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Post by domjg on Apr 24, 2023 22:35:30 GMT
Just remember it isn't the fault of the poor souls staffing the polling station. They have no choice but to enforce the law, so don't give them a hard time about it. I won't, but I'll explain why I don't want to give ID. Not sure yet whether I'll show it after a couple of minutes or leave without voting. |
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Post by mercian on Apr 24, 2023 22:41:37 GMT
Could our xenophobic regime and our racist home Secretary be remotely trusted to assess asylum seekers properly. Rhetorical question of course they can't. "Hundreds of asylum seeker children are wrongly being treated as adults by the Home Office, according to data from dozens of local authorities. Responses from freedom of information requests showed that two-thirds of children – 867 out of 1,386 – deemed to be adults by the Home Office were later confirmed to be children." It would be helpful to see a link to that information. |
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Post by mercian on Apr 24, 2023 22:48:50 GMT
Minor incidents of discrimination against the traveller community can be seen on a daily basis. My son currently works around his degree opposite a traveller permanent site. It's in an industrial area and there are no other residential properties in the road at all. For those unfamiliar with Hemel Hempstead in the residential areas there are literally thousands of cars that are parked up on grass verges and pavements, provided these don't cause obstruction there is no action taken to prevent this. However on the grass verges opposite the caravan site where no others need to park and where no person or vehicle is obstructed the travellers vehicles and it's only their vehicles there, are ticketed often multiple times every day and are routinely towed away. Ironically they are parked outside of a multi story car park for staff at the business where my son works. There's absolutely no justification for this action but it's been going on daily for years. This kind of casual racism against a maligned community probably explains why many travellers think us gorgers are dicks. Gyppos (hope that's still an acceptable term) aren't liked because most if not all are criminals. A few years ago a group moved near to where my daughter used to live. The next day every car in the neighbourhood had it's tyres slashed. By an amazing coincidence the local car spares shop had a large stock of inner tyres. This being the Black Country, the locals took action and the travellers moved on, presumably having been paid by the car shop's owner. |
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Post by eor on Apr 24, 2023 22:52:21 GMT
Oh ffs
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Post by mercian on Apr 24, 2023 23:00:48 GMT
We could have built loads of houses the country is crying out for. That would help bring house prices down.
We could have paid doctors, nurses, teachers and other public sector workers a fair wage. That would mean you could actually SEE a GP.
We could have invested it in housing insulation schemes to help keep people's heating bills down. That would mean the poor would be better off.
We could have continued to subsidise renewable technologies to help develop that market. That would help the planet survive.
... Am I close? Or we could have given it to the Tories' mates, to augment their PPE payments? That would help, er, ...
Am I closer? No doubt some bright spark is going to reply with tax cuts. But then there's always one...
Being as it was the defence budget, we could have spent it on enough ammunition to actually fight a war and some tanks. So that we would have had this to give to the ukrainians who are fighting a war on our behalf. Its often the case military spending follows the last war, not the actual needs of the next one. We're at war more often than not. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_KingdomThere are different types of war though. Aircraft carriers could have been useful in the last Iraq war, though land bases were within range. If we have to get directly involved in Ukraine they'd be pretty handy too - maybe based around Turkey or Greece. |
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Post by mercian on Apr 24, 2023 23:11:36 GMT
So no, It was David Cameron's folly to believe he could run the UK as well as labour had, starting from a much worse situation so that he would have had to have done a lot better than labour to recover ground. As we all know he wholly failed. Let's not forget that Labour inherited a strong economy in 1997 and a key part of their platform was to maintain Tory economic plans for the next 2? years. (might have been one). And then by 2010 was it Liam Byrne who left a note at the treasury saying "There's no money left" or something? |
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Post by mercian on Apr 24, 2023 23:25:45 GMT
