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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 16:38:42 GMT
Despite the majority of the republican party voting to keep the criminal liar George Santos in post the two thirds threshold has been passed and Santos becomes just the third congressman since the civil war to be expelled.
His replacement will be chosen by the Democratic governor of New York pending the November election.
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Post by shevii on Dec 1, 2023 16:44:18 GMT
WeThink @wethinkpolling 1/ As winter’s icy grip throttles the UK, let’s warm your cockles in our latest polling, with a climate change twist. First up, Labour’s lead has melted by another two points to 16.
🔴 Lab 44% (NC) 🔵 Con 28% (+2) 🟠 LD 9% (-3) ⚪ Ref 8% (NC) 🟢 Green 6% (NC) 🟡 SNP 3% (NC)
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Post by domjg on Dec 1, 2023 16:54:51 GMT
A word that the Greeks coined of course. It essentially meant anyone who didn't speak Greek. I thought the literal meaning of a "barbarian" was someone who sported a beard. Barba being Latin for facial hair. Although I always thought that was a bit harsh on a well known philanthropist like Santa Claus. Could be wrong but I seem to recall someone telling me once that it's onomatopeic. The Greeks would use it it for people speaking other languages with the idea that they were baa-ing like sheep, the chauvinistic idea being that their speech was (and they themselves were) primitive and rough compared to Greek and the Greeks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 17:06:33 GMT
George Santos: “ Nobody can question my ethics” I think that’s the whole point.
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Post by barbara on Dec 1, 2023 17:08:09 GMT
I was listening to the news about the hostage and prisoner releases between Hamas and Israel and it struck me that they both seem to be mainly following the 'women and children first' approach. I'm all in favour of that but I wonder what women's libbers think about it. I think women in general would quite like to be liberated from the testosterone fuelled urges of some men for power and domination. (Leaving aside for the moment, rape and sexual assault and other abuses).
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 17:16:18 GMT
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 18:09:31 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 18:22:35 GMT
A word that the Greeks coined of course. It essentially meant anyone who didn't speak Greek. I thought the literal meaning of a "barbarian" was someone who sported a beard. Barba being Latin for facial hair. Although I always thought that was a bit harsh on a well known philanthropist like Santa Claus. The tiny flaw there is that the Greeks didn't speak Latin . In fact they initially considered Romans to be barbarians as well until the latter showed them the pointy end of a gladius, which proved a persuasive argument. "Barbarian, word derived from the Greek bárbaros, used among the early Greeks to describe all foreigners, including the Romans. The word is probably onomatopoeic in origin, the “bar bar” sound representing the perception by Greeks of languages other than their own. Bárbaros soon assumed a deeply negative meaning, becoming associated with the vices and savage natures which the Greeks attributed to their enemies. The Romans adopted the word for all peoples other than those under Greco-Roman influence and domination. The name Barbary, once used to describe North Africa, is derived from the region’s Berber inhabitants, not from bárbaros." www.britannica.com/topic/barbarian
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Post by neilj on Dec 1, 2023 18:36:19 GMT
I don't think that's the threat Anderson thinks it is indeed if that doesn't persuade people to rejoin the EU nothing will
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Post by eotw on Dec 1, 2023 18:49:44 GMT
I thought the literal meaning of a "barbarian" was someone who sported a beard. Barba being Latin for facial hair. Although I always thought that was a bit harsh on a well known philanthropist like Santa Claus. The tiny flaw there is that the Greeks didn't speak Latin . In fact they initially considered Romans to be barbarians as well until the latter showed them the pointy end of a gladius, which proved a persuasive argument. "Barbarian, word derived from the Greek bárbaros, used among the early Greeks to describe all foreigners, including the Romans. The word is probably onomatopoeic in origin, the “bar bar” sound representing the perception by Greeks of languages other than their own. Bárbaros soon assumed a deeply negative meaning, becoming associated with the vices and savage natures which the Greeks attributed to their enemies. The Romans adopted the word for all peoples other than those under Greco-Roman influence and domination. The name Barbary, once used to describe North Africa, is derived from the region’s Berber inhabitants, not from bárbaros." www.britannica.com/topic/barbarianWe have come full circle with the Barbarian invitation rugby team frequently referred to as the baa baas
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 18:50:01 GMT
neiljBritain's most remote inhabited island is Foula. It has a population of just 30 they're calling out to you Leeanderthal then they can be even Foula!
