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Post by moby on Aug 16, 2023 13:47:15 GMT
And yet (obviously bizarrely to you) all three have been countries in a footballing sense for a very, very very, very long time. And, surprisingly, that concept is the one on which international FOOTBALL competitions have been predicated for a very, very etc etc long time. (FFS!!!!!!!!!!) That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Here's an anomaly you should be more concerned about perhaps: www.railtech.com/all/2023/08/15/hs2-serves-wales-from-a-distance-says-uk-government/?gdpr=accept |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 14:00:43 GMT
Re a UK footy team, I suppose it could be the source of some amusement when the only kickieball players (courtesy Miss Lemon) picked for the side were English.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 14:01:54 GMT
Anyway, a European final for the World Cup. That’s shown them.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 16, 2023 14:03:28 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade.
There is something joyless about it all. Always feeling the need to be the party pooper.
If you're not interested in football, or sport more generally, and know absolutely nothing about it as Graham demonstrates, why feel the need to comment on it? Swerve it and move on, surely. Maybe he just gets pleasure pouring cold water on other people's excitement. Puritans used to despise pleasure of every sort, remember.
And to use political party affiliations as a basis for determining sporting favouritism is a demonstration of not only totally misunderstanding the essence of sport, but of becoming dangerously obsessed with politics too.
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 14:08:31 GMT
That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Here's an anomaly you should be more concerned about perhaps: www.railtech.com/all/2023/08/15/hs2-serves-wales-from-a-distance-says-uk-government/?gdpr=acceptPerhaps getting rid of the Welsh Assembly and reversing Devolution would be somewhat helpful there. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 16, 2023 14:12:49 GMT
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 14:24:26 GMT
Because if the MPC considers that inflation going forward will be driven by pay rises, they will raise interest rates even more, producing a recession and even higher unemployment. The Labour market probably needs a bit of tightening provided its not mass unemployment. Perhaps higher pay rates might encourage employers to up productivity by investing in new equipment ? I agree that recession would be a bad outcome but BoE are supposed to be calibrating their inflation response to avoid it. They were of course, way behind the curve in the first place on this. Mortgage rates are coming down a bit actually-and there are millions in rented accomodation for whom a mortgage is a pipe dream. They need higher pay to make ends meet. Lets wait and see what happens to inflation in the coming months. BoE may get lucky -and the pay inflation may ease as the Labour market cools. BoE's one and only mandate is inflation. They don't care about a recession and as has been noted many times then arguably they are trying to force a recession (on the basis that a recession reduces aggregate demand, moves unemployment above the NAIRU, etc). Plenty of folks have mentioned that BoE are part of the problem in the 'wage-price' spiral given that with such a low unemployment rate then workers who are seeing their mortgage/rent go up are demanding higher wages. BoE obviously don't see it that way and seem determined to use the 'rear view mirror'* to get inflation down to 2% and causing a recession is one way to crush inflation. Then being able to then keep inflation at 2% (rather than start a debt-deflation spiral) is something they are currently oblivious to but something they might well be faced with sorting out next year (not a prediction - but a fairly plausible scenario if they keep hiking) * BoE should be looking at inflation forecast 2-3yr forward not 'current' inflation (which is last year, reported with a lag). Inflation forecasts for 2-3yr forward is below 2% so why are they still hiking? |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 14:31:03 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade. There is something joyless about it all. Always feeling the need to be the party pooper. If you're not interested in football, or sport more generally, and know absolutely nothing about it as Graham demonstrates, why feel the need to comment on it? Swerve it and move on, surely. Maybe he just gets pleasure pouring cold water on other people's excitement. Puritans used to despise pleasure of every sort, remember. And to use political party affiliations as a basis for determining sporting favouritism is a demonstration of not only totally misunderstanding the essence of sport, but of becoming dangerously obsessed with politics too. I am not very interested in sport - and that most certainly applies to football whether the men or women's game.Being gifted a very good memory, I do actually have a fair bit of knowledge of various sports. I recall Danny Blanchflower as the winning Spurs captain at the 1962 FA Cup and Manchester United beating Leicester City in 1963. In the Spring of 1964 I remember many locals being disappointed at the defeat of Swansea Town - as it then was - by Preston North End in the Semi-Finals of the FA Cup with the latter going on to lose to West Ham. 1965 - I think - was a Liverpool v Leeds final. In Horse Racing I recall Kilmore winning the 1962 Grand National - and in 1967 I did actually pick the winner - Foinavon! I am far from alone in being repelled by nationalism in sport. For over 7 years I have been attending a U3A Latin class, and one of my fellow students who happens to be a few months my senior is a committed football fan - I believe he is a Norwich City ticket holder. I was rather surprised to discover at the time of the last European Championship that he takes no interest at all in International matches - and never watches them for the simple reason that he cannot abide the emotional nationalism he sees in such competitions.
