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Post by Dave on Aug 16, 2023 21:27:50 GMT
I assume that's tongue in cheek as I think literally no-one would equate supporting England in sport with supporting the current govt. If it is then the loc England cricket team supporting lot on here are in serious trouble! It was why I was perfectly happy to see Australia retain the Ashes. Words fail. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 21:43:48 GMT
More wise words from Wellington
"You must build your House of Parliament on the river: so... that the populace cannot exact their demands by sitting down round you."
In Sir William Fraser 'Words on Wellington' (1889) p. 163
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 21:46:23 GMT
More wise words from Wellington "You must build your House of Parliament on the river: so... that the populace cannot exact their demands by sitting down round you." In Sir William Fraser 'Words on Wellington' (1889) p. 163 I believe they did try that at first. Then decided to build it BY the river as a sort of compromise. (though only after losing a lot of bricks) |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 22:07:11 GMT
i'm pleased to say, given that I admire Wellington's generalship, that he never actually said that, or at least there is zero evidence he did. It was attributed to him by the Irish Nationalist Daniel O'Connell because Wellington opposed Irish independence and O'Connell was keen to dispute Wellington being seen as Irish. Wellington's own views about Ireland seem to have been rather complex, but he was certainly a Unionist, although also the prime minister who enfranchised Catholics. www.irishphilosophy.com/2018/08/06/oconnell-wellington/More that he was part of the Irish Protestant ascendancy, so one of the less probable figures to bite the historically inevitable bullet of catholic emancipation. It was a sort of a "only Nixon can go to China" moment. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 22:09:31 GMT
I believe that bank holidays lead to a reduction in economic output - is this an uncosted policy from Starmer for the further impoverishment of England in pursuit of his narrow nationalism?
Taking to Twitter, Starmer, wrote: "It’s almost 60 years since England won the World Cup. I’m never complacent about anything… but there should be a celebratory bank holiday if the Lionesses bring it home."
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 22:10:36 GMT
Why did you say "although also the prime minister who enfranchised Catholics" - as if that was contradictory to the Union of Ireland and GB? English and Scots Catholic Unionists might take exception to that! More that he was part of the Irish Protestant ascendancy, so one of the less probable figures to bite the historically inevitable bullet of catholic emancipation. It was a sort of a "only Nixon can go to China" moment. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 22:17:24 GMT
More that he was part of the Irish Protestant ascendancy, so one of the less probable figures to bite the historically inevitable bullet of catholic emancipation. It was a sort of a "only Nixon can go to China" moment. Well, emancipation of Catholics would lead to the electoral success of the Irish Parliamentary Party and pressure for Home Rule, and the failure to get that, led to Sinn Fein and independence, but of course Wellington was long dead by then and couldn't have foreseen the implications of what he did. Let's give the bloke some credit - whatever his motivations it was the right thing to do. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 22:19:21 GMT
I believe that bank holidays lead to a reduction in economic output - is this an uncosted policy from Starmer for the further impoverishment of England in pursuit of his narrow nationalism? Taking to Twitter, Starmer, wrote: "It’s almost 60 years since England won the World Cup. I’m never complacent about anything… but there should be a celebratory bank holiday if the Lionesses bring it home."Do I detect a touch of envy there? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 22:29:24 GMT
More wise words from Wellington "You must build your House of Parliament on the river: so... that the populace cannot exact their demands by sitting down round you." In Sir William Fraser 'Words on Wellington' (1889) p. 163 One that might appeal to you. When Wellington was British representative at the Congress of Vienna during the period while Napoleon was exiled to Elba, it is said he attended a ball where, as he entered, a group of French officers who were there turned their backs to him. The Austrian hostess apologised for their rudeness and the Duke replied "Don't worry Madam, I have seen their backs before." |
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Post by peterbell on Aug 16, 2023 22:31:07 GMT
BBC News waxing lyrical re the 1.1% drop in inflation, Sky News less so. What neither have mentioned is the fact that if you were paying £100 in July 21 for a package of goods, then the average cost now will be £117.58 (if my maths are correct). How many people have had a 17.5% increase in income over the past 2 years. Certainly not the nurses, doctors or teachers and I suspect the majority of people outside the financial institutions or other high flying jobs.
Yes, a reduction in inflation is good news, but the news organisations should be making clear that people are still a lot worse off - the government won't admit it.
Many people don't really understand inflation, believing that if it is decreasing, then prices will reduce rather than rising more slowly. I have even heard TV commentators and MPs not appreciating this. Therefore this needs to be made clear to the man/woman in the street.
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 22:32:49 GMT
I believe that bank holidays lead to a reduction in economic output - is this an uncosted policy from Starmer for the further impoverishment of England in pursuit of his narrow nationalism? Taking to Twitter, Starmer, wrote: "It’s almost 60 years since England won the World Cup. I’m never complacent about anything… but there should be a celebratory bank holiday if the Lionesses bring it home."Do I detect a touch of envy there? Starmer is talking gibberish. There was no Bank Holiday in 1966 - nor on the occasions that the Ashes have been regained. Would any suggested Bank Holiday be confined to England - or extended to other regions of the UK? |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 22:35:46 GMT
oldnat"Support for indy shows a small rise, but essentially remains static. Around half of the Scots electorate would prefer Scotland to be an independent state, and that is an unstable position for the UK" It would be equally or more unstable for an independent Scotland. Also I think you do your fellow contributors a disservice we aren't all country centric and I would want to see the best available U.K. wide government for all of the U.K.
