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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 15:47:56 GMT
Generally I would agree that everybody is welcome to their own opinion…but within limits, especially on a public site. But surely the recent post from Danny goes beyond acceptable limits for virtually everybody - apart from danny of course - who contributes to or just reads this site? “ Nazis were demonised because they lost WW2, and then subject to show trials. Had germany won then this quite likely would have played out in reverse. This isnt about whether their policies were right or wrong, it’s about how such things are never black and white until portrayed so by one or other propaganda machine.” The response from nickpoole on the final page of the previous thread hits the nail on the head. It is worth a read. |
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Post by mercian on Jun 16, 2024 16:01:16 GMT
Latest from the Muslim vote site recommending candidates: Independent 24 Workers 14 Green 10 LibDem 6 No Party 2 Kubo 1 The site seems to be very volatile. There are now 33 seats with big Muslim population where there is no recommended candidate, and there is clearly no consensus nationwide. Notable that there are no Labour, though 31 of the 33 are Labour seats. I have no idea what Kubo is. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how much effect these recommendations have. I suspect that this site will have very little effect indeed. Firstly, the site doesn't reflect the Muslim viewpoint, but one Muslim viewpoint. Then you have to consider who is behind it. Is it set up by one person/a small group of people - and what are their political leanings? Such a site set up by someone in the Socialist Workers Party will show different recommendations to those put forward by someone that is a LibDem. Does it take tactical voting into account at all, or, is it simply which candidates are most 'on message'? If it is a group, rather than a single person/small group that is behind it, who are they? Are they even Muslim? Could it even be the work of a foreign actor/state (EG. someone like Putin). Whatever the answers to the above, how much reach does it have? How many of the Muslim population are even aware of it? Good points. They claim to take local community opinion into account, but I think neilj has shown that it doesn't tally very well with polling. I'll keep an eye on it but will only post if there's some dramatic movement, and perhaps the day before the election. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 16:06:17 GMT
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 16, 2024 16:07:21 GMT
No - this MRP survey is gibberish re- Scotland. Implies SNP sweep Glasgow but lose Falkirk. They will do well to win 20 seats. Well Graham - you have your chance to be specific about how many less than 20 seats the SNP will get in scotland on the specific issues thread I have set up - may the best person win! ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/88/party-seat-predictions-scotland |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 16, 2024 16:15:14 GMT
I see English fans are doing the country proud by attacking Serbian fans who were drinking together innocently. Utterly fucking pathetic. (I would become a Scotland supporter (given I was born there) if they didn’t have such an abject team.)
Uniquely at this game, full-strength beer (4.8% abv) will not be sold - only 2.4% lemonade shandies. Discrimination against drunks! |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 16, 2024 16:19:39 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 16, 2024 16:21:32 GMT
Generally I would agree that everybody is welcome to their own opinion…but within limits, especially on a public site. But surely the recent post from Danny goes beyond acceptable limits for virtually everybody - apart from danny of course - who contributes to or just reads this site? “ Nazis were demonised because they lost WW2, and then subject to show trials. Had germany won then this quite likely would have played out in reverse. This isnt about whether their policies were right or wrong, it’s about how such things are never black and white until portrayed so by one or other propaganda machine.” The response from nickpoole on the final page of the previous thread hits the nail on the head. It is worth a read. I'd done with the last thread because we've now got this new one, and I wish you hadn't tempted me back to it with your post. The exchanges and content of some of the posts I've just seen have convinced me that my decision to give the place an extended rest after the election is over is the right one. The vitriol, anger and, in Danny's case (although he's not the only one), the utter warped insanity of what's written, has gone way too far for me. My policy now is to continue to post my semi serious drivel on the election and only read the dwindling number of posters I like and respect. They think it's all over. It will be soon. |
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Post by mercian on Jun 16, 2024 16:22:58 GMT
He looks a bit like a young Rowan Atkinson. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 16, 2024 16:30:22 GMT
That is clearly impossible. I was told off by crossbat11 in no uncertain terms for my snobbery at suggesting that drunk football fans ever cause any trouble. Ignore Batty. He’s a known troublemaker. Quite violent too. I need some advice. England defeats usually provide easy revenge targets after the games. If we lose to Germany, for example, parked BMWs near pubs can be vandalised. If we've lost to Greece, Greek owned fish and chips shops can be ransacked. Kebab outlets if the Turks have turned us over, parked Renaults torched if it's the French. Most countries have convenient recipients for our righteous rage, but what the hell do we do with the Serbs? |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 16, 2024 16:34:57 GMT
I need some advice. England defeats usually provide easy revenge targets after the games. If we lose to Germany, for example, parked BMWs near pubs can be vandalised. If we've lost to Greece, Greek owned fish and chips shops can be ransacked. Kebab outlets if the Turks have turned us over, parked Renaults torched if it's the French. Most countries have convenient recipients for our righteous rage, but what the hell do we do with the Serbs? Run away is the best policy with any Balkan nation, in my experience |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 16:35:19 GMT
