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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 10:30:15 GMT
Colin, I was never impressed by Lord King who did not tighten monetary policy (higher interest rates) from 2003-2007. He then later claimed Labour spent too much but his inaction suggests he did not think so at the time. Sadly, if think he allowed his political affiliations to lend his support to the volte farce Osborne and Cameron made after the financial crash. Actually I agree jimjamAnd Balls' "light touch" so called regulation of the cash cow that was the London Financial Services Industry. 2007 showed how full of holes that was as Fred the Shred et al screamed for help. For far too long , imo, Central Bankers have been creating the illusion of economic growth by facilitating ever more debt-massive chunks of it sitting as an "asset" on their own balance sheets. Finance Ministers have forgotten what they are supposed to do -and how to do it. I sometimes wonder when this whole pack of cards is going to collapse . |
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Post by robbiealive on May 18, 2022 10:40:00 GMT
I was about to make the same remark as Crossbar. The site is now getting excited about false Twitter squalls. A Wells, to protect himself, discouraged this stuff n i think he was right. Let us at least wait until news is definite. If you were a real student of UKPR2 you would know that. the thing s A Wells discouraged are the things they like here. The thing i like about this site is you can drop in when you ve got nothing better to do. I prefer this board. I frequently commented on the previous one that the lack of female posters was a grave weakness. I think Lulu was being pleasantly jocular & friendly & you need to reply to her in kind. Save the rough stuff for others. The Mosley comment was a bit over the top. He of course started as a Labour minister & according to Skidelsky was the only Labour politician who had a clue how to respond to the '29 crisis which fell on their watch. Reflationary policies, public works etc. Unfortunately the Chancellor, Snowden was a rigourous balance-the-budget type. I was always interested whn my mother who lived in London in WW2 reflected the popular opinion of her time. She shared the anger when Mosely was released from Hollaway in '44. He was of course v rich and spent his time in exile with his Mitford wife always expecting to be called to save his country. "He sat by a telephone that never rang." |
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Post by shevii on May 18, 2022 10:49:30 GMT
Royal family isn't much of an issue to me. I can't see that our way of life changes in any respect were they to be abolished so mostly harmless.
The only thing that does get me is the double standards- when my mate Dave signed on as not fit to work and they got a video of him at the races a couple of days later the DWP were all over his case but when the Queen does it there's no sanction at all.
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Post by domjg on May 18, 2022 10:53:26 GMT
If you were a real student of UKPR2 you would know that. the thing s A Wells discouraged are the things they like here. The thing i like about this site is you can drop in when you ve got nothing better to do. I prefer this board. I frequently commented on the previous one that the lack of female posters was a grave weakness. I think Lulu was being pleasantly jocular & friendly & you need to reply to her in kind. Save the rough stuff for others. The Mosley comment was a bit over the top. He of course started as a Labour minister & according to Skidelsky was the only Labour politician who had a clue how to respond to the '29 crisis which fell on their watch. Reflationary policies, public works etc. Unfortunately the Chancellor, Snowden was a rigourous balance-the-budget type. I was always interested whn my mother who lived in London in WW2 reflected the popular opinion of her time. She shared the anger when Mosely was released from Hollaway in '44. He was of course v rich and spent his time in exile with his Mitford wife always expecting to be called to save his country. "He sat by a telephone that never rang." Fair enough, mentioning Mosley was over the top (I hadn't expected it to be taken quite so seriously..). I just wanted to convey feeling suddenly bombarded by what for me are nationalistic symbols, giving me the fleeting feeling that a torch carrying march was about to stomp round the corner. |
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Post by bardin1 on May 18, 2022 10:56:32 GMT