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 22:42:48 GMT
graham Actually there were 9 bank holidays in 1966 if you include Easter Sunday. There weren't any for the world cup final ,Starmer didn't say there had been, which was played on a Saturday at the end of july.
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Post by eor on Aug 16, 2023 22:43:49 GMT
Trump facing possible wipe-out at election if he wins the Republican nomination: inews.co.uk/news/world/donald-trump-polls-uphill-battle-us-voters-255125353% of Americans polled said they would definitely not vote for him, and a further 11% that they would probably not vote for him. Even giving him all the undecideds, that's a 64%-36% thrashing. Even Goldwater won 39% of the popular vote against LBJ in 1964. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Trump could become the first Presidential candidate from one of the two major parties not to carry a single state; Goldwater carried six in 1964, all Southern (including Arizona, his home state). Alas not. 64% of Americans polled said they would definitely or probably not vote for him, but the poll was All Adults, so historically about 40% of them aren't going to vote for anyone at all. It just doesn't translate into VI, as the nearly 20% who definitely or probably aren't going to vote for either Trump or Biden shows. Actual VI polling remains pretty level, for whatever it's worth so far out from the election. www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.htmlcrossbat11 is right to say it's premature to assume these two will definitely be the nominees - they are both currently unassailable in primary terms but the uncertainties are so much higher than they'd usually be for leads anywhere near this size, and personally I don't think either remains a viable candidate if the other is forced to withdraw. But for now they're what we have. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 22:43:54 GMT
More wise words from Wellington "You must build your House of Parliament on the river: so... that the populace cannot exact their demands by sitting down round you." In Sir William Fraser 'Words on Wellington' (1889) p. 163 I believe they did try that at first. Then decided to build it BY the river as a sort of compromise. (though only after losing a lot of bricks) 👍 Genuine chuckle. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 22:46:38 GMT
More wise words from Wellington "You must build your House of Parliament on the river: so... that the populace cannot exact their demands by sitting down round you." In Sir William Fraser 'Words on Wellington' (1889) p. 163 One that might appeal to you. When Wellington was British representative at the Congress of Vienna during the period while Napoleon was exiled to Elba, it is said he attended a ball where, as he entered, a group of French officers who were there turned their backs to him. The Austrian hostess apologised for their rudeness and the Duke replied "Don't worry Madam, I have seen their backs before." From what I've read about him he was a top bloke, though no doubt he would have considered me one of his 'scum of the earth'. 😁 |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 22:46:44 GMT
Fani Willis files a proposed March 4th Trial Date for the Crapo de Crapo and his gang members in Fulton county.
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 22:50:23 GMT
eorThe anti and pro traitor turnout at the last general election was historically high. It's entirely conceivable that even more people would choose to exercise their democratic mandate to vote against a indicted or convicted multiple felon to prevent his election.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 22:54:00 GMT
One that might appeal to you. When Wellington was British representative at the Congress of Vienna during the period while Napoleon was exiled to Elba, it is said he attended a ball where, as he entered, a group of French officers who were there turned their backs to him. The Austrian hostess apologised for their rudeness and the Duke replied "Don't worry Madam, I have seen their backs before." From what I've read about him he was a top bloke, though no doubt he would have considered me one of his 'scum of the earth'. 😁 The rest of that quote was "enlisted for drink" so you'll have to tell me if that is true  |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 22:55:13 GMT
The rapist traitor is facing a FIFTH INDICTMENT for attempting to overturn 2020 Election!
This time in Arizona
Arizona’s Attorney General is currently investigating, and Governor Katie Hobbs says she hopes to see Arizona’s fake electors face criminal charges.
"Absolutely. I have been an advocate for holding folks involved in trying to overturn the will of the voters in the 2020 election accountable, and this is part of that," Hobbs said.
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 22:58:17 GMT
As it's nearly midnight and Crofty's dropped me from the midnight shift, I thought I'd share a little anecdote that happened today. We needed some sort of cable connector because I'd mowed the cable of our mower. We went to B&Q together because I couldn't be trusted to get the right thing on my own. While going round, I confided to my wife that I always felt uncomfortable in these places because I know nothing about practical stuff, and that all the hefty blokes carrying sheets of plasterboard or mysterious tools to the checkout could spot that I was an imposter immediately - a bit like going into a country pub and immediately being recognised as a townie. Anyway, we found what was needed and went to the self-checkout. Instantly a shop assistant rushed over to show us how to use it. I looked at my wife and said "You see, they always know".
