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Post by mercian on Apr 23, 2023 23:19:27 GMT
So if you had a rich pal who offered you a free holiday I suppose you'd turn it down or insist on paying? 𤣠Oh, I didn't realise they were back again. Parliament takes so many breaks I lose touch. |
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Post by mercian on Apr 23, 2023 23:21:00 GMT
Good to see that Scots are helping to improve UK trade. 'You' being the UK? In your dreamworld Scottish independence may have happened, but in the real world it is still part of the UK. |
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 5:22:50 GMT
R4 news just reported Dianne Abbot was in trouble for saying jewish people have suffered prejudice, not racism.
The debate above suggests maybe what she actually wrote doesnt quite boil down to this, But as summarised by R4, I see she has a point. In nazi germany it wasnt what you looked like which would determine your treatment, but your official religious background. Clearly if you did look jewish, or behave in an identifiably jewish way by attending synagog, then it was easier to identify and label you, but it wasnt because of a visible race you got into trouble. identified jews were required to wear a star, presumably because they otherwise didnt look different to average germans.
The labour party reaction to Corbyn over alleged antisemitism was absurd because he plainly is not antisemitic. This to me placed the labour party itself in disrepute. Something peculiar alo happened to ken Livingstone. I see there is plenty of scope here for exactly the same thing to happen again. Labour is being painted as ridiculous by suspending Abbot. But there seems to be a pattern of left wing labour politicians being attacked as antisemitic when they arent? Useful trick no one is willing to call a lie?
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Post by steve on Apr 24, 2023 5:26:17 GMT
"So if you had a rich pal who offered you a free holiday I suppose you'd turn it down or insist on paying? "
Oldnat sort of beat me to it, but if I was a multi millionaire as Spaffer now is I'd pay for it myself rather than pocket another freebie and I wouldn't take it as a constituency mp when I was supposed to be in parliament working for my constituents.
It's obvious that Spaffer finds the notion of being a back bench mp tedious , fine non problem, stand down then.
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 5:33:28 GMT
R4 moved on to Credit Suisse. Two experts interviewed about recently relased data on the bank run CS suffered leading to its collapse. The first expert said the run was huge and no bank could have survived it. The second that the run was only 5% of its assets. Put those together and you might conclude no bank can withstand a run amounting to just 5% of its assets?
The first expert said CS had a long history of pretty much doing everything wrong. Its core 'swiss bank' deposit business was perfectly fine, but its wider investment bank was a basket case which kept picking losers. So not necessarily typical of any other. However she did suggest all countries have riskier banks. CS seems to have been suffering an even bigger run in the quarter before it failed than the one when it did, so actually we didnt get to know about the problem until it had already been happening for months.
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 5:35:30 GMT
Government cash available to schools to provide catch up tutoring being returned to government. The problem, schools must match some of the funding to qualify, and they cannot. What a clever trick to be seen to be doing something but actually do nothing?
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Post by neilj on Apr 24, 2023 6:02:13 GMT
@danny
'In nazi germany it wasnt what you looked like which would determine your treatment, but your official religious background. Clearly if you did look jewish, or behave in an identifiably jewish way by attending synagog, then it was easier to identify and label you, but it wasnt because of a visible race you got into trouble'
Lot to unpack there.
