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Post by neilj on Aug 16, 2023 11:21:20 GMT
The Wallabies are wallowing 😀 You appear to want Tory England to beat non-Tory Australia. Just weird |
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Post by domjg on Aug 16, 2023 11:23:17 GMT
The Wallabies are wallowing 😀 You appear to want Tory England to beat non-Tory Australia. I assume that's tongue in cheek as I think literally no-one would equate supporting England in sport with supporting the current govt. If it is then the loc England cricket team supporting lot on here are in serious trouble! |
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Post by neilj on Aug 16, 2023 11:24:27 GMT
The Matildas have waltzed back into it, one all
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Post by neilj on Aug 16, 2023 11:32:27 GMT
Turning into a great game, 2-1 to England
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 11:59:52 GMT
You appear to want Tory England to beat non-Tory Australia. Just weird He probably thinks these are the Parliamentary Wimmin’s World Cup semis. Theresa May centre back and so on. (Or - possibly - as you sum it up.  ) Anyway, Oz we’re thoroughly outplayed and some of England’s passing and movement was the best I have seen in the women’s game. |
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Post by Mark on Aug 16, 2023 12:10:01 GMT
An interesting view of compulsory voting from Australia: My partner is Australian and regards compulsory voting as a complete non-issue. There's an Aussie tradition of election day 'sausage sizzles' - you go and vote and get yourself what social media now dub a 'democracy sausage'. I'm interested in a potential benefit that your sources don't mention, namely that in the UK very few of the poorest and most marginalised people vote, so their needs are neglected by both Con and Lab governments. If voting were compulsory parties would be more motivated to appeal to them. Perhaps in turn they might feel they had more of a stake in society, creating a bit of a virtuous circle. Ooohhhh....I like that idea...a sausage sizzler...I'm imagining a bit of mustard and plenty of onions! I'm feeling hungry now! Not quite sure how it would work with winter elections in the UK with the rain and sleet coming down, but, I really, really like the idea! That said, I absolutely always vote, so, guessing I'm not the target demographic. I would generally be in favour of compulsory voting...as long as spoiling your ballot remained a legal option. With regard to marginalised groups, I believe that more should be done to increase voter participation. Sadly, this current shower have put more obstacles in te way of already under-represented groups. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 16, 2023 12:10:35 GMT
Graduates no longer companies’ top priority
Jack Barnett
Wednesday August 16 2023, 12.01am, The Times
“Companies are five times more likely to seek recruits based on skills than on qualifications
UK businesses are dropping degree requirements for new staff and giving priority to candidates with specialised skills, research out today shows.
The share of vacancies that do not require applicants to have completed university rose 90 per cent last year, according to LinkedIn, the employment-focused social media platform.
Workers with attributes that allow them to perform specific functions are poised to be in higher demand among businesses over the next year.
LinkedIn said recruiters were five times more likely to seek recruits based on skills rather than qualifications. Four in five recruiters expect clients to adopt skills-first recruitment in the next 18 months.
Some of Britain’s biggest companies have loosened entry barriers, with IBM and Kellogg’s ditching degree-level qualifications as a necessity for certain jobs. Last year PwC dropped the 2:1 degree criteria for graduate roles to ensure it did not miss out on talent. Analysis by the non-profit Institute of Student Employers found the share of graduate jobs that required applicants to have a minimum of a 2:1 fell to less than half last year for the first time since it started tracking the data.”
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“Simon Winfield, chief executive of the recruiter Hays in the UK and Ireland, said: “The world of work is moving faster than most university curricula, and instead the opportunities to learn through practical application in the workplace will always be relevant.””
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Post by neilj on Aug 16, 2023 12:12:42 GMT
I understand Australian elections are always on a Saturday, must add to the party atmosphere.
