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Post by steve on Mar 28, 2023 6:54:42 GMT
pjw1961As a serving police officer I was barred by law from being a member of any political party . On leaving one of my first actions as a newly minted Labour party member was to vote for Ed Miliband as party leader, subsequently I voted for Yvette Cooper as Leader but Faith shared your preference for Andy Burnham my (and Faith's) last actions as Labour party members was to vote for Owen Smith over serial loser and Brexit facilitator Corbyn. I do feel that U.K. Political and economic history would have significantly improved if any of our choices in 2015 and 16 had been successful.
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Post by Danny on Mar 28, 2023 7:01:28 GMT
As cases rise to their highest level so far this year, with around 1 in 30 infected, the government has abandoned the ONS infection survey. Most people are probably unaware that globally, this was seen as the gold standard of covid monitoring, and partner coutries can't quite believe it's being pulled. If partner countries looked upon this as the 'gold standard', that rather implies their own studies were not as good. Which further implies all their governments didnt think it was worth the cost. Doing a survey only makes sense of there is something useful you can do based upon the results. There isnt! What this does highlight however is how little monitoring of respiratory diseases really existed back in 2019. You have argued that covid could not have existed back then, because it would have been detected. But since it never did achieve the death toll feared for it but was rather closer to typical illness outcomes, no one would have noticed an outbreak in a relatively small place like hastings. Back then, and it seems in the future ongoing, we relied upon cases stacking up in hospitals to notice the start of a wave of some disease. But of course most covid cases never get that far, especially considering its two track evolution. The young spread it but dont get seriously ill, the isolated old dont really spread it or catch it because they dont have much contact with outsiders, but when they do they get it bad and only then does it trigger a response from authorities. |
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Post by Danny on Mar 28, 2023 7:03:57 GMT
This morning news of 17% food inflation. But at the same time a farmers representative said prices paid to UK farmers are overall falling!
Major contributor to the inflation is apparently rising price of sugar from brazil. (whatever happened to the Uk sugar beet industry?)
It seems difficult to reconcile news of Uk farmers going out of business even as general prices rise. However i can see how this might happen given supermarkets dominate Uk food distribution. Uk farmers likely do not have a system whereby they could export food and enjoy world market prices but can only realistically sell into the Uk market. So supermarkets constantly push down on prices they are willing to pay here, even as they pay more for imports.
This would also seem to make sense of the earlier item from Belgian tomato growers, who said they had plenty of tomatoes even as UK shops had empty shelves. it was just the UK wasnt willing to pay their price.
Such a policy can only in the end lead to UK farmers giving up, so we import more of the expensive food.
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Post by steve on Mar 28, 2023 7:19:03 GMT
Danny
In 2018/19 virtually no raw sugar was imported to the UK from brazil in 2021 it was 161,000 tonnes.
Meanwhile our imports from epa/eba countries under agreements arranged via the European union halved from around 400,000 to 200,000 tonnes a year.
I wonder what catastrophic error of judgement was implemented by the UK between 2018 and 2021 that led to such huge issues with supply.
I guess we'll never know!
UK home sugar beet production is controlled by a single company British Sugar beet production in the UK is lower now than it was 20 years ago and shrinking with the number of growers reduced by 70%.
Issues with seasonal agricultural workers ( I wonder why) have exacerbated the issues since 2020.
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Post by Danny on Mar 28, 2023 7:32:17 GMT
Governmentr has announced it intends to chuck afghan refugees out of hotels it is paying for and make them homeless. Then responsibility for housing will fall on local authorities. Who might or might not be able to help.
Not sure the intention is to leave them living on the streest, but perhaps to get them off the books as refugees in hotels and onto the books of general homeless lumped in with Uk citizens.
One of our local well recognised homeless recently died, leading to the laying of flowers on his favourite bench. I guess our local tory MP thought we needed some replacements.
