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Post by crossbat11 on May 9, 2022 7:20:11 GMT
crossbat11 Found you lurking over on the guardian you don't escape that easily. Agreed with your post about Brillo a legend in his own head! Well, at least you'll notice that I'm consistent in my views, Steve. I don't often stray into politics on the Guardian comments pages, I'm more usually found pontificating about football, cricket, golf, rugby F1 etc on the sports pages. Usually debating trivia with characters called The Flightless Hedgehog and Guile and Pies! |
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Post by barbara on May 9, 2022 7:22:36 GMT
I'm following you all avidly but as I'm in a cruise this week with intermittent and unreliable Internet I can't offer my inestimable words of wisdom. Suffice to say 'beergate' is win win for Labour and lose lose for the Tories. Either Starmer is exonerated or he isn't and resigns thus putting further pressure on Johnson to do likewise. I suspect that Richard Holden is not the most popular Tory MP at present as his pushing has created this situation where the Tories can't win. Lovely! Ooh where are you cruising, Barbara? Just a week's cruise to Northern Europe. It's by way of an experiment. I cruise a lot but haven't been anywhere for the past two years as at first dancing was banned and then when it was allowed there were no dance hosts to dance with single ladies like me so no point going as I'd be bored. So far very good. Lots of dancing and the dance hosts are not bad although the dance floor is small. Weather excellent and food etc good. Amsterdam today, Bruges tomorrow. I've got 3 more cruises lined up that I've had since before lockdown which I've kept delaying so now I'll have to schedule them in! Normal service resumed Friday. |
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Post by Danny on May 9, 2022 7:36:23 GMT
Meanwhile, a study in the Lancet shows 1 in 37 children likely to be hospitalised with a first covid infection, with 1 in 42 for a reinfection, rather destroying the notion that repeated infections are somehow good for us. I am puzzled where all these sick children really are, because we heard nothing of them in 2020. I recall a quote that the classic covid hospital patient was an overweight, old, male. Are children getting sick now because we locked them up for two years and they lost all their immunity to covid? Schools were full of hacking sick kids in early 2020, at least in the S of England, before they were closed. They all had covid then. The pattern is entirely consistent with having started in Hastings, spread to London and then further out.
Or is this simply there is so much covid about that high numbers have a covid cold while admitted to hospital with something else? There is an awful lot of dodgy data being posted now. The trick with dodgy data is always to precisely report something with a hidden flaw. So ONS report many more recorded cases now than in the first 2020 wave. But they werent counting during the first 2020 wave. Would have thought you could trust them, wouldnt you?
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Post by shevii on May 9, 2022 7:36:58 GMT
caroline In terms of putative Labour leader candidates, I thought the increasingly impressive Nandy did very well on the Raworth programme this morning. Raworth pressed her throughout the whole interview on the so called Beergate affair and she handled it very well, making the point that any moral or practical equivalence with the succession of Downing Street parties and subsequent prime ministerial lies, was ludicrous and the product of pro-Tory tabloid muckraking rather than public outrage. She also evaded the clearly signalled elephant trap questions posed by Raworth and, rather cleverly I thought, at the same still managed to get in her prepared attack lines on the Tory Government's handling of the cost of living crisis. She spoke intelligent human too, which was as unusual for a politician as it was refreshing. I did find it odd though that Raworth asked Nandy virtually nothing on the recent local election results or on the range of policy areas on which she is opposing the government. I understand why Beergate may have arisen, but for virtually the whole of the interview? Probably not a Raworth decision, more an editorial one. Maybe Kuennsberg might actually be an improvement? Raworth looks desperately out of her depth and more and more like a front of house puppet. Perfectly likeable individual but a fish out of water. The BBC must and should do better. Fair points, although I'd say that this could have been solved very easily at a higher level within the Labour Party by a clear commitment from Starmer to resign if he is fined and that now it's down to the police. You can still highlight the huge differences between a broadly campaign event and the regularity of Tory pure parties. Resignation for a fine is pretty much the situation anyway so by getting ahead of the news story then you're not on the defensive and having not been there then you have nothing to add to the tale. This is the sort of thing Blair and his communications team did much better. Quite a few times this parliament Labour (and Tory to be fair) MP's have been left struggling because they're not given clear cut responses that are going to hold. They should be onto a winner with this line as it seems very unlikely to me that Starmer would be fined given the way "Dom" got away with a mild rebuke and the apparent Durham police policy not to issue retrospective fines. Doesn't mean they don't face another battle if Durham Police come up with the same sort of report as they did for "Dom" but for now this covers it. |
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Post by Danny on May 9, 2022 7:44:43 GMT
News this morning once again reported power companies warning of big rises to come at the next price cap evaluation. Some suggesting the energy loan scheme of £200 should be increased to £1000. Personally I'm not at all happy with the idea of being forced into a loan by government whose interest I will have to pay one way or another. If they want to bail out energy companies, which again are warning of bankruptcies, then they need to do it via government funding. Hikeing benefits with an emergency payment of £20 might make more sense. Oh...they just took that off.