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Anyway I wired it all up today and will attempt mowing tomorrow if it doesn't rain. If you don't hear from me again, the wiring didn't go too well. 😁
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 22:59:32 GMT
From what I've read about him he was a top bloke, though no doubt he would have considered me one of his 'scum of the earth'. 😁 The rest of that quote was "enlisted for drink" so you'll have to tell me if that is true I've never enlisted. 😁 |
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Post by eor on Aug 16, 2023 23:01:57 GMT
BBC News waxing lyrical re the 1.1% drop in inflation, Sky News less so. What neither have mentioned is the fact that if you were paying £100 in July 21 for a package of goods, then the average cost now will be £117.58 (if my maths are correct). How many people have had a 17.5% increase in income over the past 2 years. Certainly not the nurses, doctors or teachers and I suspect the majority of people outside the financial institutions or other high flying jobs. The minimum wage has gone up 17% in that time. It'll be the people who are enough above NMW that their pay doesn't get affected by it spiking who are getting the rough end, but there'll be many millions benefiting from the NMW increases, either directly or because of knock-on effects, the need to maintain differentials between people and their supervisors etc. So in wage terms at least it's not as simple as the rich doing well and the poorest getting screwed. Isn't it different again to that? What you say is true if there's little volatility but if there's a lot of volatility then 12-month inflation and day-to-day prices aren't particularly related at all? ie if volatile prices were to actually fall from one month to the next, the inflation rate would drop a bit just as it would if the prices were a bit higher than the previous month but with less of a rise than was usual? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 23:05:12 GMT
"Support for indy shows a small rise, but essentially remains static. Around half of the Scots electorate would prefer Scotland to be an independent state, and that is an unstable position for the UK" It would be equally or more unstable for an independent Scotland. Also I think you do your fellow contributors a disservice we aren't all country centric and I would want to see the best available U.K. wide government for all of the U.K. I'm afraid steve, that in oldnat's world wanting the best UK government makes you an extreme Ukanian nationalist. You should probably resign from the Lib Dems immediately and join RefUK |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 23:06:03 GMT
The rest of that quote was "enlisted for drink" so you'll have to tell me if that is true I've never enlisted. 😁 But have you been offered enough drink? |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 23:10:32 GMT
graham Actually there were 9 bank holidays in 1966 if you include Easter Sunday. There weren't any for the world cup final ,Starmer didn't say there had been, which was played on a Saturday at the end of july. There was no Bank Holiday in 1966 called to celebrate England's World Cup triumph. In England & Wales there were 6 Bank Holidays that year - plus a further substitute day because Christmas Day fell on a Sunday. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 23:13:53 GMT
As it's nearly midnight and Crofty's dropped me from the midnight shift, I thought I'd share a little anecdote that happened today. We needed some sort of cable connector because I'd mowed the cable of our mower. We went to B&Q together because I couldn't be trusted to get the right thing on my own. While going round, I confided to my wife that I always felt uncomfortable in these places because I know nothing about practical stuff, and that all the hefty blokes carrying sheets of plasterboard or mysterious tools to the checkout could spot that I was an imposter immediately - a bit like going into a country pub and immediately being recognised as a townie. Anyway, we found what was needed and went to the self-checkout. Instantly a shop assistant rushed over to show us how to use it. I looked at my wife and said "You see, they always know". ----------------- Anyway I wired it all up today and will attempt mowing tomorrow if it doesn't rain. If you don't hear from me again, the wiring didn't go too well. 😁 I’ve just read a mower manual on your behalf. Apparently, if you mow the grass and not the cable they are reasonably safe. (Don't mention it, happy to help.) |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 23:17:42 GMT
Indeed - so sod all to do with "Unionism". Well, emancipation of Catholics would lead to the electoral success of the Irish Parliamentary Party and pressure for Home Rule, and the failure to get that, led to Sinn Fein and independence, but of course Wellington was long dead by then and couldn't have foreseen the implications of what he did. Let's give the bloke some credit - whatever his motivations it was the right thing to do. |
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Post by eor on Aug 16, 2023 23:22:11 GMT
eor The anti and pro traitor turnout at the last general election was historically high. It's entirely conceivable that even more people would choose to exercise their democratic mandate to vote against a indicted or convicted multiple felon to prevent his election. At 66% it was unusually high yes, whereas 60% was pretty typical for numerous elections prior to that one. But then that's also 66% of registered voters - the poll of All Adults presumably includes the unregistered voters too so the uncertainty would be rather greater again. As to the other impacts next time, it's guesswork. Would those who managed to be disinterested in both 2016 and 2020 and would now oppose Trump because it's suddenly clear he's a crook outweigh those who voted for Biden in 2020 but wouldn't do so again because of his clear ageing decline? Who knows, in the era of modern polling I don't think there's been a major party candidate in either situation. |
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Post by eor on Aug 16, 2023 23:34:19 GMT
Wales only voted for Devolution in Autumn 1997 by the margin of 0.6% - ie 50.3% to 49.7%. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement. A lot has changed in Wales since 1997. We even have mains electricity now. It's even been a good few years since I've had to habitually leave my mobile phone perched on the front window sill of my parents' house in case anyone should try to contact me whilst I'm there. |
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