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Post by steve on Mar 28, 2023 7:42:26 GMT
With the latest mass shooting in the U.S. interesting to look at the local gop congressman for the area of Tennessee where a female teen murdered 6 people including three children with a legally owned ar15 assault rifle. The video below shows Andy Ogles posing with his family for a Christmas card photo with four members of his family clutching assault rifles including " fun size" children's models and purple " for the ladies " versions. In addition to advocating death Ogles is currently being investigated for fraud of $25000 from a go fund me set up to finance children's funerals! Being shot dead is now the highest cause of death for children and teenagers in the USA above car accidents despite the fact that 14 year old are allowed to drive after a 20 minute driving test in a car park! youtu.be/dyl6VUPCuOg |
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Post by alec on Mar 28, 2023 7:51:02 GMT
Danny - "You have argued that covid could not have existed back then, because it would have been detected. But since it never did achieve the death toll feared for it but was rather closer to typical illness outcomes, no one would have noticed an outbreak in a relatively small place like hastings. Back then, and it seems in the future ongoing, we relied upon cases stacking up in hospitals to notice the start of a wave of some disease. But of course most covid cases never get that far, especially considering its two track evolution." This is a classic of your twisted and incredibly defective logic. Wrong on all levels. You start off from the assumption that there was an outbreak of covid that no one noticed because no one died. Quite why no one died then, but all of a sudden the outbreak started to kill people is quietly ignored. There is no explanation for this, and it is one of the central flaws in your reasoning. You then falsely claim that we only spot waves when we have cases in hospital. That is completely untrue, and demonstrates how little you understand about our monitoring system, and how little you have chosen to educate yourself these last three years, preferring the embarrassment of ignorance rather than the hard work of learning. In fact, we have multiple ways of gathering data for low grade respiratory symptoms that never require hospital treatment. Probably the best of these is the sentinel swabbing scheme, which collects swabs from formerly 200 GP surgeries from patients attending with symptoms. This was greatly expanded in the pandemic. That relies on those attending a GP surgery, but on top of that, we have the 111 data, which monitors all online and telephone contacts for 'Influenza-Like Illnesses' (ILIs) and provides a good real time monitoring tool with a good regional breakdown, which can be further interrogated to a postcode level. This is one of the reasons we know there was no mystery covid outbreak in Hastings. Beyond that, we also have the Google Internet Search data, where searches on topics such as 'flu', 'sore throat', 'fever' etc are constantly monitored, thus picking up health related activity that doesn't necessarily ever have to come into contact with the NHS system. So a multiple layered monitoring system, and nothing like just waiting for hospital cases and deaths. You then say that there isn't anything we can do about this, which is of course, nonsense. Apart from preparation within the NHS, we now have proven means to target preventative measures. But you end with the somewhat bizarre statement "The young spread it but dont get seriously ill, the isolated old dont really spread it or catch it because they dont have much contact with outsiders....". Apart from 160 dead children from covid, tens of thousands have been admitted to hospital, with many suffering prolonged long covid disabilities. And the idea that the elderly don't really catch it because they don't see anyone is just downright wacky. Have you forgotten how covid ripped through care homes in the first wave, and haven't you realised that as of the last ONS infection survey, the over 70s are by a large margin the most heavily infected group, with 1 in 20 infected, twice the national average? You live in a deeply disturbing world Danny boy. There is something badly wrong with the way you engage with fact, truth and data.
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Post by domjg on Mar 28, 2023 7:54:23 GMT
@isa The residents of rural Somerset may be a tad insular however I think they hqave up cave dwelling on a large scale a while before 1963, except in Shepton Mallet of course. And Wells, where fairly accurate rural social documentary 'Hot Fuzz' was filmed. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 28, 2023 7:58:48 GMT
Next stop the campaign to ensure the United Nations progresses into the League of Nations, then let's return Shetland to Norway Well I suppose those would go with Scotland wanting to be independent again. That has been covered before. Supporters of iScotland should also support the people of Shetland being able to choose their own future - or is that a case of 'liberal/progressive hypocrisy'? Shetland might perhaps choose to be a self-governing British Crown dependency as per Isle of Man. Sheltand's future, Shetland's choice. Although it turns out that Scotland's future will in fact be Westminster's choice as per the Supreme Court ruling so unless a future PM/UKGov permit a IndyRef2 (possibly as a 'Final Say' ref?) then we're stuck with each other. TBC if Yousaf wants to use that as a 'deflection' tactic from getting on with his day job. Whilst I'm mentioning Scotland then I note refugees don't want to be rehomed in Scotland: "..they do not want to move to particular areas and are holding out for "better ones". Properties that were understood to be turned down were in rural Scotland or Wales.."
