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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 10:35:28 GMT
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 19, 2023 10:40:00 GMT
Alternatively, Unite are looking out for their members' interests. As a Unite member, I find Sharon Graham to be a highly effective operator in that regard. To be honest, regardless of where the truth lies with this particular story, it would be eminently sensible for the unions to be wary of Labour backsliding on workers' rights given the party's embrace of big business under Starmer and err... all their other u-turns. I respectfully beg to differ, and think that Graham's pronouncements have far more to do with Unite's internal politics than anything else. But then I'm a member of Unison.  Agreed. I'm a member of Prospect and have seen at first hand the way Unite members and officials treat members of other unions in workplaces where they have bargaining rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 10:40:12 GMT
It seems to me that the two massive policy errors since Thatcher which have effectively ruined the UK are austerity and Brexit - and you can make a strong case that without austerity we wouldn’t have had Brexit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 10:51:15 GMT
Just briefly read some of the “policy” ideas of one of the Republican Primary candidates. Vivek Ramaswamy, and gosh, these people are really very, VERY scary - totally bonkers in their ultra-extreme, right wing theories. Our right wing politicians would be regarded as “woke”!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 10:55:48 GMT
It seems to me that the two massive policy errors since Thatcher which have effectively ruined the UK are austerity and Brexit - and you can make a strong case that without austerity we wouldn’t have had Brexit Certainly without Cameron (and Clegg for allowing it all to go through) brexit would never have developed into a potential - and then an actual - referendum. Even then, when he was in sole charge, Cameron could have put in place safeguards such as a confirmatory referendum that gave options. The past five Tory PMs have all been awful but he began our descent into chaos. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 19, 2023 11:00:11 GMT
Colin/Alec The Letby case is deeply disturbing on a number of levels, and the Inquiry is bound to expose some appalling maladministration and negligence. Maybe even something worse, but, for now, I am more interested in Letby and her crimes. Not in the sense of any morbid fascination, but more in relation to what in earth motivated her to do what she did. I am not in any way qualified to talk about the psychology involved here, but I was interested to hear a criminologist talk about the case on Newsnight last night. He specialised in the study of Health workers who end up killing or harming those that they care for. They are extremely rare crimes, thank goodness, but in Shipman, Allitt and now Letby, patterns can be observed, apparently. The killers have characteristics that make it very difficult for employers and managers to detect and stop them. The criminologist, who has studied all these cases in depth, said that all of the offenders had probably decided they wanted to kill quite some time before they actually did so. No clues about this would be detectable in terms of past or current behaviour. They would be popular with colleagues and patients too, but there was nothing reactive or impulsive about their murdering. They would have been seeking out victims, and access to them, for some considerable time. The victims would be the most vulnerable, the ill very young and old, where death could be explained away by natural causes and the real reasons often concealed for years. This allowed Letby to kill over a twelve month period. No selection procedures could ever be sufficiently honed to be able to detect these people before they were recruited. The pattern is that they have no past history of offending They then hide in plain sight, probably doing good work, before the dreadful ticking time bomb within them detonates. There must be a cause for their psychopathy but it's beyond my ken. I heard a specialist on R4 yesterday opining that we will never know why she did it because she will never talk about it. Of course you wont spot these people at recruitment-the police are looking at infant mortality in her previous places of work ! Surely the greater concern is how to stop them killing after they have been hired , with day to day procedures , trip wires and warning indicators . And fearless adherence to them by all levels of management. So on to another enquiry which will conclude that we must learn the lessons which all previous enquiries told us to learn. Yes, and I am sure those are the very areas that the Inquiry will focus on in time. I share some of your scepticism about past Inquiry recommendations in the health service and the rate of their implementation. In fairness, in the case of Shipman, there has been some success in closing some of laxity in general practice that he exploited, particularly in relation to morphine administration and dosage. I'm less sure what happened in the Allit and Norris cases. Listening to the criminologist last night though, and he has spent his career studying these cases, I was struck by the virtual impossibility of detecting signs and indicators that would help in pre-empting the killing sprees that these very rare psychopathic individuals enact. Restrospection may reveal hints missed, but the criminologist outlined the extent of the offenders devious cunning and their skill in targeting victims with the specific purpose of minimising the risk of either prevention or detection. |
