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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 18:16:01 GMT
We’ve got nearly 600 pages to go before we surpass the world record for length! This is a young and healthy thread - just like me. Apart from being healthy of course.  (Or young.)  Re: health, has batters taken you for some walking footie etc.? He offered - but I thought it seemed too dangerous when I saw how bad his limp was. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 18:19:46 GMT
Wales only voted for Devolution in Autumn 1997 by the margin of 0.6% - ie 50.3% to 49.7%. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement. A lot has changed in Wales since 1997. We even have mains electricity now. That may well be true boyo - but I understand that you have to turn the wheels yourself, which then makes watching English telly difficult. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 18:25:46 GMT
God knows what he will say to the poor lady in his church if the Lionesses win and she mentions it!! I shall pray for her barbara |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 18:27:06 GMT
Re the footy, I am amazed and impressed with the speed at which women’s football in this country has improved, and over such a relatively short period of time as well. It really is incredible and today demonstrated that in just about every area of the game.
(One thing they do need to improve though is their fouling - it still seems a little bit girly 👧 at the moment.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 18:28:58 GMT
How do you know that "her barbara" needs praying for? Blimey, that’s a bit tortured, even for you Mr. Nat. |
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Post by johntel on Aug 16, 2023 18:33:41 GMT
That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Strictly speaking every football team outside the UK is an anomaly, because we invented the game and played the first internationals between ourselves. Strictly speaking the British invented just about every sport worth playing. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 18:38:01 GMT
Re: health, has batters taken you for some walking footie etc.? He offered - but I thought it seemed too dangerous when I saw how bad his limp was. well yes quite, I was thinking more for his health really, in case he needed you to take him to the doc after another mishap on the pitch 🚑 |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 18:39:04 GMT
Strictly speaking every football team outside the UK is an anomaly, because we invented the game and played the first internationals between ourselves. Strictly speaking the British invented just about every sport worth playing. including walking football? 😧 |
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Post by Danny on Aug 16, 2023 18:50:14 GMT
And realising before buying my 12.9 inch iPad it would cost around £600 IIRC to replace the screen on that if anything bad happened, since then have taken Apple Care out on three subsequent iPad purchases. Good marketing strategy then, to create a monopoly only they can satisfy. But should they be allowed to do this? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 18:58:45 GMT
Neither of them was born in Scotland, and I got in terrible trouble once with oldnat for "spouting racist claptrap" (if I recall his phrase correctly) for suggesting people of Scottish descent but not born there counted as in any way Scottish. Also MacKinnon wasn't captain. List of the 9 Scottish born England cricketers here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_international_cricketers_born_outside_of_EnglandAside from them, I well remember the very useful Essex middle order batsman Brian Hardie, who came from Stenhousemuir and had played for Scotland. I remember Brian Hardie well. Very decent county player. I watched him bat for Essex at Worcester a fair few times. A bit of a "sticker". Difficult to winkle out when set, if I remember rightly. Most counties had middle order batsmen of that ilk in that era. Alan Ormrod was Worcester's equivalent. Bazball and T20 not even a figment of anyone's imagination back in 1970s and 80s! Andy Goram was an interesting Scottish cricket international. Better known for his goalkeeping exploits for Scotland, he was a fine cricketer too who played four times for the Scotland cricket team. He sadly died quite recently. I'll reply to that on the sports thread, as otherwise it would be a digression to far  |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 18:58:58 GMT
And realising before buying my 12.9 inch iPad it would cost around £600 IIRC to replace the screen on that if anything bad happened, since then have taken Apple Care out on three subsequent iPad purchases. Good marketing strategy then, to create a monopoly only they can satisfy. But should they be allowed to do this? Well, you can get third party repairs, but not always using original components etc., screen may not perform as well and so on |
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Post by Rafwan on Aug 16, 2023 19:00:05 GMT
Rafwan I have covered my issues with the Labour party under Corbyn before. Very briefly Totally inadequate response to Brexit Opposed to PR and cross party cooperation on issues where there is agreement Very ambivalent position on NATO and Russian aggression. I didn't have fundamental objections to much of the economic and social policy but I fundamentally believed that Corbyn because of his unwillingness to compromise and the fact that a large percentage of the electorate simply didn't consider him suitable that Labour under his leadership were never going to be placed in a position by the electorate to deliver anything. Some but by no means all of these issues have been addressed by a more plausible leader. If you are asking whether I think Corbyn should ever have been elected in the first place of course I don't that's why I voted for other candidates twice. Personally I think his serial disloyalty to Labour in government