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Post by bardin1 on May 2, 2024 20:47:04 GMT
Rumours that a certain Mr Johnson was unable to vote due to forgetting his ID
Can't be true, can it?
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Post by oldnat on May 2, 2024 20:56:20 GMT
Rumours that a certain Mr Johnson was unable to vote due to forgetting his ID Can't be true, can it? |
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Post by bardin1 on May 2, 2024 21:01:05 GMT
Rumours that a certain Mr Johnson was unable to vote due to forgetting his ID Can't be true, can it? I'm not sure I'd regard him as a failure in that respect In everything else he has ever done, yes |
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:04:41 GMT
I went into vote. A woman and two men behind a table. I said, "who wants to see my photo ID" Woman says it's her I hand her my driving licence she starts to look me up. then she says: "can you confirm the first line of your address?" So i said, "it's on that" pointing to licence in her hand. She says, no you have to confirm it. -Who says so? -The Law. -what law? -Electoral Law. -The law asks for photo id with my address on. I might not want to confirm my address out loud so everyone can hear it. -Well you have to. I got bored with it then and told her my address. But seems bona fide madness to me. I never take the card they send (on purpose to 'stick it to the man'  ), so they always ask me my name and address. Then I was asked to show my id, No problem. |
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Post by RAF on May 2, 2024 21:07:48 GMT
Good evening everyone
Will Khan win the Outer London vote? You Gov had him 13% ahead of Hall The later Savanta/QMUL poll suggested otherwise.
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:12:14 GMT
Mercian: "The 'fierce debate' has passed me by I'm afraid. If the Poles are doing well good luck to them."Rather proving my point that "enduring brexiteers won't notice or care, I suppose. I'm all right, Jack." For people who exist within a UK bubble, especially if comfortably retired, the country's relative decline, even if extreme, might well pass them by. But if being surpassed in wealth by Poland is not a concerning indicator, then what would it take to trigger alarm amongst brexiteers? Becoming poorer than Albania, maybe? Probably not even that would be too high a price to pay for 'taking back ciontrol'. Especially if it finally deters the boat people... You build a fascinating dream world based on a simple observation that Tusk's claim about a fierce debate in the UK about Poland's success was exaggerated, to put it politely. Followed by a genuine wish of goodwill to the Poles. I would just suggest that if the UK is such a basket case as you seem to wish for, why are so many people desperate to come here? |
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Post by neilj on May 2, 2024 21:12:26 GMT
Britain elect
Our forecast for Blackpool South:
LAB: 50% (+12)
CON: 30% (-20)
REF: 14% (+8)
GRN: 5% (+3)
LDEM: 3% (-)
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:22:43 GMT
It seems very clear that this is voter suppression by stealth. The imposition of wholly unnecessary rules, dealing with a problem that never existed, that have the effect of making it much more difficult, and therefore less likely, for younger people to vote. Just when we need to reinvigorate our moribund democracy we have instead a cynical governing party attempting to do the very opposite in order to make it more difficult for them to be voted out. The problem may not have been detected on a large scale but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. We know that postal vote fraud has occurred. The system which has been largely based on trust needs to be tightened up now that there is less respect for our democratic traditions. |
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:25:52 GMT
In relation to nick poole's experiences at the polling station this morning, I took some time out to read the lengthy list of acceptable forms of personal ID on my polling card this morning and was astounded by it. The list was heavily skewed to over 60s voters who seemed to have inexhaustible acceptable forms of ID to satisfy polling station officials, whereas it appeared that younger voters had far fewer options. Who approved this list? The Electoral Commission? I think this is one of those very British scandals that often go below the radar, with our craven and largely client media failing to scrutinise the changes or challenge the politicians implementing them. It seems very clear that this is voter suppression by stealth. The imposition of wholly unnecessary rules, dealing with a problem that never existed, that have the effect of making it much more difficult, and therefore less likely, for younger people to vote. Just when we need to reinvigorate our moribund democracy we have instead a cynical governing party attempting to do the very opposite in order to make it more difficult for them to be voted out. I don't think the Electoral Commission had any choice in the matter; I think you will find that the Act of Parliament that set this up gave the Minister the power to decide what forms of ID were approved. So yes, it's a stitch-up but there's no-one but the Tories to blame for it. Secondary legislation, of which this is just one of many examples, has a long history of abuse. It would be better (even if only a little better) if all secondary legislation had to be approved by a vote in the Commons before coming into force. Most EU laws were brought in by secondary legislation, which was totally wrong. Each and every petty directive should have been debated in the HoC. If the MPs had to work on Fridays I wouldn't have been too upset for the poor dears. |
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Post by oldnat on May 2, 2024 21:27:01 GMT
It seems very clear that this is voter suppression by stealth. The imposition of wholly unnecessary rules, dealing with a problem that never existed, that have the effect of making it much more difficult, and therefore less likely, for younger people to vote. Just when we need to reinvigorate our moribund democracy we have instead a cynical governing party attempting to do the very opposite in order to make it more difficult for them to be voted out. The problem may not have been detected on a large scale but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. We know that postal vote fraud has occurred. The system which has been largely based on trust needs to be tightened up now that there is less respect for our democratic traditions.
