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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 15:47:58 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade. There is something joyless about it all. Always feeling the need to be the party pooper. If you're not interested in football, or sport more generally, and know absolutely nothing about it as Graham demonstrates, why feel the need to comment on it? Swerve it and move on, surely. Maybe he just gets pleasure pouring cold water on other people's excitement. Puritans used to despise pleasure of every sort, remember. And to use political party affiliations as a basis for determining sporting favouritism is a demonstration of not only totally misunderstanding the essence of sport, but of becoming dangerously obsessed with politics too. God knows what he will say to the poor lady in his church if the Lionesses win and she mentions it!! I shall pray for her barbara |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 15:51:53 GMT
In arsonist wants credit for buying a fire extinguisher news. According to the BBC, Sunak told a business event in Leicestershire: “A typical family will have had about half their energy bills paid for by the government over the past several months – that’s worth £1,500 to a typical family.(Now that's a massive exaggeration but let's put that one aside, At the same time Sunakered will have received thousands more in subsidies on his heated swimming pool bill) “Now you wouldn’t have quite seen that because you would have still just got your energy bill, it would have been very high and you’d have been: ‘Oh my gosh, what’s going on?’ but what you wouldn’t have realised, maybe, is that before that even happened, £1,500 had been lopped off, and the government had covered it.”( Actually the highest tax rates ever and record public debt and underfunded services covered it, still plenty of billions left for chum bungs) PA Media reports that the Cabinet Office spokesperson for the Liberal Democrats, Christine Jardine, said: “Sunak’s comments are woefully out of touch. Does he expect the public to give the Conservative party a pat on the back for crashing the economy and adding hundreds of pounds a month to people’s mortgages? He just does not get it.”  |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 15:59:32 GMT
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 16:02:25 GMT
And yet (obviously bizarrely to you) all three have been countries in a footballing sense for a very, very very, very long time. And, surprisingly, that concept is the one on which international FOOTBALL competitions have been predicated for a very, very etc etc long time. (FFS!!!!!!!!!!) That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Strictly speaking every football team outside the UK is an anomaly, because we invented the game and played the first internationals between ourselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 16:06:29 GMT
That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Strictly speaking every football team outside the UK is an anomaly, because we invented the game and played the first internationals between ourselves. We should get royalties.  |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 16:08:59 GMT
There's the England and Wales Cricket Board but the team still tends to be called England - even when it has welsh players in it. It is an anomaly - as is the existence of the West indies, which covers a multitude of independent states. It has had Welsh captains such as Tony Lewis. There is a list of Welsh cricketers who have played for England in this article and even that doesn't include the likes of Alan Jones and Don Shepherd who almost certainly would have been capped had they played for a team such as Middlesex rather than unfashionable Glamorgan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_in_Wales#:~:text=Hugh%20Morris%20%E2%80%93%20He%20played%20in,England%20between%201986%20and%201987. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 16:09:51 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade. .Ah well, that’s what can happen when you get to the fag end of a board. An increasing proportion of complaint, from people who really might like to complain. Whether posting about cricket, tech stuff, Covid, even polling, someone might complain. (Not that I’m complaining about that…) Canalling seems ok tho’. For now… 🤞 |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 16:11:39 GMT
That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Strictly speaking every football team outside the UK is an anomaly, because we invented the game and played the first internationals between ourselves. Ironically, the first international football match not to involve British and Irish teams was Austria v Hungary at a time when they were both part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, so we were not the only ones to break Graham's rules! |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 16:14:08 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade. .Ah well, that’s what can happen when you get to the fag end of a board. An increasing proportion of complaint. Whether posting about cricket, tech stuff, Covid, even polling, someone might complain. (Not that I’m complaining about that…) Canalling seems ok tho’, for now… 🤞 Just to say that one reason for all the digressions is that there isn't much to say about the VI polling at the moment - it has been more or less 'polldrums' for several months. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 16, 2023 16:14:53 GMT
There's the England and Wales Cricket Board but the team still tends to be called England - even when it has welsh players in it. It is an anomaly - as is the existence of the West indies, which covers a multitude of independent states. It has had Welsh captains such as Tony Lewis. It had a Scottish captain in Mike Denness, (born in Bellshill, North Lanarkshire)! |
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Post by James E on Aug 16, 2023 16:25:02 GMT
It has had Welsh captains such as Tony Lewis. It had a Scottish captain in Mike Denness, (born in Bellshill, North Lanarkshire)! It had a South African captain in Tony Greig (who qualified as he had a Scottish father) |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 16:26:38 GMT
