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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 25, 2023 8:26:51 GMT
Fascist replacement theory proponent Tucker Carlson's replacement on the fox " news" 8 pm slot was an individual called Brian Kilmeade , for those who don't know of Kilmeade he's a cipher for right wing bigotry of unusual stupidity, a cognition vacuum. If anyone is expecting an improvement from Tucker's white victimhood insanity don't . Kilmeade faced criticism after expressing support for the right-wing group English Defence League during an interview with their leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who also uses the name 'Tommy Robinson'. He finished the interview with the words "Tommy, we got your back and we'll definitely look to keep in touch, it's great what you're doing". Another presumably on the benefits of racial purity "We keep marrying other species and other ethnics" On July 8, 2009, Kilmeade and two co-hosts were discussing a study that, based on research done in Finland and Sweden, showed people who stay married are less likely to develop Alzheimer's disease. Kilmeade, whose paternal grandfather was Irish, commented, "[In the United States] we keep marrying other species and other ethnics." Ignoring attempts by co-host Gretchen Carlson who is of Swedish descent to interrupt him, he added, "See, the problem is the Swedes have pure genes. Because they marry other Swedes... Finns marry other Finns, so they have a pure society. In America we marry everybody" Fox has all the best people. See, I told you Carlson wasn't right wing enough, and you thought I was joking! (Mind you, so did I). |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Apr 25, 2023 8:36:06 GMT
Just watch this one. I don't think its a fake either. I can see now where Mr Poppy gets his 'business ' motivational ideas from:- ✋ is a bit 1990s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_to_the_handI find just ignoring time wasters easier myself, although that wouldn't work in a workplace where things need to get done. A quick ✋ perhaps still useful to stop people wittering on with unproductive nonsense and ensure participants focus on the task at hand. Something for my "fan club" to consider given it's a nice day today: |
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 25, 2023 8:37:52 GMT
On further investigation I see that the phone alert would only be received by people whose android phones are running version 11 or higher. And updates automatically stop a year or two after purchase, presumably to build in obsolescence. But in this case building in safety from disturbing alarms for anyone with an older phone. I still see a discrepancy between government notices that a few phones didnt get the alarm and R4 this morning suggesting ten million. Plus at least one report their phone simply stopped operating. My phone was switched off at the time, as it usually is if I'm not actively using it. I would have expected to receive the message when I switched on, but that didn't happen. We were in Worcester when my wife's phone went off and two young men were nearby, one of whom said that his friend was German and was confused by the alarm. I said "It's a test of the system to warn us that Putin has launched the nukes" and then turned to the German and said "We used to have sirens against your lot" 🤣 Mercian, you remind me of this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNiTo_TbeQ |
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Post by steve on Apr 25, 2023 8:38:39 GMT
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Post by neilj on Apr 25, 2023 8:47:22 GMT
Even Dan Hodges can see the flaw in this tory plan
Their 'plans' to stop the boats haven't worked in the past, are not working now and unlikely to work in the future
Come the election and the boats are still coming they're going to look incompetent and failures
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Post by neilj on Apr 25, 2023 8:49:22 GMT
Unfortunately I doubt he will as Sunak is weak,weak, weak
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 8:56:21 GMT
Actually, completely wrong, it is fake as Rosie Holt is an actor/comedian The initial post by Mr Poppy defending Raab was so surreal it was hard to tell the difference between what's fake and what's reality. From his response it's also clear he reads every ones posts as well!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 8:57:38 GMT
Something for my "fan club" to consider given it's a nice day today: Great  I don't see steve as a gardener though. |
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 9:01:21 GMT
Rosie Holt is a comic who specialises in satirical representations of the more dim witted of Tory MPs! ✋ is a bit 1990s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_to_the_handI find just ignoring time wasters easier myself, although that wouldn't work in a workplace where things need to get done. A quick ✋ perhaps still useful to stop people wittering on with unproductive nonsense and ensure participants focus on the task at hand. Something for my "fan club" to consider given it's a nice day today: Ooooh so you do see my posts. Stop lying to yourself....you're not ignoring anyone really are you. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:03:54 GMT
Still TBC what change swill occur but "Raabgate" continues.