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Post by neilj on Aug 19, 2023 11:02:36 GMT
Re the earlier discussion about capital punishment and the Letby case
Two points spring to mind, first from every thing I have read about the case I very much doubt it would of been a deterrent
Secondly one of the big issues with capital punishment was the reluctance of some juries to convict unless they thought the evidence was overwhelming
In the Letby case it may have even resulted in a not guilty verdict. As it was several of the charges did and in some others they couldn't reach a verdict
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 19, 2023 11:07:14 GMT
@cafrew - very true. Covid deaths stats are based on death certificates, so all of them have covid as the or a cause, so the death would not have happened without covid. The problem comes now from deaths where covid isn't tested for, and there is increasing evidence that hospitals are refusing to test patients, even where relatives have given a +ve LFT test. I'm also interested now as I'm seeing doctors (named accounts) sharing emails from administrators asking whether they can identify "patients suitable for corridors", in August. This seems to happen every time we have a covid wave. And there is no flu. Good point about reduced Covid testing, and there is of course an important distinction between respiratory illnesses and things like stroke. Because the issue isn’t simply about where you put the effort concerning existing illnesses, heart disease vs. stroke vs. cancer etc. - A big part of the point is that people may not actually HAVE Covid when they go in hospital, they may contract it there. Whereas if they are being treated for a stroke, they are rather less likely to have picked that up in hospital. it’s one thing to prioritise spending etc. for existing illnesses, things they contract before going to hospital, but this is a bit different to trying to make sure you don’t suffer additional unnecessary injury - including picking up infections - while in the hospital for something else. My Dad went into hospital for a check up, contracted pneumonia and never made it out of there. An elderly person I knew went into hospital for a check up because kept fainting. Nurse sat her on the bed, and she fainted, the bed wheels weren’t locked so the bed moved and she fell and broke her hip. So she had to stay in a lot longer and contracted MRSA. She never made it out of there either. |
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Post by steve on Aug 19, 2023 11:07:48 GMT
jib"Yes Marty we have to go back to 2010 to discover why the totally unrelated actions of the current government happened. But that makes no sense Prof. I know Marty but I need someone to deflect from the abject clusterfuck of my brexitanians making. If My Calculations Are Correct, When This Baby Hits 88 Miles Per Hour, You're Gonna See the ghost of Danny Alexander" 
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 11:15:11 GMT
So this women’s World Cup will end with Europe in first, second and third place. But I have a feeling after seeing some of the other teams around the world playing in this tournament that this will begin to even out quite rapidly,
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Post by alec on Aug 19, 2023 11:42:55 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - Those kinds of stories are far too frequent in my view. One thing that really strikes me is how the UK health systems are declining to undertake tests and screening for covid related issues. I know [personally of two individuals with multiple symptoms 3mths+ confirmed covid who have occupied local health services for multiple tests, from multiple specialists, without any reference to infection history. One has finally got a diagnosis of long covid, the other is told she's got various unconnected things wrong with her, but these keep changing, and the specialists keep changing their minds. I've read many accounts now of how doctors in some other countries are recommending specific tests and monitoring post covid. In some systems, like the US, it could be argued that doctors would do well from generating additional work, but this goes beyond those with a vested interest. In Australia, their equivalent of the British Heart Foundation now recommends anyone suffering from a covid infection should have a heart scan at 3 months, with regular check ups for the next year, because they understand how infection - even after multiple vaccines - creates silent biomarkers in the heart which are linked with subsequent heart failure. There are also many cases of UK patients going to Germany to get paid for blood scans to detect microclots, which then allows them to buy treatments with a good record of improvement. The NHS isn't looking for this stuff at all, and then turns round and tells us there are no problems, because there is no data. Meanwhile, people keep dying in much greater numbers than previously, but it's all some kind of mystery.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 19, 2023 12:01:46 GMT
So this women’s World Cup will end with Europe in first, second and third place. But I have a feeling after seeing some of the other teams around the world playing in this tournament that this will begin to even out quite rapidly, Slightly odd comment Mr Crofty, sir - of the 8 women's world cups to date the USA have won 4 and Japan 1. European teams have only won 3 (Germany 2, Norway 1). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup_finals |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 12:16:49 GMT