Not sure why we have elections midweek
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 12:33:15 GMT
You appear to want Tory England to beat non-Tory Australia. I assume that's tongue in cheek as I think literally no-one would equate supporting England in sport with supporting the current govt. If it is then the loc England cricket team supporting lot on here are in serious trouble! It was why I was perfectly happy to see Australia retain the Ashes. |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 12:42:05 GMT
graham Ffs! Do you think the England team , ethnically diverse , nearly all in their twenties, including several openly lgbtq players , mostly from working class backgrounds, is really likely to be a bunch of Tories. Now either that's an attempt at humour or you're bonkers. I thought it was a thoroughly entertaining game , should be a great final between two first class teams.
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Post by athena on Aug 16, 2023 12:46:31 GMT
Mark'I would generally be in favour of compulsory voting...as long as spoiling your ballot remained a legal option.' Think about it. It's a secret ballot - that's not compatible with having an election official verify that you've cast a valid vote rather than decorating your ballot paper with obscene political cartoons, peace symbols, whatever takes your fancy - or not marking it at all.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 13:01:34 GMT
By the way Crofty (@fecklessmiser ) in your Englebert Humperdinck tribute act, which of his works do you play extracts from - the opera Hansel and Gretel is obviously the most famous. I just keep repeating “Please Release Me” with its very dramatic - but tricky - key change. Sometimes “The last Waltz” ( though that always makes me cry. ) I'm hoping that "Please release me" soon becomes Donald Trump's new campaign theme tune. |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 13:02:06 GMT
graham Ffs! Do you think the England team , ethnically diverse , nearly all in their twenties, including several openly lgbtq players , mostly from working class backgrounds, is really likely to be a bunch of Tories. Now either that's an attempt at humour or you're bonkers. I thought it was a thoroughly entertaining game , should be a great final between two first class teams. Many football players are Tories - and that is certainly true of the England cricket team. There is nothing bonkers about rejecting nationality as the basis for alleigance in Sport. Nor is it wrong to attach much greater weight to political views held - in that it is likely to be far more indicative of a person's core human ethics. I never wanted Sebastian Coe to win in the 1980s even if there were no other British runners in the race - I knew him to be a Tory tosspot and was more than happy to see him beaten by - say - a West German SPD supporter or a Democrat from the USA. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 16, 2023 13:06:09 GMT
I understand Australian elections are always on a Saturday, must add to the party atmosphere. Not sure why we have elections midweek I've always thought mid-week elections are bonkers. In Germany they're always held on a Sunday, to encourage maximum participation. It's inevitable here that many people won't get round to voting even if they intended to with busy, sometimes multiple, jobs as well as picking up kids from school, after school activities etc. Tradition seems to trump common sense every time in this country. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 13:06:44 GMT
eor It's a good question, for me I have been a supporter of PR even when Blair won in 1997 I see it as a question of democracy, people being more able to vote for who they want, rather than vote against who they don't want, which the current system often leads to It may mean compromise if the party I support is in the winning coalition Government, but that often happens within political parties anyway. I also think it will mean if smaller parties get to share power they will be forced to face the realities of governing and the sometimes hard choices that have to be made I suspect that were a Referendum to be held on PR ,support for it would quickly fade away. To many the idea sounds appealing but the reality would sound more complex and confusing even than the AV system voted on in 2011.Many voters were put off even by the relatively simple process involved in AV - PR would deter far more. That's a tired old argument - "the British are too thick to understand PR." Systems other than FPTP are used for the Scottish, Welsh and Norther Irish elections, were used UK wide for electing European MEPs and, until recently, for elected mayors (rather too many different system IMO, but that's a different issue). The electorate didn't/don't seem to have any trouble at all with them. |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 13:08:54 GMT