Top civil servants ‘plotted to oust bully Dominic Raab’www.thetimes.co.uk/article/top-civil-servants-plotted-to-oust-bully-dominic-raab-ps8wlg77p
Dominic Raab row: Gen Z civil servants incapable of 'shutting up and taking direction', claims ex-officialinews.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-row-gen-z-civil-servants-incapable-shutting-up-taking-direction-2295373Obviously a bit of "he said, she said" going on but as I stated a few days ago then some clarification on what exactly constitutes "bullying" is required and more formal guidelines WRT to 'performance' need to be established (ie exactly how the issue was dealt with in the private sector). Then with more formalised procedures with a clear set of criteria the issue of 'low productivity', likely only from a few individuals, can be dealt with. The Times article alludes to the other area I mentioned a few days. Having believed they've scored a victory then some of the "bullies" who think they can "bully" out elected ministers will likely be drawn out in the open where (obviously using due process) they can be dealt with (via due process). IMO if a group of individuals act in concert with varying forms of attack on an individual (eg making stuff up, coercing others to join in an attack, etc) then they are "bullies" who have been engaging in "bullying" to get their way. So like Raab they should face the consequences of their actions. However, the most important thing is to use "Raabgate" as an opportunity for change. New procedures should benefit both elected ministers and unelected civil servants. Everyone should know exactly what the rules are and the rules should then be applied when needed. Folks can then get on with their jobs and productivity would likely improve. It's time for the Civil Service to be dragged into the modern era. I was reading that they have a few more targets in sight. Politicians of both stripes have been trying to drag the Civil Service into the "modern era " for decades. It has resisted and still does. Blunket's jibe that they are "permanent" and politicians aren't ,came to mind when they pulled their own out of Khartoum leaving ordinary brits to save themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:06:43 GMT
Just watch this one. I don't think its a fake either. I can see now where Mr Poppy gets his 'business ' motivational ideas from:- .......for the more dimwitted and gullible of Labour supporters. |
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 9:14:03 GMT
Still TBC what change swill occur but "Raabgate" continues.
Top civil servants ‘plotted to oust bully Dominic Raab’www.thetimes.co.uk/article/top-civil-servants-plotted-to-oust-bully-dominic-raab-ps8wlg77p
Dominic Raab row: Gen Z civil servants incapable of 'shutting up and taking direction', claims ex-officialinews.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-row-gen-z-civil-servants-incapable-shutting-up-taking-direction-2295373Obviously a bit of "he said, she said" going on but as I stated a few days ago then some clarification on what exactly constitutes "bullying" is required and more formal guidelines WRT to 'performance' need to be established (ie exactly how the issue was dealt with in the private sector). Then with more formalised procedures with a clear set of criteria the issue of 'low productivity', likely only from a few individuals, can be dealt with. The Times article alludes to the other area I mentioned a few days. Having believed they've scored a victory then some of the "bullies" who think they can "bully" out elected ministers will likely be drawn out in the open where (obviously using due process) they can be dealt with (via due process). IMO if a group of individuals act in concert with varying forms of attack on an individual (eg making stuff up, coercing others to join in an attack, etc) then they are "bullies" who have been engaging in "bullying" to get their way. So like Raab they should face the consequences of their actions. However, the most important thing is to use "Raabgate" as an opportunity for change. New procedures should benefit both elected ministers and unelected civil servants. Everyone should know exactly what the rules are and the rules should then be applied when needed. Folks can then get on with their jobs and productivity would likely improve. It's time for the Civil Service to be dragged into the modern era. when they pulled their own out of Khartoum leaving ordinary brits to save themselves. Conspiracy theories now......Civil Servants go rogue all the time and organise airlifts out of Africa without political oversight...yeah right! You clearly have absolutely no idea how much control there is from central Govmt on the Civil Service. |
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Post by domjg on Apr 25, 2023 9:18:19 GMT
Actually, completely wrong, it is fake as Rosie Holt is an actor/comedian The bizarre thing is that years ago none of us would have suspected for a second that such a clip might be real, now the world is so insane that we can't be sure! |
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Post by domjg on Apr 25, 2023 9:20:05 GMT
Still TBC what change swill occur but "Raabgate" continues.