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 19:01:40 GMT
neilj Britain's most remote inhabited island is Foula. It has a population of just 30 they're calling out to you Leeanderthal then they can be even Foula! How about Ascension Island? They wanted to send migrants there at one point, so I'm sure 30p Lee would be happy to go.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 1, 2023 19:14:09 GMT
I thought the literal meaning of a "barbarian" was someone who sported a beard. Barba being Latin for facial hair. Although I always thought that was a bit harsh on a well known philanthropist like Santa Claus. The tiny flaw there is that the Greeks didn't speak Latin . In fact they initially considered Romans to be barbarians as well until the latter showed them the pointy end of a gladius, which proved a persuasive argument. "Barbarian, word derived from the Greek bárbaros, used among the early Greeks to describe all foreigners, including the Romans. The word is probably onomatopoeic in origin, the “bar bar” sound representing the perception by Greeks of languages other than their own. Bárbaros soon assumed a deeply negative meaning, becoming associated with the vices and savage natures which the Greeks attributed to their enemies. The Romans adopted the word for all peoples other than those under Greco-Roman influence and domination. The name Barbary, once used to describe North Africa, is derived from the region’s Berber inhabitants, not from bárbaros." www.britannica.com/topic/barbarianWell, as a self-confessed aficionado of the folk etymology of Cassiodorus (c.485 - c 585), which I'm both surprised and extremely disappointed that you don't appear to be too, I can assure you that he stated that the word "barbarian" was made up of the word "barba" (beard) and "rus" (flat earth); for barbarians did not live in cities, making their abodes in the fields like wild animals.
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Post by mercian on Dec 1, 2023 19:39:49 GMT
I was listening to the news about the hostage and prisoner releases between Hamas and Israel and it struck me that they both seem to be mainly following the 'women and children first' approach. I'm all in favour of that but I wonder what women's libbers think about it. I imagine they would be all for it. Dunno about the child libbers though. 👦 🧒 (I can easily imagine you pushing toward the lifeboats on the Titanic with a Wimmin’s Lib placard held aloft as both justification and battering ram.) I'd have volunteered to row the first lifeboat as obviously ladies can't be expected to exert themselves.
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Post by mercian on Dec 1, 2023 19:41:25 GMT
It's a common sentiment. I don't know any Greek but I can make out the word 'barbarians' there A word that the Greeks coined of course. It essentially meant anyone who didn't speak Greek. Perhaps we could sue them for reparations.
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 19:44:13 GMT
However that being said in 21-22 the last full year there were 41,000 assaults recorded on police officers in the UK, Perhaps when arresting people? Maybe not surprising in certain situations? Civilian? Suely police are a force accountable to government for enforcing civil obedience to the state? Its really not much different to the army, just a different specialty. Was there any ethnic motivation do you think? You might have stood out as a bit of a target?
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 19:45:36 GMT
Looks like Sunak is nearly as popular in Greece as he is in the UK 😀 Did they copy the headline from a british newspaper? Or seeking to boost their UK circulation
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 19:59:27 GMT
The tiny flaw there is that the Greeks didn't speak Latin . In fact they initially considered Romans to be barbarians as well until the latter showed them the pointy end of a gladius, which proved a persuasive argument. "Barbarian, word derived from the Greek bárbaros, used among the early Greeks to describe all foreigners, including the Romans. The word is probably onomatopoeic in origin, the “bar bar” sound representing the perception by Greeks of languages other than their own. Bárbaros soon assumed a deeply negative meaning, becoming associated with the vices and savage natures which the Greeks attributed to their enemies. The Romans adopted the word for all peoples other than those under Greco-Roman influence and domination. The name Barbary, once used to describe North Africa, is derived from the region’s Berber inhabitants, not from bárbaros." www.britannica.com/topic/barbarianWell, as a self-confessed aficionado of the folk etymology of Cassiodorus (c.485 - c 585), which I'm both surprised and extremely disappointed that you don't appear to be too, I can assure you that he stated that the word "barbarian" was made up of the word "barba" (beard) and "rus" (flat earth); for barbarians did not live in cities, making their abodes in the fields like wild animals. Typical bloody Roman, coming over here and stealing our Greek words. They'll be claiming to have won all the prizes at the Olympics next: www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/nero-olympics/
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 20:04:45 GMT