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Post by johntel on May 2, 2024 21:27:16 GMT
Commiserations to Villa fans for being beaten 4-2 at home by the Forest 'B' team tonight. Hope the other results have gone better for you today  |
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Post by alec on May 2, 2024 21:27:46 GMT
In the week after the seasonal winter covid monitoring report was closed for the summer, hospitalisations from Covid increased 30%.
There appears to be another wave underway, probably driven by the JN.1 'FLiRT' mutations, giving yet another example of why this is not a seasonal virus and there is no herd immunity.
Tiresome, so keep repeating the same mistakes, over and over.
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Post by domjg on May 2, 2024 21:29:49 GMT
Mercian: "The 'fierce debate' has passed me by I'm afraid. If the Poles are doing well good luck to them."Rather proving my point that "enduring brexiteers won't notice or care, I suppose. I'm all right, Jack." For people who exist within a UK bubble, especially if comfortably retired, the country's relative decline, even if extreme, might well pass them by. But if being surpassed in wealth by Poland is not a concerning indicator, then what would it take to trigger alarm amongst brexiteers? Becoming poorer than Albania, maybe? Probably not even that would be too high a price to pay for 'taking back ciontrol'. Especially if it finally deters the boat people... You build a fascinating dream world based on a simple observation that Tusk's claim about a fierce debate in the UK about Poland's success was exaggerated, to put it politely. Followed by a genuine wish of goodwill to the Poles. I would just suggest that if the UK is such a basket case as you seem to wish for, why are so many people desperate to come here? English language and established communities. Perhaps in some part a very outdated (and in fact never accurate) idea of this country as a welcoming place. Most still head for Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden regardless. |
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:37:19 GMT
JiB: "The UKs biggest problems are linked to lack of investment"It's a major problem, certainly. And what makes the UK a less desirable destination for investment than other countries like, say, Poland? Not many investors want to place their money in a country that's swirling round the plughole of decline, when the attitude of both potential governing parties is, "that's what we've chosen and that's where we'll stay." When you've put yourself in a hole, it's a good idea to try to get out of it. Or at least stop digging. Instead, we get protestations of what a nice hole it is. But, enough. Let's agree to monitor how things go. Just don't complain if we remainers continue to point out the symptoms of decline as they emerge. Which I, at least, will try to do without yielding to the temptation to say, "told you so." I don't understand why left wingers are so obsessed with the past. Until quite recently nearly every ill was blamed on Mrs Thatcher. Now everything's blamed on Brexit. Everything's always someone else's fault, no matter how long ago it was. What we should do is to see how we can further progress from where we are now, not keep moaning about things that are done and dusted. To be fair Starmer seems to see that, thus proving himself to be more in touch with reality than many on his side of the divide. |
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Post by jib on May 2, 2024 21:44:26 GMT
It seems very clear that this is voter suppression by stealth. The imposition of wholly unnecessary rules, dealing with a problem that never existed, that have the effect of making it much more difficult, and therefore less likely, for younger people to vote. Just when we need to reinvigorate our moribund democracy we have instead a cynical governing party attempting to do the very opposite in order to make it more difficult for them to be voted out. The problem may not have been detected on a large scale but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. We know that postal vote fraud has occurred. The system which has been largely based on trust needs to be tightened up now that there is less respect for our democratic traditions. I agree Mercian, but it's the real voter that's forced to pay the price because of the abuse of the postal ballot. Frankly I would be happy to see the end of postal ballots rather than this sh*t. |
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Post by steve on May 2, 2024 21:44:55 GMT
Boris Johnson turned away from polling station after forgetting to bring photo ID Former PM made the requirement to bring photo ID a stipulation of the Elections Act in 2022  |
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:47:06 GMT
For once an interesting, if depressing, anecdote from me. I made my way to the polling station and voted in the Essex PCFC election at about 6.45. The presiding officer happened to be an old colleague of mine from my Essex CC days and we got chatting. I commented that I imagined that it had been very quiet, Braintree having no other elections. She looked at her papers and said I was the 64th person to vote since 7 a.m. I had seen the list of streets covered by the polling station and you are likely talking over 2,000 potential voters. I also mentioned I was working on getting my son to bother to vote and about an hour later I returned with him and he got cheered by the polling station staff for bothering to turn up! Never seen that before. We voted much later than usual (around 6:30pm) owing to a busy day. I was pleasantly surprised to se a steady stream of voters going in to the polling station. We had to queue briefly. I hope this means there will be a decent turnout whoever wins. |