Firstly it didn't matter to the nazis if you practiced Judaism or not, if your parents were Jewish you were treated as Jewish. Indeed some genuine converts to Christianity were reclassified as Jews and sent to concentration camps
Secondly the whole nazi warped ideology was based on them being the master race. Nazi caricatures of Jewish people, even comparing then to rats reinforced that belief
The Nuremberg race laws codified their racial hierarchy in great detail
The nazis certainly believed they were discriminating on race and what is more they were proud if it
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 24, 2023 6:20:14 GMT
... EDIT - Having reread my post I can see how you might have misunderstood this sentence. That is partly because of the rule of impartiality set on civil servants and partly because any public criticism of politicians is likely to affect their future careers.I meant that criticism by civil servants of politicians is likely to affect the civil servant's career. I've never heard of a case where a civil servant has criticised a politician and it has affected the politician's career. Thanks for the clarification. I misinterpreted your statement because of course Raab's career has just been affected. Rightly - just to be clear. |
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 6:21:15 GMT
It's almost fun to watch the mental gymnastics some education leaders are having to go through to explain high absence levels in children after they agreed to let a novel virus rip in schools without any protections or mitigations - www.theguardian.com/education/2023/apr/23/rise-in-school-absences-since-covid-driven-by-anxiety-and-lack-of-support-say-english-councils... The initial excuse was that this was all down to catching up with the immunity debt caused by lockdowns, but as another term rolls by with record absences, a new excuse is needed. Cue mental health being wheeled out, cause by - of course - the pandemic response. They don't even mention the fact that there is a settled scientific consensus that one of the post infection impacts of covid is deterioration of mental health, with anxiety being the most common manifestation. So, so tiresome. yes it is indeed tiresome you keep re-posting the same things. This time a new newspaper link whereas before there were some government figures on school absences, I think. Last time the fine print explained there was no reason to think this had anything to do with covid, except that parents and kids had been persuaded by school closures there was no reason to attend schools, and so they just reported as ill to truant. This is the acceptable way to proceed because the school can then report it doesn have truancy, and doesnt have to chase the parents about it. Not forgetting that its highly likely the kids who want to truant will be very disruptive if they are forced to be in shool, so the schools are likely pleased to get rid of them. The rise in school leaving age from 16 made teachers' jobs harder because of the extra kids forced to attend. Who have no wish to cooperate with teachers. The recent plan to force them all to be learning mathematics, if it ever happens, would make this even worse. The Guardian article mentions 'off rolling', whereby schools class kids as being home educated, but this has been going on for years to get rid of kids who would spoil your statistical results as reported to government. Our family was encouraged to off roll a kid because of our repeated complaints about education being received: âSome schools have managed these pressures by practices to influence which students are admitted or practices designed to manage children out of the school, such as the inappropriate use of attendance codes, part-time timetables, informal exclusions, off-rolling, and inappropriate use of permanent exclusion,â the LGA said in its evidence." "The LGA said there were âincreasing numbers of children in the mainstream school system with additional needs that can cause barriers to school attendanceâ, including trauma, deprivation and poverty. Essex council said public health advice issued during the pandemic had âreconditionedâ attitudes in favour of keeping children off. âSome parents/families, who valued good school attendance prior to Covid, may now allow their children to remain at home with minor ailments which they would previously have considered invalid,â it said."
This is about the ongoing failings of the state education system. Exactly the same is happening in NHS hospitals deprived of money by the same government over the same period it has been in office. The government is seeking to run down both hospitals and schools, so there is absolutely nothing surprising about either untreted sick people on not educated kids.
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 24, 2023 6:22:53 GMT
I don't see the current Tory party as fully committed to liberal democracy and it is awash with dark money and influence from US far right sources. Remember the next Tory leader is likely to be Braverman or Badenoch. I thought it was supposed to be the Russians? Or maybe the Chinese? I think the Tories are a bit embarrassed by the Russian money now, but in any event there are strong links between the US far right and Putin anyway. They are fans of his fascistic ethno-nationalism and his troll farms have helped out with Trump's campaigns and Brexit. |
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Post by hireton on Apr 24, 2023 6:50:02 GMT
The Snowflake Monarchy:
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Post by domjg on Apr 24, 2023 6:53:40 GMT
Re victim blaming the civil service. In our org there is a list of behaviours to help managers identify low performance. Two of the key ones are arguing and giving excuses when confronted with challenging feedback and seeking to blame others for negative outcomes. Looks like Raab and in fact the entire govt fulfill that criteria.. Pedantry alert: Should be fulfil those criteria. Criteria being the plural of criterion of course. When I was at school any essay making such a mistake would automatically score 0. Fair enough! Written quickly on a train. |
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Post by hireton on Apr 24, 2023 6:55:24 GMT
National Socia...sorry...Conservatism on its way:
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Post by domjg on Apr 24, 2023 6:57:39 GMT