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Post by alec on Mar 28, 2023 8:00:29 GMT
For those interested, I've just posted a comment on the covid thread on how covid cases appear to be affecting hospital bed availability after a bit of analysis I did yesterday. I found it quite surprising and interesting.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 28, 2023 8:09:54 GMT
We're all dooomed. www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxqvwkmTNy8I'm glad I live on a hill so I won't get flooded when the icecaps melt. It'll be a bit of a pain to have to fight off all those refugees from London though. You'll be OK. Snowflakes don't like actual snow - although your area is likely still preferable to Scotland  Most of East Anglia will be under water so the Kingdom of Wessex needs to prepare itself for a flood of permanent DFLs rather than the trickle of 2nd home types that they currently have to put up with. The Kingdom of Dumnonia and the Principality of Wales might adopt the Celtic approach once used by Meibion Glyndŵr to keep the DFL invasion out. Not that I'm encouraging that kind of thing of course! |
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Post by steve on Mar 28, 2023 8:18:48 GMT
@trevor
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 28, 2023 8:39:41 GMT
LAB still had a 19% lead in latest R&W so you'd expect LAB to lead on most issues but asked about 'characteristics' between the two leader then Rishi gets a bit more Blue on the board - notably "Can build a strong economy" given that is #1 issue / priority / mission.
PS Good Luck to Starmer today in the NEC vote. Being a 'strong leader' is important and he'll win more votes in marginal seats by ensuring Corbyn can not fight GE'24 under LAB flag, even it causes some internal issues and loses him a few votes in very safe LAB seats (maybe even one single seat: North Islington). Corbyn might have the decency to call a by-election once he's banned from ever becoming a LAB MP again - don't the 'Left' tend to go on about democratic mandates (or is that more 'liberal/progressive hypocrisy'?)
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Post by Rafwan on Mar 28, 2023 8:45:05 GMT
I don’t think there was any way of knowing. It relied on information from (totally unreliable!) CLP officers. I think you had to have a thousand members to register nationally, so everyone put that. There was no central collection of subs. But there was a really good system of collectors. Each ward had a team of collectors, maybe five or six, who would collect members’ subs every few weeks and would also hand deliver ward notices (and agendas). It was a great infrastructure to keep people involved and in touch, and a really good way of looking out for older members, who welcomed a chat. I am sure your assumption of ' having to have a thousand members' is incorrect. Many CLPs had far fewer than that , but were deemed to have 1,000 members subsequent to paying the affiliation fee. They were then able to cast votes at party conferences. Yes you are right. Sorry. The affiliation fee deemed 1000 members. The reality in most cases was much less. Probably me being a bit of an old fogey, though, but I do think the old collector system had a lot going for it. |
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Post by Rafwan on Mar 28, 2023 9:15:18 GMT
pjw1961 As a serving police officer I was barred by law from being a member of any political party . On leaving one of my first actions as a newly minted Labour party member was to vote for Ed Miliband as party leader, subsequently I voted for Yvette Cooper as Leader but Faith shared your preference for Andy Burnham my (and Faith's) last actions as Labour party members was to vote for Owen Smith over serial loser and Brexit facilitator Corbyn. I do feel that U.K. Political and economic history would have significantly improved if any of our choices in 2015 and 16 had been successful. I voted the same, but I am less certain than you about outcomes. Corbyn’s abiding success (or at least the 2017 election result) was torpedoing the dominance of the austerity agenda (see Boris’s “levelling up”). I am not sure Cooper/Smith could have achieved this. Nor do I see any hard evidence that Corbyn was a brexit facilitator. Certainly plenty of lies about this (e.g. Jo Swindon’s palpable falsehood to the BBC that he took a 2 week holiday in the middle of the campaign). I think that history would have greatly improved had key individuals directed their unremitting hatred of Corbyn towards the Tories instead. I imagine your deep antipathy to him is based of what you see as inadequacies in his security commitments. That is a different matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 9:22:46 GMT