So this women’s World Cup will end with Europe in first, second and third place. But I have a feeling after seeing some of the other teams around the world playing in this tournament that this will begin to even out quite rapidly, Slightly odd comment Mr Crofty, sir - of the 8 women's world cups to date the USA have one 4 and Japan 1. European teams have only won 3 (Germany 2, Norway 1). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup_finalsI was talking “now”, not history and also thinking of African teams in particular. Just think it will become more competitive world wide - which is good, so long as England keep actually winning it of course. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 19, 2023 12:20:34 GMT
So this women’s World Cup will end with Europe in first, second and third place. But I have a feeling after seeing some of the other teams around the world playing in this tournament that this will begin to even out quite rapidly, Slightly odd comment Mr Crofty, sir - of the 8 women's world cups to date the USA have one 4 and Japan 1. European teams have only won 3 (Germany 2, Norway 1). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup_finalsI suspect that the dominance of the USA comes from there being more money in the game in the USA. More money makes it more attractive for players to turn professional and that in turn raises standards because players go from training part-time to training full-time. The one cloud on the horizon that I see for the womens' game is the frequency of ACL injuries. Training and coaching methods are still based on male footballers and it may be that differences in physiology between men and women dictate that training and coaching methods should differ. Without research into the number of ACL injuries to women footballers being suffered at the moment it will be difficult to identify what is causing them. |
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Post by laszlo4new on Aug 19, 2023 12:24:01 GMT
Just on Unite union.
I was advising another union (there were three unions in a particular workplace) just before Covid on negotiating with the management. Unite plainly refused to collaborate with the other two unions (one is a member of the TUC). It was quite striking (not for playing on words), at it was even more so when trying to involve their regional officers. Had they joined the collaboration, the negotiation would have been over in 3 weeks (one of the managers told me much later, but I sensed it anyway), but in this way it has never really been finished and the workers suffered for a long time as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 12:30:27 GMT
I suspect that the dominance of the USA comes from there being more money in the game in the USA. More money makes it more attractive for players to turn professional and that in turn raises standards because players go from training part-time to training full-time. The one cloud on the horizon that I see for the womens' game is the frequency of ACL injuries. Training and coaching methods are still based on male footballers and it may be that differences in physiology between men and women dictate that training and coaching methods should differ. Without research into the number of ACL injuries to women footballers being suffered at the moment it will be difficult to identify what is causing them. Very true. At the end of the day they are still just soppy gurls 👧 (<<<< soppy gurl) and we need to make allowances for that. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 19, 2023 12:31:57 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - Those kinds of stories are far too frequent in my view. One thing that really strikes me is how the UK health systems are declining to undertake tests and screening for covid related issues. I know [personally of two individuals with multiple symptoms 3mths+ confirmed covid who have occupied local health services for multiple tests, from multiple specialists, without any reference to infection history. One has finally got a diagnosis of long covid, the other is told she's got various unconnected things wrong with her, but these keep changing, and the specialists keep changing their minds. I've read many accounts now of how doctors in some other countries are recommending specific tests and monitoring post covid. In some systems, like the US, it could be argued that doctors would do well from generating additional work, but this goes beyond those with a vested interest. In Australia, their equivalent of the British Heart Foundation now recommends anyone suffering from a covid infection should have a heart scan at 3 months, with regular check ups for the next year, because they understand how infection - even after multiple vaccines - creates silent biomarkers in the heart which are linked with subsequent heart failure. There are also many cases of UK patients going to Germany to get paid for blood scans to detect microclots, which then allows them to buy treatments with a good record of improvement. The NHS isn't looking for this stuff at all, and then turns round and tells us there are no problems, because there is no data. Meanwhile, people keep dying in much greater numbers than previously, but it's all some kind of mystery. If you recall the doctor who worked in a hospital and used to pop up on the old board: he once challenged me over something to do with infection rates. I asked him what he was using to calculate the rates, he said antibody data, I pointed out the issues with doing that, he got the point and was fine about it. It was the same in hospital. Foe example, if I pointed out to a doctor he was about to use the wrong anaesthetic, and he would ask me why, and I would say why, then he would ask what anaesthetic I would suggest instead, and I would say, and he would go with that. But how often managers are willing to listen and entertain alternatives might be something else. Still it’s good that some countries are considering the evidence on heart impacts, clotting etc. etc. (Some of the stuff I cited recently about impacts of Covid spike proteins on the gut etc. was from the Lancet. So you never know…) |