should have had him de-selected as a candidate in 2001. Many thanks for the response, steve. Because I am not 100% Corbynphobic, I have had the unsettling experience of finding many of my friends refuse to discuss the matter with me (and some refuse to talk to me at all). So I am very happy to find someone who will! I really do not think the first three claims stand up to the facts as known, as we have discussed extensively elsewhere. And you broadly agree with him on economic and social policy. Key points then are electoral failure and disloyalty. Yes I can see and agree with those, but I think his breaking of the whip was in good faith and could be tolerated, given that he got such strong backing from the properly constituted selectorate. I too had thought he was a huge electoral disadvantage (which is why I didn’t vote for him in the leadership elections) but this changed with the 2017 result, which in just two years saw the biggest uplift in vote share between any consecutive elections (usually four or five years) since 1945. It was then clear to me that he had a real possibility of winning and should be afforded every possible backing. Whatever Rachel Reeves says, he would have been infinitely better than the government we now have. But the real concern is that he has become a cypher for anything considered ‘left wing’ (i.e. the social and economic policies). As you complain, Keir Starmer appears to keep backing away from these, because of his fear that anything ‘Corbynite’ will be electoral kryptonite. So until the falsehoods surrounding Corbyn are exposed and lanced, they will become a real impediment to progress and possibly even electoral gain, given the evident tilt to left among the electorate. |
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Post by Danny on Aug 16, 2023 19:00:47 GMT
Graduates no longer companies’ top priorityJack Barnett Wednesday August 16 2023, 12.01am, The Times “ Companies are five times more likely to seek recruits based on skills than on qualifications
UK businesses are dropping degree requirements for new staff and giving priority to candidates with specialised skills, research out today shows. So the inflation produced by requiring so many to go to university has devalued degrees as a means of picking good candidates. Possession of a degree has become meaningless. A friend of mine, little bit younger, said that when he was at university his tutor advised him he needed to do a masters, because first degrees were going to become worthless. This isnt such a new concept, employers in the Uk have long preferred to employ someone already able to do whatever it is, rather than train them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 19:09:18 GMT
He offered - but I thought it seemed too dangerous when I saw how bad his limp was. well yes quite, I was thinking more for his health really, in case he needed you to take him to the doc after another mishap on the pitch 🚑 Think his mates expected him to hop last time and I would like to fit in with local customs. |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 19:18:11 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade. There is something joyless about it all. Always feeling the need to be the party pooper. If you're not interested in football, or sport more generally, and know absolutely nothing about it as Graham demonstrates, why feel the need to comment on it? Swerve it and move on, surely. Maybe he just gets pleasure pouring cold water on other people's excitement. Puritans used to despise pleasure of every sort, remember. And to use political party affiliations as a basis for determining sporting favouritism is a demonstration of not only totally misunderstanding the essence of sport, but of becoming dangerously obsessed with politics too. God knows what he will say to the poor lady in his church if the Lionesses win and she mentions it!! It is unlikely to arise as the game takes place at lunchtime whereas the service begins at 6.30pm. Moreover, there is a rota of people who chair the meetings so there is a fair chance she will not be involved. No other chairman there would be at all likely to do something quite so inappropriate.The lady concerned is more than a little lacking in 'insight' others might desribe her as 'limited' - and I would be inclined to refrain from confronting her with such facts in full public view in front of the congregation. |
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Post by Danny on Aug 16, 2023 19:25:21 GMT
BoE's one and only mandate is inflation. They don't care about a recession and as has been noted many times then arguably they are trying to force a recession (on the basis that a recession reduces aggregate demand, moves unemployment above the NAIRU, etc). No... they have a duty to ensure the pound does not collapse. I'm not sure they have to follow the direction on inflation either, don't they just have to write a letter every month saying sorry if they miss it? As I keep saying, and its not just me various other experts say so from time to time, the bank had not choice but to raise interest rates...BECAUSE THE US DID SO. It was necessary to stabilise the UK currency that they follow the US. Its entirely possible they end up with recession plus intractable inflation. The news has had little to say about the steadily rising housing inflation, they seemed to studiously avoid it. It isnt following the pattern of other goods inflation and coming down but still rising. And food inflation while dropping is still high at 15%. If you arent an average citizen as per the calculation to create the headline inflation rate, then some are comparatively laughing as their inflation is well less than thei pay rises. While others have below average pay rise, but above CPI inflation. Its a game of two halves. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 19:30:27 GMT
