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Post by mercian on Jan 17, 2024 21:33:40 GMT
mercian There's no evidence for that. According to research, children who learn two languages simultaneously go through the same processes and progress at the same rate as children who learn only one language. They have no issues with speaking one or the other language it's not a jumbled mix of both. For adults like me who didn't learn Spanish until my twenties there is a tendency to shift from Spanish to English when you don't know or can't remember the correct expression. This is known in Spain as "spanglish". Ok. It was just an idle musing out of consideration of your situation. Thank you for the polite reply which is a pleasant contrast to domjg's usual vituperation.
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Post by mercian on Jan 17, 2024 21:43:02 GMT
Ah yes. I was working as an undercover journalist for the tabloid Droitwich Discoverer at the time. As is the tradition for tabloid reporters I 'made my excuses and left'. I hope you enjoyed the rest of your stay. That's a surprise. I do remember, after you made your excuses and left me to my fate, one of the masseurs told me, in fairly broken English; " That is Peete. He calls thees place his Chess Match. We do not a knowing what hees talking about, but he is laughing about theese whe he givers us his big teep. " Very good. Genuine chuckle. I concede Oh, just remembered the story I posted to the Discoverer. The masseur was quoted as saying that they had permission to use the canal dock from the lovely gentleman who I was with, in exchange for certain special free services. By the way isn't saying that the masseurs spoke broken English and attempting to imitate a foreign accent in the quote a bit racist? Funny though. Loved the Gascoigne quote.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 21:46:39 GMT
Can one imagine Trump behaving in such a gracious way?
“ A top aide for president Joe Biden has called former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson to apologize for a mocking statement released by the Democratic National Committee regarding Hutchinson’s decision to drop out of the 2024 presidential race.
In a statement released on Tuesday, DNC press secretary Sarafina Chitika said:
“This news comes as a shock to those of us who could’ve sworn he had already dropped out.” Speaking to reporters, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said that Biden directed White House chief of staff Jeff Zients to call Hutchinson and apologize for the statement, saying that it did not reflect his views.
“President Biden has respect for governor Hutchinson and admires the race that he ran. The president knows him to be a man of principle who cares about our country and has a strong record of public service,” she said.”
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Post by isa on Jan 17, 2024 21:46:58 GMT
Paper Tigers vote for White Elephant?
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Post by mercian on Jan 17, 2024 21:51:47 GMT
Paper Tigers vote for White Elephant? ?
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Post by mercian on Jan 17, 2024 21:56:57 GMT
I see we've had a few votes on the turnout prediction poll. The consensus of great minds so far is indicating a low turnout. It could all change. Vote now, vote often! As I believe they say in Northern Ireland.
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Post by neilj on Jan 17, 2024 21:57:31 GMT
This is very good from Jess Phillips
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Post by pjw1961 on Jan 17, 2024 22:09:09 GMT
Paper Tigers vote for White Elephant? Is that one of those coded messages like they used to send the French resistance during the war?
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Post by isa on Jan 17, 2024 22:15:30 GMT
Paper Tigers vote for White Elephant? Is that one of those coded messages like they used to send the French resistance during the war? I will say this only once. Cast your mind back to the House of Commons about an hour ago.
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Post by oldnat on Jan 17, 2024 22:17:27 GMT
Of course, we already (involuntarily) crowdfund them.
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Post by mercian on Jan 17, 2024 22:27:26 GMT
This is very good from Jess Phillips What is? It's blank for me after the first line. This often happens with your messages.
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Post by alec on Jan 17, 2024 22:32:35 GMT
mercian - "I'd rather it was the left half." Compromise? How about the top half? (Keeps oldnat happy).
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 17, 2024 22:50:13 GMT
Rumours that latest You Gov poll puts Labour 27% ahead.
EDIT: Mentioned on tonight's Preston programme. Can't find details though.
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Post by James E on Jan 17, 2024 22:56:38 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 47% (+2) CON: 20% (-2) RFM: 12% (+4) LDM: 8% (+1) GRN: 7% (-1)
Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024 · 26.8K Views (from Election maps) Changes from 10-11 Jan should be RFM +2, LDM -1.
Highest Lab lead with YouGov since a 28 in late October 2022 - 2 days after Sunak took over from Truss.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 17, 2024 23:04:58 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 47% (+2) CON: 20% (-2) RFM: 12% (+4) LDM: 8% (+1) GRN: 7% (-1) Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024 · 26.8K Views (from Election maps) Changes from 10-11 Jan should be RFM +2, LDM -1. A knee-trembler of a poll.
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Post by isa on Jan 17, 2024 23:05:44 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 47% (+2) CON: 20% (-2) RFM: 12% (+4) LDM: 8% (+1) GRN: 7% (-1) Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024 · 26.8K Views (from Election maps) Changes from 10-11 Jan should be RFM +2, LDM -1. Blimey! That one's worth a little Just For Fun tinker on Electoral Calculus.
