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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:06:03 GMT
Ah the wonderful world of Universal Peace, Harmony, Love and Mutual Respect. Comrades all  Didn't you once accuse me of popping in periodically just to make the odd snide comment? |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Aug 17, 2023 11:17:14 GMT
Oh and while we are the subject of kickieball, isn't it now fair to say that relatively, English women are superior to English men? Can add that to the long list  . I thought that was widely understood ever since they started allowing coursework to count towards exam marks. , most GCSE's now don't include coursework since 2015 (found that out as my eldest son is currently doing them). Girls still out performing boys though! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:21:41 GMT
Ah the wonderful world of Universal Peace, Harmony, Love and Mutual Respect. Comrades all WTF are you banging on about now? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:24:34 GMT
I thought that was widely understood ever since they started allowing coursework to count towards exam marks. , most GCSE's now don't include coursework since 2015 (found that out as my eldest son is currently doing them). Girls still out performing boys though!Doesn't surprise me. Don't really think boys should have to go to school at all. Basically just pits of boredom or fear. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 17, 2023 11:36:19 GMT
A good "long read" from The Guardian www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/17/the-eurocentric-fallacy-the-myths-that-underpin-european-identityThe author, Hans Kundnani, has an Indian father, a Dutch mother, and lives in Britain. He makes the point that the reality of the EU is not so different from nationalism; it is just on a continental rather than a country scale and emphasises the whiteness of the vast majority of Europeans. Seen from this viewpoint, it is easy to see the direct parallels between the EU countries blocking refugees crossing the Mediterranean and our Tory Government doing the same for refugees crossing the Channel. In neither case is there a recognition of common humanity. The article itself is an edited extract from his new book "Eurowhiteness: Culture, Empire and Race in the European Project", published by Hurst. I'm not sure anyone thought that expressing a 'European' identity and believing in the EU project (at whatever level) were a proxy idea for world government or a brotherhood of man, whatever the lyrics to Ode to Joy (from Beethoven's 9th). I personally feel I have culture in common instinctively with people from a similar backgroup in other EU countries that I would not with someone from China or Vietnam for example. On the other hand, everyone I know who has a 'European' multi-national, potentially multi-lingual identity is also very open other non-European peoples and cultures. It's a mindset and being 'European' at least starts you off on the journey of accepting and valuing diversity from wherever in the world. There's also a strong element of realpolitik as we live in the real world. The EU pools and magnifies power. Small European nations on their own cannot, as Britain is discovering, call global shots or get their own way in international trade on their own but the EU allows them to do that together. The EU is a international regulation superpower so that regulations such as GDPR are now adhered to the world over, including in the US. If Europe wants to remain relevant on the world stage in the China/US dominated world to come then the EU is essential to allow us to play at Augenhöhe as the Germans would say. So let's not pretend that the EU is really all about fluffy, ideological internationalism. It's in large part about magnifying power and so it should be. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 17, 2023 11:39:25 GMT
Michael Parkinson RIP. The great days of BBC Saturday night television. The Generation Game, Kojak, Parkinson and Match of the Day. All drew vast audiences and ITV more or less packed in and went home for the night. Parky was a great journalist too. Wrote for the Times for many years. Cricket lover and Yorkshireman to this core. Personally I think the hours of coverage on BBC news about Parkinson dying shows how inward looking and self obsessed the BBC are. I doubt many people under the age of 50 have even heard of him nor give a toss about whether he got attacked by an emu, indulged Mohammed Ali's abuse of Joe Frazier or objectified or bullied women guests. Completely over the top coverage about an 88 year old who used to do a chat show. I must admit I didn't even know he was still alive. |
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2023 11:41:26 GMT
colin As opposed to the happy clappy, self satisfied smugfest la la land of the loony right? ( Actually I sort of agree with you don't let anyone know)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:43:27 GMT
Ah the wonderful world of Universal Peace, Harmony, Love and Mutual Respect. Comrades all Didn't you once accuse me of popping in periodically just to make the odd snide comment? I did-its quite good for a change isn't it ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:44:17 GMT
colin As opposed to the happy clappy, self satisfied smugfest la la land of the loony right? ( Actually I sort of agree with you don't let anyone know) Wouldn't dream of it ! ps-just been reading some stuff about the demise of the Nation State. But not replaced by Universal Co-operation of Mankind I'm afraid-by something which predates them. The City State. Mega Cities of course today-what a prospect ! |
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Post by jib on Aug 17, 2023 11:47:44 GMT
6th largest world economy does not equal "small European nation".
