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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 6:56:14 GMT
News reporting perhaps ironically, rail unions announce a rolling program of strikes.
The start of the new season of public service strikes which is utterly inevitable after yet another year of wage cuts in real term. This will keep happening up to the next election. Drip drip drip government's fault.
"This government can't lie straight in bed", Mick Whelan aslef general secretary just now, apropos government reneging on promises before the last round of talks.
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 7:05:26 GMT
nickp There's a place for insults but no place for gratuitous insults here. I made it perfectly clear that despite the fact that PC Broadhead acted in compliance with the legal guidance on taser use I wouldn't have done so and would have used other methods. That doesn't make him wrong to do so if anything it would be down to me in those circumstances to explain why I didn't comply with guidance. If you've a problem with that direct it to the home office not to me. And don't call me a police apologist I am routinely critical of police overstep and the politicization of their decision processes at high levels. I'm not however going to insult officers who have acted within their remit and in compliance with home office instructions on safe and appropriate use of equipment. But given that I risked my life to protect members of the public including daft know nothing pricks like you ( That's a non gratuitous insult by the way) I'm not going to take a blind bit of notice of your opinions and will just read your mutterings out of idle curiosity. Here's the bodycam video from the incident in which for those who are interested it's abundantly clear that no significant injury was caused, the officer of course didn't know if there wasn't another person upstairs at risk.The child wasn't rendered unable to move and was able to stand immediately. www.lbc.co.uk/news/footage-police-officer
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 7:18:38 GMT
Forty years ago almost to the day my friend Steve Dodd along with Noel Lane and Jane Arbuthnot were murdered by PIRA terrorists outside of Harrods while doing their duty and protecting members of the public, several other police officers were injured and sadly three members of the public also died along with dozens of injuries.
My support unit was directed to the scene of another bomb warning given by PIRA at the same time ,I was inside the building identified clearing customers and staff when the IED exploded at Harrods , if the warning of a further device made by the IRA had been true I along with my colleagues and civilians would have been injured or killed.
It was our job, we volunteered, we did it as an act to protect members of the public, I'd do it again.
Jane was just 22 years old. RIP brothers and sisters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 7:51:25 GMT
nickp There's a place for insults but no place for gratuitous insults here. I assume your insults are all bought and paid for.
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Post by shevii on Dec 1, 2023 8:27:57 GMT
Green Elects @green_Elects Highgate (Camden) council by-election results: Green HOLD GRN: 58.71% (+7.71)🟢 LAB: 28.72% (-20.48) CON: 9.31% (-1.89) LDEM: 3.26% (-2.04) Total turnout: 33.2% (-15.8) Chgs w/ 2022 Election Not sure how they get the percentage changes not adding up- probably something to do with 3 candidates vs one by election. The actual figures were and based on pjw1961 figures yesterday Greens got their vote out to similar levels from the full locals while Lab voters stayed at home (possibly, or possibly there was a swing among those who voted): Wakjira Fekadu Feyesa Local Conservatives 240 Patricia Leman Labour Party 740 Farrell Monk Liberal Democrats 84 Lorna Jane Russell Green Party 1513
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Post by hireton on Dec 1, 2023 8:29:37 GMT
A new polling toy to play with from Survation:
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 8:38:00 GMT
jib The psychology of police officers is an interesting area. Within 6 months of Harrods my friend Yvonne lay dying next to me having been shot on what had been anticipated to be a low scale routine peaceful protest It was a dark and immensely depressing few months. I wouldn't want people to think my direct experience of multiple police officer deaths was common at the time it wasn't it was fairly unique on the British mainland to central London where I worked . With the resolution of the troubles and the reduction of the number of firearms in circulation and better protective equipment while minor injuries are still routine the number of serious and fatal casualties is significantly reduced. If anyone here has children or grandchildren considering a police career I would urge you to encourage them, while it can be traumatic and often tedious and mundane it has some unique high points where you genuinely know you've made a life changing difference.