graham"There is nothing bonkers about rejecting nationality as the basis for alleigance in Sport" I would agree with that if it were actually what you are saying but it isn't. You are saying I'd support a different national team against England because, the UK government elected by a minority of the electorate and a very small minority of the age cohort the players fall in, isn't to my liking. News flash it isn't to my liking either but I'm not going to be so juvenile as to assign criticism to a group of athletes who have fuck all to do with its policies.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 16, 2023 13:09:14 GMT
You appear to want Tory England to beat non-Tory Australia. I assume that's tongue in cheek as I think literally no-one would equate supporting England in sport with supporting the current govt. If it is then the loc England cricket team supporting lot on here are in serious trouble! To be fair, most cricketers whose politics we know about seem to be Tories - all that rugged individualism you need to be a sportsman I suppose. Doesn't stop me enjoying watching them play. |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 13:12:33 GMT
Traitor cult leader fascist displaying the need for urgent psychiatric intervention. youtu.be/ZyQnOmep3Sg |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 13:13:37 GMT
I suspect that were a Referendum to be held on PR ,support for it would quickly fade away. To many the idea sounds appealing but the reality would sound more complex and confusing even than the AV system voted on in 2011.Many voters were put off even by the relatively simple process involved in AV - PR would deter far more. That's a tired old argument - "the British are too thick to understand PR." Systems other than FPTP are used for the Scottish, Welsh and Norther Irish elections, were used UK wide for electing European MEPs and, until recently, for elected mayors (rather too many different system IMO, but that's a different issue). The electorate didn't/don't seem to have any trouble at all with them. That may be true , but I very much doubt that the systems mentioned would have been the favoured choice of voters had they been consulted. |
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Post by neilj on Aug 16, 2023 13:15:40 GMT
grahamYou do realise some prominent tory MPs criticised the England men's team for taking the knee. Some even went further and refused to support or even watch them What's it like to be on the same bus as the likes of Lee Anderson?
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 13:16:00 GMT
pjw1961I think Paul might have covered some Tom Jones songs as well, it's not unusual!
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 13:20:08 GMT
graham "There is nothing bonkers about rejecting nationality as the basis for alleigance in Sport" I would agree with that if it were actually what you are saying but it isn't. You are saying I'd support a different national team against England because, the UK government elected by a minority of the electorate and a very small minority of the age cohort the players fall in, isn't to my liking. News flash it isn't to my liking either but I'm not going to be so juvenile as to assign criticism to a group of athletes who have fuck all to do with its policies. There is a separate point which is that England - like Wales & Scotland - is not a country in a strict political sense. On a like for like basis, England should have been playing - say - Queensland, Victoria or New South Wales. That also applies, of course, to the Men's game. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 13:27:34 GMT
pjw1961 I think Paul might have covered some Tom Jones songs as well, it's not unusual! Never liked that song. I think I used to do Green, Green Grass of Home in my first summer season. Was effectively booked to cover hits so could go from stuff like that to Eleanor Rigby, rock songs to Jennifer Juniper (only Donovan song I ever did - and I’m fairly sure he stole the idea of a French verse from McCartney’s Michelle - was still a good song though.) Used to do Folsom Prison in the clubs so would be happy to re-learn that for Donald Chump. |
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Post by James E on Aug 16, 2023 13:29:57 GMT
There is a something slightly odd about someone who doesn’t vote, continually analysing the previous Labour leader’s ratings etc etc (etc…) Hardly, it’s a polling site. And the 2017 election never got so much attention at the time. It’s not the only polling I look at, the other day it was the EU ref. It’s just that some seem to find discussion of Corbyn a bit vexing. Following our exchange on pre-referendum polling in 2016, I found what I think is the most authoritative source from that time, in the article linked below by John Curtice in late May 2016. www.whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Analysis-paper-6-The-Divergence-Between-Phone-and-Internet-Polls.pdfThe aim was to identify the most probable causes of the phone/internet poll divergence in EU Ref polling. At one point, this was as much as 10% in the overall average results. And the answer appears to