alurqa
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Post by alurqa on Sept 4, 2022 14:29:15 GMT
@jimjam I've removed the word you apparently found egregious . However deliberately endangering the lives of the innocent disadvantaged and "alien" simply to get a favourable headline in the right wing press has massive similarities with the rise of fascism in the 1930's. Your equating a comment on a government policy as somehow implying anything more is quite bizarre given there's absolutely nothing to indicate from this regime that they are in any way staunch defenders of protecting minority groups, unless you consider Tory party doners as a minority group. Fully agree with this. Having policies that will lead to, at worst, either deaths or suicides, or at best starving children and hyperthermic poor simply because you don't want to be seen as 'soft' and want to make sure no one can hang the 'socialist' tag anywhere near you, and to pander to those pensioners -- round my way, at least -- who have simplistic unthinking racist views[1], is disgraceful.
That in no way is 'putting the country first.'
[1] By whom I mean those in the old Lancastrian mill towns who couldn't explain the difference between a Pakistani, an Indian or a Sikh -- they're all Muslims and therefore dangerous.
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Post by leftieliberal on Sept 4, 2022 15:10:36 GMT
Kantar do something similar by the way. Final comment, I am not buying those Peoples Poll for GB news either. I tend to use Redfield and Wilton for tracking purposes for two reasons: they are publishing more polls than anyone else and because their VI seems to move in line with two other pollsters: Savanta ComRes and YouGov on average. Although the house effects between the three pollsters are quite large, when I average over a year's polling the change from 2021 to 2022 (so far) is quite consistent. Opinium and Kantar are both way off the average shift of these three pollsters. I will wait until I see how well Peoples Poll predict the next General Election once the campaign starts (ditto TechneUK) before I put much weight on them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 15:12:24 GMT
colin - I don't think you should be quite so critical of somerjohn 's take on gas prices - he was well ahead of everyone on that, and the fundamental point - that the UK government has for a very long time (pre and post Ukraine invasion) failed to initiate any forms of protection against price shocks. Our levels of storage are woeful, and unlike Germany in particular, and the wider EU as a whole, the advice from the Conservatives is that energy savings are a matter for the individual, rather than a reason for a huge, coordinated national effort to pursue demand reduction wherever possible as a way to both defeat Putin and protect against higher prices. All governments have made failures here of one sort or another, but none have been quite so dogmatically inactive in the face of a raging storm as ours. I wasn't . It was his lack of even handedness I commented on. The whole of Europe as thrashing around trying to source imported LNG , and cut consumption of energy ahead of the winter. France seems the only country to have really planned ahead with their nuclear fleet. I don't think anyone knows what damage will be done to families and businesses this winter. And that is not restricted to UK. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Sept 4, 2022 15:34:11 GMT
Steve - please delete the first sentence in your recent post. Conflating what the current Home Secretary is doing, no matter how egregious you may see it, with Genocide of Jews, Romany and systematic eradication of Homosexuals and the disabled is inappropriate; and I would suggest Anti-Semitic and discriminatory towards the targets of Nazism I have mentioned and others as the equating downplays their sufferring. I don't for one moment believe it is deliberate by you but it is ill-considered at the very least. - restricting Hitler to the Holocaust and the rest is not a smaller error than the error by steve . It is very complicated (obviously not the genocide) - smaller letters and italics. The final solution (Holocaust) became policy only after the defeat under Moscow . The extermination of the disabled and banning people with the "wrong genes" were discussed in Parliament in Sweden (it went further there) and in the UK (genetism - there is a quietness about them). You might have missed and it was 800 years ago: www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(22)01355-0
Hitler's main policies before 1935 were helping competitiveness of German companies, cutting corporate tax, obstructing workers from forming independent trade unions, banning protests, banning any view that could be considered s offensive to the national reputation, etc.
End of complications. Now, Patel expressed Hindutva views translated to the English contexts a number of times. Adam Rutherford covers eugenics very well in his book "Control". It is worth mentioning that the USA was a hotbed of eugenics right up to the 1970s and the Germans (pre-Hitler) got their ideas from America. Alfred Ploetz is the key player in importing the ideas into Germany. |
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Post by somerjohn on Sept 4, 2022 15:37:43 GMT
Colin: " It was his lack of even handedness I commented on."
You know perfectly well, because my post was explicitly about the situation a year ago, and because I've since explicitly reiterated that in my reply to you, that comparisons with what other European countries are doing now, are beside the point I was discussing.
However, third time lucky so here it is again:
My September '21 post drew attention to the headlines being made in Spain by the increase in electricity prices following a 453% increase in gas prices. The story had no significant coverage in the UK at the time. I said that, one day, UK media would twig what was going on and it would become a big issue. And that if we took a bit more interest in what was going on in our neighbours, we would stand more chance of reacting in time to looming crises.
So, nothing at all to do with with how Germany or anyone else reacted to events in Ukraine six months later.
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 4, 2022 16:28:31 GMT
Boss man say new thread a coming.
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Post by Mark on Sept 4, 2022 16:44:31 GMT
*** New polling thread alert ***
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Post by domjg on Sept 4, 2022 19:09:00 GMT
@jimjam I've removed the word you apparently found egregious . However deliberately endangering the lives of the innocent disadvantaged and "alien" simply to get a favourable headline in the right wing press has massive similarities with the rise of fascism in the 1930's. Your equating a comment on a government policy as somehow implying anything more is quite bizarre given there's absolutely nothing to indicate from this regime that they are in any way staunch defenders of protecting minority groups, unless you consider Tory party doners as a minority group. For what it's worth I found jimjam's reaction way ott and oddly proprietorial. Mark's the adjudicator here. |
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Post by ladyvalerie on Sept 4, 2022 22:29:59 GMT
Recently I shelled out £1 for 3 month’s digital subscription to both the Times and Sunday Times
I thought there will be a lot to learn from this worthy tome. Read today’s Sunday Times
Totally uncritical analysis of Truss. What she and her team are planning. The amazing journey over many continents she has made to get where she is today. A columnist berating the misogyny she has suffered and Rob Liddle prattling on about the demise of the nuclear family. And stuff about Meghan and her vendetta against the Royals.
hmm won’t be renewing my subscription.
when I did sociology in the 70s, a lot of attention was given to the demise of the extended family. What I see in the retirement development where I live are lots of people caring for their grandchildren so both their parents can work full time.