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 14:35:17 GMT
Wales only voted for Devolution in Autumn 1997 by the margin of 0.6% - ie 50.3% to 49.7%. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement. |
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Post by James E on Aug 16, 2023 14:45:16 GMT
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Post by domjg on Aug 16, 2023 14:45:19 GMT
Wales only voted for Devolution in Autumn 1997 by the margin of 0.6% - ie 50.3% to 49.7%. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement. We've all kinda moved on a bit in the last 26 years.. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 14:49:56 GMT
And yet (obviously bizarrely to you) all three have been countries in a footballing sense for a very, very very, very long time. And, surprisingly, that concept is the one on which international FOOTBALL competitions have been predicated for a very, very etc etc long time. (FFS!!!!!!!!!!) That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Its because we invented it, along with rugby and cricket where the same thing applies (except poor old Wales don't get a cricket team of their own). On the other hand it was the French who restarted the Olympics (Greek originally) so we are not allowed to get away with it there. |
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Post by alec on Aug 16, 2023 14:50:20 GMT
Good example here of why English water companies keep getting away with it - www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/16/united-utilities-fined-800000-for-illegally-removing-22-billion-litres-of-waterIn this example, a catastrophic breach of abstraction limits - which would be really serious for anyone else with an abstraction license - meant United Utilities took 22bn litres of water too much. That's 22,000,000m3, and while I'm in a different area, my bills at that time were something like £1.30/m3 supply (not including the sewage charge which I'll leave out). So, notionally at least, UU would have earned income of £28.6m from the illegally procured water. Various analyses have claimed water company operating profits are anything from 40 - 60% of earnings, but lets say 20%, which might suggest a profit of over £5m for this breach of consent. Set against this a fine of £800,000, with no staff or directors sanctioned, and you can see why they keep on breaking the law. |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 14:51:21 GMT
Wales only voted for Devolution in Autumn 1997 by the margin of 0.6% - ie 50.3% to 49.7%. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement. We've all kinda moved on a bit in the last 26 years.. Turnout for Assembly elections there is well under 50% - little higher than Local Elections. There appears to be a high degree of indifference to the institution. |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 14:53:00 GMT
That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. Its because we invented it, along with rugby and cricket where the same thing applies (except poor old Wales don't get a cricket team of their own). On the other hand it was the French who restarted the Olympics (Greek originally) so we are not allowed to get away with it there. Is not the cricket team now known as England & Wales? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 14:55:35 GMT
crossbat11“AVFC” …….. is this code for your “Additional Votes For Conservatives” campaign? Seems a bit sneaky.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 14:58:11 GMT
Its because we invented it, along with rugby and cricket where the same thing applies (except poor old Wales don't get a cricket team of their own). On the other hand it was the French who restarted the Olympics (Greek originally) so we are not allowed to get away with it there. Is not the cricket team now known as England & Wales? There's the England and Wales Cricket Board but the team still tends to be called England - even when it has welsh players in it. It is an anomaly - as is the existence of the West indies, which covers a multitude of independent states. |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 15:05:10 GMT
Is not the cricket team now known as England & Wales? There's the England and Wales Cricket Board but the team still tends to be called England - even when it has welsh players in it. It is an anomaly - as is the existence of the West indies, which covers a multitude of independent states. It has had Welsh captains such as Tony Lewis. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 15:07:03 GMT
Well done the Neighbours this morning!
