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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2022 20:17:16 GMT
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 50% (-)
CON: 27% (-1)
LDEM: 9% (+1)
GRN: 4% (-)
via @techneuk, 23 - 24 Nov
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 26, 2022 20:27:19 GMT
First!
As always.
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2022 20:28:00 GMT
Swine.
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Post by johntel on Nov 26, 2022 20:31:59 GMT
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2022 20:37:17 GMT
Another thread ruined by ungentlemanly boasting and trolling I’ve done the last one on the last thread 👍👍 (for now). |
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Post by johntel on Nov 26, 2022 20:38:31 GMT
The River Mole
A silver snake, sun-baked
slithers through grass
fields, round swollen mounds
of Mickleham, curling past
the bottom of Box Hill,
alongside the winding A25 –
a tarmac imitation left behind
like shed, constricting skin.
The serpent wriggles free
for, whilst rain hits road
and – static – drowns, on water
it types out it’s soft quick
sound with tickling fingertips.
The river shivers – itches
and shimmies underground.
Lorna Dowell
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 26, 2022 20:40:40 GMT
Hammer Dave - I'm just a born winner. |
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Post by James E on Nov 26, 2022 20:44:20 GMT
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 21:07:38 GMT
Though the YouGov polling is 10 days old and "a week is a long time" etc. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 26, 2022 21:12:29 GMT
Farage's recent hints came after the polling dates for this I think. They may not make any difference at all, but if Reform UK do tick up a point or two it might be worth keeping an eye on.
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Post by James E on Nov 26, 2022 21:16:49 GMT
Though the YouGov polling is 10 days old and "a week is a long time" etc. I think that YouGov's 48/25 must be about 22-23 Nov, even though we don't know the dates at present. Their previous 47/26 was from fieldwork of 15-16 Nov and their normal pattern is to take one poll each week. |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 21:32:29 GMT
And now, for a topic seldom, if ever, discussed on UKPR2 
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 21:44:04 GMT
This rather reminds me of the SLab policy in 2011 on knife crime, which was to remove any mitigating factor (like walking home from fishing, with a knife in your pack) which allow police, fiscals and courts not to seek a mandatory jail sentence. (Hint : SLab majored on this, and lost more heavily than ever before).
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 22:05:25 GMT
oldnat - that is indeed a stupid policy proposal from Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 22:21:02 GMT
oldnat - that is indeed a stupid policy proposal from Labour. Does policy matter? I seem to remember Gyles Brandreth going round Guildford and finding out that everyone loved Jeremy Corbyn's policies, yet his party never did well there.
Fashion, personality, reputation, hope, fear, prejudice... they are probably what win elections.
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 26, 2022 22:24:58 GMT
oldnat - that is indeed a stupid policy proposal from Labour. Does policy matter? I seem to remember Gyles Brandreth going round Guildford and finding out that everyone loved Jeremy Corbyn's policies, yet his party never did well there.
Fashion, personality, reputation, hope, fear, prejudice... they are probably what win elections.
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 22:25:33 GMT
Very unsurprising news of the state of UK/Japan trade. Being in the EU was a substantial element in economic relations with Japan, and the post Brexit deal offered insufficient extras to offset the loss that was caused by leaving the EU.
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 22:33:48 GMT
oldnat - that is indeed a stupid policy proposal from Labour. Does policy matter? I seem to remember Gyles Brandreth going round Guildford and finding out that everyone loved Jeremy Corbyn's policies, yet his party never did well there.
Fashion, personality, reputation, hope, fear, prejudice... they are probably what win elections.
So, a "respectable" voter in an English constituency (where I presume this daft idea is meant to apply) but who buys some weed at the weekend (or whose kids do) is going to vote Labour so that they, or their kids, get "named and shamed", lose their jobs, or can't get one? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 22:42:56 GMT
Does policy matter? I seem to remember Gyles Brandreth going round Guildford and finding out that everyone loved Jeremy Corbyn's policies, yet his party never did well there.
Fashion, personality, reputation, hope, fear, prejudice... they are probably what win elections.
