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Post by hireton on Sept 28, 2023 20:52:40 GMT
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Post by Danny on Sept 28, 2023 20:55:53 GMT
colin "I may have misunderstood Fox's purpose, but I took it to be the demeaning of the views and opinions of the lady he attacked, because she is a woman." Given that it was because he guestioned whether anyone could possibly find her "shaggable" I think your "may have" is somewhat redundant. And if you didn't know that then you shouldn't have been attacking someone else on the board for a perfectly innocent comment. I have no idea what was said on the show. With regard to Russel Brand, I first came across him when his show appeared on the R4 6:30pm light entertainment half hour slot, which typically has shows like 'just a minute'. Well before he got into trouble I wondered what on earth such a show was doing in that slot. I habitually sometimes listen all day to R4 as background so I dont turn off stuff I dont like, but his show was simply annoying. Personally I do chat with suitable friends about whether men are shaggable, and straight women seem to like doing this in the company of gay men too. So I hope he isnt being dismissed for venturing whether someone is shaggable because lots of women do that too. Mate of mine (also gay) explained how he and a female friend liked to admire guys on the tube and rate their 'lunch box' as the journey progressed. I guess between them they reckoned a fellow passenger would find at least one of them interesting. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 28, 2023 21:04:00 GMT
If the criteria to claim asylum in UK (rather than elsewhere) is speaking English then how many millions of people would that cover? Could you highlight where in the UN Refugee Convention 1951* it mentions that speaking English is relevant You are being very disingenuous again. You make a point of saying the charter does not mention speaking English as being a criteria for acceptance or applying to an English speaking country. And yet you miss the point that nowhere does it mention anything about what countries you should or should not be allowed to apply to. You are entitled to apply to any country you like. Thats the rules we made. Probably having in mind that as an island off the coast of europe there probably wouldnt be many going to the trouble of coming this far. The problem is that Nigeria seems to have a dodgy enough government that the situation where most citizens had a good claim and so could come here might actually happen. And so its a legitimate debate what should be done about this. Global warming will lead to migration, countries becoming uninhabitable, famines and wars. While the Uk has no real immigration problem at the moment, and certainly none it could not solve by a deal with the EU, this is going to arise eventually. But at the moment the government cannot admit that leaving the EU caused our current problem, and only unravelling Brexit to the extent of agreeing a solution to this can solve it. In general no british government for I dont know how long has been willing to admit a steadily growing population is a bad thing. Including the current one. Such growth will be achieved by immigration. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 28, 2023 21:14:11 GMT
You are wrong that "homosexuality" wasn't "in the public consciousness". Of course, it was. It just wasn't called "gay" back then, and sexual issues were not raised in the media till the 60s (if you ignore the coded reports in the News of the World!) I think what struck me was how in the show they were talking about male-male relationships which today would instantly flag the gay question, but it obviosuly simply would not occur to anyone. Two males living together could not possibly be anything other than mates. Do you recall all the stuff from 'round the horn', where they slipped in gay slang no one had a clue about? |
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 28, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
Who is this poster we know as the entity "Colin"?