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Post by johntel on Aug 19, 2023 12:37:05 GMT
It seems to me that the two massive policy errors since Thatcher which have effectively ruined the UK are austerity and Brexit - and you can make a strong case that without austerity we wouldn’t have had Brexit Certainly without Cameron (and Clegg for allowing it all to go through) brexit would never have developed into a potential - and then an actual - referendum. Even then, when he was in sole charge, Cameron could have put in place safeguards such as a confirmatory referendum that gave options. The past five Tory PMs have all been awful but he began our descent into chaos. I don't remember Labour or any other party making a fuss about confirmatory referendums before the event - they were all convinced Remain would win and thought that admitting the possibility it might not would boost the Brexit vote - so I don't think it's fair to blame Cameron and Clegg. |
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Post by johntel on Aug 19, 2023 12:40:27 GMT
Re the earlier discussion about capital punishment and the Letby case Two points spring to mind, first from every thing I have read about the case I very much doubt it would of been a deterrent Secondly one of the big issues with capital punishment was the reluctance of some juries to convict unless they thought the evidence was overwhelming In the Letby case it may have even resulted in a not guilty verdict. As it was several of the charges did and in some others they couldn't reach a verdict I get the impression that the Letby jury did a very thorough and painstaking job job. |
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Post by steve on Aug 19, 2023 12:44:09 GMT
Interesting from save British farming a quiz from 2017 between a brexitoid farmer and a remain voting farmer on the impact of Brexit on British agriculture over the next few years. No prizes for guessing who got it right. youtu.be/ozBZIyP4ooc |
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Post by Mark on Aug 19, 2023 12:49:17 GMT
I suspect that the dominance of the USA comes from there being more money in the game in the USA. More money makes it more attractive for players to turn professional and that in turn raises standards because players go from training part-time to training full-time. I'm led to believe that in many places in America, girls play football as standard (whereas what we call 'American Football' is seen as the standard game for boys), just as boys play football as standard here. This is a significant factor as genuine talent can be spotted that may be missed if some don't play the game. In China, many play snooker as standard in school. It's no co-incidence that there are a fair few Chinese snooker players inthe world top 16... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 12:59:20 GMT
Certainly without Cameron (and Clegg for allowing it all to go through) brexit would never have developed into a potential - and then an actual - referendum. Even then, when he was in sole charge, Cameron could have put in place safeguards such as a confirmatory referendum that gave options. The past five Tory PMs have all been awful but he began our descent into chaos. I don't remember Labour or any other party making a fuss about confirmatory referendums before the event - they were all convinced Remain would win and thought that admitting the possibility it might not would boost the Brexit vote - so I don't think it's fair to blame Cameron and Clegg. I’m blaming Cameron for very simple reasons: HE was Prime Minister and HE called the referendum - and for purely party political reasons. He lost it and buggered off. It was disgraceful, unnecessary and reckless and has had appalling consequences. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 19, 2023 13:09:13 GMT
I don't remember Labour or any other party making a fuss about confirmatory referendums before the event - they were all convinced Remain would win and thought that admitting the possibility it might not would boost the Brexit vote - so I don't think it's fair to blame Cameron and Clegg. I’m blaming Cameron for very simple reasons: HE was Prime Minister and HE called the referendum - and for purely party political reasons. He lost it and buggered off. It was disgraceful, unnecessary and reckless and has had appalling consequences. He was a cocky, overconfident gambler in the mould that Eton seems to churn out. That damn establishment has so much to answer for. He had also been emboldened by the Scottish independence referendum result. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 13:13:38 GMT
I’m blaming Cameron for very simple reasons: HE was Prime Minister and HE called the referendum - and for purely party political reasons. He lost it and buggered off. It was disgraceful, unnecessary and reckless and has had appalling consequences. He was a cocky, overconfident gambler in the mould that Eton seems to churn out. That damn establishment has so much to answer for. He had also been emboldened by the Scottish independence referendum result. Much though I love Scotland (and was born there) I would rather that they had won independence and we had both stayed within the EU. The result would have pretty much been continuity wouldn’t it? |
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Post by steve on Aug 19, 2023 13:30:14 GMT
@fecklessmiser
I've nothing to offer in defence of Clegg, I was a Labour party member at the time.
