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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 23:42:30 GMT
When it comes to social media (the prime mechanism for ultra-targeted messaging, as Cambridge Analytics demonstrated), Facebook these days is seen as the one that older folk use, while X/Twitter, with an apparent relaxation of posting standards ostensibly in the name of free speech, is another platform ripe to exploit delivering the message to those "missing" voter blocs. That makes the targeting easier, as it means not having to dip into those with a younger demographic (eg: TikTok or Instagram), as those are already lost causes. I can see that social media is important, but I wonder if there are any figures on how many UK people actually use these various platforms? It's obviously very easy to bash messages out on 'X' or whatever but does everyone use social media? I know that it's likely to be more common in younger age groups but how many in the 50-64 age group for instance? Are parties missing a trick by over-concentrating on social media? |
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 23:46:02 GMT
Is it? I think those figures show that the posh Labour people are crushing the poor working-class Tories under their well-healed jackboots. š¤£ Well it wouldn't do at all to have jackboots that had injuries  Well spotted. I spotted and corrected before I saw your post but it's nice to know that oldnat will have a worthy successor as the site's humorous pedant. š |
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 23:46:57 GMT
Even though Labour is so committed to continuing Tory policies? Are Labour offering anything new to the electorate then? Inexperience? |
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 23:50:31 GMT
Are Labour offering anything new to the electorate then? Very little - they are almost as evil as the Tories - though less evidence of the latter's Arbeit Macht Frei Wing. Braverman et al would have loyally served the likes of Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich. I wouldn't have thought so. Weren't Asians one of the inferior races? And that was really a bit over the top old chap. Wanting to control immigration versus mass extermination? Get a sense of proportion. |
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Post by oldnat on Sept 28, 2023 23:58:29 GMT
I personally see how Khan is running London; Labour in Wales to see how ineffective they are at in running their areas. The SNP/Greens have shown that left wing governments arenāt effective either. Iām not saying Iām right at what Iām writing and I hope I cause no offence.
Of course, your exaggerated descriptions of those governances are simply rather silly - and perhaps coloured by ignorance too. I doubt that there are many/any governments that are totally ineffective (or effective) at everything. To suggest that is just stupid partisanship - if you choose to omit the party you obviously support from criticism.
As to the SNP/SGP government, I have many criticisms, but a major initiative in the Scottish Child Payment, that Prof Danny Dorling has described as probably causing "the largest fall in child poverty anywhere in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall", isn't "ineffective". It has been hugely effective in lifting more than 300,000 children and young people out of poverty.
That you (and possibly supporters of other parties in your polity) don't consider that a valuable and effective strategy says a lot about you (and them). |
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Post by EmCat on Sept 29, 2023 0:00:26 GMT
When it comes to social media (the prime mechanism for ultra-targeted messaging, as Cambridge Analytics demonstrated), Facebook these days is seen as the one that older folk use, while X/Twitter, with an apparent relaxation of posting standards ostensibly in the name of free speech, is another platform ripe to exploit delivering the message to those "missing" voter blocs. That makes the targeting easier, as it means not having to dip into those with a younger demographic (eg: TikTok or Instagram), as those are already lost causes. I can see that social media is important, but I wonder if there are any figures on how many UK people actually use these various platforms? It's obviously very easy to bash messages out on 'X' or whatever but does everyone use social media? I know that it's likely to be more common in younger age groups but how many in the 50-64 age group for instance? Are parties missing a trick by over-concentrating on social media? Google is your friend: www.statista.com/topics/3236/social-media-usage-in-the-uk/#topicOverview"Which social network is most popular in the UK? For now, the usual suspects of the social media market are still holding on to the top spots in the UK. WhatsApp was the most used social media service in the UK as of 2022, with almost three-quarters of the country using the instant messaging app. Facebook ranked closely in second position, followed by Instagram, Facebook Messenger, and Twitter. In 2023, the total number of social media users in the United Kingdom stands at 62 million. The UKās social media audience In the UK, social media is most popular amongst Gen Z and Millennials. Social media has a 94 percent reach with both generations, and usage drops steadily with age, with 74 percent of Baby boomers being present on social networks. In terms of education, 29 percent of social media users had achieved a bachelor's degree or equivalent, and one in five users were of secondary level education. Additionally, 12 percent of social media users in the UK reported having a household income of under 15.6 thousand GBP. The UK populationās overall usage of social media reveals just how integrated it has become into the everyday lives of the vast majority. A survey found that as of March 2022, 73 percent of respondents used social media every day, whilst just two percent said that they never used it. As of June 2023 in the UK, 1.8 million teens were using Facebook, compared to 1.5 million using Instagram. Currently, there are around 46 million Facebook users in the UK, which accounts for approximately 68 percent of the countryās population and people aged 25 to 34 make up a quarter of all users. " 46 million on Facebook suggests that the parties are missing a trick by under-concentrating on social media. |
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Post by oldnat on Sept 29, 2023 0:25:55 GMT
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"46 million on Facebook suggests that the parties are missing a trick by under-concentrating on social media."