I was listening to the news about the hostage and prisoner releases between Hamas and Israel and it struck me that they both seem to be mainly following the 'women and children first' approach. I'm all in favour of that but I wonder what women's libbers think about it. I imagine they would be all for it. Dunno about the child libbers though. 👦 🧒 (I can easily imagine you pushing toward the lifeboats on the Titanic with a Wimmin’s Lib placard held aloft as both justification and battering ram.) In the case of the titanic, the insistance on women and children first meant a lot more died. (though that wasnt the only reason for failure to get away even as many as they theoretically had room for in boats)
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 20:08:01 GMT
A word that the Greeks coined of course. It essentially meant anyone who didn't speak Greek. I thought the literal meaning of a "barbarian" was someone who sported a beard. Barba being Latin for facial hair. Although I always thought that was a bit harsh on a well known philanthropist like Santa Claus. My tame expert says it has nothing to do with beards, but was an insult based on foreigners not being able to speak greek and goin ba-ba-ba
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 20:10:13 GMT
I was wondering whether we are now getting a spate of Russians qualifying for assylum because if they go home they will be called up for military service against Ukraine?
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Post by thylacine on Dec 1, 2023 20:16:03 GMT
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 20:21:44 GMT
neilj Britain's most remote inhabited island is Foula. It has a population of just 30 they're calling out to you Leeanderthal then they can be even Foula! How about Ascension Island? They wanted to send migrants there at one point, so I'm sure 30p Lee would be happy to go. Wouldnt the americans object to us sending refugees there because it has their military base?
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 20:27:20 GMT
Well, as a self-confessed aficionado of the folk etymology of Cassiodorus (c.485 - c 585), which I'm both surprised and extremely disappointed that you don't appear to be too, I can assure you that he stated that the word "barbarian" was made up of the word "barba" (beard) and "rus" (flat earth); for barbarians did not live in cities, making their abodes in the fields like wild animals. Typical bloody Roman, coming over here and stealing our Greek words. They'll be claiming to have won all the prizes at the Olympics next: www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/nero-olympics/Hmm. It seems then both meanings are correct, though the Greek one the earlier derivation meaning people who couldnt speak properly, but then the romans adopted the word changing its understood implied derivation. However I am now led to believe the greeks too saw beards as uncivilised and yes they used a similar word for beard, though they also used an entirely different one. Although my questions were met with, 'which dialect of Ancient greek do you mean'. For all I know they had a whole set of different words for different styles. Just goes to show how complicated something can be. Incidentally, these sources seem to suggest hair being considered a symbol of uncivilised society seems to have extended to beard a bit further down too.
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Post by domjg on Dec 1, 2023 21:40:50 GMT
I don't think that's the threat Anderson thinks it is indeed if that doesn't persuade people to rejoin the EU nothing will How about Heligoland? I'm sure he'd love that.
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Post by kay9 on Dec 1, 2023 22:07:51 GMT
neilj Britain's most remote inhabited island is Foula. It has a population of just 30 they're calling out to you Leeanderthal then they can be even Foula! Why does it have to be an already-inhabited island?
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Post by alec on Dec 1, 2023 22:21:36 GMT
From the Orkney News:
"Reports that Tory deputy chair Lee Anderson says he will "move to Orkney if UK reverses Brexit" leading to house sale inquiries, say local estate agents".
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Post by alec on Dec 1, 2023 22:25:03 GMT
For those interested, I posted a newly published paper on the covid thread earlier which details how SARS-CoV-2 has now been identified as having the ability to directly infect monocytes, which are a type of white blood cell and a key part of the immune system. Activation of these monocytes is associated with a range of inflammatory diseases (diabetes, obesity) and this is the the first time that a virus has been found to have this effect of these particular cells.
Covid keeps on surprising us, and not on the upside.
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 23:20:07 GMT
neilj Britain's most remote inhabited island is Foula. It has a population of just 30 they're calling out to you Leeanderthal then they can be even Foula! Why does it have to be an already-inhabited island? In that case Rockall would be ideal. It has a ledge I believe.
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Post by isa on Dec 1, 2023 23:37:21 GMT
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