Top civil servants ‘plotted to oust bully Dominic Raab’www.thetimes.co.uk/article/top-civil-servants-plotted-to-oust-bully-dominic-raab-ps8wlg77p
Dominic Raab row: Gen Z civil servants incapable of 'shutting up and taking direction', claims ex-officialinews.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-row-gen-z-civil-servants-incapable-shutting-up-taking-direction-2295373Obviously a bit of "he said, she said" going on but as I stated a few days ago then some clarification on what exactly constitutes "bullying" is required and more formal guidelines WRT to 'performance' need to be established (ie exactly how the issue was dealt with in the private sector). Then with more formalised procedures with a clear set of criteria the issue of 'low productivity', likely only from a few individuals, can be dealt with. The Times article alludes to the other area I mentioned a few days. Having believed they've scored a victory then some of the "bullies" who think they can "bully" out elected ministers will likely be drawn out in the open where (obviously using due process) they can be dealt with (via due process). IMO if a group of individuals act in concert with varying forms of attack on an individual (eg making stuff up, coercing others to join in an attack, etc) then they are "bullies" who have been engaging in "bullying" to get their way. So like Raab they should face the consequences of their actions. However, the most important thing is to use "Raabgate" as an opportunity for change. New procedures should benefit both elected ministers and unelected civil servants. Everyone should know exactly what the rules are and the rules should then be applied when needed. Folks can then get on with their jobs and productivity would likely improve. It's time for the Civil Service to be dragged into the modern era. I was reading that they have a few more targets in sight. Politicians of both stripes have been trying to drag the Civil Service into the "modern era " for decades. It has resisted and still does. Blunket's jibe that they are "permanent" and politicians aren't ,came to mind when they pulled their own out of Khartoum leaving ordinary brits to save themselves. Do you really believe the tory scapegoating of the civil service? Really? |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Apr 25, 2023 9:22:45 GMT
I was reading that they have a few more targets in sight. Politicians of both stripes have been trying to drag the Civil Service into the "modern era " for decades. It has resisted and still does. Blunket's jibe that they are "permanent" and politicians aren't ,came to mind when they pulled their own out of Khartoum leaving ordinary brits to save themselves. Which side? I assume you mean likes of Braverman (Home Office* having quite the history of 'low productivity' and H.Sec 'scalps' going back to at least* the last LAB govt (eg Blunkett) as well). However, some 'targets' are likely being considered from the other side as well. Given the low burden of proof used against Raab then "what goes around... come around".Long list of names in the attached from 2018 in 'CSW' (ie 'friendly press'). K.Clarke (H.Sec 1992-93) getting the earliest mention
No place like the Home Office: former top officials on the department’s unique challengeswww.civilserviceworld.com/in-depth/article/no-place-like-the-home-office-former-top-officials-on-the-departments-unique-challenges |
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Post by domjg on Apr 25, 2023 9:24:50 GMT
"Talk to the hand" ✋ is a bit 1990s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_to_the_handI find just ignoring time wasters easier myself, although that wouldn't work in a workplace where things need to get done. A quick ✋ perhaps still useful to stop people wittering on with unproductive nonsense and ensure participants focus on the task at hand. Something for my "fan club" to consider given it's a nice day today: Ooooh so you do see my posts. Stop lying to yourself....you're not ignoring anyone really are you. In Mr T I think I've rarely encountered someone who appears to so embody everything they rail against others for supposedly being. Self-awareness level: non-existent |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:24:51 GMT
Unfortunately I doubt he will as Sunak is weak,weak, weak Ah yes-Lord Kerslake. Former Civil Servant and "independent" crossbench peer..........who was criticised by Baroness D’Souza, a former Lord Speaker , for his relationship with the Labour party. She reminded Kerslake that crossbenchers are supposed to ‘remain politically unaffiliated’, and that he appeared to be a ‘committed’ Labour supporter. At the time he was registered as "adviser to Leader of the Labour Party on preparing for government". Corbyn's Labour Party. |
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Post by hireton on Apr 25, 2023 9:26:22 GMT
"It has resisted and still does. Blunket's jibe that they are "permanent" and politicians aren't ,came to mind when they pulled their own out of Khartoum leaving ordinary brits to save themselves"
What an ignorant and offensive comment. Decisions like that are taken by Ministers.