While, in domestic affairs, there are differences between the main parties in England, I see virtually none in terms of acceptance that the Empire is gone (though it shouldn't be forgotten). It isn't forgotten because we still seem to be held responsible for it for some reason. For instance why should we get involved in what is happening in Sudan? |
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Post by mercian on Apr 24, 2023 23:31:03 GMT
On further investigation I see that the phone alert would only be received by people whose android phones are running version 11 or higher. And updates automatically stop a year or two after purchase, presumably to build in obsolescence. But in this case building in safety from disturbing alarms for anyone with an older phone. I still see a discrepancy between government notices that a few phones didnt get the alarm and R4 this morning suggesting ten million. Plus at least one report their phone simply stopped operating. My phone was switched off at the time, as it usually is if I'm not actively using it. I would have expected to receive the message when I switched on, but that didn't happen. We were in Worcester when my wife's phone went off and two young men were nearby, one of whom said that his friend was German and was confused by the alarm. I said "It's a test of the system to warn us that Putin has launched the nukes" and then turned to the German and said "We used to have sirens against your lot" 🤣 |
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Post by oldnat on Apr 24, 2023 23:31:16 GMT
I commented to wb61 that the English language (particularly the version derived from Mercian) was "quirky". The language used by the modern day mercian embodies the attitudes to "others" that his 7th century ancestors considered normal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 23:54:38 GMT
Should have put more coomas in that last comment but as I am on my phone not laptop and have taken drink I am not sure or,perhaps, even capable, of amending it. Not sure lack of coomas detracted from your post. 😉 "Taken drink" is a wonderfully archaic description of finding oneself in a particular situation. I hope you won't mind if I co-opt it for my personal usage. |
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Post by Rafwan on Apr 25, 2023 5:38:20 GMT
Possibly taking a lead from the suggestion that certain people should disappear up a certain part of their anatomy … .
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Post by steve on Apr 25, 2023 5:48:32 GMT
mercian The source of my information about wrong labelling of children as adults by the home office is The authors of the report, the charities Helen Bamber Foundation, Humans for Rights Network and Asylum Aid who made FOI requests to 70 local authorities for the information. The source for your implication that most if not all " gypos " are criminals is presumably your own arse. There is no evidence to suggest that crime rates go up when Travellers move into an area. All communities have a minority of members who may commit crime, Gypsies and Travellers are no different from anybody else. More than three quarters of the traveller community now live in permanent sites or traditional housing as their transient life style conflicts with the fact that vast swathes of the UK is owned by a few ultra wealthy individuals and they now utilise the laws relating to trespass differently than was traditional, that left travellers using roadsides and business car parks where they came into contact with local authorities and police actively moving them on. This transient life style also related to issues with taxation , but there's no evidence that traveller small traders are inherently more or less honest with their tax returns than any other self employed trader in similar circumstances. With the exclusion of this element where their lifestyle is criminalised by design there is no evidence of significant excessive criminality. Given that I almost certainly know more about this than you having been a police officer and having friends and family from the settled traveller community you might like to rethink your comments.
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Post by steve on Apr 25, 2023 6:28:05 GMT
Technically it's a family business but the posting is essentially correct in identifying the nepotism at the centre of the regime.  |
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Post by steve on Apr 25, 2023 6:43:54 GMT
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Post by alec on Apr 25, 2023 6:47:56 GMT
Re photo ID; I wonder if anyone has thought through how anti-covid masking is going to work. The guidance says that masks have to be removed (otherwise what's the point of photo ID) but has their been any effort to make polling booths safe, especially for the vulnerable?
I suspect not, although there is the option for a postal vote - if people are aware of the issue and get organised. We're not voting this time, but I would refuse to take off my mask indoors, and instead require the staff to step outside to complete their checks, even though the risk level for a brief exposure are very minimal. It's about making a point, more than anything else.