(Answers on a postcard to Mr T Warne, The Turk Ranch, Somewhere in Texas. USA)
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Post by Danny on Sept 28, 2023 21:23:35 GMT
"Sunak expected to limit powers of councils in England to curb car use Exclusive: Potential plan to restrict measures such as 20mph speed limits" At around 30mph a road traffic collision with a pedestrian is like being hit by a 3.5 tonne elephant or a fall from the third floor. Around 50% of children hit by a vehicle at 30mph die. At 20 mph the figure is less than 5% To win votes our prime minister is going to kill children. Think about that and then vote these fuckers out. You too are trying to whip up outrage about children to make a political point. If you really want to stop road deaths at any cost, then ban cars all together. Isnt that the logical extension of what you are supporting? Killing children by car on public roads is acceptable government policy, if you insist on framing it that way, and always has been. And this is very unlikely to change. The only question is the balance about what constitutes an acceptable risk. In that respect a drop in speed may be right, may be wrong. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Sept 28, 2023 21:24:22 GMT
From the Guardian - BBC partially gags presenters on major 'non-news' shows. News was already covered: "The small number of presenters in this category will have their ability to share political views severely restricted while their BBC programme is on air. They will also have to stay quiet on party politics for a two-week period before and after the series has been broadcast. The full list of BBC programmes and the presenters affected by the new rules are: Antiques Roadshow – Fiona Bruce The Apprentice – Lord Sugar Dragons’ Den – Evan Davis The One Show – Alex Jones Presenters of major events, such as sporting events MasterChef – John Torode and Gregg Wallace Match of the Day – Gary Lineker and Mark Chapman Strictly Come Dancing – Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman Top Gear’s current presenters Radio 1 – Greg James Radio 2 – Zoë Ball, Vernon Kay and Scott Mills These presenters will be banned from endorsing or criticising a political party, criticising the character of individual politicians in the UK, commenting on any issue that is a matter of political debate during an election period, and taking up an official role assisting or fundraising for campaigning groups. They will be free to engage in such activity when their programmes are off air" This would seem to suggest that Gary Linker was absoutely correct at the time he was suspended, that he had a perfect contractual right to say whatever he liked. I think the BBC conceded that at the time, when they 'unbanned' him. |
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Post by oldnat on Sept 28, 2023 21:24:28 GMT
"Sunak expected to limit powers of councils in England to curb car use Exclusive: Potential plan to restrict measures such as 20mph speed limits" At around 30mph a road traffic collision with a pedestrian is like being hit by a 3.5 tonne elephant or a fall from the third floor. Around 50% of children hit by a vehicle at 30mph die. At 20 mph the figure is less than 5% To win votes our prime minister is going to kill children. Think about that and then vote these fuckers out. |
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Post by oldnat on Sept 28, 2023 21:30:53 GMT
You are wrong that "homosexuality" wasn't "in the public consciousness". Of course, it was. It just wasn't called "gay" back then, and sexual issues were not raised in the media till the 60s (if you ignore the coded reports in the News of the World!) I think what struck me was how in the show they were talking about male-male relationships which today would instantly flag the gay question, but it obviosuly simply would not occur to anyone. Two males living together could not possibly be anything other than mates. Do you recall all the stuff from 'round the horn', where they slipped in gay slang no one had a clue about? |
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Post by domjg on Sept 28, 2023 21:32:05 GMT
"Sunak expected to limit powers of councils in England to curb car use Exclusive: Potential plan to restrict measures such as 20mph speed limits" At around 30mph a road traffic collision with a pedestrian is like being hit by a 3.5 tonne elephant or a fall from the third floor. Around 50% of children hit by a vehicle at 30mph die. At 20 mph the figure is less than 5% To win votes our prime minister is going to kill children. Think about that and then vote these fuckers out. And my bloody MP was knocking on doors handing out anti 20mph leaflets in a village that's overwhelmingly campaigning to get a 20 mph limit on the road through it.. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 28, 2023 21:33:01 GMT
Is Lawrence Fox the son Dr Liam Fox never had?
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 21:33:41 GMT
There has been pent-up 'right-wing' sentiment for decades. Brexit allowed it to be expressed for once. Ever since the war the two main parties have been virtually indistinguishable in policy, with the one exception when The Blessed Margaret was in power. Many policies popular with the electorate such as the death penalty are not represented at all by any significant party. This is bad for democracy. PR would be good, because then we could have a positive choice instead of having to choose the least-worst option of a few virtually identically parties (for all their rhetoric). I am mostly taking about England because there are other considerations in other parts of the UK of course. That's all folks! Da-da-da-da etc "There has been pent-up 'right-wing' sentiment for decades" - Where, apart from your house and your mates? You've been privy to the secret desires of what I suspect you think is the 'silent majority' for decades all over the country have you? There is a clear progressive majority in this country, it's just the electoral and party configuration and the tories ability to eat ukip's lunch while still keeping their moderate voters that's kept them in power. Now that party is over thank God and the tories can no longer maintain their voting coalition as moderates abandon them in sufficient numbers. Well you say that but I note that you don't give any source or definition of what you mean. I specifically mentioned the death penalty, which I think is generally considered to be a right-wing policy. Here's a link yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/topic/Death_Penalty?content=allAlthough there is a majority against it for all murder, specific types have a majority in favour - e.g. terrorist murder, murder of a child and multiple murder. No significant party will even discuss this issue. When all major parties agree on stuff like this, voters get frustrated and when given the chance (as in referenda) will give them all a kicking if they're all on the same side (which they were for Brexit). |
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2023 21:34:09 GMT
@danny
No-one should be using that kind of language on a national news broadcaster. That people say that kind of thing elsewhere isn't particularly relevant.