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Post by domjg on Apr 25, 2023 9:27:56 GMT
My phone was switched off at the time, as it usually is if I'm not actively using it. I would have expected to receive the message when I switched on, but that didn't happen. We were in Worcester when my wife's phone went off and two young men were nearby, one of whom said that his friend was German and was confused by the alarm. I said "It's a test of the system to warn us that Putin has launched the nukes" and then turned to the German and said "We used to have sirens against your lot" 🤣 Mercian, you remind me of this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNiTo_TbeQHe likes playing up to what he thinks our image of him is. However, if I'd been with a German friend that had been so addressed we'd have both told him to F off in no uncertain terms. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:28:41 GMT
I was reading that they have a few more targets in sight. Politicians of both stripes have been trying to drag the Civil Service into the "modern era " for decades. It has resisted and still does. Blunket's jibe that they are "permanent" and politicians aren't ,came to mind when they pulled their own out of Khartoum leaving ordinary brits to save themselves. Do you really believe the tory scapegoating of the civil service? Really? My guess is that the vast majority of civil servants keep their political affiliations under wraps. But I think it entirely possible that a small group of middle rankers with loc leanings decided- four years after the event-to get rid of Raab because he made life too difficult for them. In general I think there were credible reasons why Blair, Reed & Blunket said what they said about the CS. I dont think anything has changed since then. |
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 9:30:23 GMT
I was reading that they have a few more targets in sight. Politicians of both stripes have been trying to drag the Civil Service into the "modern era " for decades. It has resisted and still does. Blunket's jibe that they are "permanent" and politicians aren't ,came to mind when they pulled their own out of Khartoum leaving ordinary brits to save themselves. Which side? I assume you mean likes of Braverman (Home Office* having quite the history of 'low productivity' and H.Sec 'scalps' going back to at least* the last LAB govt (eg Blunkett) as well). However, some 'targets' are likely being considered from the other side as well. Given the low burden of proof used against Raab then "what goes around... come around".Long list of names in the attached from 2018 in 'CSW' (ie 'friendly press'). K.Clarke (H.Sec 1992-93) getting the earliest mention
No place like the Home Office: former top officials on the department’s unique challengeswww.civilserviceworld.com/in-depth/article/no-place-like-the-home-office-former-top-officials-on-the-departments-unique-challengesThe Home Office does have a history of failure and scandal but it was unwieldy and had too many responsibilities. It was therefore divided and Prisons, Probation and Courts became the Ministry of Justice. This has generally worked well since but of course with totally unsuitable ministers like Truss and Raab subsequently at the MOJ anything can happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:32:15 GMT
.......for the more dimwitted and gullible of Labour supporters. Pedant alert. I think you mean ABCON supporters. I do sometimes read oldnat 's posts for a glimpse into SNP-land but pretty sure he is not a LAB supporter oldnat said it is a fake. Dont think he can be accused of gullibility on this . |
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 9:34:51 GMT
Do you really believe the tory scapegoating of the civil service? Really? My guess is that the vast majority of civil servants keep their political affiliations under wraps. But I think it entirely possible that a small group of middle rankers with loc leanings decided- four years after the event-to get rid of Raab because he made life too difficult for them. In general I think there were credible reasons why Blair, Reed & Blunket said what they said about the CS. I dont think anything has changed since then. Reid and Blunkett were 'rogue' types Blair used as attack dogs 'to get things done' at particular times. Blair himself didn't like being held accountable by his cabinet and preferred 'sofa Govmt'. Your source material to justify your 'conspiracy' isn't strong colin . |
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Post by domjg on Apr 25, 2023 9:36:40 GMT