I think if the lib dems had still been in coalition with the Tories after 2015 as I suspect Cameron wanted the referendum would have been kicked into the very long grass and if held at all would have seen a change in the mandate for participation and possibly the majority required.
But they weren't and the clustershambles of the 2016 referendum was entirely down to the Tories making and design.
But I'm sure jib will be along to explain how it was really all Danny Alexander's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 13:34:11 GMT
An excerpt of Marina Hyde excoriating FIFA president Giannini Infantino
She begins: “If you’re a woman and happened not to be listening, here’s an excruciating readout of his thoughts:”
“And I say to all the women – and you know I have four daughters, so I have a few at home – I say to all the women, that you have the power to change. Pick the right battles. Pick the right fights. You have the power to change. You have the power to convince us men what we have to do and what we don’t have to do. You do it. Just do it. With men, with Fifa, you will find open doors. Just push the doors. They are open.”
Amazing that he thinks it is women who should use their “power to change” when all the power in the world of football has been, and largely still is, male dominated.
And “just push the doors, they are open.” is just funny with its visual imaging.
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Post by steve on Aug 19, 2023 13:39:20 GMT
La Roja have done magnificently to reach the final for a team only recently in the top 10 in the world they are clearly overachievers.
It should be a great match between the tournament's best two teams but I suspect England's experience might be a tad too much for them on the day.
Oh by the way soccer is the fastest growing sport both in terms of viewing and participation in the USA
Almost as many high school students play soccer as grid iron the numbers of participants growing 300% in the last twenty years for soccer while grid iron has stagnated.
At current trends in terms of participation soccer will have exceeded North American football by 2030.
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Post by graham on Aug 19, 2023 14:09:18 GMT
@fecklessmiser I've nothing to offer in defence of Clegg, I was a Labour party member at the time. I think if the lib dems had still been in coalition with the Tories after 2015 as I suspect Cameron wanted the referendum would have been kicked into the very long grass and if held at all would have seen a change in the mandate for participation and possibly the majority required. But they weren't and the clustershambles of the 2016 referendum was entirely down to the Tories making and design. But I'm sure jib will be along to explain how it was really all Danny Alexander's fault. That is far from clear because the LDs had come out in favour of a Referendum as early as 2008. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 14:20:54 GMT
I don't remember Labour or any other party making a fuss about confirmatory referendums before the event - they were all convinced Remain would win and thought that admitting the possibility it might not would boost the Brexit vote - so I don't think it's fair to blame Cameron and Clegg. I’m blaming Cameron for very simple reasons: HE was Prime Minister and HE called the referendum - and for purely party political reasons. He lost it and buggered off. It was disgraceful, unnecessary and reckless and has had appalling consequences. But they never learn do they!
Sunak is now toying with playing the same game with the ECHR, with possibly the same consequences.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 19, 2023 14:33:05 GMT
So the regime insisted on a return to pre covid examination focused grading at A levels. Surprise surprise the students taking the exams , most their first closed exams after the debacle of covid school shutdowns and who have missed large chunks of their education and grades fell, congratulations to the students for doing about as well as the 2019 cohort in very difficult circumstances. Let's shaft some more young people. It's the Tory way. Interesting program about costs of university accommodation yesterday. Since students are largely gunded now by loans, then what concerns them is how much the size of loan they are allowed has risen compared to costs. While accommodation has been busy getting more expensive, loan sizes have not been going up. Loans were introduced because politicians decided they could no longer afford to give students grants sufficient for them to live on while at university. But now they arent even willing to give them loans sufficient to cover their costs at university!! I expect thats because they know most of that money will never get repaid because graduates just will not earn enough. But isnt this insane? I caught another program which was interviewing two midwives. They also discussed the growth of the university course to medical jobs, one of them had trained on the job which no longer happens. Its another example where people in the past were taught by people doing the job already and were even paid while they learnt. Its akso a hidden cost of a medical career nowadays, that you have to pay to be educated for years instead of being paid to learn. Does no one notice how much this has reduced the labour force? Is it really a cost effective approach to medicine? Not sure how it works in medicine, but one thing about learning on the job like that in some cases, is that rather than having a lecturer overseeing a bigger group, perhaps with a cut down task to make things easier to teach and assess, you might get one-to-one coaching from a professional on an actual task in the workplace, something more challenging. |
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