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Post by somerjohn on Oct 2, 2023 10:34:14 GMT
Johntel: "There are lots of equally nice places on the coast around the UK - it's got nothing to do with Brexit."
Certainly the deterioration in UK towns and cities is mostly due to austerity and the accompanying mantras of "private good, public bad" and "small state, low taxation". But the lack of money, manpower and civic capability is exacerbated by brexit, which increasingly sets the parameters of what is possible in terms of improving our living conditions and environment.
I'd be interested to hear which seaside towns in the UK you think are able to undertake the sort of municipal programmes and spending I described in my post.
And it isn't just tourism-fuelled towns. On our way down we stopped overnight in Huesca, in Aragón, which isn't expanding or wealthy and has no significant foreign tourism. Yet the magnificent park where we strolled was buzzing with gardeners and cleaners and filled with well-maintained facilities. There's a feeling of care for the common good, improvement and - as Steve says - civic pride that we seem to have lost since the Victorian heyday of local government.
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Post by bendo on Oct 2, 2023 10:37:40 GMT
I don't post often but read a lot. Surely it makes sense to not lead a new thread with an obvious outlier. Equally it makes sense for a new thread not to be started by someone who people are likely to have blocked. I'm sure many block messages direct from CCHQ.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 10:37:50 GMT
Yours was the insult. I helpfully explained that your childish vocabulary will not last forever.  Yes, I noted you got upset by that particular word but nothing about people going to be made to suffer. So-I searched for a headline about Hunt making some people suffer. I assume the Guardian is probably your source. Is it this article you mean ? www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/01/time-to-withhold-benefits-from-those-who-wont-look-for-work-jeremy-huntSo looks like he is going to impose the work seeking conditionality attaching to some benefits. A Labour policy too it says. ...and increase the Living Wage to £11 hr. Cant see anything about making people suffer though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 10:39:36 GMT
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Post by johntel on Oct 2, 2023 10:43:05 GMT
I've enjoyed living and working in places like that in Spain myself. It's the revenue from rich foreign retirees, people from Madrid with 2nd homes and tourists that generates the revenue that pays for it all to be so nice - you're privileged to be able to choose to live there. There are lots of equally nice places on the coast around the UK - it's got nothing to do with Brexit. "There are lots of equally nice places on the coast around the UK" - Where in England, except Devon/Cornwall and Brighton? Of course brexit will have had a significant impact on on-going austerity and will continue to over time as simply put less investment over time means less tax take over time. Well Dorset, East and West Sussex, Kent, and lots of other nice places all round the coast of England, Scotland and Wales. All full of 2nd homes. |
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Post by thylacine on Oct 2, 2023 10:45:10 GMT
Well if people act as adults and ignore people being childish it shouldn't happen, and ultimately if it gets out of hand Mark can intervene. Indeed. So most of us ignored the new trev thread and continued to use Mark's 11 August one. The question esp the rocs might then ask is why should we then use neilj's and not trev's? Is it just a partisan thing? I'm wondering if we've inadvertently stumbled on a solution to the Danny/Alec conundrum vi's a Vis the C word thing. One in one thread and t'other in the second? Admittedly it hasn't been so bad recently. |
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Post by johntel on Oct 2, 2023 10:46:05 GMT
By the way I don't support Brexit either, but I think it's delusional to blame all the UK's problems on it - it takes away focus from the other real issues facing the country.
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Post by James E on Oct 2, 2023 10:46:32 GMT
Taking the 5 most recent polls, there does seem to be a bit of narrowing.
I have compared each of the most recent 5 polls to the same pollster's previous average during August and September.
28-29 Sep We Think Lab lead 20% (v 19.8 in 8 polls):+0.2
27-29 Sept Opinium Lab lead 10% (v 14.5 in 4 polls):-4.5
26-27 Sept YouGov Lab lead 21% (v 19.6 in 8 polls):+1.4
26-27 Sept Techne Lab lead 18% (v20.2 in 5 polls):-2.2
22-25 Sept Deltapoll Lab lead 16% (v20.2 in 6 polls):-4.2
So overall, with this set of pollsters, the averaged lead is down 2 points from 19% to 17%.
Incidentally, with Opinium having published their latest tables, their unadjusted figures show Lab 42%, Con 26%, so the pattern of the (new) methodology reducing about 6 points from the Labour lead continues. And their methodology also again boosts Reform UK - in this poll from 5.5 to 7%.