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Post by peterbell on Jan 17, 2024 23:07:38 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 47% (+2) CON: 20% (-2) RFM: 12% (+4) LDM: 8% (+1) GRN: 7% (-1) Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024 · 26.8K Views (from Election maps) Changes from 10-11 Jan should be RFM +2, LDM -1. I don't like this, I just love it.
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Post by mercian on Jan 17, 2024 23:13:18 GMT
James EAs the fight between the 'big two' seems to be over, my interest is now on the next bunch. SNP will obviously have decent representation even if they lose some. Of the next 3 (LDM, RFM and GRN) only LibDem are likely to get more than one seat even if the percentages stay as in this poll (because of their strength in certain areas). I will be very interested to see how the percentages of those parties change over the next few polls because even if they don't get many seats they could well affect results in a good number.
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Post by jib on Jan 17, 2024 23:14:44 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 47%; CON: 20% RFM: 12% LDM: 8% GRN: 7%
Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024
Love it.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 17, 2024 23:25:52 GMT
Farage interviewed on Preston tonight, saying that he expects Reform UK to stand candidates in every constituency at the next election and, intriguingly, not ruling himself out from standing.
It seems to me that the vultures are circling now and Sunak's government is beset by problems on all flanks.
Starmer seems to have slipped into ridiculing mode too now. Sensing, I think, that the public are laughing at the PM and his government.
That's usually fatal. Figures of fun don't win elections.
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Post by isa on Jan 17, 2024 23:29:18 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 47% (+2) CON: 20% (-2) RFM: 12% (+4) LDM: 8% (+1) GRN: 7% (-1) Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024 · 26.8K Views (from Election maps) Changes from 10-11 Jan should be RFM +2, LDM -1. Blimey! That one's worth a little Just For Fun tinker on Electoral Calculus. I got LAB scraping home with 537 seats. The Tories were the official Opposition on 36, just ahead of LDEM on 32 and the SNP on 24. Majority of 424. I'd take that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 23:34:03 GMT
White tiger rides pink elephant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 23:35:58 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 47% (+2) CON: 20% (-2) RFM: 12% (+4) LDM: 8% (+1) GRN: 7% (-1) Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024 · 26.8K Views (from Election maps) Changes from 10-11 Jan should be RFM +2, LDM -1. Highest Lab lead with YouGov since a 28 in late October 2022 - 2 days after Sunak took over from Truss. Sunak needs to call an election sharpish while they still have a chance of an MP left to be be leader.
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Post by expatr on Jan 17, 2024 23:39:44 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 47% (+2) CON: 20% (-2) RFM: 12% (+4) LDM: 8% (+1) GRN: 7% (-1) Via @yougov, tbc. Changes w/ 10-11 Jan. 10:44 PM · Jan 17, 2024 · 26.8K Views (from Election maps) Changes from 10-11 Jan should be RFM +2, LDM -1. Blimey! That one's worth a little Just For Fun tinker on Electoral Calculus. I did Just for fun
L 548 LD 35 SNP 26 C 20 PC 2
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Arise Sir Ed Davey leader of his majesty's loyal opposition
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Post by James E on Jan 17, 2024 23:43:13 GMT
James E As the fight between the 'big two' seems to be over, my interest is now on the next bunch. SNP will obviously have decent representation even if they lose some. Of the next 3 (LDM, RFM and GRN) only LibDem are likely to get more than one seat even if the percentages stay as in this poll (because of their strength in certain areas). I will be very interested to see how the percentages of those parties change over the next few polls because even if they don't get many seats they could well affect results in a good number. To me, it's very hard to call 3rd place in seats at the moment between SNP and LDs. I still expect the SNP to win more than half of seats in Scotland on a smallish lead in overall votes. But the LDs will gain in seats regardless of a 8-14% poll rating, provided that the Tories are below 30%. I've run that YG poll through Electoral Calculus, but with my usual allowance for Lab/LD/Green tactical voting, and the seat figures come out as: Lab 557 LDM 35 SNP 23 Con 15 (5 of these in Scotland) Grn 1 PC 1 So Ed Davey as Opposition Leader despite the 8% vote share and 4th place in the overall vote.
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Post by expatr on Jan 17, 2024 23:45:56 GMT
Blimey! That one's worth a little Just For Fun tinker on Electoral Calculus. I did Just for fun
L 548 LD 35 SNP 26 C 20 PC 2
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Arise Sir Ed Davey leader of his majesty's loyal opposition
But shows the inanity of FPTP - ROC parties 32% of vote 4% of seats
that said 2019 C/LOC 41% of seats on 54% of vote
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Post by davem on Jan 17, 2024 23:46:56 GMT
James E As the fight between the 'big two' seems to be over, my interest is now on the next bunch. SNP will obviously have decent representation even if they lose some. Of the next 3 (LDM, RFM and GRN) only LibDem are likely to get more than one seat even if the percentages stay as in this poll (because of their strength in certain areas). I will be very interested to see how the percentages of those parties change over the next few polls because even if they don't get many seats they could well affect results in a good number. To me, it's very hard to call 3rd place in seats at the meoment between SNP and LDs. I still expect the SNP to win more than half of seats in Scotland on a smallish lead in overall votes. But the LDs will gain in seats regardless of a 8-14% poll rating, provided that the Tories are below 30%. I've run that YG poll through Electoral Calculus, but with my usual allowance for Lab/LD/Green tactical voting, and the seat figures come out as: Lab 557 LDM 35 SNP 23 Con 15 (5 of these in Scotland) Grn 1 PC 1 So Ed Davey as Opposition Leader despite the 8% vote share and 4th place in the overall vote. There in lies the problem with FPTP, the party which finishes forth in the popular vote is the official opposition.