... EDIT - Having reread my post I can see how you might have misunderstood this sentence. That is partly because of the rule of impartiality set on civil servants and partly because any public criticism of politicians is likely to affect their future careers.I meant that criticism by civil servants of politicians is likely to affect the civil servant's  career. I've never heard of a case where a civil servant has criticised a politician and it has affected the politician's career. Thanks for the clarification. I misinterpreted your statement because of course Raab's career has just been affected. Nice use of the passive. He had a negative effect on his career and he should be a big boy and take responsibility. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Apr 24, 2023 7:13:12 GMT
I don't see the current Tory party as fully committed to liberal democracy and it is awash with dark money and influence from US far right sources. Remember the next Tory leader is likely to be Braverman or Badenoch. I thought it was supposed to be the Russians? Or maybe the Chinese? Starmer is turning LAB into another Tory Party:
"Labour MP Rosena Allin-Khan accepted ÂŁ20,000 in donations from property developer shamed over its failure to remove dangerous cladding"www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9870185/Labour-MP-accepted-20-000-donations-property-developer-shamed-cladding-removal.htmland since someone mentioned 'freebies' then Sir Keith Stalin has his nose in the trough: They're also receiving money from a billionaire supermarket baron and I note they've found yet another spending item for their 'proper windfall profit's tax' See: "It said a subsidy for the (food) sectors could be paid for via a fund for energy intensive industries that is supported by a âproper windfall tax on oil and gas giantsâ, meaning one without tax breaks for companies that invest in the UKâs domestic energy market"www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-cuts-business-rate-subsidised-energy-bills-b1076045.htmlGiven the issue of 'greedflation' in the food sector then would bungs* to the food sector be passed on to consumers? (Greedflation and 'cosy cartel' culture that uses 'rocket and feather' pricing has been covered before - very obvious in petrol/diesel pricing but quite a bit of evidence that the food sector is also profiteering from volatile commodity prices) LAB could (and IMO should) say they'd crack down on 'profiteering' ('greedflation') as that is a #nobrainer for a LoC party - but then under Starmer then LAB ae just another Tory Party and one of those is enough. * I would actually like to see 'bungs' to the broader 'agri-food' sector but not if that is simply lining the pockets of 'big business', especially not when it's clear they are paying for influence via donations and 'freebies' to Tory Plan A and Tory Plan B. |
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 7:13:14 GMT
Here, out of three phones, two went off. Interestingly though the one that didnt go off, also didnt have the menu options to switch off alerts. Is this some sort of software issue? anyone know why this is patchy and is it part of what was being tested? It's a feature of the network. Nothing to do with the software on your phone but the radio technology used to make mobiles work. You don't need to know the number on the phone, it just needs to be connected to your local mast. You therefore need a SIM card in the phone. If your phone has no SIM card but is connected to the Internet via wifi it won't get the alert. I read somewhere it only works on 4G or 5G. So if your network is not good enough for 4G and fails back to 3G it may not work.
R4 says 10 million phones didnt go off. In my case its a fully functioning phone connected to the network. However as i said, the menu option to switch off alerts doesnt exist. Which could imply the software within the phone to implement the alert doesnt exist either.
Its also possible to hack a phone by installing non manufacturer standard operating system. i doubt any of that would respond to an alert, and I also doubt government has any idea what proportion of phones are hacked. People do this to add functionality, or remove built in limits or functions they dont like.
As to network version, I remain confused whether a phone operating on LTE is a 4G phone. LTE seems to be explained as an extension of 3G technology which provides 4G functionality. But I remain unclear whether this means it will continue to operate under the 4G network when 3G is closed, as is happening now. Websites seem to suggest that it will, but maybe it counts as 3G in terms if these alerts? If it will continue to function, maybe powers that be dont realise there are many LTE phones in use on 4G and they have overlooked them.
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Post by barbara on Apr 24, 2023 7:15:34 GMT
... EDIT - Having reread my post I can see how you might have misunderstood this sentence. That is partly because of the rule of impartiality set on civil servants and partly because any public criticism of politicians is likely to affect their future careers.I meant that criticism by civil servants of politicians is likely to affect the civil servant's career. I've never heard of a case where a civil servant has criticised a politician and it has affected the politician's career. Thanks for the clarification. I misinterpreted your statement because of course Raab's career has just been affected. Except that 1. he wasn't summarily dismissed 2. Only after a 3 month independent inquiry 3. He was allowed to resign and then write an article for a national newspaper and go on national TV to trash the inquiry and attack the people he had found to have bullied. 4. Still keep his day job and salary as an MP I doubt a civil servant would have been allowed to do any of that. |
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 7:21:43 GMT
Firstly it didn't matter to the nazis if you practiced Judaism or not, if your parents were Jewish you were treated as Jewish. So really this was more a response to their nationality than their race? if it wasnt how they looked or what they did, then it was simply expelling illegal immigrants? (who by analogy to the current Uk situation now, actually had lawful rights to be there) Well yes Germans described themselves as the master race, but I dont exactly recall them describing jews as a race. All the evidence is that in physical terms many identified as jews were identical to others identified as Germans in good standing. So the only difference was an inherited nationality. Just as the Uk is doing now? |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Apr 24, 2023 7:23:32 GMT