The thing i like about this site is you can drop in when you ve got nothing better to do. I prefer this board. I frequently commented on the previous one that the lack of female posters was a grave weakness. I think Lulu was being pleasantly jocular & friendly & you need to reply to her in kind. Save the rough stuff for others. The Mosley comment was a bit over the top. He of course started as a Labour minister & according to Skidelsky was the only Labour politician who had a clue how to respond to the '29 crisis which fell on their watch. Reflationary policies, public works etc. Unfortunately the Chancellor, Snowden was a rigourous balance-the-budget type. I was always interested whn my mother who lived in London in WW2 reflected the popular opinion of her time. She shared the anger when Mosely was released from Hollaway in '44. He was of course v rich and spent his time in exile with his Mitford wife always expecting to be called to save his country. "He sat by a telephone that never rang." Fair enough, mentioning Mosley was over the top (I hadn't expected it to be taken quite so seriously..). I just wanted to convey feeling suddenly bombarded by what for me are nationalistic symbols, giving me the fleeting feeling that a torch carrying march was about to stomp round the corner. You're safe The mobs can't afford the oil for the torches anymore |
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Post by alurqa on May 18, 2022 11:03:32 GMT
Apart from being embarrassed about the Black Thursday vote (see what I did there) it was a fantastic trip meeting wonderful people, with my group the nationalities included were Polish, Latvian, Italian, Romanian, Portuguese and Spanish. Yesterday I went for a walk on the Rhein and met a man who told me (auf Deutsch) that he spoke Luxembourgish. I've never come across anyone that spoke that before. He said his mother was from Luxembourg and his father Deutsch. Alas I have to return to the UK in a couple of weeks because I've nearly run out of my 90 day allocation. Bloody Black Thurdsay. :-( |
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Post by thylacine on May 18, 2022 11:14:33 GMT
I've been watching the brilliant Derry Girls and just finished series 2. The last episode featured Clinton's visit to NI. Let's hope Boris is not about to destroy another generation of NI. Youth. He really doesn't give a damn! Does he?!
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Post by pete on May 18, 2022 11:16:25 GMT
Just how corrupt are the Tory party and right-wing press who brush over this?
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Post by alurqa on May 18, 2022 11:21:52 GMT
Schleswig-Holstein proves that the actual answer to the Schleswig-Holstein question, and by induction most other 'ethnic territorial disputes', is to ask the people who live there what they want to do. So successful with Schleswig-Holstein that people forgot what the question was in the first place. Well there seem to be plans afoot to give citizens of NI a future vote in the EP:
www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/belfast-council-supports-calls-ni-23970440Academics at City Hall point to Turkish Cypriot modelBelfast City Council is supporting a call for Northern Ireland residents to regain their vote in future European Union Parliamentary Elections, post-Brexit.
A knife-edge vote at the council’s Climate and Resilience Committee saw a SDLP proposal pass calling on the British and Irish governments, as well as the European Commission, to allow Northern Ireland a seat at the European parliament despite the UK no longer being part of the EU.
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Post by graham on May 18, 2022 11:31:48 GMT
Inflation rises to 9% the highest level for 40 years and likely to rise further RPI inflation is now 11% - higher than Thatcher inherited in May 1979! |
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Post by graham on May 18, 2022 11:39:26 GMT
If you were a real student of UKPR2 you would know that. the thing s A Wells discouraged are the things they like here. The thing i like about this site is you can drop in when you ve got nothing better to do. I prefer this board. I frequently commented on the previous one that the lack of female posters was a grave weakness. I think Lulu was being pleasantly jocular & friendly & you need to reply to her in kind. Save the rough stuff for others. The Mosley comment was a bit over the top. He of course started as a Labour minister & according to Skidelsky was the only Labour politician who had a clue how to respond to the '29 crisis which fell on their watch. Reflationary policies, public works etc. Unfortunately the Chancellor, Snowden was a rigourous balance-the-budget type. I was always interested whn my mother who lived in London in WW2 reflected the popular opinion of her time. She shared the anger when Mosely was released from Hollaway in '44. He was of course v rich and spent his time in exile with his Mitford wife always expecting to be called to save his country. "He sat by a telephone that never rang." Mosley actually started as a Tory MP - became Independent then joined Labour. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 11:58:25 GMT