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Post by Danny on Apr 25, 2023 6:54:06 GMT
Sometimes it's best to pool resources, and a couple of aircraft carriers helps the cause. The French think along the same lines..... Although you might view the carriers as a European effort, in terms of defence Europe is one big island, and the UK is one smaller island. Defence of same does not need carriers to launch planes from the sea, it needs planes based on land to attack approaching ships or planes. The carriers are offensive weapons designed to wage war at a distance from the UK/ Europe. They are essentially a statement we intend to engage in US offensive wars. Meanwhile the war which we do face is once again against Russia played out by proxy in Ukraine. And even in terms of just assisting them by sending ammunition and equipment, we have nothing like enough. The carriers are essentially useless for our defence. In two world wars what was found was the need for smaller warships to defend convoys. Capital ships of any sort were just targets needing to be defended by further swarms of small ships. Thats still true, and we do not have the small ships to do that either. The morning news talks about Russia surveying offshore targets around the Uk again. To defend them you need small ships, maybe planes. It would also have been helpful not to be building offshore wind turbines where they are handily accessible to a foreign power. Another example of conservatives undermining UK defence capacity. Turning a potential militarily advantageous dispersed power generation system form a military asset to a liability. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 6:59:08 GMT
Gyppos (hope that's still an acceptable term) aren't liked because most if not all are criminals. A few years ago a group moved near to where my daughter used to live. The next day every car in the neighbourhood had it's tyres slashed. By an amazing coincidence the local car spares shop had a large stock of inner tyres. This being the Black Country, the locals took action and the travellers moved on, presumably having been paid by the car shop's owner. Were they able to slash the tyres with the 'outer tyre' (if such a thing existed) unscathed? |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Apr 25, 2023 7:01:54 GMT
Still TBC what change swill occur but "Raabgate" continues.
Top civil servants ‘plotted to oust bully Dominic Raab’www.thetimes.co.uk/article/top-civil-servants-plotted-to-oust-bully-dominic-raab-ps8wlg77p
Dominic Raab row: Gen Z civil servants incapable of 'shutting up and taking direction', claims ex-officialinews.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-row-gen-z-civil-servants-incapable-shutting-up-taking-direction-2295373Obviously a bit of "he said, she said" going on but as I stated a few days ago then some clarification on what exactly constitutes "bullying" is required and more formal guidelines WRT to 'performance' need to be established (ie exactly how the issue was dealt with in the private sector). Then with more formalised procedures with a clear set of criteria the issue of 'low productivity', likely only from a few individuals, can be dealt with. The Times article alludes to the other area I mentioned a few days. Having believed they've scored a victory then some of the "bullies" who think they can "bully" out elected ministers will likely be drawn out in the open where (obviously using due process) they can be dealt with (via due process). IMO if a group of individuals act in concert with varying forms of attack on an individual (eg making stuff up, coercing others to join in an attack, etc) then they are "bullies" who have been engaging in "bullying" to get their way. So like Raab they should face the consequences of their actions. However, the most important thing is to use "Raabgate" as an opportunity for change. New procedures should benefit both elected ministers and unelected civil servants. Everyone should know exactly what the rules are and the rules should then be applied when needed. Folks can then get on with their jobs and productivity would likely improve. It's time for the Civil Service to be dragged into the modern era. |
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Post by Danny on Apr 25, 2023 7:06:08 GMT
Gyppos (hope that's still an acceptable term) aren't liked because most if not all are criminals. A few years ago a group moved near to where my daughter used to live. The next day every car in the neighbourhood had it's tyres slashed. By an amazing coincidence the local car spares shop had a large stock of inner tyres. This being the Black Country, the locals took action and the travellers moved on, presumably having been paid by the car shop's owner. So did the locals burn down the car shop? You seem to be saying the car shop was to blame for all that happened? In fact, if the car shop was prone to such business practices, surely its just as likely they didnt bother hiring anyone but did the tyre slashing themselves, confident the blame would be placed elsewhere? |
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Post by Danny on Apr 25, 2023 7:10:01 GMT
There are different types of war though. Aircraft carriers could have been useful in the last Iraq war, though land bases were within range. If we have to get directly involved in Ukraine they'd be pretty handy too - maybe based around Turkey or Greece. Russia had to withdraw its warships from Ukrainian waters because they were at high risk of being sunk. While our ships might have been safe in Turkey or Greece if they werent actually taking part in warfare, they would have been very high risk of being sunk otherwise. Far far better to base some planes on land. But we dont have planes for the carriers, and we dont have spare land based planes either. I suggest the real point is lack of planes. |
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Post by Danny on Apr 25, 2023 7:14:01 GMT
My phone was switched off at the time, as it usually is if I'm not actively using it. I would have expected to receive the message when I switched on, but that didn't happen. It isnt an ordinary message being sent but a special control command as part of the background interfacing between phone and towers. Apparently it was supposed to be transmitted continuously for half an hour or so and any phone switched on during that time would get the message and presumably thereafter ignore repeats. Its wholly local to the transmission tower which is ordered to send a command to any connected phone. |
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 7:50:04 GMT
I visited Wrexham my home town to see family over the weekend. Of course the town has been transformed recently and it was the icing on the cake on Sat night. Somehow I don't think the tory MP is likely to get a second term judging by this. I know it's not scientific polling but it boosts morale!