Realpolitik does mean we need alignment with the Single Market, but rejoining the EU? No.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:48:50 GMT
Didn't you once accuse me of popping in periodically just to make the odd snide comment? I did-its quite good for a change isn't it ? There's a theory that when we insult people, or hate them, it's really that they remind us of ourselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:53:47 GMT
I did-its quite good for a change isn't it ? There's a theory that when we insult people, or hate them, it's really that they remind us of ourselves. I think i prefer the other theory- that we actually hate them & its fun to let them know. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 17, 2023 11:57:21 GMT
6th largest world economy does not equal "small European nation". Realpolitik does mean we need alignment with the Single Market, but rejoining the EU? No. "6th largest world economy does not equal "small European nation". - In the mid to late twenty first century yes it will I'm afraid and we're only going to fall ever further down that ranking. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 17, 2023 11:58:50 GMT
There's a theory that when we insult people, or hate them, it's really that they remind us of ourselves. I think i prefer the other theory- that we actually hate them & its fun to let them know. Crikey, what a world to inhabit. Dear oh dear oh dear |
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 17, 2023 12:02:58 GMT
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I haven't seen any of the media coverage about Parky and you're probably right about it being a bit OTT. I'm currently having a picnic by the side of the canal. Lunch time idling on my smartphone. Seen no TV coverage at all.
I merely made my comments in the light of liking the man, mainly based on his writing rather than his TV persona. That said, I always thought he was one of our best TV chat show interviewers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 12:04:36 GMT
There's a theory that when we insult people, or hate them, it's really that they remind us of ourselves. I think i prefer the other theory- that we actually hate them & its fun to let them know. Ah! but that's you just being in denial about your own self-loathing. |
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2023 12:10:13 GMT
jib Or indeed the 14th largest GDP per capita in Europe 25th in the World and going down.We were 15th in the World in 2007 22nd in 2019
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 12:40:51 GMT
I think i prefer the other theory- that we actually hate them & its fun to let them know. Crikey, what a world to inhabit. Dear oh dear oh dear Very weird indeed. Maybe help is available? |
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2023 12:43:35 GMT
A mixture of comedy gold and offensive from Sunakered's latest outing as prime minister meets the public. According to Sunakered he's only been in politics for seven years, which begs the question what was he doing in the 14 months after getting elected as an MP in May 2015. youtu.be/glyR8fShFG0 |
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Post by graham on Aug 17, 2023 12:49:56 GMT
Michael Parkinson RIP. The great days of BBC Saturday night television. The Generation Game, Kojak, Parkinson and Match of the Day. All drew vast audiences and ITV more or less packed in and went home for the night. Parky was a great journalist too. Wrote for the Times for many years. Cricket lover and Yorkshireman to this core. Personally I think the hours of coverage on BBC news about Parkinson dying shows how inward looking and self obsessed the BBC are. I doubt many people under the age of 50 have even heard of him nor give a toss about whether he got attacked by an emu, indulged Mohammed Ali's abuse of Joe Frazier or objectified or bullied women guests. Completely over the top coverage about an 88 year old who used to do a chat show. I certainly agree about the BBC contemplating its own navel whether in respect of the passing of Broadcasters or changes to the Licence Fee etc. Parkinson did though have a chat show running until 2007 - so many under 30 will surely recall him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 12:53:28 GMT
Just read about riots, attacks on people, torching of properties and churches and so on in Pakistan, where “sacrilege” (?!?) is punishable by death. Made me think just how utopian the idea of a “united world” is given the incredibly different sensitivities, religious practices etc etc etc between all of us. In the so-called hippy days I was never attracted to the concept of visiting India with its caste system, found Russia utterly weird when I visited with my classical guitar ensemble and have no interest in the USA as a place to go to. Just examples of many others of course. As others have pointed out, we actually ARE European and will all be a long time dead before the “citizen of the world” concept even remotely approaches reality. If ever. Probably more likely that humans will manage to destroy it before then. (Enjoy your day…  ) |
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Post by graham on Aug 17, 2023 12:57:59 GMT
Attlee in retirement was not a fan of the Common Market but did believe in World Government - doubtless in an idealistic sense related to the United Nations concept.