Ah well, that’s what can happen when you get to the fag end of a board. An increasing proportion of complaint. Whether posting about cricket, tech stuff, Covid, even polling, someone might complain. (Not that I’m complaining about that…) Canalling seems ok tho’, for now… 🤞 Just to say that one reason for all the digressions is that there isn't much to say about the VI polling at the moment - it has been more or less 'polldrums' for several months. Indeed. (Which is why at times we look to past polling instead). And digressions can help smooth things over, ‘Cos politics can get a bit toasty, and you can learn useful stuff. I learned a lot on here. (Up to a point, even find the complaints something to learn from. Who does it and why etc.) |
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 16, 2023 16:30:43 GMT
Trump facing possible wipe-out at election if he wins the Republican nomination: inews.co.uk/news/world/donald-trump-polls-uphill-battle-us-voters-255125353% of Americans polled said they would definitely not vote for him, and a further 11% that they would probably not vote for him. Even giving him all the undecideds, that's a 64%-36% thrashing. Even Goldwater won 39% of the popular vote against LBJ in 1964. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Trump could become the first Presidential candidate from one of the two major parties not to carry a single state; Goldwater carried six in 1964, all Southern (including Arizona, his home state). |
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Post by moby on Aug 16, 2023 16:36:06 GMT
Perhaps getting rid of the Welsh Assembly and reversing Devolution would be somewhat helpful there. How exactly would removing an Assembly which represents the interests of the affected constituency help? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 16:40:48 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade. .Ah well, that’s what can happen when you get to the fag end of a board. An increasing proportion of complaint, from people who really might like to complain. Whether posting about cricket, tech stuff, Covid, even polling, someone might complain. (Not that I’m complaining about that…) Canalling seems ok tho’. For now… 🤞 We’ve got nearly 600 pages to go before we surpass the world record for length! This is a young and healthy thread - just like me. Apart from being healthy of course.  (Or young.)  |
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Post by moby on Aug 16, 2023 16:41:52 GMT
Wales only voted for Devolution in Autumn 1997 by the margin of 0.6% - ie 50.3% to 49.7%. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement. A lot has changed in Wales since 1997. We even have mains electricity now. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 16:45:34 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 16:50:23 GMT
Trump facing possible wipe-out at election if he wins the Republican nomination: inews.co.uk/news/world/donald-trump-polls-uphill-battle-us-voters-255125353% of Americans polled said they would definitely not vote for him, and a further 11% that they would probably not vote for him. Even giving him all the undecideds, that's a 64%-36% thrashing. Even Goldwater won 39% of the popular vote against LBJ in 1964. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Trump could become the first Presidential candidate from one of the two major parties not to carry a single state; Goldwater carried six in 1964, all Southern (including Arizona, his home state). I believe 1984 is the heaviest defeat. Reagan carried everything except Minnesota (Mondale's home state) and Washington DC. EDIT - I'm wrong. It was Roosevelt 1936. Landon carried Maine and Vermont, worth 8 EC votes. Mondale got 13. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 16:59:47 GMT
Talking about the 1936 US Predidential election the following may be of interest - the birth of modern opinion polling. "Pre-election polling This election is notable for The Literary Digest poll, which was based on ten million questionnaires mailed to readers and potential readers; 2.27 million were returned. The Literary Digest had correctly predicted the winner of the last five elections, and announced in its October 31 issue that Landon would be the winner with 57.1% of the vote (v Roosevelt) and 370 electoral votes. The cause of this mistake has often been attributed to improper sampling: more Republicans subscribed to the Literary Digest than Democrats, and were thus more likely to vote for Landon than Roosevelt. Indeed, every other poll made at this time predicted Roosevelt would win, although most expected him to garner no more than 360 electoral votes. However, a 1976 article in The American Statistician demonstrates that the actual reason for the error was that the Literary Digest relied on voluntary responses. As the article explains, the 2.27 million "respondents who returned their questionnaires represented only that subset of the population with a relatively intense interest in the subject at hand, and as such constitute in no sense a random sample ... it seems clear that the minority of anti-Roosevelt voters felt more strongly about the election than did the pro-Roosevelt majority." A more detailed study in 1988 showed that both the initial sample and non-response bias were contributing factors, and that the error due to the initial sample taken alone would not have been sufficient to predict the Landon victory. The magnitude of the error by the Literary Digest (39.08% for the popular vote for Landon v Roosevelt) destroyed the magazine's credibility, and it folded within 18 months of the election, while George Gallup, an advertising executive who had begun a scientific poll, predicted that Roosevelt would win the election, based on a quota sample of 50,000 people. His correct predictions made public opinion polling a critical element of elections for journalists, and indeed for politicians. The Gallup Poll would become a staple of future presidential elections, and remains one of the most prominent election polling organizations." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_United_States_presidential_election |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 17:04:16 GMT
Ah well, that’s what can happen when you get to the fag end of a board. An increasing proportion of complaint, from people who really might like to complain. Whether posting about cricket, tech stuff, Covid, even polling, someone might complain. (Not that I’m complaining about that…) Canalling seems ok tho’. For now… 🤞 We’ve got nearly 600 pages to go before we surpass the world record for length! This is a young and healthy thread - just like me. Apart from being healthy of course. (Or young.) Re: health, has batters taken you for some walking footie etc.? |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 17:05:53 GMT