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Post by Danny on May 2, 2024 21:47:29 GMT
I would just suggest that if the UK is such a basket case as you seem to wish for, why are so many people desperate to come here? i cant remember why this person was being interviewed, but in their case the answer was because in the UK they speak english, which is the most commonly taught second language in the world. And perhaps they would prefer the US, but its tough crossing the atlantic ocean in a dinghy. Whereas of course, the Mexicans are swarming across the border into the US rather than getting a boat to here. |
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Post by RAF on May 2, 2024 21:48:06 GMT
Boris Johnson turned away from polling station after forgetting to bring photo ID Former PM made the requirement to bring photo ID a stipulation of the Elections Act in 2022 View AttachmentHe didn't forget. It was one of his many performative gestures of his right for the laws and rules apply only to others. |
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Post by Danny on May 2, 2024 21:52:13 GMT
The problem may not have been detected on a large scale but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. We know that postal vote fraud has occurred. The system which has been largely based on trust needs to be tightened up now that there is less respect for our democratic traditions. I was discussing this with the chap lurking outside the polling station with a notepad and rosette. So we all seems to agree there is potential for fraud with postal votes, but not really with actual turning up in person to vote. and yet this change affects people trying to vote in person, not those registering to postal vote. and in fact pushes more to go over to the system where fraud IS considered to happen. The issue is about coercion being used on people in how their postal vote is filled in. |
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:55:06 GMT
The problem may not have been detected on a large scale but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. We know that postal vote fraud has occurred. The system which has been largely based on trust needs to be tightened up now that there is less respect for our democratic traditions. I agree Mercian, but it's the real voter that's forced to pay the price because of the abuse of the postal ballot. Frankly I would be happy to see the end of postal ballots rather than this sh*t. Yes, it's fair enough for the very elderly or infirm but making it an option for everyone is more or less asking for electoral fraud. If there was some way of making it cheat-proof it would be ok, but I can't think of one. How could you stop a controlling partner for instance instructing the other partner how to vote, or voting for them? Secret ballot is the only fair way. (btw I hope my attempt at politically correct language is appreciated by all  ) |
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Post by Danny on May 2, 2024 21:55:52 GMT
In the week after the seasonal winter covid monitoring report was closed for the summer, hospitalisations from Covid increased 30%. There appears to be another wave underway, probably driven by the JN.1 'FLiRT' mutations, giving yet another example of why this is not a seasonal virus and there is no herd immunity. Tiresome, so keep repeating the same mistakes, over and over. Then why dont you address your complaint to the government instead of us, because clearly its they and their advisors who believe its only a winter problem? You keep banging on that if only we could sterilise the air, we would end covid. Well, when the weather warms up, we open our windows, increase ventilation, and the problem blows away! |
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 21:57:15 GMT
I would just suggest that if the UK is such a basket case as you seem to wish for, why are so many people desperate to come here? i cant remember why this person was being interviewed, but in their case the answer was because in the UK they speak english, which is the most commonly taught second language in the world. And perhaps they would prefer the US, but its tough crossing the atlantic ocean in a dinghy. Whereas of course, the Mexicans are swarming across the border into the US rather than getting a boat to here. So rather than learn a bit of French they'd rather risk death and deportation? I must admit my schoolboy self might have sympathised. |
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Post by Old Southendian on May 2, 2024 21:58:06 GMT
I don't understand why left wingers are so obsessed with the past. Glad you're not obsessed with the past. You'll no doubt be very happy to destroy all the statues of slave traders then. Let's throw all the Churchill statues while we're at it. Game on.
Anyway, not sure what to do about tonight's election coverage. Pretty busy time at work, and the first few hours aren't going to be that interesting I guess, just more posturing from all sides. So think I might try to get some sleep and get up early when there are actually some results to contemplate.