Just how corrupt are the Tory party and right-wing press who brush over this? It's good to see the Tory party using the threat of legal action to avoid scrutiny. That Russian money buys some good lawyers. |
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Post by domjg on May 18, 2022 12:06:18 GMT
Apart from being embarrassed about the Black Thursday vote (see what I did there) it was a fantastic trip meeting wonderful people, with my group the nationalities included were Polish, Latvian, Italian, Romanian, Portuguese and Spanish. Yesterday I went for a walk on the Rhein and met a man who told me (auf Deutsch) that he spoke Luxembourgish. I've never come across anyone that spoke that before. He said his mother was from Luxembourg and his father Deutsch. Alas I have to return to the UK in a couple of weeks because I've nearly run out of my 90 day allocation. Bloody Black Thurdsay. :-( Luxembourgish is more or less the same as the German spoken dialect of the bordering Mosel region around Trier but just codified as a standard language for a state. For the basics of lesser known languages (and well known languages) I recommend this guy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuGp72pQdKY |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 12:18:11 GMT
If you were a real student of UKPR2 you would know that. the thing s A Wells discouraged are the things they like here. The thing i like about this site is you can drop in when you ve got nothing better to do. I prefer this board. I frequently commented on the previous one that the lack of female posters was a grave weakness. I think Lulu was being pleasantly jocular & friendly & you need to reply to her in kind. Save the rough stuff for others. The Mosley comment was a bit over the top. He of course started as a Labour minister & according to Skidelsky was the only Labour politician who had a clue how to respond to the '29 crisis which fell on their watch. Reflationary policies, public works etc. Unfortunately the Chancellor, Snowden was a rigourous balance-the-budget type. I was always interested whn my mother who lived in London in WW2 reflected the popular opinion of her time. She shared the anger when Mosely was released from Hollaway in '44. He was of course v rich and spent his time in exile with his Mitford wife always expecting to be called to save his country. "He sat by a telephone that never rang." I did reply in kind to lululemonmustdobetter . Copious use of smiley things was intended to signal such. A segway into thoughts about "Socialism" and "Heart" were prompted by her jocular jousts and I thought they would appeal to her keen interest in political history and perhaps prompt her own thoughts. Actually , what I notice here sometimes, is a laser like interest in my ( occasionally) sarcastic responses , but zero interest in the posts I was responding to.. I have thought about it a lot and conclude that it is a condition first identified in one Admiral Lord Nelson. The Mosely comment was one such. The Daily Mail thing is interesting too-it seems to be thought of as an amalgam of Völkischer Beobachter and the Beano. Anyway-Put Out More Flags, plastic regalia and cardboard plates in honour of Her Maj-for those so inclined |
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Post by domjg on May 18, 2022 12:23:20 GMT
colin "an amalgam of Völkischer Beobachter and the Beano" - Oh no, I wouldn't agree with that. I'd say more like an amalgam of 'Der Sturmer' and the Beano  "Actually , what I notice here sometimes, is a laser like interest in my ( occasionally) sarcastic responses , but zero interest in the posts I was responding to.." - Perhaps that's because human beings don't tend to like sarcastic, patronising responses so that tends to overshadow the message behind the sarcasm.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 12:45:16 GMT
The thing i like about this site is you can drop in when you ve got nothing better to do. I prefer this board. I frequently commented on the previous one that the lack of female posters was a grave weakness. I think Lulu was being pleasantly jocular & friendly & you need to reply to her in kind. Save the rough stuff for others. The Mosley comment was a bit over the top. He of course started as a Labour minister & according to Skidelsky was the only Labour politician who had a clue how to respond to the '29 crisis which fell on their watch. Reflationary policies, public works etc. Unfortunately the Chancellor, Snowden was a rigourous balance-the-budget type. I was always interested whn my mother who lived in London in WW2 reflected the popular opinion of her time. She shared the anger when Mosely was released from Hollaway in '44. He was of course v rich and spent his