Well, Midnight with Mercian was a bit of a damp squib last night wasn't it? There he was, "catching up" like a non-stop one-man right wing rebuttal unit and "we no likey" any of his posts. Not even Lord Haw Haw from British Columbia. Maybe Big Col will come in with some retrospective stroking. Careful, you'll give the game away by overdoing it. You know very well that I was tasked by HQ to become a 'common enemy' because they had detected signs of dissent on this board between different wings of the Party. They thought it would help unite them all in attacking the token right-winger. I thought you were in on it. EDIT: Whoops. should've done a PM.  |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 19:35:03 GMT
And The MacKinnon of MacKinnon Neither of them was born in Scotland, and I got in terrible trouble once with oldnat for "spouting racist claptrap" (if I recall his phrase correctly) for suggesting people of Scottish descent but not born there counted as in any way Scottish. Also MacKinnon wasn't captain. List of the 9 Scottish born England cricketers here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_international_cricketers_born_outside_of_EnglandAside from them, I well remember the very useful Essex middle order batsman Brian Hardie, who came from Stenhousemuir and had played for Scotland. Quite right. I deleted Jardine when I realised that he was born in India, though brought up in Scotland. However, though born in England anyone calling himself The MacKinnon of MacKinnon can't be anything but Scottish can he? On the other point, Warks had Dougie Brown of England and Scotland. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 19:39:30 GMT
Graduates no longer companies’ top priorityJack Barnett Wednesday August 16 2023, 12.01am, The Times “ Companies are five times more likely to seek recruits based on skills than on qualifications
UK businesses are dropping degree requirements for new staff and giving priority to candidates with specialised skills, research out today shows. So the inflation produced by requiring so many to go to university has devalued degrees as a means of picking good candidates. Possession of a degree has become meaningless. A friend of mine, little bit younger, said that when he was at university his tutor advised him he needed to do a masters, because first degrees were going to become worthless. My son was told the same thing 30 years ago. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 19:43:19 GMT
Neither of them was born in Scotland, and I got in terrible trouble once with oldnat for "spouting racist claptrap" (if I recall his phrase correctly) for suggesting people of Scottish descent but not born there counted as in any way Scottish. Also MacKinnon wasn't captain. List of the 9 Scottish born England cricketers here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_international_cricketers_born_outside_of_EnglandAside from them, I well remember the very useful Essex middle order batsman Brian Hardie, who came from Stenhousemuir and had played for Scotland. Quite right. I deleted Jardine when I realised that he was born in India, though brought up in Scotland. However, though born in England anyone calling himself The MacKinnon of MacKinnon can't be anything but Scottish can he?On the other point, Warks had Dougie Brown of England and Scotland. You'll have to take that one up with oldnat; I couldn't possibly comment |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 19:45:12 GMT
The news has had little to say about the steadily rising housing inflation, they seemed to studiously avoid it. It isnt following the pattern of other goods inflation and coming down but still rising. "Average UK house prices increased by 1.7% in the 12 months to June 2023 (provisional estimate), down from a revised 1.8% in May 2023." |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 19:48:21 GMT
pjw1961"Being born in a stable does not make one a horse." - Wellington, after being told that he was Irish because he was born in Ireland.
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 19:51:59 GMT
BoE's one and only mandate is inflation. They don't care about a recession and as has been noted many times then arguably they are trying to force a recession (on the basis that a recession reduces aggregate demand, moves unemployment above the NAIRU, etc). No... they have a duty to ensure the pound does not collapse. I'm not sure they have to follow the direction on inflation either, don't they just have to write a letter every month saying sorry if they miss it? As I keep saying, and its not just me various other experts say so from time to time, the bank had not choice but to raise interest rates...BECAUSE THE US DID SO. It was necessary to stabilise the UK currency that they follow the US. Its entirely possible they end up with recession plus intractable inflation. The news has had little to say about the steadily rising housing inflation, they seemed to studiously avoid it. It isnt following the pattern of other goods inflation and coming down but still rising. And food inflation while dropping is still high at 15%. If you arent an average citizen as per the calculation to create the headline inflation rate, then some are comparatively laughing as their inflation is well less than thei pay rises. While others have below average pay rise, but above CPI inflation. Its a game of two halves. The pound has been floating on the currency markets since June 1972, and unlike back in the Bretton Woods era the authorities are not under an obligation to ensue it remains trading within a specific band. Intervention would only arise were a decline in Sterling to have serious consequences by undermining the BOE's ability to control inflation.Too steep a fall in the currency would generate Import Cost -push inflation. You refer to 'steadily rising housing inflation' , yet that is not actually true of house prices.The Nationwide Building Society reports a decline of circa 5% since Autumn 2022 with further falls expected. The cost of servicing Mortages has indeed sharply increased due to higher interest rates - even though such rates remain negative in real terms.