25000 drowned in the Med in 9 years !!! This quote from your interesting euronews piece highlights a classic EU conundrum -who is responsible for this ?:- "According to the current regulation, “the responsibility for the control and surveillance of the external borders lies with the Member States” -- Frontex is only responsible for the “coordination” of national forces." According to Frontex its "role and responsibility" is to "control" eu external " border management" :- frontex.europa.eu/we-support/roles-responsibilities/#:~:text=Frontex's%20mission%20is%20to%20promote,of%20EU%2Dintegrated%20border%20management. This article explains why Frontex face a hopeless task on the western Med. route:- It explains succinctly why subsidies and externalised boders will continue to fail :- www.gisreportsonline.com/r/eu-africa-migration/"Nevertheless, migration push factors in Africa will remain and likely intensify over the next decades. The main reason is simple: economic growth and opportunities are not keeping pace with population growth. The rapid expansion of the global working-age population is shifting from Asia to Africa, and by 2050, more than half of the latter’s population will be under 25 years old. Income disparities between African and European countries will persist over the coming decades. Moreover, migration is costly and often not viable for the poorest." the solution proposed in the article is summarized with :- "The EU may be pressed to curb its protectionist instincts, reducing the regulatory hurdles that block African products from the European market." With regard to the onward passage to the Chanel of EU unregulated immigration, the nationalities which predominate in small boats are representative of the Western Balkan route rather than N. Africa :- www.politico.eu/article/crossings-eu-borders-highest-2016-frontex-report-migration/Whilst this is a land crossing it is no less fraught with tension :- ecre.org/balkan-route-commission-increases-support-to-western-balkans-amid-increase-in-violence-and-pushbacks/ |
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Post by alec on Mar 28, 2023 9:23:12 GMT
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Post by leftieliberal on Mar 28, 2023 9:28:36 GMT
I believe that until some point in the 1970s or 1980s individual Labour Party membership was notional . No CLP had fewer than 1,000 members - even if the real figure was - say - 250. At party conferences every CLP was deemed to have at least 1,000 members. I don’t think there was any way of knowing. It relied on information from (totally unreliable!) CLP officers. I think you had to have a thousand members to register nationally, so everyone put that. There was no central collection of subs. But there was a really good system of collectors. Each ward had a team of collectors, maybe five or six, who would collect members’ subs every few weeks and would also hand deliver ward notices (and agendas). It was a great infrastructure to keep people involved and in touch, and a really good way of looking out for older members, who welcomed a chat. Rather like the old Liberal Party before the merger. There was no central register of members and the system of local registration of membership was open to abuse. I know of one case where it happened locally and the local party chairman who took over the following year had to go to Liberal HQ to explain why they couldn't pay their contribution based on this fictitious membership. I got the story from him so I know it was true. A centralised membership register was one of the benefits that the SDP brought to the merged party; no doubt they were familiar with what happened in Labour Party CLPs and made sure they started off right. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 9:30:43 GMT
@isa The residents of rural Somerset may be a tad insular however I think they hqave up cave dwelling on a large scale a while before 1963, except in Shepton Mallet of course. And Wells, where fairly accurate rural social documentary 'Hot Fuzz' was filmed. Speaking as a Somerset resident, I'm not quite sure why the place is taking such flak. And whilst 'Hot Fuzz' was indeed largely filmed in Wells, it is actually set in the fictional town of Sandford, Gloucestershire. The film deliberately removes all views of Wells Cathedral as part of this premise. Here's what you missed. |
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Post by somerjohn on Mar 28, 2023 9:34:44 GMT
Steve: "In 2018/19 virtually no raw sugar was imported to the UK from brazil in 2021 it was 161,000 tonnes."Interesting that one of the companies keenest in its support of Leave in 2016 was Tate and Lyle (now US-owned). Its imports of raw cane sugar had been limited under EU rule, which had led to a boom in the UK sugarbeet industry. As you say, brexit allowed a pretty quick reversal of that policy: " Following the UK’s exit from the EU in January 2021, the UK government introduced a tariff free quota (ATQ) allowing the import of raw cane sugar into the UK. This ATQ allows up to 260,000 tonnes of raw cane sugar to be imported tariff free annually, on the provision it is refined into white sugar. The impact of the ATQ is an increase of imports of raw cane sugar from Brazil. In 2021 there was a 164,000 tonnes year on year increase in raw sugar imports from Brazil with it contributing 49% of all raw sugar imports that year." www.absugar.com/sugar-markets/uk-sugar-sectorAs rabid brexshitters like to trumpet: "Grow in Britain..." |
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Post by domjg on Mar 28, 2023 9:35:11 GMT
