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Post by alec on Feb 6, 2024 13:45:33 GMT
pjw1961 - " I can assure you that no-one in the NHS or public health is "accepting measles as just one of those things" - a simple google search will show you that every government and NHS website advises getting vaccinated against it via MMR. If you want to find the cause of reduced take up of vaccines go and check out the spreaders of vaccine conspiracy theories and scare stories, not public health officials." Understood and agreed, and I would also flag up that I wasn't as clear as I should perhaps have been when using 'public health' as a term; my meaning was much more general that the formal PH bodies, and more encompassing a whole society understanding of public health. Yes, the NHS and UKHSA are both scrambling to avert the measles problem. Having said that, I think you need to accept a level of culpability within those organisations, quite a high level in terms of the UKHSA. For the first time ever, since the invention of public health, we have had official health organisations - including some in the NHS - claiming that measures designed to reduce infection have actually been harmful to health. Plenty of senior NHS sources have played along with the idiotic notion that viral infection with a level 3 biohazard viral pathogen provides 'exercise' for the immune system and is actually a good thing, demonstrating an abject failure of understanding of both the immune system and the difference between commensal pathogens and viral infections. The NHS is also instructing staff known to be infected with a serious viral infection to attend work if they feel well enough - a complete undermining of basic public health messaging. I would agree that fake news over vaccines was a reason, although it is 14 years since the infamous MMR jab paper was retracted. I suspect that the drop off in measles vaccination rates in the last couple of years has been much more to do with the official messaging around the risks of covid to children, from UKHSA and the DofE in particular. Many parents now belief infection is a benefit, and I suspect this has spread to other childhood illnesses now.
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Post by leftieliberal on Feb 6, 2024 13:45:44 GMT
When my late wife was rushed into A&E because she collapsed just before a scheduled appointment with the consultant (it was caused by a pulmonary embolism) she was in hospital for a month at the beginning of 2020 and had her entire course of six sessions of radiotherapy while an in-patient as they waited for the clot to dissolve naturally - they didn't want to use clot-busting drugs because that increases the risk of haemorrhage from the cancer. So the NHS certainly acted pretty promptly in her case (the radio-therapy was already scheduled, but may have taken place over a longer period had she been treated as an out-patient). So the NHS certainly worked for us. In the end she died ten months later, with rather than from the cancer (she had been diagnosed back in 2017 with fronto-temporal dementia). Very sorry to hear that leftieliberal . May I send my best wishes and condolences . These things happen. In my wife's case, the NHS worked very well in terms of prompt treatment. It was less than a couple of weeks from the GP referral (and we saw the GP on the same day that her carer first found the bleeding) to the first appointment with the consultant, she had both CT and MRI scans within a week and the diagnosis by the end of the week after she first saw the consultant. The appointment with the radiotherapy specialist was a few days later and it was because the specialist's hospital could not arrange a biopsy before the end of the following month that the consultant opted to do it himself on the morning of Christmas Eve, which was when she collapsed on the way in. The consultant hand-wrote a letter for me to give to the staff on the desk at A&E (because we got there through the hospital rather than by ambulance) and by 2 pm in the afternoon my wife was on a ward getting oxygen and the junior doctor was explaining to me how they were going to treat her. It's always the failures that get the attention; successes go unnoticed. |
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Post by Danny on Feb 6, 2024 13:58:53 GMT
Heres one for Alec, www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/10/covid-lockdowns-had-catastrophic-effect-on-uks-social-fabric-report-claimsBack in 1945, Churchill was shocked to discover he lost the election. But the reason he did was because the nation was pissed off by the elite holding two world wars whch the people had to suffer. There then followed a period of the two main parties vying to make life better for ordinary voters. Thatcher pulled stumps on this back in 1980. I wonder to what extent the 2008 crash created by bankers, the period of austerity intended to hand back revenue to those who already hold assets, Brexit miss sold as a cure for everything wrong with britain, even an actual fighting war against Russia in Europe, declining US support to help us or Europe, collapse of state services and declining economic performance....might have created a similar mood amongst voters? Of course, its not as if either main party is currently campaigning on any sort of promise to put any of this right. |
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Post by mercian on Feb 6, 2024 14:15:53 GMT
The very words of my sister about both Trump and Johnson. And on her vote for Brexit "I fancied a change" We make people take a test before allowing them to drive a car. Perhaps there should be a written test before you're allowed to vote. (I think that was a joke, although ...) I've sometimes wondered whether there could be a simple multiple-choice question on the ballot paper such as "Which party is in government? Any vote that got it wrong would be ignored. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 14:23:44 GMT
pjw1961. “ The Sun is not a medical journal. “ Blimey!