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Post by domjg on May 2, 2024 22:00:28 GMT
JiB: "The UKs biggest problems are linked to lack of investment"It's a major problem, certainly. And what makes the UK a less desirable destination for investment than other countries like, say, Poland? Not many investors want to place their money in a country that's swirling round the plughole of decline, when the attitude of both potential governing parties is, "that's what we've chosen and that's where we'll stay." When you've put yourself in a hole, it's a good idea to try to get out of it. Or at least stop digging. Instead, we get protestations of what a nice hole it is. But, enough. Let's agree to monitor how things go. Just don't complain if we remainers continue to point out the symptoms of decline as they emerge. Which I, at least, will try to do without yielding to the temptation to say, "told you so." I don't understand why left wingers are so obsessed with the past. Until quite recently nearly every ill was blamed on Mrs Thatcher. Now everything's blamed on Brexit. Everything's always someone else's fault, no matter how long ago it was. What we should do is to see how we can further progress from where we are now, not keep moaning about things that are done and dusted. To be fair Starmer seems to see that, thus proving himself to be more in touch with reality than many on his side of the divide. 'Done and dusted', was there ever such a meaningless phrase? Absolutely we can look into what's the best direction to go in from here, which is to gradually realign with the EU. As that is what political and economic gravity dictates with a pragmatic gvt in power that is exactly what is likely to happen 😄 |
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Post by Danny on May 2, 2024 22:00:35 GMT
I don't understand why left wingers are so obsessed with the past. Until quite recently nearly every ill was blamed on Mrs Thatcher. Now everything's blamed on Brexit. Everything's always someone else's fault, no matter how long ago it was. Very true, but it works both ways round. Not so long ago a big group of people, mostly on the right, was blaming every problem we have on having joined the EU 50 years previously. And there is some truth, that the situation we are in today is the result of choices in the past. Thats very true. We need to forget the history of how we got here and choose the best thing to do. Which is to join the EU as fast as possible. We need to forget the referendum result from the past and do whats right for britain now, by joining the trade block on our doorstep. |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 2, 2024 22:06:14 GMT
It seems very clear that this is voter suppression by stealth. The imposition of wholly unnecessary rules, dealing with a problem that never existed, that have the effect of making it much more difficult, and therefore less likely, for younger people to vote. Just when we need to reinvigorate our moribund democracy we have instead a cynical governing party attempting to do the very opposite in order to make it more difficult for them to be voted out. The problem may not have been detected on a large scale but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. We know that postal vote fraud has occurred. The system which has been largely based on trust needs to be tightened up now that there is less respect for our democratic traditions. The slight problem with that defence is that Jacob Rees-Mogg has admitted it was intended as a voter suppression measure and his only regret was that it hadn't worked as intended. www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-admits-tory-voter-id-law-was-gerrymandering_uk_64620db8e4b03e16f1a45050 |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 2, 2024 22:09:57 GMT
I don't understand why left wingers are so obsessed with the past. Glad you're not obsessed with the past. You'll no doubt be very happy to destroy all the statues of slave traders then. Let's throw all the Churchill statues while we're at it. Game on.
Anyway, not sure what to do about tonight's election coverage. Pretty busy time at work, and the first few hours aren't going to be that interesting I guess, just more posturing from all sides. So think I might try to get some sleep and get up early when there are actually some results to contemplate.
It is worth remembering that very little interesting will happen overnight (Blackpool South excepted) and we'll get a clearer view of the overall results by Friday afternoon. Some of the big mayor votes (London, West Midlands) will likely be Saturday. Not a huge amount of point in losing sleep when we have two days of results to come. |
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Post by Danny on May 2, 2024 22:10:36 GMT
i cant remember why this person was being interviewed, but in their case the answer was because in the UK they speak english, which is the most commonly taught second language in the world. And perhaps they would prefer the US, but its tough crossing the atlantic ocean in a dinghy. Whereas of course, the Mexicans are swarming across the border into the US rather than getting a boat to here. So rather than learn a bit of French they'd rather risk death and deportation? I must admit my schoolboy self might have sympathised. i think the mini row over ukraine asking to be given the refugees boats is telling. and the british refusal to do so on the grounds the boats are too dangerous. To admit they are perfectly good for crossing 20 miles of water on a calm day is to immediately admit the opposite of what they are arguing in court trying to prosecute people organising these trips, claiming that they are dangerous. Its just the same as the post office denying in court there could be anything wrong with their systems. To admit the boats are sufficient for a few miles of calm water would be to be shown to be lying in those prosecutions. Without the convenient buffer of a public corporation to take the blame in the end. |
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Post by mercian on May 2, 2024 22:15:14 GMT
I don't understand why left wingers are so obsessed with the past. Glad you're not obsessed with the past. You'll no doubt be very happy to destroy all the statues of slave traders then. Let's throw all the Churchill statues while we're at it. Game on.
Anyway, not sure what to do about tonight's election coverage. Pretty busy time at work, and the first few hours aren't going to be that interesting I guess, just more posturing from all sides. So think I might try to get some sleep and get up early when there are actually some results to contemplate.
I don't know if you are being humorous, but those actions would themselves show an obsession with the past. |
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), so they always ask me my name and address. Then I was asked to show my id, No problem.
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