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Post by steve on Apr 25, 2023 7:56:23 GMT
Fascist replacement theory proponent Tucker Carlson's replacement on the fox " news" 8 pm slot was an individual called Brian Kilmeade , for those who don't know of Kilmeade he's a cipher for right wing bigotry of unusual stupidity, a cognition vacuum.
If anyone is expecting an improvement from Tucker's white victimhood insanity don't .
Kilmeade faced criticism after expressing support for the right-wing group English Defence League during an interview with their leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who also uses the name 'Tommy Robinson'. He finished the interview with the words "Tommy, we got your back and we'll definitely look to keep in touch, it's great what you're doing".
Another presumably on the benefits of racial purity
"We keep marrying other species and other ethnics"
On July 8, 2009, Kilmeade and two co-hosts were discussing a study that, based on research done in Finland and Sweden, showed people who stay married are less likely to develop Alzheimer's disease. Kilmeade, whose paternal grandfather was Irish, commented, "[In the United States] we keep marrying other species and other ethnics." Ignoring attempts by co-host Gretchen Carlson who is of Swedish descent to interrupt him, he added, "See, the problem is the Swedes have pure genes. Because they marry other Swedes... Finns marry other Finns, so they have a pure society. In America we marry everybody"
Fox has all the best people.
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 7:58:09 GMT
Just watch this one. I don't think its a fake either. I can see now where Mr Poppy gets his 'business ' motivational ideas from....'What we are facing is a despotism of cissy Civil Servants', 'the wet wipes are taking over':- |
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Post by alec on Apr 25, 2023 8:02:42 GMT
For those interested, I have just posted a paper on the covid thread with some interesting findings. Notably, they find the bivalent vaccines to have virtually no benefit at preventing infection with the XXB variants (infection only, not severity or death) and they also replicate findings from elsewhere that the more vaccine shots you get the greater your risk of infection. Interesting stuff, but complicated. Do please read before commenting.
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Post by oldnat on Apr 25, 2023 8:03:28 GMT
Just watch this one. I don't think its a fake either. I can see now where Mr Poppy gets his 'business ' motivational ideas from:- |
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Post by moby on Apr 25, 2023 8:06:44 GMT
Just watch this one. I don't think its a fake either. I can see now where Mr Poppy gets his 'business ' motivational ideas from:- Yes but it's very good though  |
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Post by wb61 on Apr 25, 2023 8:13:33 GMT
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Post by wb61 on Apr 25, 2023 8:17:50 GMT
Actually, completely wrong, it is fake as Rosie Holt is an actor/comedian
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Post by steve on Apr 25, 2023 8:23:39 GMT
Actually Rosie Holt made a rather more credible case than 19th century village idiot Jacob Rees Mogg who appeared in the unedited version.
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