Of course, the actual effect of their choice of messaging matters too. For example, my Twitter timeline (Fuck Off Musk) is full of pictures of English Labour MPs at closed doors, or holding up Shanks posters. I have no idea how this comes across to the critical group of voters in R&HW and, I suspect, neither does Labour HQ in London who are running this by election campaign.
I haven't changed my opinion that Labour will win this last election in R&HW, but it is entirely possible that their social media campaign may reduce, rather than increase, their winning margin.
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Post by steve on Sept 29, 2023 4:59:34 GMT
"Slough council"
I may have misconstrued the anti Labour postings but can someone attempt to explain why Sadiq Khan would be responsible for the financial difficulties of Slough Council!
Is he also responsible for the difficulties of Michael Gove's constituency of Surrey Heath or the dozens of other councils of all political party control impacted by the 60% cut in central government funding over the last decade.
Bloody London mayor why isn't the most successful directly elected politician in the UK touring the country sorting it out!
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Post by neilj on Sept 29, 2023 5:24:35 GMT
I may be the only person on the forum to predict the next election to be much closer than people think and the Conservatives to just get over the line. I agree...you are probably are the only person on the forum to predict that š |
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Post by neilj on Sept 29, 2023 5:25:22 GMT
Agree and it shows just how far standards have fallen
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Post by wb61 on Sept 29, 2023 5:28:49 GMT
and cancellation of oilfield licences outside London all fall into the category of policy mistakes that could be dealt with in that way. I 'liked' the overall post because it seemed very sensible, but can you clear up what this bit meant? I didn't know that London had oilfields.Ā EDIT: Beaten to it by oldnat yet again. Blinking Scots, hanging around on here all day just so they can beat me to the punch.Ā  The dangers of editing on the move. I added in the oilfields bit afterwards in the wrong place, it should have followed outside London. |
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Post by athena on Sept 29, 2023 5:31:40 GMT
I can see that social media is important, but I wonder if there are any figures on how many UK people actually use these various platforms? It's obviously very easy to bash messages out on 'X' or whatever but does everyone use social media? I know that it's likely to be more common in younger age groups but how many in the 50-64 age group for instance? Are parties missing a trick by over-concentrating on social media? A while back colin pointed me to the most recent Ofcom survey of news consumption. First document in the table is the UK-wide data. It's fairly high-level stuff, but gives a rough idea of the mix of sources used by different age groups and how they are perceived. |
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Post by steve on Sept 29, 2023 5:37:30 GMT
wb61The kfc in Berwick Street in Soho was always an oilfield on a Saturday night. Those rats don't deep fry themselves.
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Post by Danny on Sept 29, 2023 6:11:45 GMT
I have no idea what was said on the show. With regard to Russel Brand, I first came across him when his show appeared on the R4 6:30pm light entertainment half hour slot, which typically has shows like 'just a minute'. Well before he got into trouble I wondered what on earth such a show was doing in that slot. I habitually sometimes listen all day to R4 as background so I dont turn off stuff I dont like, but his show was simply annoying. Personally I do chat with suitable friends about whether men are shaggable, and straight women seem to like doing this in the company of gay men too. So I hope he isnt being dismissed for venturing whether someone is shaggable because lots of women do that too. Mate of mine (also gay) explained how he and a female friend liked to admire guys on the tube and rate their 'lunch box' as the journey progressed. I guess between them they reckoned a fellow passenger would find at least one of them interesting. Fox referred to the person as 'that'. Deliberately, poisonously dehumanising. You are tedious and disingenuous in equal measure with your, frankly icky, posts like this. It strikes me quite a few people have no idea what others really think or do. Are you seriously arguing men (and women) do not look at each other assessing their shaggability? There is a degree of craziness amongst some feminists about being regarded as sex objects, and yet women do this too in reverse. Obviously there is a raw power imbalance in that men are stronger, and women have to bear and raise children because of biology making them the responsible party. Thats hardly controversial, everyone is more attached to their own kid than someone elses and its really personally their kid for a woman. But its also an assumed powerlessness and hypocritical to claim sexual attraction and stereotyping doesnt work in reverse too. I mentioned above the Flanders and Swan show recordings from the 60s, and I might mention again the ONS stats on non-straight respondents in polls. Which range from about 8% in the youngest group to 2% in the oldest. Obviously the real numbers are going to be a random average and much the same, maybe around 10% but who knows where the upwards trend will stop. The responses are dictated by social conditioning. These two facts are consistent, the 80 year olds now didnt recognise the existence of gayness back in the 60s even in themselves. Fashions in social behaviour have changed, but they are fashions and will change again. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 29, 2023 6:14:36 GMT
The left-wing instinct is to drag everyone down to the same level. Sad but true. The attitude seems to be that if someone has more money than you he cant deserve it. Also of course there's hypocrisy. Quite a few Labour politicians have their kids privately educated. Difficult bit is that freqeuently he doesnt deserve it. thats the hard truth behind economic division. You can indeed justify great rewards for great contributions, but it normally doesnt work like that. People use their power to bias returns towards themselves. |