And Wells, where fairly accurate rural social documentary 'Hot Fuzz' was filmed. Speaking as a Somerset resident, I'm not quite sure why the place is taking such flak. And whilst 'Hot Fuzz' was indeed largely filmed in Wells, it is actually set in the fictional town of Sandford, Gloucestershire. The film deliberately removes all views of Wells Cathedral as part of this premise. Here's what you missed. Just joshing! I like Wells and that whole part of the world in fact, been there a few times and the cathedral is amazing. Taking a walk up Glastonbury tor for the view also another fun thing to do round there. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Mar 28, 2023 9:41:41 GMT
RAF I expect scientists have worked it out better, but as a teenager I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation that if the icecaps and glaciers melted completely, sea level would go up by about 170 feet. Of course a lot of information wasn't available back then and I only had an atlas to work from. I have checked and London does have places higher than that as you say. Hampstead Heath will get pretty crowded! I'm at 65 m ASL where I live on the north-western edge of London. I think almost all of Harrow is above the 52 m contour so we will be fine. (We'll have to fight off those immigrants from Central London, though and tell them to go to Bromley instead.  ) |
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Post by neilj on Mar 28, 2023 9:48:04 GMT
And Wells, where fairly accurate rural social documentary 'Hot Fuzz' was filmed. Speaking as a Somerset resident, I'm not quite sure why the place is taking such flak. And whilst 'Hot Fuzz' was indeed largely filmed in Wells, it is actually set in the fictional town of Sandford, Gloucestershire. The film deliberately removes all views of Wells Cathedral as part of this premise. Here's what you missed. Sandford was also a fictionalised town that used to be used for paper based police training exercises |
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Post by steve on Mar 28, 2023 9:53:19 GMT
leftieliberal At138m asl I look forward to being on the coast! The path from the old town to the beach that features in Ricky Gervais brilliant "after life" will then become a real thing.
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Post by Danny on Mar 28, 2023 9:55:35 GMT
You start off from the assumption that there was an outbreak of covid that no one noticed because no one died. Not at all, I know people died. I had it from a local care home worker that absolutely old people died. There was a bit of a wave of it. But its not unusual for old people in care homes to die of flu. And you will recall, in fact you insist upon it, no one was looking for covid in the Uk in 2019 because it couldnt have existed yet and didn't even have a name. Every year thousands of people die from flu like illnesses which are unidentifed and dont get identified as flu...very likely because they arent flu. Other corona viruses probably have always been responsible for some of them. But what you agree with seems to be there was no screening program at that time capable of detecting any sort of early outbreak. All the warning signals relied upon reporting an unusually high number of such deaths before anyone would become concerned. And if covid in hastings was largely confined by the total size of the town, and killed at its typical rate, it just wouldnt flag up on even a regional basis. Dont forget, the formal flu service deliberately excluded any reports of similar illness where testing for flu had come out negative. Not their problem. I have gone into this in detail a couple of times, and we have in the past debated the various mechanisms whereby an alarm might be triggered. Its odd you have forgotten those exchanges. Do you maybe not read my replies? A case in point. Even before covid precipitated a change to online GP care provided by the receptionist, who went to a GP because they hadsymptoms of flu? No one, unless it got really bad! You then need to work through the logic, and based on the fact most cases are always amongst the young who hardly ever get severely ill, then its easy to see how early covid would never even get reported. It will only get reported once severe cases arise, and thats only after it gets into the older population. Roughly a cutoff of pension age. Quite. So it was unexpanded in 2019. Regional breakdown, so thats every town in the country? Nope...thought not. That was my point, that there are indeed regional figures but if one town in a region has illness, then overall the region will be up a little but not significantly. This is all quite deliberate, the authorities had no interest in small outbreaks of anything unless they became at least bigger than the background fluctuations. Small outbreaks of respiratory illness of unknown cause are common in winter and unremarkable in themselves. So where is this data for winter 2019 at the postcode level? I've never seen any... Yes just like waiting for deaths. Every method has a threshold before it will react. No one was looking at the town level before covid. Government even disbanded the early warning group set up by labour. sure, we could all never leave our homes again, but thats ridiculous. There is nothing practical we can do which would make the final outcome better. There is nothing which