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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 12:59:56 GMT
Savanta word cloud
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Post by thylacine on Oct 3, 2023 13:12:17 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 13:12:21 GMT
*** ADMIN *** Regarding the recent issues re-new polling threads. Firstly, Mr Poppy was completely within the rules starting a new polling thread. Not only that, he followed the advice on doing so re-thread title to the letter. All but two of the main polling threads on UKPR2 were started by me. When setting this place up, I did not envisage that would be the case but, that is how it panned out. There is currently nothing in the board rules stopping any member from doing so. Whether members want that to continue to be the case is up to all of you. If you only want the main polling threads to be started by me, that is fine - if that is what most members want, I shall instigate a rule change. If most members want things to stay as they are, that is also fine. As to the 'new polling threads' followinng the one Trevor started, while not against the rules, this was just silly and petty. There ca be no sanctions as no rules were actually broken, but, I expect better from members. Regarding frequency of new threads, I rejected the idea of a set timescale (eg, once a month) when suggested a long time ago as it doesn't allow for events (for example, there will be a new polling thread jut before or just after the by-elections on the 19th). If you choose to keep things as they are, allowing members to start new polling threads, all I ask is that it is kept sensible, kept to the format, and no more pettyness. The formatting of the thread name and semi-regular polling threads also give an easy snapshot over time, which I think is useful. In this case, a new polling thread was overdue (my bad), so the first one started by Trevor was welcome. Any and all thought on this are welcome. Briliant Mark My vote is stay as we are. Apologies for my silly thread. |
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 13:21:24 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? Must be, it's on the Savanta official twitter feed |
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Post by thylacine on Oct 3, 2023 13:23:58 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? Must be, it's on the Savanta official twitter feed Looks like the penny is finally dropping with the public at large then đź‘Ť |
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Post by neilj on Oct 3, 2023 13:27:06 GMT
Sunak saying he would accept Farage back into the tory party is also unlikely to be a vote winner
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 13:29:42 GMT
I'm afraid those rules were not universely known or I'm afraid very clear to many. The rule states : "3. Anybody can start a new thread. We would appreciate it if the threads (and thread names) were mainly for new polls, but, when an issue relative to polling comes up, a non polling thread will be allowed, but, please, do this sparingly."
What is unclear about it ?
What evidence do you have that it wasnt " universally " known?
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 13:30:15 GMT
pjw1961Just for accuracy purposes I didn't debate the internal processes of the labour party I made it perfectly clear that that's up to those in the party to address. My point is that Abbott did sort of provide a convenient reason to suspend her. I agree it seems excessive give her fulsome and immediate apology.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 13:35:42 GMT
Assuming that is a representative sample it says it all really. Cons are talking to themselves. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Oct 3, 2023 13:46:32 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? Must be, it's on the Savanta official twitter feed Maybe I missed it, but the word cloud doesn’t include things like “left-wing” and “woke” and too “socialist”, which are not-infrequent complaints about the Tories in the comments over at the Telegraph. (It doesn’t include “lettuce”, either…) |
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 13:49:04 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Oct 3, 2023 13:52:14 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? well there are a few surprises, like “Trustworthy”, “Progressive”, “Safe” and “Amazing” |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Oct 3, 2023 13:55:31 GMT
Having gotten used in recent times to elections every couple of years, with a couple of referenda as well, this more extended period does seem a bit unnecessary |
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Post by thylacine on Oct 3, 2023 14:05:15 GMT
 I'm afraid those rules were not universely known or I'm afraid very clear to many. The rule states : "3. Anybody can start a new thread. We would appreciate it if the threads (and thread names) were mainly for new polls, but, when an issue relative to polling comes up, a non polling thread will be allowed, but, please, do this sparingly."
What is unclear about it ?
What evidence do you have that it wasnt " universally " known?
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You obviously did and still posted I don't think you should assume others behaved in the same way. Many people who stayed in the previous thread were clear they were waiting for Mark to arrive and state the correct position. |
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Post by bardin1 on Oct 3, 2023 14:11:22 GMT
Re the prodigious threadstarter discussions I am not too fussed really who starts them - more that I can find and follow the 'hot topic' of the day.