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2023 6:15:50 GMT
I'm not saying you're wrong, but, what do you see in the past 13 years that makes you think the Tories will win? What actually works after they've had there grifting hands on it? Where is life better for most people? Pretty sure if I'm correct if the Tories won from here it would break all polling records? I may well be wrong and yes it would be breaking records and i could be completely off. I donāt see things being better under Labour Iām afraid. That's not answering why you think the Tories will win? |
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2023 6:16:56 GMT
I think you're almost the only person in the country at the moment but pray tell, what is your reasoning? Welcome btw, don't think we've seen you before. I personally see how Khan is running London; Labour in Wales to see how ineffective they are at in running their areas. The SNP/Greens have shown that left wing governments arenāt effective either. Iām not saying Iām right at what Iām writing and I hope I cause no offence. and yet under Labour before 2010 the country was in a far better place. |
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2023 6:18:21 GMT
That's funny as the populaces of both London and Wales appear to be overwhelming supportive of their Labour led devolved administrations (which are of course largely dependent on central government funding). In Wales turnout at Assembly Elections is below 50% - often well below! That just means they hate the Tories even more. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 29, 2023 6:22:39 GMT
"Nigeria has a population of over 200million. If 10% are LBGT+** that is 20million people. Do you think we should let that number of people claim asylum in UK? Yes/No." Given that there are " only" 35 million refugees in the world and just 231,000 in the UK of whom around 1500 identified as gay of whom less than 500 are from Nigeria the actual answer is don't be so bloody ridiculous. Trevor channeling his inner Fromage I remember when the frog faced hate gimp suggested the entire population of Turkey were about to arrive in Dover. Its obviously true that con have hyped up the small numbers of uninvited refugees arriving here as one of the few issues they believe might be beneficial to them if they can get the public debate onto that subject. But on the other hand it seems highly likely global warming will happen and will be piled on top of the normal world instability creating waves of refugees. The Russia- US antagonism seems to have kicked off again fomenting dissent and encouraging autocratic rule, and China is growing steadily as a player in the great game too. It seems much more likely than not that there will come a time where the Uk is faced with mass waves of refugees and the numbers really will be unsustainable. So, what do we do about this? |
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 29, 2023 6:23:29 GMT
I think you're almost the only person in the country at the moment but pray tell, what is your reasoning? Welcome btw, don't think we've seen you before. I personally see how Khan is running London; Labour in Wales to see how ineffective they are at in running their areas. The SNP/Greens have shown that left wing governments arenāt effective either. Iām not saying Iām right at what Iām writing and I hope I cause no offence. Good to see a new poster, and one with ROC political opinions too. But why such an apologetic tone? |
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2023 6:24:27 GMT
All on the board want Labour to win but we can't be complacent. I think you might have miscounted. yeah, but the Tories are to wishy washy for you no chance the BNP can win so I put you down as a non voter. *just banter* |
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Post by Danny on Sept 29, 2023 6:25:05 GMT
The left-wing instinct is to drag everyone down to the same level. Sad but true. The attitude seems to be that if someone has more money than you he cant deserve it. Also of course there's hypocrisy. Quite a few Labour politicians have their kids privately educated. "The left-wing instinct is to drag everyone down to the same level. Sad but true" - Sad to think that and of course total, 24 carat bollocks. Seems to be true about education, however? |
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Post by Danny on Sept 29, 2023 6:27:31 GMT
I may be the only person on the forum to predict the next election to be much closer than people think and the Conservatives to just get over the line. Its entirely possible in the Uk to win an election and thus absolute power with 70% of the population opposed to you, even vehemently opposed. Its a function of having a two party system where neither is liked by a majority. On the other hand, this level of disaffection can be harnessed to create big political upsets, such as Brexit. |
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2023 6:28:32 GMT
Very little - they are almost as evil as the Tories - though less evidence of the latter's Arbeit Macht Frei Wing. Braverman et al would have loyally served the likes of Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich. I wouldn't have thought so. Weren't Asians one of the inferior races? And that was really a bit over the top old chap. Wanting to control immigration versus mass extermination? Get a sense of proportion. Austerity killed 330,000. Tories go after the poor and disabled for fun' These aren't nice cuddly people with our best interests at heart, hence all the Russian money, grifting etc. |
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Post by barbara on Sept 29, 2023 6:30:30 GMT
Then why dont you do something about it? And pay enough money to state schools so that they give an equal quality of education to private schools? Its not the rich preventing this happen (well ok, con are the party of the rich and you can see why they arent interested in properly funding schools). Its the labour party, the only potential party representing the poor or even the middle of society who could change what you object to and fund schools properly. Taking away a good education from 7% of the population does not help the 93% which the state is responsible for. All it does is hide the fact the state is performing so badly by removing the comparison showing what could be done.