So, a "respectable" voter in an English constituency (where I presume this daft idea is meant to apply) but who buys some weed at the weekend (or whose kids do) is going to vote Labour so that they, or their kids, get "named and shamed", lose their jobs, or can't get one?The knife policy was indeed stupid, but while from a personal point of view I'd be up for anybody involved in buying or selling illegal drugs having harsher penalties, I can't seem to find any evidence of this story for Googling? All I can find is this, which appears to suggest the opposite: www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/11/19/softer-approach-drugs-backed-host-labour-frontbenchers/ |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 22:43:49 GMT
Does policy matter? I seem to remember Gyles Brandreth going round Guildford and finding out that everyone loved Jeremy Corbyn's policies, yet his party never did well there.
Fashion, personality, reputation, hope, fear, prejudice... they are probably what win elections.
Don't forget good looks too. They've carried me a long way in life. That's why I never went into politics. Showbiz for ugly people.
That you are constantly mobbed by people demanding to have sex with you, probably means that you could have become PM (if you weren't so exhausted). |
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Post by hireton on Nov 26, 2022 22:43:52 GMT
Starmer positioning Labour as a hard-line Brexit Party is interesting when public opinion as measured by polling seems to be going in the opposite direction:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 22:47:17 GMT
Starmer positioning Labour as a hard-line Brexit Party is interesting when public opinion as measured by polling seems to be going in the opposite direction: Appears to be winning him a landslide in the next election though.. 🤷 |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 22:47:42 GMT
That's what SLab thought in 2011. It was such a stupid policy that the electorate rejected it whole-heartedly. If a party is going to adopt a populist, hardline strategy to appeal to the most unthinking in the population, then they shouldn't be surprised if they are ridiculed by the others (who are more likely to vote).
So, a "respectable" voter in an English constituency (where I presume this daft idea is meant to apply) but who buys some weed at the weekend (or whose kids do) is going to vote Labour so that they, or their kids, get "named and shamed", lose their jobs, or can't get one? The knife policy was indeed stupid, but while from a personal point of view I'd be up for anybody involved in buying or selling illegal drugs having harsher penalties, I can't seem to find any evidence of this story for Googling? All I can find is this, which appears to suggest the opposite: www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/11/19/softer-approach-drugs-backed-host-labour-frontbenchers/
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Post by jib on Nov 26, 2022 22:52:46 GMT
Starmer positioning Labour as a hard-line Brexit Party is interesting when public opinion as measured by polling seems to be going in the opposite direction: Appears to be winning him a landslide in the next election though.. 🤷 Clearly the sweet spot has been hit? Or is it most people don't give an f**k anymore. Clearly best to move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 22:56:00 GMT
This links eventually to the original article in the Mirror, where Labour guy said they will "absolutely look at it. It’s important you do it with each locality because they understand what their needs are".
So forget about that, then. It's not even official Labour policy.
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 26, 2022 23:10:46 GMT
This rather reminds me of the SLab policy in 2011 on knife crime, which was to remove any mitigating factor (like walking home from fishing, with a knife in your pack) which allow police, fiscals and courts not to seek a mandatory jail sentence. (Hint : SLab majored on this, and lost more heavily than ever before). It would be interesting to know how many members of parliament - of all parties - would have to be named under that policy if it was based on buying illegal drugs rather than convictions. A hefty percentage I imagine. But it sounds like grandstanding for Daily Mail readers anyway. I doubt it would be found to be a 'legislative priority' if Labour got in power, just quietly forgotten, like many another manifesto pledge if it even made it that far. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 0:10:03 GMT
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Post by domjg on Nov 27, 2022 0:19:28 GMT
Appears to be winning him a landslide in the next election though.. 🤷 Clearly the sweet spot has been hit? Or is it most people don't give an f**k anymore. Clearly best to move on. It's clear from polling that people really do give a fuck. Indeed, best to move on to realigning with the single market once Labour are in power. This current Lab approach is not about where the public are but a temporary position to deny the Tory's a 'Labour would reverse brexit' attack line that would still work with some bears of little brain. It won't be needed for very long. |
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Post by domjg on Nov 27, 2022 0:25:02 GMT
This rather reminds me of the SLab policy in 2011 on knife crime, which was to remove any mitigating factor (like walking home from fishing, with a knife in your pack) which allow police, fiscals and courts not to seek a mandatory jail sentence. (Hint : SLab majored on this, and lost more heavily than ever before). This is never going to see the light of day |
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