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 6, 2024 14:42:31 GMT
pjw1961 . “ The Sun is not a medical journal. “ Blimey! I'm fairly confident on that one  |
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Post by steve on Feb 6, 2024 14:58:39 GMT
The sun certainly had its knockers! But it's rivals coverage of the serious issue of obesity was unique.  |
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Post by alec on Feb 6, 2024 15:55:17 GMT
colin - "Had an email from BT today to warn me this is imminent:-" Ahhh! I had a call today telling me my landline was being switched off, the caller was working for BT Openreach, the copper wire was being removed, etc etc. What she said was so jumbled and confused and she couldn't answer my questions, so I assumed it was a scam. Which I suppose it could be, but not in the way I was thinking.
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pjw1961 . “ The Sun is not a medical journal. “ Blimey! I'm fairly confident on that one Shame, it’s always been my go-to journal. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 16:03:33 GMT
colin - "Had an email from BT today to warn me this is imminent:-" Ahhh! I had a call today telling me my landline was being switched off, the caller was working for BT Openreach, the copper wire was being removed, etc etc. What she said was so jumbled and confused and she couldn't answer my questions, so I assumed it was a scam. Which I suppose it could be, but not in the way I was thinking. Exactly ! There's a whole bunch of technological change going on. And no one is accountable. Least of all elected politicians ! incidentally-have you renewed your car insurance recently. My premiums just went up 68% . I cannot find a cheaper quote via comparison sites. Friends have the same story-not company execs in company EVs-retired folk . Can you imagine the effect of this across the country on lower income car owners ? Try getting a reason for it out of anyone . Just another thump from out the blue. |
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Post by alec on Feb 6, 2024 16:14:12 GMT
colin - turns out I'm one of the 91% unaware of this change as per the Which link you sent through. I'm now vaguely familiar with what's going to happen, but I have to admit to nervousness about losing the one guaranteed comms system we have during power failures. During Sorm Arwen we lost power for nearly 7 full days, and the failure extended to our local mobile phone mast, where the back up generator system also failed. Our only communication was the old wired handset phone that I keep in a cupboard specially for such scenarios. To get a mobile signal I had to drive 19 miles on that occasion, but that was only once the roads were cleared. On the back of that experience I have now bought a cheap smart phone as a second backup system, so we'll probably be OK if it ever happens again. Life can be hard for Luddites.
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Post by pete on Feb 6, 2024 16:16:26 GMT
Of Kings, Princes and paupers; Charlie gets cancer treatment inside 24 hours, everyone else queues round the block for the chance to see a dentist - www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/05/queue-new-nhs-dental-practice-bristol-st-paulsSometimes I really wish the Brits were like French farmers. We just sit there, like spineless jellyfish, idly watching while the Conservatives shaft us again and again and again. Those 'Free Borne Englishmen' are such a pathetic bunch sometimes. Fear does that to you. If you've not got much the very little you have you don't want to lose. Besides, what do you want people to do? March/demonstrate and where has that gotten anyone? If you demonstrate and it gets out of hand get arrested and you lose your job what do you do? Because benefits aren't the panacea right-wing tools think they are. assuming your landlord doesn't kick you out for being subversive. You can quickly lose everything by not 'just sitting here.' The rich have won. Took them a few decades but they won. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 6, 2024 16:35:50 GMT
BT Help Desk and Go Compare come to UKPR.
The Revenge of the Real Voter.
All down to the EU, I suppose.
I'm voting Farage.
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 6, 2024 16:48:27 GMT
alec and colin - the digital phone line switchover has already happened in Braintree along with a good deal of East Abglia. The main effect is that if you have a power cut your landline stops working. Also means you have to put the area code in for even local calls. There are no benefits for the consumer as far as I can see. Which doesn't stop it being sold as an "improvement".
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 6, 2024 17:04:50 GMT
leftieliberalJust been scrolling back and I read your post about your late wife's difficult last years of illness and hospital treatment. As others have already done, I'd like to also offer my sympathies and condolences for your loss and those last painful years of your long life together. You're a long time poster that I greatly enjoy reading on a variety of topics. I don't know your personally, obviously, but I wish you all the best.
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Post by neilj on Feb 6, 2024 17:05:59 GMT
Good news, Trump as much as he would want to be isn't above the law... atleast until the Supreme Court has it's say www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68026175Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity and can be prosecuted on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election, a US court has ruled... "We cannot accept former President Trump's claim that a president has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralise the most fundamental check on executive power - the recognition and implementation of election results," the three-judge appeals court panel wrote in its opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 17:11:02 GMT
Statement from el Presidente:
“ Without complete immunity, a President of the United States would not be able to properly function! Deranged Jack Smith’s prosecution of President Trump for his Presidential, official acts is unconstitutional under the doctrine of Presidential Immunity and the Separation of Powers. Prosecuting a President for official acts violates the Constitution and threatens the bedrock of our Republic.
President Trump respectfully disagrees with the DC Circuit’s decision and will appeal it in order to safeguard the Presidency and the Constitution. “
I’m delighted to see that there is no self- interest in this decision to appeal. God bless America.