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Post by domjg on Sept 28, 2023 21:35:58 GMT
colin "I may have misunderstood Fox's purpose, but I took it to be the demeaning of the views and opinions of the lady he attacked, because she is a woman." Given that it was because he guestioned whether anyone could possibly find her "shaggable" I think your "may have" is somewhat redundant. And if you didn't know that then you shouldn't have been attacking someone else on the board for a perfectly innocent comment. I have no idea what was said on the show. With regard to Russel Brand, I first came across him when his show appeared on the R4 6:30pm light entertainment half hour slot, which typically has shows like 'just a minute'. Well before he got into trouble I wondered what on earth such a show was doing in that slot. I habitually sometimes listen all day to R4 as background so I dont turn off stuff I dont like, but his show was simply annoying. Personally I do chat with suitable friends about whether men are shaggable, and straight women seem to like doing this in the company of gay men too. So I hope he isnt being dismissed for venturing whether someone is shaggable because lots of women do that too. Mate of mine (also gay) explained how he and a female friend liked to admire guys on the tube and rate their 'lunch box' as the journey progressed. I guess between them they reckoned a fellow passenger would find at least one of them interesting. Fox referred to the person as 'that'. Deliberately, poisonously dehumanising. You are tedious and disingenuous in equal measure with your, frankly icky, posts like this. |
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Post by pete on Sept 28, 2023 21:37:26 GMT
It seems increasingly likely that there will be a Labour Government after the next election. Also, Keir Starmer claims to be a fan of Harold Wilson. I would suggest that there is an important lesson that could be learned from an observation of the first Wilson Government. There was an internal dispute as to whether to devalue the pound once they had taken office and had a full view of the state of the nations' finances. It is now a common view that they should have devalued rather than wait until 1968 because they were in prime position to blame it on the outgoing Conservative administration. It appears to me that any bad news on government finances, given our parlous current condition, should be introduced immediately and the blame passed. Taxes, re-negotiation of trade deals (including with the EU) and the promotion of significant infrastructure projects and cancellation of oilfield licences outside London all fall into the category of policy mistakes that could be dealt with in that way. All on the board want Labour to win but we can't be complacent. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 21:40:00 GMT
Just what is wrong with rich people spending money on their kids, getting at least some citizens better educated, and thereby saving the state money?
The left-wing instinct is to drag everyone down to the same level. Sad but true. The attitude seems to be that if someone has more money than you he cant deserve it. Also of course there's hypocrisy. Quite a few Labour politicians have their kids privately educated. |
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Post by steve on Sept 28, 2023 21:42:10 GMT
"Nigeria has a population of over 200million. If 10% are LBGT+** that is 20million people. Do you think we should let that number of people claim asylum in UK? Yes/No."
Given that there are " only" 35 million refugees in the world and just 231,000 in the UK of whom around 1500 identified as gay of whom less than 500 are from Nigeria the actual answer is don't be so bloody ridiculous.
Trevor channeling his inner Fromage I remember when the frog faced hate gimp suggested the entire population of Turkey were about to arrive in Dover.
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 21:47:07 GMT
There is a clear progressive majority in this country, it's just the electoral and party configuration and the tories ability to eat ukip's lunch while still keeping their moderate voters that's kept them in power. Now that party is over thank God and the tories can no longer maintain their voting coalition as moderates abandon them in sufficient numbers. ... Incidentally, I'd like to believe in a 'progressive majority' but I'm not sure that it's a very meaningful term. I suspect that if it exists, it's for cakeist progression - better public services without paying more tax, same-sex marriage because it's no skin off other people's noses, onshore windfarms somewhere else, net zero so long it's not expensive or inconvenient. Well said. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 21:51:57 GMT
Exactly. Surely anyone commenting on her speech would have actually bothered to read/listen to it, non?  Non. For an antidote -read Trevor Philips this morning. As ever the former head of UK's equality bodies gets to the heart of things. That was a very wise and perceptive article. 👍 |
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Post by steve on Sept 28, 2023 21:52:18 GMT
"All on the board want Labour to win but we can't be complacent."