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Post by johntel on Oct 2, 2023 10:55:04 GMT
What I do like about Spanish towns (and many European places in general) is the mix of housing, businesses and shops even within the centre. But its only achieved if people are willing to live in flats rather than houses, which Brits are very reluctant to do. In the UK there are only flats in the centre - as soon as people start families they like to move out to the suburbs and get a garden of their own.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Oct 2, 2023 10:55:07 GMT
Indeed. So most of us ignored the new trev thread and continued to use Mark's 11 August one. The question esp the rocs might then ask is why should we then use neilj's and not trev's? Is it just a partisan thing? I'm wondering if we've inadvertently stumbled on a solution to the Danny/Alec conundrum vi's a Vis the C word thing. One in one thread and t'other in the second? Admittedly it hasn't been so bad recently. I find the Alec/Danny exchanges useful, you can learn a lot |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 11:12:36 GMT
Taking the 5 most recent polls, there does seem to be a bit of narrowing. I have compared each of the most recent 5 polls to the same pollster's previous average during August and September. 28-29 Sep We Think Lab lead 20% (v 19.8 in 8 polls):-0.2 27-29 Sept Opinium Lab lead 10% (v 14.5 in 4 polls):-4.5 26-27 Sept YouGov Lab lead 21% (v 19.6 in 8 polls):+1.4 26-27 Sept Techne Lab lead 18% (v20.2 in 5 polls):-2.2 22-25 Sept Deltapoll Lab lead 16% (v20.2 in 6 polls):-4.2 So overall, with this set of pollsters, the averaged lead is down 2 points from 19% to 17%. Incidentally, with Opinium having published their latest tables, their unadjusted figures show Lab 42%, Con 26%, so the pattern of the (new) methodology reducing about 6 points from the Labour lead continues. And their methodology also again boosts Reform UK - in this poll from 5.5 to 7%. Tiny thing, but shouldn't the We Think LAB lead be +0.2 rather than down 0.2? |
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Post by neilj on Oct 2, 2023 11:18:57 GMT
I wonder of in years to come we will look back at the great thread war of 2023 as the high point of the forum, will some think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap 😀
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Post by steve on Oct 2, 2023 11:32:26 GMT
Harper says councils in England could be cut off from DVLA database if their traffic management 'overzealous'
Mark Harper, the transport secretary, used his conference speech to give more details of the government’s fightback against the so-called '“war on motorists”. Here are the key points.
Harper said that councils in England that are “overzealous” in their use of traffic management system could be cut off from the DVLA database. That is a significant threat because it would mean they would not be able to use it to enforce, and collect revenue from, fines. Harper said"
As far as I can see this is is behaviour that amounts to aiding and abetting multiple crimes.
Assisting or Encouraging Crime
Part 2 of the Serious Crime Act 2007 creates, at sections 44 to 46, three inchoate offences of intentionally encouraging or assisting an offence; encouraging or assisting an offence believing it will be committed; and encouraging or assisting offences believing one or more will be committed.
If found guilty The maximum term of imprisonment may not exceed that for the relevant offence, or for whichever of two or more relevant offences carries the highest maximum sentence. Where a relevant offence is not punishable by imprisonment, a conspiracy is punishable by a fine - s. 3(1)(b) of the Criminal Law Act 1977.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 2, 2023 11:42:35 GMT
I wonder of in years to come we will look back at the great thread war of 2023 as the high point of the forum, will some think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap 😀 |
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Post by wb61 on Oct 2, 2023 11:44:26 GMT
I wonder of in years to come we will look back at the great thread war of 2023 as the high point of the forum, will some think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap 😀 Will the peace that follows lead to modesty stillness and humility? I think too many here, even in peace, would disguise fair nature with hard-favor'd rage. |
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Post by domjg on Oct 2, 2023 11:51:01 GMT
@lululemonmustdobetter Gratified to see that by your rationale I'm at peak emotional maturity Women of course are at peak emotional maturity from, oh I dunno, 20-80? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 2, 2023 11:56:59 GMT
Mark - Help!!!!!!
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Post by alec on Oct 2, 2023 12:02:56 GMT
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Post by wb61 on Oct 2, 2023 12:11:58 GMT
domjg I first started taking an interest in politics when I was about 7 years old (not sure why) but your picture of Willy Brandt set off a memory of his visit in 1970 which was all over the news  I was then reminded that I liked him because he looked kind to me, but felt guilty because he was German, it was still commonplace to think of the war and Germany as the enemy at that time, and my grandfather who had thought in the war telling me we couldn't really think that way when I told him about my feelings. He told me that Mr Brandt was a new German and on our side. It must have had a lasting impact on me given my views on the EU. As an aside on an earlier occasion i chose Nixon's opponent in the 1968 election as my favourite when the BBC was reporting on the election because I thought he looked a bit like Bob Hope (I Loved the Road To films) I am not sure of the resemblance now: 
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Post by Mark on Oct 2, 2023 12:16:22 GMT
*** New polling thread alert *** I see that not one, but, thre new polling threads have been started. A new polling thread was overdue, so no problem there. I have merged two of the threads as people were posting on them. I have deleted the thread colin started as it was started with a post basically saying 'here is a new thread' with no replies. The threads are merged into the one that Mr Poppy started as the thread title is consistant with the other main polling threads. The thread is here : ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/70/sep-2023-lab-con-ldm |
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Post by johntel on Oct 2, 2023 12:18:15 GMT
Does anyone on here have a Bluesky account? I'd like to join but you need to have an invite from an existing user.