Its very arguable that abolishing private education would mostly have the effect of hiding how badly the state system does, and thats why politicians would seek to do it. The reallly rich, of course will be unaffected by measures like this, its the refugees from the state system who can barely afford private fees who will lose out from this, and their kids suffer.
Do you really believe that the State has the means to provide all pupils with an education comparable to Eton? God forbid that anyone has to undergo an education comparable to Eton if some of its recent alumni are anything to go by. |
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2023 6:32:14 GMT
That's funny as the populaces of both London and Wales appear to be overwhelming supportive of their Labour led devolved administrations (which are of course largely dependent on central government funding). Khans war on motorists; most of which are working class; knife-crime being out of control (just to name a few) are some of the reasons. Slough council; Croydon council being bankrupt under their control. Wales is in decline thanks to 24 years of Labour government. The NHS has been declining for years under their watch. The disastrous handling of the M4 (again just to name a few reasons). You can argue that the electorate is too loyal to Labour in their Welsh and London heartland regardless of their poor handling. and yet you and mercian have missed the way the Tories have run the whole of the UK for the past 13 years? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Sept 29, 2023 6:33:52 GMT
Hutton Rudby (North Yorks) - Con hold
Con 48.4% (+8.9%)
LD 37.9%(+14.2%)
Green 12.3% (+12.3%)
YP 1.4% (+1.4%)
No Ind (-28.5%) or Lab (-8.2%).
Labour hold in Wolverhampton.
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Post by Danny on Sept 29, 2023 6:37:21 GMT
I may well be wrong and yes it would be breaking records and i could be completely off. I donāt see things being better under Labour Iām afraid. Looking at the record in office of the last two conservative administration and the labour one sandwiched in between, the Uk did far the best under a labour administration. There does not seem to be any reason to believe this would not be true again. News this morning reported this conservative block has seen the highest increase in taxation on record. And yet the national finances are in a worse state than when they took office. That is an incredibly bad record for anyone! Just what did they do with the money? Lockdown - wasted a trillion pounds the country did not have. Then we have brilliant business deals such as the new oil extraction licence off Shetland, which is certain to make more money for Norway than the UK (because Norway owns private companies as state assets), and may actually make a net loss for the Uk government in terms of tax revenue once the various subsidies are taken in to account. Given actions like that, no wonder the conservatives have bankrupted the state.
A consistent trademark of conservative administrations seems to be to asset strip the state.
The biggest threat to labour seems to be that no one much likes them either, and so they might scare away voters on what those voters regard as crucnch issue. For example the majority in the Uk who want to rejoin the EU. Or the probably quite small but potentially electorally significant block who believe in private education and a right to access it. Apparently 7% of kids are educated privately, so labour just promised to cost 7% of families several thousand pounds a year. While the ones attending state schools wont be influenced much by this policy either way. |
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Post by domjg on Sept 29, 2023 6:43:50 GMT
That's funny as the populaces of both London and Wales appear to be overwhelming supportive of their Labour led devolved administrations (which are of course largely dependent on central government funding). Khans war on motorists; most of which are working class; knife-crime being out of control (just to name a few) are some of the reasons. Slough council; Croydon council being bankrupt under their control. Wales is in decline thanks to 24 years of Labour government. The NHS has been declining for years under their watch. The disastrous handling of the M4 (again just to name a few reasons). You can argue that the electorate is too loyal to Labour in their Welsh and London heartland regardless of their poor handling. Shocking. If Wales is in any way in 'decline' it's because it's suffering 13 years of UK tory govt and brexit, like everywhere else. |
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2023 6:51:15 GMT
Question time last night. This chap was interesting talking about immigration.
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