The extended family is back in fashion. Things don’t stay the same. They change and sometimes go full circle.
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Post by RAF on Sept 4, 2022 22:50:10 GMT
Recently I shelled out £1 for 3 month’s digital subscription to both the Times and Sunday Times
I thought there will be a lot to learn from this worthy tome. Read today’s Sunday TimesTotally uncritical analysis of Truss. What she and her team are planning. The amazing journey over many continents she has made to get where she is today. A columnist berating the misogyny she has suffered and Rob Liddle prattling on about the demise of the nuclear family. And stuff about Meghan and her vendetta against the Royals.
hmm won’t be renewing my subscription.
when I did sociology in the 70s, a lot of attention was given to the demise of the extended family. What I see in the retirement development where I live are lots of people caring for their grandchildren so both their parents can work full time. The extended family is back in fashion. Things don’t stay the same. They change and sometimes go full circle. Imagine paying a pound for news content and still being ripped off! I'm not quite sure of the purpose of Rod Liddle. Someone must like him but I have yet to find anyone admit to it. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 5, 2022 6:26:06 GMT
colin - I don't think you should be quite so critical of somerjohn 's take on gas prices - he was well ahead of everyone on that, and the fundamental point - that the UK government has for a very long time (pre and post Ukraine invasion) failed to initiate any forms of protection against price shocks. Our levels of storage are woeful, and unlike Germany in particular, and the wider EU as a whole, the advice from the Conservatives is that energy savings are a matter for the individual, rather than a reason for a huge, coordinated national effort to pursue demand reduction wherever possible as a way to both defeat Putin and protect against higher prices. All governments have made failures here of one sort or another, but none have been quite so dogmatically inactive in the face of a raging storm as ours. I wasn't . It was his lack of even handedness I commented on. The whole of Europe as thrashing around trying to source imported LNG , and cut consumption of energy ahead of the winter. France seems the only country to have really planned ahead with their nuclear fleet. I don't think anyone knows what damage will be done to families and businesses this winter. And that is not restricted to UK. This morning news was speculating on new gas price rises today. Russia only produces 15% of the world's gas, and its unclear how much of that it is still selling. Europe was reported as having cut consumption by 15% in domestic context and more in commercial (because gas based ativities are now uneconomic so have stopped). So..Europe at least should be using sufficiently less gas as to offset Russia not supplying.
Unfortunately not quite that easy because Russia was disproportionately supplying europe because it is close, and Europe is stocking up as much as possible for winter. Not the Uk, of course, because we closed our storage facilities.
However, its clear the gas market is out of control and intervention is needed to force supply at lower prices. Germany is reported as intending to decouple energy prices from different sources to prevent eg wind getting the same massive prices as fossil fuels. They said they will tax windfall profits and put in place an automatic tax system on excess profits, with the revenus being used to subsidise other fuel sources. The UK must do the same. Truss likely to act?
what we are seeing is the logical consequence of deregulating markets and placing energy supply as a private monopoly. And its destroying western nations. But everryone needs to remember the rise in prices began six months before the russian war. Its root cause is the policy of decrabonisation, where nations set deadlines for discontinuing use of fossil fuels, but then left it to markets to find alternatives. That simply doesnt work. It certainly made mining companies cancel plans to develop new resources, but it didnt incentivise anyone to build all the necessary alternative energy supply.
And then two years of lockdown further suppressed demand temporarily, and made new developments harder to do. So at the end, there was already a built in shortage. Plus the longer term trend is probably for higher demand for gas because of the medium term switch from coal to gas, which cuts CO2 emissions per unit energy, and has been incentivised. We encouraged more people to use gas while discouraging development of new supplies. Duh!
And all of that squarely during the current conservative 12 year term.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Sept 5, 2022 8:41:47 GMT
Recently I shelled out £1 for 3 month’s digital subscription to both the Times and Sunday Times
I thought there will be a lot to learn from this worthy tome. Read today’s Sunday TimesTotally uncritical analysis of Truss. What she and her team are planning. The amazing journey over many continents she has made to get where she is today. A columnist berating the misogyny she has suffered and Rob Liddle prattling on about the demise of the nuclear family. And stuff about Meghan and her vendetta against the Royals.
hmm won’t be renewing my subscription.
when I did sociology in the 70s, a lot of attention was given to the demise of the extended family. What I see in the retirement development where I live are lots of people caring for their grandchildren so both their parents can work full time. The extended family is back in fashion. Things don’t stay the same. They change and sometimes go full circle. Imagine paying a pound for news content and still being ripped off!. Depends what you’re buying it for. If you’re expecting unbiased news content then yeah, might be disappointing. If you want to know more about the particular biases, instead of just getting the Guardian bias, then that’s something else. (The Guardian was very disappointing back when they were backing austerity but few complaints from some. Few complaints when they were trashing Labour under Corbyn. It was disappointing despite being free). And each paper tends to do more of a particular thing outside politics. Times might have more book reviews, more classical Music reviews etc., you can compare film reviews in Guardian and Times etc. |
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