Generally I would agree that everybody is welcome to their own opinion…but within limits, especially on a public site. But surely the recent post from Danny goes beyond acceptable limits for virtually everybody - apart from danny of course - who contributes to or just reads this site? “ Nazis were demonised because they lost WW2, and then subject to show trials. Had germany won then this quite likely would have played out in reverse. This isnt about whether their policies were right or wrong, it’s about how such things are never black and white until portrayed so by one or other propaganda machine.” The response from nickpoole on the final page of the previous thread hits the nail on the head. It is worth a read. I'd done with the last thread because we've now got this new one, and I wish you hadn't tempted me back to it with your post. The exchanges and content of some of the posts I've just seen have convinced me that my decision to give the place an extended rest after the election is over is the right one. The vitriol, anger and, in Danny's case (although he's not the only one), the utter warped insanity of what's written, has gone way too far for me. My policy now is to continue to post my semi serious drivel on the election and only read the dwindling number of posters I like and respect. They think it's all over. It will be soon. Obviously I absolutely agree Batman. But what I find really impossible to understand is the very small quantity of other posters who are similarly disgusted by the bile that he writes and which is allowed through. I couldn’t stand the moderation on the previous site - it seemed very political and personal - but at least there was some. |
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Post by mercian on Jun 16, 2024 16:37:03 GMT
Ignore Batty. He’s a known troublemaker. Quite violent too. I need some advice. England defeats usually provide easy revenge targets after the games. If we lose to Germany, for example, parked BMWs near pubs can be vandalised. If we've lost to Greece, Greek owned fish and chips shops can be ransacked. Kebab outlets if the Turks have turned us over, parked Renaults torched if it's the French. Most countries have convenient recipients for our righteous rage, but what the hell do we do with the Serbs? Loot Surbiton? The name is a blatant attempt to disguise the largest Serbian settlement in the UK. |
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Post by alec on Jun 16, 2024 16:42:04 GMT
Poster count up here in the NE on a 22 mile drive through the villages is Lab 7, GSC Grays Rural Land & Estate Agents 5.
Looks like it's nip and tuck, but local schools are rated excellent and the constituency offers stunning views across rural Teesdale, all within easy reach of Newcastle.
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 16, 2024 16:43:14 GMT
Loot Surbiton? The name is a blatant attempt to disguise the largest Serbian settlement in the UK. Oi! I lived in Surbiton for 10 years without seeing a Serb A few Kurds was as close as we got We did have Goat Boys though, and cheese (hence the Kurds) My good friend Robin Hutchinson revealed after extensive research that Chessington was originally known as Cheesington, site of the invention of cheese by Lefi the Goat Boy, a little known historical character whose existence is now celebrated in the annual festival at Surbiton Here is Robin dressed for the occasion Attachments:
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 16, 2024 16:47:42 GMT
I need some advice. England defeats usually provide easy revenge targets after the games. If we lose to Germany, for example, parked BMWs near pubs can be vandalised. If we've lost to Greece, Greek owned fish and chips shops can be ransacked. Kebab outlets if the Turks have turned us over, parked Renaults torched if it's the French. Most countries have convenient recipients for our righteous rage, but what the hell do we do with the Serbs? Loot Surbiton? The name is a blatant attempt to disguise the largest Serbian settlement in the UK. You might be on to something there, Mercian. "Ton" being an old English term for settlement.The place must be a Balkan outpost. Full of Surb descendants. I may head there after the game tonight if things don't go well for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 16:53:11 GMT
Poster count up here in the NE on a 22 mile drive through the villages is Lab 7, GSC Grays Rural Land & Estate Agents 5. Looks like it's nip and tuck, but local schools are rated excellent and the constituency offers stunning views across rural Teesdale, all within easy reach of Newcastle. Grays in Barney were rubbish. BNP would have been a better choice of estate agent |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 16, 2024 16:54:43 GMT
You might be on to something there, Mercian. "Ton" being an old English term for settlement.The place must be a Balkan outpost. Full of Surb descendants. I may head there after the game tonight if things don't go well for us. Mmm - do you have a passport? Serbian ones accepted |
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Post by reggieside on Jun 16, 2024 16:56:34 GMT
Generally I would agree that everybody is welcome to their own opinion…but within limits, especially on a public site. But surely the recent post from Danny goes beyond acceptable limits for virtually everybody - apart from danny of course - who contributes to or just reads this site? “ Nazis were demonised because they lost WW2, and then subject to show trials. Had germany won then this quite likely would have played out in reverse. This isnt about whether their policies were right or wrong, it’s about how such things are never black and white until portrayed so by one or other propaganda machine.” The response from nickpoole on the final page of the previous thread hits the nail on the head. It is worth a read. Christ - Danny's list of dodgey postings is quite something - arguments for peadoephillia and now "Nazi-Germany is villified because they lost" - cant this intellecutally deceiptful, nasty-minded dodge pot be kicked off the forum? |
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Post by alec on Jun 16, 2024 16:56:39 GMT
@fecklessmiser - "Grays in Barney were rubbish. BNP would have been a better choice of estate agent"
Really? I'm looking for one shortly. Who would you recommend?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 16:59:51 GMT
From the BBC:
“ Hamburg police shoot man with axe ahead of Euros match”
That’s quite a tricky thing to pull off.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 16, 2024 17:00:22 GMT
Hooligan update.