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Post by Danny on Aug 16, 2023 20:21:48 GMT
The pound has been floating on the currency markets since June 1972, and unlike back in the Bretton Woods era the authorities are not under an obligation to ensue it remains trading within a specific band. Intervention would only arise were a decline in Sterling to have serious consequences by undermining the BOE's ability to control inflation. The Bof E has always acted in concert with other central banks to stabilise currencies. [/div][/quote]Indeed, inflation of the cost of housing is rising steadily and has been for two years. The cost of houses is currently declining. Its hard to say if the still rising housing cost inflation is going to turn round, or just keep on rising. Its not just the time it takes for fixed rate mortages to expire, but also the problem of rising rents because of the housing and particulalry rental property shortage governments deliberately created. |
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Post by hireton on Aug 16, 2023 20:24:06 GMT
YouGov Scotland poll:
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 20:34:24 GMT
pjw1961 "Being born in a stable does not make one a horse." - Wellington, after being told that he was Irish because he was born in Ireland. i'm pleased to say, given that I admire Wellington's generalship, that he never actually said that, or at least there is zero evidence he did. It was attributed to him by the Irish Nationalist Daniel O'Connell because Wellington opposed Irish independence and O'Connell was keen to dispute Wellington being seen as Irish. Wellington's own views about Ireland seem to have been rather complex, but he was certainly a Unionist, although also the prime minister who enfranchised Catholics. www.irishphilosophy.com/2018/08/06/oconnell-wellington/ |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 20:48:23 GMT
Anent the YG Scots poll
While the interest on this board is (understandably) about the governance of England and, therefore, only whether MPs from Scotland will help, hinder, or make no bloody difference to the outcome of a Westminster GE, the polling is of interest in itself.
1. Support for indy shows a small rise, but essentially remains static. Around half of the Scots electorate would prefer Scotland to be an independent state, and that is an unstable position for the UK. Should its governors wish the UK to continue, it would make sense to transfer more autonomous power to Scotland, and then try to persuade the Scots electorate to allow their Scottish branch to have the power to exercise those responsibilities. The polling suggests that demographic change will make the emphasis on British centralism less and less attractive. Since I dislike all political parties (though accepting that they are a necessary evil), I'm not concerned as to which get us to indy.
2. Westminster GE - Under FPTP, it's inevitable that the large number of Scots voters who opted for Con in 2019, and now Lab in 2024(?) will move a significant number of seats from marginal SNP over Lab to marginal Lab over SNP. There will also be seats where SNP/Lab floaters will decide that getting rid of a Tory government is so high a priority, and may be fearful that English voters won't share that view - voting Lab is quite understandable. We know from experience that a pro-indy party getting 95% of the Scottish seats made bugger all difference to Westminster policy/actions.
3. Holyrood 2026 GE - This is more interesting. Early days, of course, but the seat prediction has SNP/SGP losing only 4 seats (they go LD under AMS) while the Lab gains are simply transfers from their Tory Unionist pals. The reality of representation in the Scottish Parliament hardly changes after 15-20 years of the SNP being the largest party. The SGP gains make them more essential to the SNP, and their experience in government will make them more aware of the realities of governing! It has always seemed obvious to me that the previous SNP leadership saw the pattern among younger voters, who were keener on Green/radical policies than their elders. Hence the decision to sideline the social dinosaurs such as Fergus Ewing - who may well choose to move to a more socially conservative, pro-indy party (and Alba are welcome to him).
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 21:00:18 GMT
pjw1961 "Being born in a stable does not make one a horse." - Wellington, after being told that he was Irish because he was born in Ireland. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 21:15:54 GMT
Junior doctors in Scotland (both HCA and BMA members) have voted to accept the pay deal in Scotland.
www.gov.scot/news/pay-offer-to-junior-doctors-accepted/
Of course, such pay settlements are not without cost. ScotGov (which has to operate on a fixed budget) has had to reduce spend in other areas to ensure that public sector workers get a reasonable settlement, and the public get the services they need.
UKGE has no such fixed budget, and could settle strikes in England by creating the cash in a variety of ways. They don't - and there isn't much evidence that a Labour UKGE would do any better!
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 21:25:43 GMT
pjw1961 "Being born in a stable does not make one a horse." - Wellington, after being told that he was Irish because he was born in Ireland. i'm pleased to say, given that I admire Wellington's generalship, that he never actually said that, or at least there is zero evidence he did. It was attributed to him by the Irish Nationalist Daniel O'Connell because Wellington opposed Irish independence and O'Connell was keen to dispute Wellington being seen as Irish. Wellington's own views about Ireland seem to have been rather complex, but he was certainly a Unionist, although also the prime minister who enfranchised Catholics. www.irishphilosophy.com/2018/08/06/oconnell-wellington/ |
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