time in exile with his Mitford wife always expecting to be called to save his country. "He sat by a telephone that never rang." I did reply in kind to lululemonmustdobetter . Copious use of smiley things was intended to signal such. A segway into thoughts about "Socialism" and "Heart" were prompted by her jocular jousts and I thought they would appeal to her keen interest in political history and perhaps prompt her own thoughts. Actually , what I notice here sometimes, is a laser like interest in my ( occasionally) sarcastic responses , but zero interest in the posts I was responding to.. I have thought about it a lot and conclude that it is a condition first identified in one Admiral Lord Nelson. The Mosely comment was one such. The Daily Mail thing is interesting too-it seems to be thought of as an amalgam of Völkischer Beobachter and the Beano. Anyway-Put Out More Flags, plastic regalia and cardboard plates in honour of Her Maj-for those so inclined A good street party depends upon the company, maybe the music and often the booze too. Lizzy 2 is almost irrelevant. Can't see me joining in any toasts or national anthems, but might tuck in to some grub and gin. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 12:49:34 GMT
colin "an amalgam of Völkischer Beobachter and the Beano" - Oh no, I wouldn't agree with that. I'd say more like an amalgam of 'Der Sturmer' and the Beano "Actually , what I notice here sometimes, is a laser like interest in my ( occasionally) sarcastic responses , but zero interest in the posts I was responding to.." - Perhaps that's because human beings don't tend to like sarcastic, patronising responses so that tends to overshadow the message behind the sarcasm. I did consider "Der Sturmer" but liked the sound of the other one  Film of Mosely always made me laugh. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 12:52:43 GMT
I did reply in kind to lululemonmustdobetter . Copious use of smiley things was intended to signal such. A segway into thoughts about "Socialism" and "Heart" were prompted by her jocular jousts and I thought they would appeal to her keen interest in political history and perhaps prompt her own thoughts. Actually , what I notice here sometimes, is a laser like interest in my ( occasionally) sarcastic responses , but zero interest in the posts I was responding to.. I have thought about it a lot and conclude that it is a condition first identified in one Admiral Lord Nelson. The Mosely comment was one such. The Daily Mail thing is interesting too-it seems to be thought of as an amalgam of Völkischer Beobachter and the Beano. Anyway-Put Out More Flags, plastic regalia and cardboard plates in honour of Her Maj-for those so inclined A good street party depends upon the company, maybe the music and often the booze too. Lizzy 2 is almost irrelevant. Can't see me joining in any toasts or national anthems, but might tuck in to some grub and gin. Nor me ( us)-the PC is putting something on in the village. We will head for the sea front I think. Never thought I could be as po faced as you nickp  |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 12:55:41 GMT
Never thought I could be as po faced as you nickp  Takes practice. You're getting there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 12:57:07 GMT
Never thought I could be as po faced as you nickp Takes practice. You're getting there. |
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Post by domjg on May 18, 2022 13:00:56 GMT
colin "an amalgam of Völkischer Beobachter and the Beano" - Oh no, I wouldn't agree with that. I'd say more like an amalgam of 'Der Sturmer' and the Beano "Actually , what I notice here sometimes, is a laser like interest in my ( occasionally) sarcastic responses , but zero interest in the posts I was responding to.." - Perhaps that's because human beings don't tend to like sarcastic, patronising responses so that tends to overshadow the message behind the sarcasm. I did consider "Der Sturmer" but liked the sound of the other one Film of Mosely always made me laugh. Iirc from A level history (we spent a whole year studying nothing but Nazism, was a bit draining) despite not a word of truth being printed in either of them the Völkischer Beobachter was supposedly aimed at your more upmarket consumer of nazi propaganda whereas Der Sturmer was the 'rag'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 13:05:10 GMT
I did consider "Der Sturmer" but liked the sound of the other one Film of Mosely always made me laugh. Iirc from A level history (we spent a whole year studying nothing but Nazism, was a bit draining) despite not a word of truth being printed in either of them the Völkischer Beobachter was supposedly aimed at your more upmarket consumer of nazi propaganda whereas Der Sturmer was the 'rag'. Thanks -so I got the Daily Telegraph & The Daily Mail mixed up then. |