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 8:39:07 GMT
Green Elects @green_Elects Highgate (Camden) council by-election results: Green HOLD GRN: 58.71% (+7.71)🟢 LAB: 28.72% (-20.48) CON: 9.31% (-1.89) LDEM: 3.26% (-2.04) Total turnout: 33.2% (-15.8) Chgs w/ 2022 Election Not sure how they get the percentage changes not adding up- probably something to do with 3 candidates vs one by election. The actual figures were and based on pjw1961 figures yesterday Greens got their vote out to similar levels from the full locals while Lab voters stayed at home (possibly, or possibly there was a swing among those who voted): Wakjira Fekadu Feyesa Local Conservatives 240 Patricia Leman Labour Party 740 Farrell Monk Liberal Democrats 84 Lorna Jane Russell Green Party 1513 Correct result but the percentage changes are wrong. They should be: Green +15.0 Labour -13.5 Conservative -0.3 Lib Dem -1.3
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 8:43:35 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Sowerby and Topcliffe - Lib Dem gain from Green
SLADDEN, Dan (Liberal Democrat) 764 - 41.6% (new) ELDERS, Dave (Conservative) 460 - 25.1% (-23.0) LAW, John Timothy (Green) 306 - 16.7% (-35.2) TOMLINSON, Helen Kathleen (Labour) 250 - 13.6% (new) HALL, John Philip (Yorkshire Party) 35 - 1.9% (new) EXOTIC, Stew (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 20 - 1.1% (new)
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Post by shevii on Dec 1, 2023 8:45:45 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Sowerby and Topcliffe - Lib Dem gain from Green SLADDEN, Dan (Liberal Democrat) 764 - 41.6% (new) ELDERS, Dave (Conservative) 460 - 25.1% (-23.0) LAW, John Timothy (Green) 306 - 16.7% (-35.2) TOMLINSON, Helen Kathleen (Labour) 250 - 13.6% (new) HALL, John Philip (Yorkshire Party) 35 - 1.9% (new) EXOTIC, Stew (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 20 - 1.1% (new) I was just going to post that and you beat me to it! So maybe Greens got LD votes last time if the LD didn't stand?
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 1, 2023 8:51:10 GMT
Running battles between EU hooligans and the police at Villa Park last night. Just like old times.
Our Polish friends dismantled a refreshment kiosk and hurled most of its contents into the lower reaches of the Holte End from the adjacent Trinity Road. One of my friends was hit by a plastic tomato ketchup bottle. This allowed him to pretend that he went on stoically to watch the game blood spattered yet unbowed.
Most of the ticketless Poles were barred entry to the ground and kettled throughout the game in a nearby empty car park. Those pockets of fans who did get in were later ejected by stewards when they allowed their celebrations of the Legia Warsaw equalising goal to stray from exuberance into scuffling with home supporters.
What is it with these EU hooligans? They used to come over here taking our jobs, repairing our teeth, building cheap house extensions, fixing plumbing failures and driving down our wages. Now they come here vandalising our burger vans?
And their team almost denied us top spot in our Europa Conference group too.
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 8:57:14 GMT
crossbat11 Maybe blame the " fans" of Legia Warsaw rather than the entire European union?😁 Excellent result in North Yorkshire from a standing start. The other lib dems gain Queen Edith's (Cambridge) council by-election result: LDEM: 35.0% (+14.0) LAB: 31.8% (+19.2) CON: 21.3% (+11.3) GRN: 11.8% (+2.6) No Ind (-36.6) as prev. Votes cast: 2,129 Liberal Democrat GAIN from Independent.
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Post by johntel on Dec 1, 2023 9:14:34 GMT
A new polling toy to play with from Survation: Interesting! Some slightly odd results for Surrey - it's the first prediction I've seen that that the Lib Dems will take Mole Valley (now known as Dorking and Horley - ugh!) yet not any of the other target seats.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 1, 2023 9:18:43 GMT
crossbat11 Maybe blame the " fans" of Legia Warsaw rather than the entire European union?😁 Excellent result in North Yorkshire from a standing start The Legia fans had a good chant though. "You've left and you're still no good, you've left and you're still no good ..." Sung to the tune of some bloody awful Pet Shop Boys former hit jingle and with a Polish accent I can't replicate in text.
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Post by neilj on Dec 1, 2023 9:21:01 GMT
Lots of excitement last week by some political commentators that the tories were closing the gap according to yougov This week Labour’s lead is back to where it was
"Labour lead up four to 23 points in latest YouGov poll for The Times
CON 22 (-3) LAB 45 (+1) LIB DEM 9 (-1) REF UK 10 (+1) GREEN 7 (=)
Fieldwork 29 - 30 November"
Times last week
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Post by jib on Dec 1, 2023 9:21:49 GMT
nickp There's a place for insults but no place for gratuitous insults here. I assume your insults are all bought and paid for. When you are always, always right, insults are just an expression of sincerity.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 1, 2023 9:51:54 GMT
I assume your insults are all bought and paid for. When you are always, always right, insults are just an expression of sincerity. Nicky p still sore about last week's football result. Luton Town 2 Crystal Palace 1. The Steve v nickp showdown goes ttttttooooooooo..... Steve.