Before we launch into knee-jerk condemnation of English football fans, and despite my jokery I'm no apologist for hooliganism and thuggery, it's by no means certain that it was English fans who attacked the Serbs drinking outside a bar in Gelsenkirchen. It may have been Albanians, who would probably have non-football related motives for the violent attack.
These are unreported reports but the German police aren't denying or confirming them yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 17:02:20 GMT
@fecklessmiser - "Grays in Barney were rubbish. BNP would have been a better choice of estate agent" Really? I'm looking for one shortly. Who would you recommend? Well, they’re all rubbish so why not just give BNP a go? I think they only sell to English people whose ancestry goes back beyond 1066 so it’s a limited clientele. |
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Post by domjg on Jun 16, 2024 17:03:19 GMT
Once it was only the tabloids who were only interested in shock and sensationalism but you could rely on the 'quality' press to be more sanguine. Those days are past and with possible exceptions such as the FT, the Economist and the New Statesman in the UK we have a media interested only in drama and stoking emotion. The NYT shows how it can still be done in the English speaking press though even that seems to occasionally veer into hyperbole these days, especially where Trump's concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 17:04:16 GMT
Hooligan update. Before we launch into knee-jerk condemnation of English football fans, and despite my jokery I'm no apologist for hooliganism and thuggery, it's by no means certain that it was English fans who attacked the Serbs drinking outside a bar in Gelsenkirchen. It may have been Albanians, who would probably have non-football related motives for the violent attack. These are unreported reports but the German police aren't denying or confirming them yet. Probably not Albanians if they were singing no surrender to the IRA. |
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Post by steve on Jun 16, 2024 17:04:35 GMT
pjw1961"That is clearly impossible. I was told off by crossbat11 in no uncertain terms for my snobbery at suggesting that drunk football fans ever cause any trouble. " From experience they're quite capable of causing trouble without football entering into the equation.
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Post by mark61 on Jun 16, 2024 17:06:42 GMT
Ignore Batty. He’s a known troublemaker. Quite violent too. I need some advice. England defeats usually provide easy revenge targets after the games. If we lose to Germany, for example, parked BMWs near pubs can be vandalised. If we've lost to Greece, Greek owned fish and chips shops can be ransacked. Kebab outlets if the Turks have turned us over, parked Renaults torched if it's the French. Most countries have convenient recipients for our righteous rage, but what the hell do we do with the Serbs? Those Idiots would come home and trash Surbiton! |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 16, 2024 17:07:05 GMT
Hooligan update. Before we launch into knee-jerk condemnation of English football fans, and despite my jokery I'm no apologist for hooliganism and thuggery, it's by no means certain that it was English fans who attacked the Serbs drinking outside a bar in Gelsenkirchen. It may have been Albanians, who would probably have non-football related motives for the violent attack. These are unreported reports but the German police aren't denying or confirming them yet. Yep - the media like to jump to the most likely conclusion before they examine the evidence My tuppenceworth would be, if you are going to start a fight with a group of fans from another country the Serbs would be a really, really bad choice. |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 16, 2024 17:11:29 GMT
@fecklessmiser - "Grays in Barney were rubbish. BNP would have been a better choice of estate agent" Really? I'm looking for one shortly. Who would you recommend? Well, they’re all rubbish so why not just give BNP a go? I think they only sell to English people whose ancestry goes back beyond 1066 so it’s a limited clientele. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 16, 2024 17:13:22 GMT
I need some advice. England defeats usually provide easy revenge targets after the games. If we lose to Germany, for example, parked BMWs near pubs can be vandalised. If we've lost to Greece, Greek owned fish and chips shops can be ransacked. Kebab outlets if the Turks have turned us over, parked Renaults torched if it's the French. Most countries have convenient recipients for our righteous rage, but what the hell do we do with the Serbs? Those Idiots would come home and trash Surbiton! Mercian got there before us, mark!! |
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