Do you really believe the tory scapegoating of the civil service? Really? My guess is that the vast majority of civil servants keep their political affiliations under wraps. But I think it entirely possible that a small group of middle rankers with loc leanings decided- four years after the event-to get rid of Raab because he made life too difficult for them. In general I think there were credible reasons why Blair, Reed & Blunket said what they said about the CS. I dont think anything has changed since then. You don't think the most likely explanation is that Raab is trying to put blame for this own failures onto others like a petulant, entitled child? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:37:04 GMT
My guess is that the vast majority of civil servants keep their political affiliations under wraps. But I think it entirely possible that a small group of middle rankers with loc leanings decided- four years after the event-to get rid of Raab because he made life too difficult for them. In general I think there were credible reasons why Blair, Reed & Blunket said what they said about the CS. I dont think anything has changed since then. Reid and Blunkett were 'rogue' types Blair used as attack dogs 'to get things done' at particular times. Blair himself didn't like being held accountable ny his cabinet and preferred 'sofa Govmt'. Your source material to justify your 'conspiracy' isn't strong colin . Ah yes-all disreputable conspiracy theorists trying to get things done. Who on earth did they think they were ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:41:20 GMT
My guess is that the vast majority of civil servants keep their political affiliations under wraps. But I think it entirely possible that a small group of middle rankers with loc leanings decided- four years after the event-to get rid of Raab because he made life too difficult for them. In general I think there were credible reasons why Blair, Reed & Blunket said what they said about the CS. I dont think anything has changed since then. You don't think the most likely explanation is that Raab is trying to put blame for this own failures onto others like a petulant, entitled child? I think there might well be a bit of that. Given the tone and balance of Tolley he clearly sees room for some kick back. Why do you think all Civil Servants are completely incapable of political bias, incompetence, and concerted efforts to get rid of a minister ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 9:43:13 GMT
Just watch this one. I don't think its a fake either. I can see now where Mr Poppy gets his 'business ' motivational ideas from....'What we are facing is a despotism of cissy Civil Servants', 'the wet wipes are taking over':- I believe she is one of the New Model Tories' leading lights. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 25, 2023 9:47:27 GMT
St Andrews Professor says Stone of Scone is a fake: 12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Froyal-family%2F2023%2F04%2F24%2Fstone-of-scone-row-st-andrews-kings-coronation-ian-bradleyApparently it is not only not from the Holy Land (surprise, surprise) but unlikely even to be the same one moved in 840 to Scone, the capital of the new united kingdom of Picts and Scots established by Kenneth MacAlpin. While I am not a Republican, I am not really bothered about there being a Coronation. It seems to me that if we disestablish the Church of England, as we should do in the 21st Century, then the essential rituals of the Coronation disappear (and the Stone of Scone can stay in Scotland). We should just have an oath-swearing ceremony for all future monarchs (televised, as for Charles III) on their accession. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Apr 25, 2023 9:48:50 GMT
Pedant alert. I think you mean ABCON supporters. I do sometimes read oldnat 's posts for a glimpse into SNP-land but pretty sure he is not a LAB supporter oldnat said it is a fake. Dont think he can be accused of gullibility on this . Ah yes. I hence offer a full retraction and my sincere apologies to oldnat for my 'early draft' that I will now delete. Given I'm not a black female from the LW of LAB then I hope my sincere apology is the end of the matter. If I was a white male from the RW of LAB then I wouldn't even need to give an apology but I prefer to keep consistent with my standards. |
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Post by domjg on Apr 25, 2023 9:49:32 GMT
You don't think the most likely explanation is that Raab is trying to put blame for this own failures onto others like a petulant, entitled child? I think there might well be a bit of that. Given the tone and balance of Tolley he clearly sees room for some kick back. Why do you think all Civil Servants are completely incapable of political bias, incompetence, and concerted efforts to get rid of a minister ? Because it didn't really seem to be a general issue until the tory party needed excuses for their multiple f* ups. And because, as far as I'm aware, the civil service has pretty high standards of recruitment and operation, far higher than party politicians are ever needed to prove I've absolutely no doubt. |
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