Well I'd rather like the Lib dems to win but I won't hold my breath in anticipation.
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Post by domjg on Sept 28, 2023 22:00:10 GMT
Just what is wrong with rich people spending money on their kids, getting at least some citizens better educated, and thereby saving the state money?
The left-wing instinct is to drag everyone down to the same level. Sad but true. The attitude seems to be that if someone has more money than you he cant deserve it. Also of course there's hypocrisy. Quite a few Labour politicians have their kids privately educated. "The left-wing instinct is to drag everyone down to the same level. Sad but true" - Sad to think that and of course total, 24 carat bollocks. |
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Post by pete on Sept 28, 2023 22:03:22 GMT
I am deeply saddened that we have lost the chance to find out what Tess Daly thinks about High Speed 2.  Could you explain to me , how that remark differs in principle ,from Laurence Fox's remarks about Ava Evans . |
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Post by t7g4 on Sept 28, 2023 22:05:31 GMT
I may be the only person on the forum to predict the next election to be much closer than people think and the Conservatives to just get over the line.
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 22:06:10 GMT
and cancellation of oilfield licences outside London all fall into the category of policy mistakes that could be dealt with in that way. I 'liked' the overall post because it seemed very sensible, but can you clear up what this bit meant? I didn't know that London had oilfields. EDIT: Beaten to it by oldnat yet again. Blinking Scots, hanging around on here all day just so they can beat me to the punch. |
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Post by domjg on Sept 28, 2023 22:10:23 GMT
"There has been pent-up 'right-wing' sentiment for decades" - Where, apart from your house and your mates? You've been privy to the secret desires of what I suspect you think is the 'silent majority' for decades all over the country have you? There is a clear progressive majority in this country, it's just the electoral and party configuration and the tories ability to eat ukip's lunch while still keeping their moderate voters that's kept them in power. Now that party is over thank God and the tories can no longer maintain their voting coalition as moderates abandon them in sufficient numbers. Well you say that but I note that you don't give any source or definition of what you mean. I specifically mentioned the death penalty, which I think is generally considered to be a right-wing policy. Here's a link yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/topic/Death_Penalty?content=allAlthough there is a majority against it for all murder, specific types have a majority in favour - e.g. terrorist murder, murder of a child and multiple murder. No significant party will even discuss this issue. When all major parties agree on stuff like this, voters get frustrated and when given the chance (as in referenda) will give them all a kicking if they're all on the same side (which they were for Brexit). Yes, it's a real shame isn't it? No party is currently proposing to deport all non native British people (yet). There are just so few political options for the modern fascist about town these days to kill, maim and humiliate by proxy. Must be so frustrating for you.. er them.. |
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Post by pete on Sept 28, 2023 22:11:38 GMT
I may be the only person on the forum to predict the next election to be much closer than people think and the Conservatives to just get over the line. I'm not saying you're wrong, but, what do you see in the past 13 years that makes you think the Tories will win? What actually works after they've had there grifting hands on it? Where is life better for most people? Pretty sure if I'm correct if the Tories won from here it would break all polling records? |
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Post by domjg on Sept 28, 2023 22:13:39 GMT
I may be the only person on the forum to predict the next election to be much closer than people think and the Conservatives to just get over the line. I think you're almost the only person in the country at the moment but pray tell, what is your reasoning? Welcome btw, don't think we've seen you before. |
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Post by pete on Sept 28, 2023 22:15:16 GMT
I may be the only person on the forum to predict the next election to be much closer than people think and the Conservatives to just get over the line. I think you're the only person in the country at the moment but pray tell, what is your reasoning? Welcome btw, don't think we've seen you before. Things would be worse under Labour (though they weren't when Labour were last in power)...and lots and lots and even more drugs. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 22:15:21 GMT
It was a teenage d***head. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 28, 2023 22:19:54 GMT
Pedant alert - Devaluation happened in November 1967. I was only six then, I misremembered  Blinking youngsters. This is what's wrong with the world. People under 70 being allowed to have an opinion. 😁 |
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