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Post by domjg on May 18, 2022 13:10:35 GMT
Iirc from A level history (we spent a whole year studying nothing but Nazism, was a bit draining) despite not a word of truth being printed in either of them the Völkischer Beobachter was supposedly aimed at your more upmarket consumer of nazi propaganda whereas Der Sturmer was the 'rag'. Thanks -so I got the Daily Telegraph & The Daily Mail mixed up then. The thought did occur but I thought 'best not' |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 13:55:05 GMT
Thanks -so I got the Daily Telegraph & The Daily Mail mixed up then. The thought did occur but I thought 'best not' Very wise-someone might say " The Guardian" , then you would be in trouble. ..........what do do think ?........The Church Times ?. Granma ? |
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Post by moby on May 18, 2022 14:35:04 GMT
As to the Jubilee, I don't understand the strong emotions that are involved in an attachment or resentment to a person and family which for most people is only known third hand. I am, politically, inclined towards republicanism but it is an intellectual position and I cannot find myself exercised (or should that be exorcised I am never sure) either way whilst the monarchy remains constitutional and as Walter Bagehot, in "The English Constitution" described dignified. His thesis being that two parts were necessary to the constitution, ‘one to excite and preserve the reverence of the population’ and the other to ‘employ that homage in the work of government’. The first related to the monarchy and pomp and the second described as (laughingly in light of the current incumbents) ‘efficient’. For me its more visceral, they symbolise oppression and excess and of course they are at the top of the class system. A couple of years ago I was at a Horticultural show at Alexandra Palace. Prince Charles was walking around with his retinue and all of us proles were expected to make way and exit whatever part of the venue he was making for next. He made for the rare breed sheep pen where I already was and despite dirty looks from his coterie I stayed rooted to the spot in defiance, pretending I hadn't noticed him. That was my little contribution towards the republic. Every bit counts. |
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Post by domjg on May 18, 2022 14:47:34 GMT
The thought did occur but I thought 'best not' Very wise-someone might say " The Guardian" , then you would be in trouble. ..........what do do think ?........The Church Times ?. Granma ? Had to look up Granma. Curiously titled newspaper. Maybe The Tablet, a reassuringly weird catholic paper I remember my parents reading in my childhood that had no pictures. There was another vaguely more normal one called 'The Universe' if I remember correctly. It actually had pictures. Btw I didn't make up that DM article. I heard about it as it was reported in our local press. There was a feature in the Mail on Sunday I think it was recently denouncing Oxfordshire as a hotbed of dangerous wokery! |
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Post by alurqa on May 18, 2022 15:18:23 GMT
Wow, that's opened up an interesting rabbit hole. I'll be watching more from him. Danke! |
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Post by jimjam on May 18, 2022 15:32:42 GMT
Just looking on Wiki to see if any polls out and the consistency of the Conservative VI struck me so I looked back a few weeks.
Not withstanding some of these polls are forecast models you have to go back over a month and 21 polls to see a Tory VI not between 33% and 35%.
Even then the 32% on the 22nd oldest poll looks like an outlier with Lab at 43%.
In the same 21 polls Labour's VI has been as low as 36% and as high as 42%.
Lab+Green has been a bit more consistent but not as steady as those Tory numbers.
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Post by alurqa on May 18, 2022 15:41:26 GMT
I did consider "Der Sturmer" Pedant mode: Der Stürmer, with an umlaut. I know you were quoting. Entschuldigung! :-) |
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Post by domjg on May 18, 2022 15:52:12 GMT
Wow, that's opened up an interesting rabbit hole. I'll be watching more from him. Danke! Yeah he's great. I came across him a few weeks ago and now I'm hooked. He comes across as a bit dry sometimes but he actually has a good sense of humour and his video about how Duolingo wants your soul I found particularly amusing. He's been threatened on more than one occasion when reporting facts about certain languages and especially their relationship to other languages fell foul of political extremists in some parts of the world as it didn't accord with whatever nationalistic or religious nonsense they were pushing. |
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