Just to say that one reason for all the digressions is that there isn't much to say about the VI polling at the moment - it has been more or less 'polldrums' for several months. Indeed. (Which is why at times we look to past polling instead). And digressions can help smooth things over, ‘Cos politics can get a bit toasty, and you can learn useful stuff. I learned a lot on here. (Up to a point, even find the complaints something to learn from. Who does it and why etc.) VI might be zzz ZZZ but there is a lot of important issues and 'politics' going on at the moment. Although on policy then Starmer-LAB pretty much agreeing with everything Rishi-CON are doing* (once you ignore the '13yr of...' partisan stuff) is zzz ZZZ as well I suppose. Be nice for some Green VI folks to post more about their policies (which IMO need a bit of organising and simplifying to a few key messages and policies - avoiding the 'nutty' stuff like Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament). I keep an eye on RUK** and am quite alarmed that most of their views are influencing CON and then LAB are copying CON. IMO we've moved too far to the Right (economics) and Climate Delay side but unless/until Greens start ticking up in VI then LAB's move to 'continuity CON' and RUK's influence over CON seems set to continue  * Or in most cases 'not doing' (eg 'Stop the Boats'). However, it's the difference in policy that is IMO interesting - or not given the lack of difference between Red and Blue Tory. ** Highlighting the 'U-turns' but WTF are LAB doing copying CON and WTF are CON doing copying RUK. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 17:12:37 GMT
Example of how RUK have been 'influencing' the pro-motorist shift and pushing even further on 'climate delay'. Who is standing up for 'Clean Air', reduction in car use, higher taxes for polluters?? The 'no money left' and 'reflect' narrative post U&SR by-election is very worrying but 'Just Stop Oil' pissed people off so the 'path of least resistance' (populist appeal) has been set by RUK with CON scared to lose VI to RUK and LAB desperate to appeal to CON'19 voters.
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Post by peterbell on Aug 16, 2023 17:19:17 GMT
A new poll re LoC policies Exactly what I asked for yesterday evening. Unfortunately Starmer is not listening. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 17:25:42 GMT
From Green's twitter feed. I'd agree with the below - just show me the ££ (costings). Those costing hopefully include revenues from expanding ULEZs to more cities/then towns/then everywhere; increasing which types of vehicles are hit; increasing fuel duty and IIRC then Greens also once suggested hiking VAT by 1-3p on many items (and we can be far more targeted outside of EU). Fuel duty and VAT hikes would likely have limited 'pass-thru' as companies absorb the increase in their margin (and BoE should ignore it as it is a 'base effect' - or perhaps say 'once inflation is lower, we'll..')
Denounce 'Just Stop Oil's' tactics (which IIRC Greens have done) and start 'influencing' the discussion with sensible and 'popular' policies. Don't let RUK set the agenda.
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 17:29:04 GMT
Is not the cricket team now known as England & Wales? There's the England and Wales Cricket Board but the team still tends to be called England - even when it has welsh players in it. It is an anomaly - as is the existence of the West indies, which covers a multitude of independent states. Not to mention South African, Papuan New Guineans etc |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 17:35:10 GMT
It has had Welsh captains such as Tony Lewis. It had a Scottish captain in Mike Denness, (born in Bellshill, North Lanarkshire)! And The MacKinnon of MacKinnon |
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Post by mercian on Aug 16, 2023 17:41:28 GMT
That list has two captains from the Republic of Ireland from before that country existed. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 17:51:57 GMT
It had a Scottish captain in Mike Denness, (born in Bellshill, North Lanarkshire)! And The MacKinnon of MacKinnon Neither of them was born in Scotland, and I got in terrible trouble once with oldnat for "spouting racist claptrap" (if I recall his phrase correctly) for suggesting people of Scottish descent but not born there counted as in any way Scottish. Also MacKinnon wasn't captain. List of the 9 Scottish born England cricketers here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_international_cricketers_born_outside_of_EnglandAside from them, I well remember the very useful Essex middle order batsman Brian Hardie, who came from Stenhousemuir and had played for Scotland. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 17:54:20 GMT
That list has two captains from the Republic of Ireland from before that country existed. They still weren't English (well actually Fane was - his father was an army officer stationed in Ireland). |
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 16, 2023 18:14:46 GMT
And The MacKinnon of MacKinnon Neither of them was born in Scotland, and I got in terrible trouble once with oldnat for "spouting racist claptrap" (if I recall his phrase correctly) for suggesting people of Scottish descent but not born there counted as in any way Scottish. Also MacKinnon wasn't captain. List of the 9 Scottish born England cricketers here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_international_cricketers_born_outside_of_EnglandAside from them, I well remember the very useful Essex middle order batsman Brian Hardie, who came from Stenhousemuir and had played for Scotland. I remember Brian Hardie well. Very decent county player. I watched him bat for Essex at Worcester a fair few times. A bit of a "sticker". Difficult to winkle out when set, if I remember rightly. Most counties had middle order batsmen of that ilk in that era. Alan Ormrod was Worcester's equivalent. Bazball and T20 not even a figment of anyone's imagination back in 1970s and 80s! Andy Goram was an interesting Scottish cricket international. Better known for his goalkeeping exploits for Scotland, he was a fine cricketer too who played four times for the Scotland cricket team. He sadly died quite recently. |
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