would be very good imo but would he want to potentially step up now to lose rather than wait?
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Post by domjg on Jul 3, 2024 8:57:56 GMT
Well I am actually getting excited now at the thought of these Tory shits getting rinsed. I was actually worried about some trump level chicanery after the poroguing charade but it looks like we are going to make it without another dose, phew. Things are so rubbish where I live. People living in tents and rows of shonky caravans, sleeping in doorways, drug injecting in skateparks by Dickensian figures with hopelessness etched deep on thin faces. Shoplifting and aggression is faced daily by my partner who works in Aldi, no one calls the police cos they never come. Last year an elderly woman fell in the shop and couldn't stand up again and the Amby took three hours to arrive, FFS. Fly tipping is out of control with no action by council or police, graffiti is sprayed up by twats who may take all day to finish and again no popo action. I thank fate my house is paid for fully as rents are mental, 600 quid for one room in a terraced himo with four bedrooms converted from a two bed same as mine. A family of four are living in one room a few houses down from me. I have never known such terrible times with even life expectancy dropping. Over to you labour, things have to get better or the siren calls of the shits on the far right will gain traction fast and then we really will be fucked. Do you mind if I ask, out of curiosity, where you live? |
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Post by barbara on Jul 3, 2024 8:59:21 GMT
It's brilliant! I do quite an energetic type of jive as part of my 10 dance training (waltz, quickstep, tango, foxtrot, viennese waltz - cha cha, rumba, samba, jive and paso doble.) But nothing that involves over the head throws etc I'm afraid. Too old for that. But if that's the kind of dancing you used to do then it's no surprise your back has been injured and also that I can understand why you miss it so much. I salute you that you EVER did that kind of dancing! |
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Post by domjg on Jul 3, 2024 9:00:16 GMT
Barbara, Pete Buttigieg would be very good imo but would he want to potentially step up now to lose rather than wait? Perhaps someone should point out to him then that it's not about him personally but a duty to America, democracy, European security, world-wide stability and western civilisation generally. If he's not up for that I guess he's not the man for the job. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 3, 2024 9:00:51 GMT
"Sadiq Khan is extending London’s congestion charge to all zero-emission vehicles from the end of next year.” The headline is lifted from the Torygraph they appear to have zero evidence, what a shocker and TFL have made no statements regarding an extent to EV's at all. The assertion appears no where else. Given it's supposed to be a congestion charge it doesn't seem unreasonable that measures should aim at reducing congestion. It was on the BBC News web site two days ago. You should really check before making unfounded assertions. In fact, because of their greater weight, electric vehicles produce more PM2.5 particles from tyre and brake wear than vehicles with internal combustion engines do, so it's entirely reasonable to discourage their use in the centre of London. |
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Post by barbara on Jul 3, 2024 9:04:29 GMT
I very much doubt that the Tories did not know that an important reason behind Starmer's comment about having a Friday evening with his family was for religious reasons. It is well known that Starmers wife is Jewish and that the children are being brought up in the faith. Jewishness is passed down through the maternal line, not the paternal line. To take another example: Giles Fraser, whose autobiography "Chosen" is well-worth reading, is not a Jew, even though his father is, because his father married a gentile. Giles' son by his second marriage is a Jew because his mother is a Jew. It's not quite the same as the old requirement that in mixed marriages that the children be brought up in the Roman Catholic faith, because Giles' son remains a Jew even if in future he follows a different religion or none at all. That would be right as I think I read somewhere that although Starmer's wife is not a practising Jew although they occasionally go to the synagogue. Also I understand that the Friday night dinner is partly about quality family time and also about Vic's father coming over and the family sharing his Jewish ritual. I also understand that although their children are not strictly being brought up in the Jewish faith both Starmer and his wife are keen for them to understand their paternal heritage. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 3, 2024 9:11:50 GMT
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Post by domjg on Jul 3, 2024 9:14:50 GMT
Such polling is pretty meaningless though until someone is in the campaign and visible. The question is who? |
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Post by steve on Jul 3, 2024 9:14:54 GMT
leftieliberal I made no assertions the telegraph article said TFL had made no comment, which is what I've said. If you Google extension of congestion charging to ev's the only thing that comes up is the telegraph article. The link you provided indicates they weren't actually making it up , but as I said before it's supposed to be a congestion reducing measure not a clean air initiative so I suppose if you believe congestion charging is the way to go it seems logical
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