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Post by Mark on Aug 17, 2023 13:18:21 GMT
Denounce 'Just Stop Oil's' tactics (which IIRC Greens have done) and start 'influencing' the discussion with sensible and 'popular' policies . Don't let RUK set the agenda. Firstly, on actual 'green' stuff, surely the Green party have indeed influenced the agenda. Yes, we are now seeing something of a publick backlash, to some things, such as ULEZ, which the tories are now latching on to, hoping to make it a wedge issue, but, even where there is a backlash, the policy was there in the first place for there to be a backlash against. I do agree thouh, that we need, if anything, to speed up on green measures. On other things, economics, defence, education, health, what you would regard as 'sensible' policies would likely be very different to what I would. The Greens in the UK are currently LOC-green, something I would readily support, but, there is no reason tht there can't be a ROC-green or centrist green party. Such a thing currently doesn't exist because the main ROC party is tacking in the opposite direction and also because FPTP, which encourages large, broad church parties, is the current voting system. As to 'popular', while that again, is different for different people, it is certainly possible for the Greens to take a more populist direction...you can certainly be left-populist just as much as right-populist, but, surely such an approach would alienate as many as it attracts? |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Aug 17, 2023 13:19:21 GMT
Attlee in retirement was not a fan of the Common Market but did believe in World Government - doubtless in an idealistic sense related to the United Nations concept. |
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2023 13:39:10 GMT
Just 15% of Americans don't think the Traitor did something wrong 20% of republicans would never vote for him and an overwhelming majority of independents. You don't win a general election from that position. youtu.be/w7_9TojbN3g |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 17, 2023 13:42:03 GMT
Denounce 'Just Stop Oil's' tactics (which IIRC Greens have done) and start 'influencing' the discussion with sensible and 'popular' policies . Don't let RUK set the agenda. Yes, we are now seeing something of a publick backlash, to some things, such as ULEZ, which the tories are now latching on to, hoping to make it a wedge issue, but, even where there is a backlash, the policy was there in the first place for there to be a backlash against. I do agree thouh, that we need, if anything, to speed up on green measures. On other things, economics, defence, education, health, what you would regard as 'sensible' policies would likely be very different to what I would. The Greens in the UK are currently LOC-green, something I would readily support, but, there is no reason tht there can't be a ROC-green or centrist green party. Such a thing currently doesn't exist because the main ROC party is tacking in the opposite direction and also because FPTP, which encourages large, broad church parties, is the current voting system. As to 'popular', while that again, is different for different people, it is certainly possible for the Greens to take a more populist direction...you can certainly be left-populist just as much as right-populist, but, surely such an approach would alienate as many as it attracts? Have they? What examples can you think of. CON did move a little 'Greener' under Boris and 'twas Boris who..
"Mayor confirms world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone"www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/ultra-low-emission-zoneand who as PM moved the date forward to 2030 on..
"Government takes historic step towards net-zero with end of sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030"
www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-historic-step-towards-net-zero-with-end-of-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030I don't think that was due to any 'influence' from Green Party of E&W but by all means provide some evidence to how you think Greens have had influence in Westminster. Both main parties are RoC (Economic Axis) and tacking away from Green issues (ie becoming more 'Climate Delay') and hence why it is TBC if Greens will see any rise in VI and avoid any 'squeeze' (to LAB/ABCON) in a GE. All small parties love PR as it would give them some/more MPs but there is no reason why either 'broad church' party has to move to 'Climate Delay' given most polling shows people are aware of the importance of Climate/Environmental issues. Chris Skidmore being a notable CON MP trying to prevent CON's shift (although IMO he lacks some nuance of the different aspects) IMO 'Environment' is a separate axis of political awareness but it does overlap and hence cause nuance/friction with other axis (eg fiscal discipline). Some of the other categories you pick (defence, education, health) have nuance as well and I previously posted the YG analysis showing that 'Left v Right' is complicated. Perhaps I should clarify what I mean by 'sensible': 1/ Costed 2/ Not going to break us away from NATO allies or overly stress trade deals unless that is by intention (eg a Carbon Border Adjustment Tax would likely see 'retaliation' but that would be part of the intention) 3/ Not going to piss people off (hence the issue of 'Just Stop Oil' tactics) or make UK even more reliant on imported energy. 4/ Simple (as in KISS). Few people have time or interest to read the essays on Greens website* so will 'simplify' (possible misinterpret) what Greens hope to achieve (eg IMO their immigration policy is "let everyone in", in contrast to RUK who are "let no one in") (and 5/ 'popular' either in current polling or after shifting the debate and awareness) I've used UKIP as an example of 'influence' into GE'15 as that led to Brexit. I've shown how RUK are setting the agenda on the 'pro-motorist' issue with CON scared to lose VI to RUK and LAB hoping to win CON'19 voters (and at the currently unfounded risk of losing much from LAB'19 voters) I look forwarded to you showing how Greens have ever had much influence in GEs (and would accept that Corbyn-LAB was quite Green) but more importantly what influence they hope to have in the current and foreseeable future. NB To avoid any SNAT comment then Greens is used in the context of Westminster and GEs. I'm aware SGP has influence in Scotland. PS There is some correlation between the view of 'Environment' as an important issue and age (which is perhaps somewhat 'causal'). There is also correlation between age and VI and on other issues then I think we can agree that Greens are LoC (Economics) and more 'wokey' but see #4 above. * policy.greenparty.org.uk |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 17, 2023 13:55:00 GMT
There's a theory that when we insult people, or hate them, it's really that they remind us of ourselves. I think i prefer the other theory- that we actually hate them & its fun to let them know. !?!? The Royal "We"? I hope no one thinks it is "fun". I'm disappointed if you see it that way. We (as in I) are not amused! |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 17, 2023 14:42:37 GMT
Well his dad did make "tools" and I'd certainly agree he's a CON man:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 15:25:38 GMT
I think i prefer the other theory- that we actually hate them & its fun to let them know. Ah! but that's you just being in denial about your own self-loathing. Do you embrace your own self loathing ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 15:31:15 GMT
I think i prefer the other theory- that we actually hate them & its fun to let them know. !?!? The Royal "We"? I hope no one thinks it is "fun". I'm disappointed if you see it that way. We (as in I) are not amused! Some folk really do take life on this board far too seriously. Dear oh dear. As they say. |
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