have been that phone polls were finding too many graduate respondents, and that it was not understood at the time what a vital determining factor this was - indeed, polling companies did not then seek or weight by education level at all. But for our purposes, the important part is the comparative figures over the period from late summer 2015 to May 2016. And in this, the Internet polls showed no movement at all, averaging 50/50 in each of the three periods used by Prof Curtice. It was largely because of research such as this that those doing phone polls made changes to their methods. Ipsos Mori reported that their changed phone poll methodology moved their headline figures by 3 to 4 points from Remain to Leave. So while it is true that an average of all polls did put Remain ahead (av 54/46 in Summer 2015), this was entirely due to phone polls, and these moved significantly as a result of methodological changes. The campaigning and adverts on buses may have helped the Leave side to hold thier vote, but it looks most likely that they did not increase it. Internet Polls 1/9/15 to 18/2/16 Remain 50% Leave 50% Internet Polls 19/2/16 to 31/3/16 Remain 50% Leave 50% Internet polls 1/4/16 to 19/5/16 Remain 50% Leave 50% And both YouGov and Opinium averaged 50/50 in the period from 20 May to the referendum itself. So there was 'Polling Error' in that those internet polls understated Leave by 2 points, but like-for-like 'Polling movement' of zero. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 13:31:26 GMT
graham "There is nothing bonkers about rejecting nationality as the basis for alleigance in Sport" I would agree with that if it were actually what you are saying but it isn't. You are saying I'd support a different national team against England because, the UK government elected by a minority of the electorate and a very small minority of the age cohort the players fall in, isn't to my liking. News flash it isn't to my liking either but I'm not going to be so juvenile as to assign criticism to a group of athletes who have fuck all to do with its policies. There is a separate point which is that England - like Wales & Scotland - is not a country in a strict political sense. On a like for like basis, England should have been playing - say - Queensland, Victoria or New South Wales. That also applies, of course, to the Men's game. And yet (obviously bizarrely to you) all three have been countries in a footballing sense for a very, very very, very long time. And, surprisingly, that concept is the one on which international FOOTBALL competitions have been predicated for a very, very etc etc long time. (FFS!!!!!!!!!!) |
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Post by moby on Aug 16, 2023 13:32:29 GMT
pjw1961 I think Paul might have covered some Tom Jones songs as well, it's not unusual! He told me he was happy when the pairs of knickers were thrown at him until he was smacked in the face with a pair containing an incontinence pad. |
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Post by moby on Aug 16, 2023 13:38:08 GMT
He probably thinks these are the Parliamentary Wimmin’s World Cup semis. Theresa May centre back and so on. (Or - possibly - as you sum it up. ) Anyway, Oz we’re thoroughly outplayed and some of England’s passing and movement was the best I have seen in the women’s game. That Hemp pass to Russo for the third goal was sublime. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2023 13:39:50 GMT
pjw1961 I think Paul might have covered some Tom Jones songs as well, it's not unusual! He told me he was happy when the pairs of knickers were thrown at him until he was smacked in the face with a pair containing an incontinence pad. No he didn’t. And this is a polling site, not a pooing site.  |
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Post by graham on Aug 16, 2023 13:40:24 GMT
There is a separate point which is that England - like Wales & Scotland - is not a country in a strict political sense. On a like for like basis, England should have been playing - say - Queensland, Victoria or New South Wales. That also applies, of course, to the Men's game. And yet (obviously bizarrely to you) all three have been countries in a footballing sense for a very, very very, very long time. And, surprisingly, that concept is the one on which international FOOTBALL competitions have been predicated for a very, very etc etc long time. (FFS!!!!!!!!!!) That does not alter the fact that the teams involved fail to reflect the political reality. Croatia , Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia et al were not permitted to offer separate teams whilst still component parts of Yugoslavia - they all had to wait until they became separate states.Separate UK teams is very much an anomaly - albeit a longstanding one. |
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Post by steve on Aug 16, 2023 13:44:27 GMT
@fecklessmiser "Used to do Folsom Prison" I've been to Feltham Prison I wonder if it's similar  |
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