Basically it's an alternative to X/Twitter - a lot of content providers are moving there after getting fed up with Musk.
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Post by domjg on Oct 2, 2023 12:29:20 GMT
wb61 Brandt had an extraordinary life, not least his time in the Norwegian resistance and the fact that Willy Brandt was not his original name: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Brandt He was one of that breed of mid twentieth century political leader who managed to mixed vision, effectiveness, morality and charisma and who are these days so lacking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 12:35:50 GMT
*** New polling thread alert *** I see that not one, but, thre new polling threads have been started. A new polling thread was overdue, so no problem there. I have merged two of the threads as people were posting on them. I have deleted the thread colin started as it was started with a post basically saying 'here is a new thread' with no replies. The threads are merged into the one that Mr Poppy started as the thread title is consistant with the other main polling threads. The thread is here : ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/70/sep-2023-lab-con-ldmThanks Mark . An excellent response to all our silliness. |
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Post by hireton on Oct 2, 2023 13:05:46 GMT
RIP HS2:
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Post by leftieliberal on Oct 2, 2023 13:51:40 GMT
I've enjoyed living and working in places like that in Spain myself. It's the revenue from rich foreign retirees, people from Madrid with 2nd homes and tourists that generates the revenue that pays for it all to be so nice - you're privileged to be able to choose to live there. There are lots of equally nice places on the coast around the UK - it's got nothing to do with Brexit. "There are lots of equally nice places on the coast around the UK" - Where in England, except Devon/Cornwall and Brighton? Of course brexit will have had a significant impact on on-going austerity and will continue to over time as simply put less investment over time means less tax take over time. What have you got against Bournemouth? George V said "Bugger Bognor" with which we all would agree, but Bournemouth is far superior to Brighton - it has a real sandy beach for a start. |
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Post by graham on Oct 2, 2023 14:00:10 GMT
Reports that Scott Benton MP for Blackpool South is likely to face at least a 10 day suspension - thereby forcing a Recall Petition.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Oct 2, 2023 14:01:26 GMT
*** New polling thread alert *** I see that not one, but, thre new polling threads have been started. A new polling thread was overdue, so no problem there. I have merged two of the threads as people were posting on them. I have deleted the thread colin started as it was started with a post basically saying 'here is a new thread' with no replies. The threads are merged into the one that Mr Poppy started as the thread title is consistant with the other main polling threads. The thread is here : ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/thread/70/sep-2023-lab-con-ldmThanks Mark . An excellent response to all our silliness.Speak for yourself - I was merely following the 'rules' and used the correct format  As suggested on the new thread then there is no compulsion for anyone to use a new thread and some people who don't follow the rules might like to stay on this one given I didn't start it |
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Post by leftieliberal on Oct 2, 2023 14:12:41 GMT
It doesn't surprise me. The only pity is that the whole line wasn't cancelled in 2010 and the money put into rail transport in the North and Scotland. Checking The Trainline, it seems that the fastest trains from Edinburgh to Glasgow take over 50 minutes which is appalling for only 42 miles between its two major cities. Euston to Milton Keynes on the WCML is only 30 minutes for a slightly greater distance. |
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Post by bardin1 on Oct 2, 2023 14:44:41 GMT
It doesn't surprise me. The only pity is that the whole line wasn't cancelled in 2010 and the money put into rail transport in the North and Scotland. Checking The Trainline, it seems that the fastest trains from Edinburgh to Glasgow take over 50 minutes which is appalling for only 42 miles between its two major cities. Euston to Milton Keynes on the WCML is only 30 minutes for a slightly greater distance. Even worse here in the Highlands. The just under 60 miles from Dunkeld to edinburgh takes 1 hour and 39 minutes by the direct (ho ho) train, longer if you have to change at Perth. Fortunately when I go to the football on Saturdays I can beat the train by taking the bus, which is quicker but just runs twice a day |
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