More on the 'changes' that Raab's (temporary?) exit might well now bring in:
"Senior Tories call for Whitehall shake-up amid fears Dominic Raab probe will leave them âpowerlessâ over staff"inews.co.uk/news/politics/tories-whitehall-dominic-raab-probe-staff-2293008?colin and jimjam have mentioned the US approach before and I'm not sure that is the 'best' approach but the current situation of some unelected civil servants blocking/frustrating policies from a democratically elected government just because they don't personally like them/the policies, needs to be changed. Raab has created the opportunity for that change. If people have examples from other countries then be curious to see how they manage policy implementation. |
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 7:30:20 GMT
R4 reported a yougov poll showing youngsters are rather opposed to the monarchy. I wonder if this has anything to do with Johnson trying to use the monarchy to force through brexit against the wishes of parliament. And against the wishes of the young. The crown became political. And its loss of support would be BECAUSE it sided with the elected government and against the wishes of the people. The exact opposite outcome of what it has historically sought to do so as to remain popular. Equally of course, Netflix 'the crown', is a terrible indictment of the institution as both powerless within Britain and frankly declining in usefulness such as world tours to colonies since there arent many left. Plus of course wholly destructive of its members. I dont blame netflix for this, it isnt their fault we live in a communication age where there are no secrets and the impossible attempts to retain an image more like Henry VIII just become increasingly ridiculous even as they are seen as the way to pretend there is a rational purpose for monarchy. 'The crown' is in many a documentary recording of the decline of the UK, where we see initially the royal family travelling by royal yacht accompanied by warships. Moving to just the yacht. To borrowed yachts. From royal flight planes to passenger planes. Downgrading from charters to reserved cabins to just passengers. There is a post above arguing one of our two aircraft carriers is being used to scavenge spare parts for the other. Thats not a new practice, just new considering these ships have hardly entered service (though by now must be about 15 years old from start of building). |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Apr 24, 2023 7:37:46 GMT
More "'Dark money donations" funding LAB MPs:
Three top Labour MPs face call to return hundreds of thousands of pounds donated by single companynews.sky.com/story/three-top-labour-mps-face-calls-to-return-hundreds-of-thousands-of-pounds-donated-by-single-company-12783809"Kate Dove, Momentum co-chair, said: "It's no surprise to see Tory MPs dominating the Westminster Accounts list - everyone knows the Conservative Party is up to its neck in sleaze.
"What is shocking, however, is that Labour MPs are joining them in accepting dark money donations - even senior members of the shadow cabinet like Wes Streeting and Yvette Cooper."
I'm not keen on Trade Unions making donations either - although under Starmer-Streeting then it doesn't look the Trade Unions are getting a good return on their LAB party donations. IIRC some Trade Unions have already left LAB and others are considering it. After months of strikes with no support from LAB then I would expect Trade Union funds are pretty low and they'll need to consider if they get anything from their funding of Tory Plan B. |
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Post by barbara on Apr 24, 2023 7:48:10 GMT
I think that Raab's behaviour since his resignation makes the allegations of bullying all the more believable. The visibly aggressive and petulant way he has behaved when the inquiry didn't go his way, even to the extent of declaring that the whole civil service system needs a rethink tells me he's man completely capable of churlish, aggressive, undermining and intimidating behaviour when he doesn't get his own way. All the things the inquiry found he did.
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Post by domjg on Apr 24, 2023 7:59:41 GMT
National Socia...sorry...Conservatism on its way: Honestly, these people really have some hide. At some point it will be fairies are the way to post-brexit prosperity and we'll blame the civil service if it ain't so. It reminds me of my daughter when she was younger railing against the laws of physics. She would, for example, build a tower of bricks and then be angry with the world that if you tried to sit a dolly on top the whole thing would collapse.. She's long since grown out of that now of course, seems some people never do. I wonder if the Rocs here who supported people like Frost because he had the conservative label attached to him feel any shame about that? |
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Post by Danny on Apr 24, 2023 8:08:57 GMT
Honestly, these people really have some hide. At some point it will be fairies are the way to post-brexit prosperity and we'll blame the civil service if it ain't so. Yeah, but what you are missing is that sayin something unbelieveable loudly and often enough makes it believable. Brexit could have been prevented had labour seriously campaigned against it, for example. They never used this proportion you can swing simply by showing conviction for something. |
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Post by alurqa on Apr 24, 2023 8:22:22 GMT
Of course it wasn't mentioned officially. Politicians terrified of the 'gay' lobby, just as they are of the trans lobby now for some reason. And there was me thinking they are terrified of the pensioners, with their demands to not let anyone else own homes, and their perception that the country's full, so we can't let anyone else in. How dare these people use small dingies to get here. That's just not fair -- we. don't. want. them. |
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Post by steve on Apr 24, 2023 8:28:57 GMT
"This morning Sunak will seek to address this by launching Business Connect, which No 10 describes as âa new platform for businesses to engage with prime minister Rishi Sunakâs pro-growth, pro-enterprise governmentâ.