Another site I use has some key threads 'stickied' to the top of the page. Other posts appear below in the order of the thread with the latest post. I would suggest a simple thead which Mark can monitor which is 'latest Westminster poll' (perhaps with restrictions on who can post to it - have to have more than 20 posts or whatever - to avoid spamming) and another which is 'By election results'. The non stickied threads could of course include a new poll - so the poll would be included in the stickied thread but could also be a new thread, non stickied below which would be duiscussed until the next one comes along. So a typical thread list might be
Sticky: Rules of the Board
Sticky: Covid discussions go aeslsewhere, please
Sticky: Latest Westminster poll
Sticky: Latest by election results
Sticky: Latest topical polls
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Delta Poll
Tory Party Conference
Political jokes and memes (so every time steve posts a funny this comes back to the top)
Immigration poll
Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election
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Post by wb61 on Oct 3, 2023 14:14:24 GMT
Re the prodigious threadstarter discussions I am not too fussed really who starts them - more that I can find and follow the 'hot topic' of the day. Another site I use has some key threads 'stickied' to the top of the page. Other posts appear below in the order of the thread with the latest post. I would suggest a simple thead which Mark can monitor which is 'latest Westminster poll' (perhaps with restrictions on who can post to it - have to have more than 20 posts or whatever - to avoid spamming) and another which is 'By election results'. The non stickied threads could of course include a new poll - so the poll would be included in the stickied thread but could also be a new thread, non stickied below which would be duiscussed until the next one comes along. So a typical thread list might be Sticky: Rules of the Board Sticky: Covid discussions go aeslsewhere, please Sticky: Latest Westminster poll Sticky: Latest by election results Sticky: Latest topical polls ----------------------------------- Delta Poll Tory Party Conference Political jokes and memes (so every time steve posts a funny this comes back to the top) Immigration poll Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election That sounds awfully complicated for a bear of little brain such as me!! |
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Post by patrickbrian on Oct 3, 2023 14:14:49 GMT
Looking at the papers this morning, i thought the next election campaign has already begun, all the right wing press swinging heavily behind Sunak. I expect an election in May- not later , because the necessary show of unity can't be kept up longer, - and a really concerted effort to get the ducks in a row and turn the polls around, which I expect to be partially successful. I can't see Sunak wanting to face another conference.
Don't think the Liz Truss thing will come to anything though. I'd also be surprised if Sunak can win - though I've been surprised before!
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Post by bardin1 on Oct 3, 2023 14:16:01 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? well there are a few surprises, like “Trustworthy”, “Progressive”, “Safe” and “Amazing” I've been amazed at how "sh*t" the "c&nts" have been recently, so not a surprise to me. "Trustworthy" must be an outlier though. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 3, 2023 14:39:12 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? well there are a few surprises, like “Trustworthy”, “Progressive”, “Safe” and “Amazing” 'Amazing' could be taken two ways. They certainly amaze me. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 3, 2023 14:42:47 GMT
Hi Mark, I for one feel that only you as admin should be able to create a new main thread and I am pretty confident that will be the majority feeling. My reasoning as follows Avoids confusion, avoids disagreement of choice of poll to lead thread. Avoids suspicion of partisanship in choice of poll lead. Is decisive in terms of the decision and will prevent these unfortunate events occurring again. I agree with this. I knew Trevor was well within his rights, so made no protest about it, but the peremptory way it was announced was guaranteed to irritate people and split the site - which it did. Simpler to leave it to Mark. Obviously members should be allowed to create threads on other topics as now. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Oct 3, 2023 14:49:49 GMT
I'm afraid those rules were not universely known or I'm afraid very clear to many. The rule states : "3. Anybody can start a new thread. We would appreciate it if the threads (and thread names) were mainly for new polls, but, when an issue relative to polling comes up, a non polling thread will be allowed, but, please, do this sparingly."
What is unclear about it ?
What evidence do you have that it wasnt " universally " known?
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It was very decent of you to apologies for getting involved in y'days 'silliness'. I was out playing golf so it was all 'deleted' before I got to see it. The rules do seem pretty clear to me but some people perhaps never read them or only reminded themselves after I didn't break #3. I've posted a reply on the matter at hand on the thread that shevii kindly set up to avoid the 'main thread' getting clogged down with 'What should the board look like' comments (and so those kind of comments can be kept in one place) ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/7/board?page=7On a number of occasions I've suggested an 'amnesty' for repeated breaking of rule #2 which I will repost below given it is possible some people have never ready the rules, or perhaps need a 'reminder'? "2. No flaming or trolling other users. We understand that political discussion can be passionate at times, but, please keep it polite. When there are differences of opinion, argue the point, not the member posting it. Once again, offenders will be warned, repeat offenders will be kicked."
ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/5/general-rules-post-readNoting it does state 'other users' so all politicians are IMO 'fair game' - provided rule #1 isn't broken of course! Rule #4 is.. well.. 'optimistic' I suppose and 'what's good for the goose..'  PS On a slightly separate issue then the 'like' Police has cropped up in the past. People can 'like' a post for whatever personal reason they like IMO. I've just 'liked' a couple of very funny ones - although I'm not sure they were intended to be funny.  |
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 14:55:47 GMT
I can see why the frog faced hate gimp Farage decided not to rejoin the Tory party with people like Braverman setting the agenda they're just too extreme for him.
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Post by leftieliberal on Oct 3, 2023 14:59:02 GMT
Love this, but is it for real? well there are a few surprises, like “Trustworthy”, “Progressive”, “Safe” and “Amazing” But you need a microscope to read those.  |
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 15:03:40 GMT
Crack team of anti woke culture warriors arrive to inspect your recycling bins. All they need is to find someone who can count to seven.  |
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Post by steve on Oct 3, 2023 15:07:57 GMT
From the website of The London Buddhist Centre:
The London Buddhist Centre wishes to clarify that Ms Braverman is neither a member of the Triratna Buddhist Order nor has she attended the Centre in recent times.
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Therefore neither The London Buddhist Centre nor Triratna has any responsibility for, or indeed, any influence with regard to actions carried out or statements issued by Ms Braverman in her role as an MP and Minister of the Government.
This is not surprising. Triratna teaches two main meditation practices, one of which is "the development of loving kindness".
Buddhists try to live by five moral precepts. The fourth of these is "To abstain from false speech", which not only means to abstain from lying (although it most certainly means that) but also means to abstain from harsh, malicious or divisive speech.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Oct 3, 2023 15:13:05 GMT
Assuming that is a representative sample it says it all really. Cons are talking to themselves. I stated it was 'pointless' before as CON members don't 'vote' on policy. 'Useless' would cover that and expand a little, given how little new or exciting CON have come up with in what might be the last conference before a GE. Whilst 'nothing new' then I did like (PM in waiting) Kemi's speech. For those that want to read the actual speech, rather than pundits views, then... www.ukpol.co.uk/kemi-badenoch-2023-speech-to-conservative-party-conference/I can't have empathy for any black woman as I'm not a black woman but she did mention what a black friend of mine has previously called a kind of 'Munchausen Syndrome' where being black is used as an excuse or, worse, a 'Munchuasen by proxy' where some* people need black/BAME people to be seen as victims so make them victims (visible as people getting offended on behalf of other people - even when those people don't feel they've been offended). "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character"
Martin Luther King, Jr.
* whilst that is often 'white' people then some time ago I was accused of being a 'white saviour' for trying to get minority people into a minority sport. 'Positive Action not Positive Discrimination' isn't something that occurs only in the 'workplace' and I was pretty shocked to see my offer of time and help thrown back with car tyres slashed, etc. www.bannerjones.co.uk/resources/positive-action-not-positive-discrimination# |
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Post by leftieliberal on Oct 3, 2023 15:15:38 GMT
"2. No flaming or trolling other users. We understand that political discussion can be passionate at times, but, please keep it polite. When there are differences of opinion, argue the point, not the member posting it. Once again, offenders will be warned, repeat offenders will be kicked."
ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/5/general-rules-post-readNoting it does state 'other users' so all politicians are IMO 'fair game' - provided rule #1 isn't broken of course! Rule #4 is.. well.. 'optimistic' I suppose and 'what's good for the goose..' I would go a little further than that and say that you should not intentionally libel people, even politicians. Either Mark, as owner of the board, is the one who will get the takedown notice, or it will go to Proboards who will then jump on Mark for allowing it. Best to keep our noses clean, remembering that many more people read this board than post on it. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Oct 3, 2023 15:22:19 GMT
So not a lot of interest amongst gen.pub then...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 15:23:12 GMT
The rule states : "3. Anybody can start a new thread. We would appreciate it if the threads (and thread names) were mainly for new polls, but, when an issue relative to polling comes up, a non polling thread will be allowed, but, please, do this sparingly."
What is unclear about it ?
What evidence do you have that it wasnt " universally " known?
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It was very decent of you to apologies for getting involved in y'days 'silliness'. Not really. I thought Mark dealt with the episode with a sure hand. He was right to delete my thread which was a deliberate intervention about the partisan divide which bedevils the site, and was in breach of the rules having no reference to polling in it. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Oct 3, 2023 15:28:03 GMT
It was very decent of you to apologies for getting involved in y'days 'silliness'. I thought Mark dealt with the episode with a sure hand. He was right to delete my thread which was a deliberate intervention about the partisan divide which bedevils the site, and was in breach of the rules having no reference to polling in it. Eh?  |
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