(nobody else will - and I would be surprised if ole god hasn’t given up by now.)
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Post by leftieliberal on Feb 6, 2024 17:21:43 GMT
alec and colin - the digital phone line switchover has already happened in Braintree along with a good deal of East Abglia. The main effect is that if you have a power cut your landline stops working. Also means you have to put the area code in for even local calls. There are no benefits for the consumer as far as I can see. Which doesn't stop it being sold as an "improvement". We are about to get it in my part of London. I only hope that my mobile will still work through a power cut (it depends on whether the area affected is large enough to include the mobile towers). |
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Post by neilj on Feb 6, 2024 17:25:54 GMT
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'72% of Britons say it was unacceptable for Rishi Sunak to accept Piers Morgan's £1,000 bet on whether his government would be able to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda before the general election'
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 6, 2024 18:12:01 GMT
Yougov '72% of Britons say it was unacceptable for Rishi Sunak to accept Piers Morgan's £1,000 bet on whether his government would be able to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda before the general election' I'm inclined to cut Sunak some slack on this. I've watched the exchange with Morgan and while Sunak's response was typically awkward and maladroit, he was railroaded into the handshake and probably wasn't fully aware that he was taking part in Morgan's bet. He shook a hand that was offered him. He didn't wager the bet nor did he mention £1000. He allowed himself to be drawn into a moronic exchange on a serious subject where Morgan, a consummate self-publicist, was going to be the only winner. A foolish and naive lapse from Sunak but I detected nothing else behind it. Certainly no intention to belittle the subject or zeal for a careless and callous gamble. That was Morgan's game. Sunak was drawn into it. If it revealed anything very much it was to highlight once again the imbecilic level of much of our political discourse. |
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Post by neilj on Feb 6, 2024 18:20:43 GMT
Yougov '72% of Britons say it was unacceptable for Rishi Sunak to accept Piers Morgan's £1,000 bet on whether his government would be able to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda before the general election' I'm inclined to cut Sunak some slack on this. I've watched the exchange with Morgan and while Sunak's response was typically awkward and maladroit, he was railroaded into the handshake and probably wasn't fully aware that he was taking part in Morgan's bet. He shook a hand that was offered him. He didn't wager the bet nor did he mention £1000. He allowed himself to be drawn into a moronic exchange on a serious subject where Morgan, a consummate self-publicist, was going to be the only winner. A foolish and naive lapse from Sunak but I detected nothing else behind it. Certainly no intention to belittle the subject or zeal for a careless and callous gamble. That was Morgan's game. Sunak was drawn into it. If it revealed anything very much it was to highlight once again the imbecilic level of much of our political discourse. You are a generous person, but it doesn't explain in a later interview in trying to downplay it by saying he's not a betting person. But on spread betting last July he said “I was doing next wicket partnership, next wicket fall, innings total. I just discovered this thing and it was great.” Seems a tad disingenuous... |
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Post by neilj on Feb 6, 2024 18:22:12 GMT
Rees-Mogg at his best...
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Post by jayblanc on Feb 6, 2024 18:22:24 GMT
Liz Truss has announced that there are millions of Secret Conservatives in Britain, and that she supports the continued flights to Rwanda to remove the unwanted.
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Post by EmCat on Feb 6, 2024 18:58:03 GMT
'Liz Truss is set to launch a new movement within the Tories called the Popular Conservatives" After the election it can be renamed as the surviving conservative. Putting to one side the name*, and the announcement tends to give some credence to a May General Election. ChangeUK (remember Tham?) were announced to great fanfare, but already peaked and fizzled before the election campaign had started. I seriously doubt that Truss will still be gaining supporters for her new venture by the Autumn, and hence making the announcement now is a sign of "Get the attention now, before the election's called" * I can just see the columnists writing things like "Pass the Popcon, this will be interesting to watch" |
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Surely the relevance of Sunak’s “bet” was his total lack of both moral principle being immediately to the fore and, failing that, his absolute of political judgement.
Think how well he could have countered that offer by simply saying that it was both his hope and intention that flights should go ahead but that he didn’t think it was right to reduce the issue to a tawdry bet.
He’s a duffer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 19:10:33 GMT
Liz Truss has announced that there are millions of Secret Conservatives in Britain, and that she supports the continued flights to Rwanda to remove the unwanted. Does she mean the unwanted secret conservatives? I’m not clear. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 19:12:17 GMT
“ 72% of Britons say it was unacceptable for Rishi Sunak to accept Piers Morgan's £1,000 bet on whether his government would be able to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda before the general election.”
As always there is a near 30% core who don’t find it unacceptable. Must say I find it really weird as well though.
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Post by jayblanc on Feb 6, 2024 19:20:33 GMT
Liz Truss has announced that there are millions of Secret Conservatives in Britain, and that she supports the continued flights to Rwanda to remove the unwanted. Does she mean the unwanted secret conservatives? I’m not clear. A little harsh way to treat them, but... |
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