Needless to say Sunak didn't address the huge elephant in the room the destructive Brexit his party of brexitanian cultists have inflicted on us.
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Post by alurqa on Apr 24, 2023 8:32:12 GMT
"So if you had a rich pal who offered you a free holiday I suppose you'd turn it down or insist on paying? " Oldnat sort of beat me to it, but if I was a multi millionaire as Spaffer now is I'd pay for it myself rather than pocket another freebie and I wouldn't take it as a constituency mp when I was supposed to be in parliament working for my constituents. It's obvious that Spaffer finds the notion of being a back bench mp tedious , fine non problem, stand down then. What? And lose eighty-odd grand a year? When it comes to sponging off the system he's one of the sharpest knives in the box. |
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Post by pete on Apr 24, 2023 8:43:57 GMT
More on the 'changes' that Raab's (temporary?) exit might well now bring in:
"Senior Tories call for Whitehall shake-up amid fears Dominic Raab probe will leave them âpowerlessâ over staff"inews.co.uk/news/politics/tories-whitehall-dominic-raab-probe-staff-2293008?colin and jimjam have mentioned the US approach before and I'm not sure that is the 'best' approach but the current situation of some unelected civil servants blocking/frustrating policies from a democratically elected government just because they don't personally like them/the policies, needs to be changed. Raab has created the opportunity for that change. If people have examples from other countries then be curious to see how they manage policy implementation. We don't know if its anything to do with 'just because they don't personally like them/the policies,' it could just be they're not workable or breaking laws? |
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Post by alurqa on Apr 24, 2023 8:46:44 GMT
It's a feature of the network. Nothing to do with the software on your phone but the radio technology used to make mobiles work. You don't need to know the number on the phone, it just needs to be connected to your local mast. You therefore need a SIM card in the phone. If your phone has no SIM card but is connected to the Internet via wifi it won't get the alert. I read somewhere it only works on 4G or 5G. So if your network is not good enough for 4G and fails back to 3G it may not work.
R4 says 10 million phones didnt go off. In my case its a fully functioning phone connected to the network. However as i said, the menu option to switch off alerts doesnt exist. Which could imply the software within the phone to implement the alert doesnt exist either.
Its also possible to hack a phone by installing non manufacturer standard operating system. i doubt any of that would respond to an alert, and I also doubt government has any idea what proportion of phones are hacked. People do this to add functionality, or remove built in limits or functions they dont like.
As to network version, I remain confused whether a phone operating on LTE is a 4G phone. LTE seems to be explained as an extension of 3G technology which provides 4G functionality. But I remain unclear whether this means it will continue to operate under the 4G network when 3G is closed, as is happening now. Websites seem to suggest that it will, but maybe it counts as 3G in terms if these alerts? If it will continue to function, maybe powers that be dont realise there are many LTE phones in use on 4G and they have overlooked them.
This from the guys that know more than me: Re: Big Brother has another way to cock things up.
I am really annoyed about this system. Basically it's an app that was installed by stealth on all our phones at the order of our governments.
It's not "installed" by anyone. It's part of the cellular network protocols (4G, 5G), and on your phone by virtue of the phone being 4 or 5G compatible.
Apparently the UK one prevents any use of the phone until the alert has been acknowledged so it must have fairly high privileges. I am not able to uninstall it, disable it or change its access settings. I can only disable notifications but there's nothing stopping it from re-enabling them.
Again, network standards. You'd not expect to be able to "uninstall 4G" from your mobile phone, would you?
I was relieved when the buggy, insecure Covid apps were opt-in. Why the hell isn't this one too? I'm being spied on by Google & Samsung already but at least they're relatively competent. The UK government and its contractors have a well documented history of gross negligence with anything IT related.
Sigh, again, nothing to do with government or its contractors. It's all just part of the 4G / 5G standards (and 2G and 3G, UK is choosing not to bother with those though). And as for being "spied on", this thing doesn't even need your phone number (nor, so far as I'm aware, a SIM); it's a different part of the protocol stack, akin to the part that does emergency phone calls (which also don't need a SIM). If it doesn't work, it's your network provider that's screwed up...(My highlighting) So you can use the feature in your phone to turn off alerts -- do not disturb is a separate thing. Or you can power off your phone. The alert system is part of the 4G/5G protocol, and is implemented by the network provider. It doesn't need your phone number, it just sends the alert to any phone that is listening. A bit like the broadcast address in IP (TCP/IP), if you understand that. The fact that it didn't work for some suggests the network provider forgot to turn the functionality on. But you need to do the test to find out. Now if they do another test and it still doesn't work ...
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