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 9:54:46 GMT
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 9:58:18 GMT
crossbat11 Not so much the jolly green giant, more
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 9:59:52 GMT
NORTH YORKSHIRE Sowerby and Topcliffe - Lib Dem gain from Green SLADDEN, Dan (Liberal Democrat) 764 - 41.6% (new) ELDERS, Dave (Conservative) 460 - 25.1% (-23.0) LAW, John Timothy (Green) 306 - 16.7% (-35.2) TOMLINSON, Helen Kathleen (Labour) 250 - 13.6% (new) HALL, John Philip (Yorkshire Party) 35 - 1.9% (new) EXOTIC, Stew (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 20 - 1.1% (new) I was just going to post that and you beat me to it! So maybe Greens got LD votes last time if the LD didn't stand? The result last time was Green 1091, Conservative 1010 in a straight fight. So effectively the Green win was an "Anybody but Tory" result. That lead me to tentatively predict the Conservatives might gain the seat this time but the Tory vote halved in what is Rishi Sunak's home patch.
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 1, 2023 10:05:14 GMT
crossbat11 Maybe blame the " fans" of Legia Warsaw rather than the entire European union?😁 Excellent result in North Yorkshire from a standing start. The other lib dems gain Queen Edith's (Cambridge) council by-election result: LDEM: 35.0% (+14.0) LAB: 31.8% (+19.2) CON: 21.3% (+11.3) GRN: 11.8% (+2.6) No Ind (-36.6) as prev. Votes cast: 2,129 Liberal Democrat GAIN from Independent. I know the Liberal Democrats are keen on recycling, but that result is from last week (23 Nov)!
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 10:06:39 GMT
I think far right lying loons might have what poker players describe as a tell. Off the top of my head I think I might have spotted it.
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Post by shevii on Dec 1, 2023 10:16:56 GMT
Techne UK @techneuk · 1h NEW POLL: Labour lead by 22 points:
Lab: 45% (-1) Con: 23% (+2) Lib Dem: 11% (-1) Reform: 8% (=) Green: 7% (=) SNP: 3% (=) Others: 3% (=)
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 10:39:39 GMT
That doesn't make him wrong to do so if anything it would be down to me in those circumstances to explain why I didn't comply with guidance. For what its worth, I agree with you. The officer may have been wrong, but he has a right to act for his own personal safety and indeed follow training intended to protect him. Its part of the pact made when employing people to do security work that they will be protected as best we can, and allowances made if maybe they sometimes over react. Not saying he did, but he should get the benefit of the doubt. This same issue applies to eg bloody sunday in Ireland, where locals have been baying for the blood of the army involved ever since, who however saw themselves as carrying out the role the state had given them. Same as police in the US shooting dead innocent people, which they do quite regularly. There does come a point where this ceases to be self defence, but this isnt it.
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 10:44:06 GMT
Correct result but the percentage changes are wrong. They should be: Green +15.0 Labour -13.5 Conservative -0.3 Lib Dem -1.3 Very familiar pattern - voters are hardly enamoured with labour either. Its FPP which makes them the likely next government.
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2023 10:48:07 GMT
"Same as police in the US shooting dead innocent people, which they do quite regularly."
That's not compliance with training it's the reverse and of course in some instances criminal behaviour amounting to homicide . Before the incredible sulk jumps in that's not me condoning shooting innocent people it's the acceptance that in a country where firearms are routinely used there can be legitimate mistakes and unforeseen injury.
Appropriate training reduces this.
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 10:52:35 GMT
jib None of us are always right mate. But some of us are more often right than others. View Attachment Its interesting you feel able to post that, whereas a while back remainers were disinclined to accuse leavers of stupidity. And with some justification. The correlation between age and vote is very strong, and the separate correlation between age and formal acadmeic acheivement in terms of exam results and attending university is also strong, because we now educate people a lot more than we did 50 years ago. Although its also true that those attending university 50 years ago are more likely to have ended up as remainers now. But that still doesnt say its because of intelligence rather than their different life experiences compared to working in a factory instead.
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2023 10:56:29 GMT
News reporting perhaps ironically, rail unions announce a rolling program of strikes. The start of the new season of public service strikes which is utterly inevitable after yet another year of wage cuts in real term. This will keep happening up to the next election. Drip drip drip government's fault. "This government can't lie straight in bed", Mick Whelan aslef general secretary just now, apropos government reneging on promises before the last round of talks. Incidentally, there is a serious problem behind this which is about a shortage of trained train drivers and a refusal by rail companies to pay to train new ones. Plus government interference preventing companies freely negotiating to resolve the dispute either by paying what they want, or agreeing to sensible working hours.( which are impossible because there arent enought drivers to do all the driving needed)
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Post by neilj on Dec 1, 2023 11:06:05 GMT
Latest London Mayoral election Labour 50% Tory 23%
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Post by davem on Dec 1, 2023 11:07:00 GMT
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