would do more than slow spread, and ultimately that doesnt help at all. Its a true statement, barring some simplifications. So why do you find it bizarre? If the world had taken onboard that simple sentence at the outset we would have done much better. ONS said 26 children had died with a mention of covid on the death certificate as of August 21. That of course does not mean it was solely responsible, and under the terms requiring covid testing to be mentioned upon a death certificate during the epidemic, may even mean they had simply tested negative for covid. www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19casesinchildren .There is another study here which found no child mortality during the first wave. adc.bmj.com/content/107/1/14 .Fullfact suggest a figure of 50 to the end of 2021. fullfact.org/online/133-covid-deaths-children/ .There's a BBC report saying there was a rise in child abuse during lockdown www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55682745I have no doubt many children have been admitted to hospital with covid, and many have caught it there. But there is no substantiation you have ever produced for this claim of serious harm. when i say dont see people, obviously I mean outside of the group they live with. Absolutely once it entered a care home it was likely to affect everyone living there. And that is one reason why so many of the deaths were of people living in care homes (between 1/4 and 1/2 all the deaths in the first wave. The other reason is care homes are full of the already very sick) Nonetheless, older people have always had far fewer cases per thousand than youngsters (around x10) and the obvious reason why is because they dont go out much. And no doubt care homes were such a death trap compared to pensioners living in their own homes was because the care home needs staff visiting every day, and there will be as many more visits from relatives as the total of residents. By the time you calculate all that, you must be getting on for x10 to x100 more exposure risk for a care home resident than living in their own homes. nope...So have you a link? Do you mean I go and check stuff myself? And it turns out not to agree with the official line? and you think it bad i point out the official line is wrong? There was an interesting discussing on online services i heard recently, about what should be banned. It seems at some time they have adopted the standard that if anything disagrees with the official government line then it must be false and should be banned. Anyone spot the problem there? Its not as if we havnt seen proof government lied in its statements about covid and required its officers to lie similarly. In the particular example being debated, the online service had somewhat tied itself in knots with its own policy when government changed it official view, so it ended up with government contradicting government - so then which version to ban? |
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Post by thylacine on Mar 28, 2023 9:57:02 GMT
Unfortunately, as my new avatar pic attests , cats do have form with evil super villains. And liberals 🤔 |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 28, 2023 9:59:14 GMT
... the solution proposed in the article is summarized with :-
"The EU may be pressed to curb its protectionist instincts, reducing the regulatory hurdles that block African products from the European market."... Thank you for the links. It is currently a 'live issue' in UK (votes in HoC last night, etc) and #3 priority in most important issues (although it's not worthy of being a 'mission' for LAB). I'll repost your links and a summary of last night's HoC votes on the Immigration thread so they are easy to find for future reference. I would agree that we should help Africa help itself via trade and via building projects and tourism etc (eg building projects in Rwanda and 'Visit Rwanda'* who sponsor Arsenal). Africa is a beautiful continent with lots of natural resources, stunning scenery and wildlife, etc. However, our near neighbours prefer the 'stick' approach: "The bloc would use "as leverage all relevant EU policies, instruments and tools, including diplomacy, development, trade and visas, as well as legal migration," according to the final communique"www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/eu-leaders-harden-rhetoric-on-migrant-returns-but-divide-on-border-fences/* www.visitrwanda.com |
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Post by Danny on Mar 28, 2023 9:59:42 GMT
For those interested, I've just posted a comment on the covid thread on how covid cases appear to be affecting hospital bed availability after a bit of analysis I did yesterday. I found it quite surprising and interesting. You havnt commented on my analysis based on some figures you provided i think, that covid could have cost 3 million life years. Whereas austerity since 2010 cost 10 million life years. While covid interventions cost a trillion pounds, and austerity saved maybe 10-100bn? And thats before you discount your figures which assumed those dying from covid had the same life expectancy as the average person that age, which obviusoly they did not. |
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