Mind you, playing Kylie as the sole striker, up against those big English lassies, was always likely to end in tears.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 16, 2023 15:24:37 GMT
Well done the Neighbours this morning!
Mind you, playing Kylie as the sole striker, up against those big English lassies, was always likely to end in tears. They should be so lucky..... |
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Post by hireton on Aug 16, 2023 15:28:49 GMT
We've all kinda moved on a bit in the last 26 years.. Turnout for Assembly elections there is well under 50% - little higher than Local Elections. There appears to be a high degree of indifference to the institution. If electoral turnout is your measure of institutional utility, you should be arguing for the abolition of local authorities. But that wouldn't fit with your British nationalism which clearly overrides all other considerations for you. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 16, 2023 15:32:06 GMT
I suspect that were a Referendum to be held on PR ,support for it would quickly fade away. To many the idea sounds appealing but the reality would sound more complex and confusing even than the AV system voted on in 2011.Many voters were put off even by the relatively simple process involved in AV - PR would deter far more. That's a tired old argument - "the British are too thick to understand PR." Systems other than FPTP are used for the Scottish, Welsh and Norther Irish elections, were used UK wide for electing European MEPs and, until recently, for elected mayors (rather too many different system IMO, but that's a different issue). The electorate didn't/don't seem to have any trouble at all with them.
The introduction of STV for Scottish local elections was a decision by the then Lab/LD Executive at Holyrood. It wasn't even a key issue in the election, since Lab was opposed to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 15:32:30 GMT
Wales only voted for Devolution in Autumn 1997 by the margin of 0.6% - ie 50.3% to 49.7%. Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement. We've all kinda moved on a bit in the last 26 years.. Blimey! 26 years feels like yesterday to ole Graham. Need to go back to the early 1800s before “moving on” becomes an appropriate word. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 15:37:40 GMT
Well they certainly raised the salience of immigration as an even more important issue - and a hue majority of their own voters think they are messing it up:
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Post by barbara on Aug 16, 2023 15:39:44 GMT
Graham doing what he does best; raining on someone else's parade. There is something joyless about it all. Always feeling the need to be the party pooper. If you're not interested in football, or sport more generally, and know absolutely nothing about it as Graham demonstrates, why feel the need to comment on it? Swerve it and move on, surely. Maybe he just gets pleasure pouring cold water on other people's excitement. Puritans used to despise pleasure of every sort, remember. And to use political party affiliations as a basis for determining sporting favouritism is a demonstration of not only totally misunderstanding the essence of sport, but of becoming dangerously obsessed with politics too. God knows what he will say to the poor lady in his church if the Lionesses win and she mentions it!! |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 15:42:38 GMT
Although R&W polling showing folks think Rishi is more trusted than Starmer to 'Stop the Boats' (which really doesn't much for Starmer-Cooper's "plan"). Given the partisan bias then the leads on the issues are not high either (ie CON VI are likely to pick Rishi and Starmer should at least get LAB VI + a chunk of the ABCON vote)
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 15:43:53 GMT
Also from R&W and hardly a surprise (although the clock to GE'24 is still ticking)
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 15:45:05 GMT
YouTube just threw up some climate science stuff in my feed, and I haven’t really looked at climate science before. but it seemed quite alarming so I had a gander…
It suggests there’s a confluence of things that are already starting to have an impact but it’s set to worsen over the next year or two. To summarise, the factors driving up global temps more than usual are reckoned to be:
1. Aerosol forcing
2. An additional rise from a Super El Niño which is really only just getting started
3. Solar irradiation is peaking soon
4. We are missing a chunk of sea ice around Antarctica. At the moment it’s winter there, but come fall and winter for us and the huge extra expanse of dark water will absorb lots of extra sunlight
5. The earth energy imbalance is double what it was ten years ago
Like I said, only just finding out about it, but worrying. I guess we shall see how it pans out 🥵😱🥵
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 16, 2023 15:47:46 GMT
and with LAB being 'Continuity CON' then this one is 'no shit Sherlock' (ie Captain Obvious) as well... A Red Tory instead of Blue Tory in #10 and #11 is not going to really change much if anything  |
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