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Post by domjg on Jan 17, 2024 23:47:38 GMT
mercian There's no evidence for that. According to research, children who learn two languages simultaneously go through the same processes and progress at the same rate as children who learn only one language. They have no issues with speaking one or the other language it's not a jumbled mix of both. For adults like me who didn't learn Spanish until my twenties there is a tendency to shift from Spanish to English when you don't know or can't remember the correct expression. This is known in Spain as "spanglish". Ok. It was just an idle musing out of consideration of your situation. Thank you for the polite reply which is a pleasant contrast to domjg 's usual vituperation. I apologise for the intemperateness if that's a word, sometimes I do see this place too much through the prism of conflict, I'll admit that. In this particular case it's perhaps because I'm passionate about and am to an extent involved in encouraging multilingualism, especially from a young age, know a bit about this stuff and it's disheartening to see old and discredited ideas from decades ago, especially because when these ideas were commonplace they led parents to mistakenly believe they should only speak English (or whatever dominant language of a given country) to their children so as not to 'disadvantage' them when in reality they were doing precisely the opposite. For example a longtime, very good friend of mine (both of us nearing 50 now) is the child of Spanish speaking first gen immigrants. Their Spanish was far better then their English when he was growing up but they refused to speak Spanish to him believing that it would hamper his learning of English. He picked it up again from teenage years by finally persuading his parents to speak it with him and is now fluent but is still resentful to an extent that he wasn't able to be bi-lingual from infancy when he was in a perfect position to be. These days parents would jump at chances like this. We know Spanish speaking parents who send their children to bi-lingual education and bi-lingual schools in Wales and especially Ireland are extremely popular as they are generally the best state schools and parents these days recognise the wider benefits of multi-lingual education.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2024 23:49:51 GMT
Blimey! That one's worth a little Just For Fun tinker on Electoral Calculus. I did Just for fun
L 548 LD 35 SNP 26 C 20 PC 2
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Arise Sir Ed Davey leader of his majesty's loyal opposition
That will please sonny lad Jibster…
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 17, 2024 23:59:53 GMT
Here's a young chap who doesn't read UKPR2:- “There is no future in Iraq for me. They are hurting and robbing my father,” “Britain is the best country in the world. They treat refugees well and respect human rights. They have no racism. When I arrived in France all I faced was racism and violence. But Britain is different. They respect you as a human — that is why I want to go.” Ali, a 21-year-old quoted from Grande-Synthe in "Migrants not fazed by Rwanda bill or perilous Channel crossing" by Ali Mitib, Times today. "Britain is the best country in the world. They treat refugees well and respect human rights. They have no racism. When I arrived in France all I faced was racism and violence. But Britain is different. They respect you as a human — that is why I want to go." - Where on earth do they get this nonsense from, maybe from the traffickers? Maybe some very outdated notion of Britain as some bastion of decency that's loonng past it's sell by date. What I find particularly galling is those many DM readers etc on the right who are simultaneously vehemently hostile to refugees on the one hand and at the same time still like to enjoy a superior glow of righteousness in claiming that Britain is a lovely, fluffy, welcoming country compared to others. I think the last part of the that sentence probably explains it, just another attempt at oneupmanship in regard to other European countries [Belated response. It's hard to keep up unless you re on here all the time.] I suppose in the end it doesn't matter much what the Iraqi guy said or why he said it. And there will always be a discussion about the degree of racism or xenophobia exhibited by Brit people. One thing does seem indisputable & it would be good to have this acknowledged by our ROC comrades: the hostile obsession of the Tory right with immigration, boat people, students' dependents etc must make life more difficult for immigrants of all shades living in the UK. These difficulties are compounded by the racist & inflammatory languge used by Braverman & other Tory politicians. The Tory right are quick to point out the danger posed to Jewish people by the language used some pro-Palestinian protestors. And all for some batshit policy that no one believes in. I commented the other day on the financial plight of many UK Universities because of falling applications from foreign students, no doubt mainly? caused by the hostile climate they sense in Britain. This was the M Deacon's Telegraph's response to "the sharp fall in the number of foreign students, reports the FT, is likely to leave many British universities in grave financial peril" "The collapse of our universities is the best thing that could happen to Britain We need to rethink the purpose of higher education. Sadly, we aren't going to do that until the current system falls apart."
You set up a business model in which Uni finances are dependent on foreign students & then do everything to alienate them. Better to bankrupt Brit Unis than admit foreign students. These people are nuts, they really are.
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