While shortages of rare metals seem to be expected because of sanctions against Russia which are going to cause more price rises and interrupt production in particular of electric vehicles. Affects batteries and electronics.
If Starmer really did have to resign....I wonder if that might be a handy moment to call a general election?
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Post by johntel on May 9, 2022 7:46:17 GMT
Canadian study into covid infection during pregnancy shows a 5 fold increase in the risk of hospitalisation and a 63% increase in early births. Meanwhile, a study in the Lancet shows 1 in 37 children likely to be hospitalised with a first covid infection, with 1 in 42 for a reinfection, rather destroying the notion that repeated infections are somehow good for us. Tough times for the deniers. I haven't read the article but I can't believe that. Pretty much all the children in the country must have had covid by now. It would mean that 1 child in every two classrooms has been in hospital with covid. That seems very unlikely. |
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Post by Danny on May 9, 2022 7:50:09 GMT
Canadian study into covid infection during pregnancy shows.... Alec, what you dont seem to get is there is really no way forward except to just get on with life as normal. Its no good finding studies into this and that. Theres nothing in reality we can do about that, we never managed to stop covid spreading. Its always gone through the population each wave until we get immune to that version. Then it changes. This process will slow and it will become just another cold we ignore. Its pretty much there already. The sooner we go back to ignoring it in normal life the better.
Hastings didnt even notice it had it winter 19/20. The implication of that is the epidemic was never, ever, anything like as dangerous as was claimed.
Trying to stop people catching covid was Canute holding back the tide. An enormously stupid mistake where governments just copied each other. An example of the stupidity of crowds.
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Post by domjg on May 9, 2022 8:07:38 GMT
Russia accusing Finland of bullying them, by deciding to join Nato. As with Brexit, the juxtaposition of simultaneous claims to greatness sits alongside the manufacturing of the claim of being downtrodden and bullied. This right wing populism stuff is very hard to get your head around, and defies any logical analysis. The bully using a perceived or simulated sense of victimhood in attempting to justify their heinous behaviour can be seen from the domestic abuser upwards. I've long noted that there are unfortunate similarities in national neuroses between England and Russia with the English version fortunately being less lethal. A sense of mid 20th century greatness that must somehow be reclaimed and that pernicious 'others' within or without have taken from them. A toxic mixing of superiority and inferiority complex leading to aggressive behaviour. An unwillingness to accept the world as it is today. I was thinking about this yesterday and this war and Putin's inevitable ultimate fall has the potential I think to be the trigger to finally wrench Russia out of that Soviet mindset. For England I think it will be a combination of the Queen's demise (as no one else will want Charlie as head of state and possibly the Commonwealth will cease to be) and also the departure of Scotland that will finally force England to accept the actual position it finds itself in. |
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Post by Danny on May 9, 2022 8:21:24 GMT
I was thinking about this yesterday and this war and Putin's inevitable ultimate fall has the potential I think to be the trigger to finally wrench Russia out of that Soviet mindset. For England I think it will be a combination of the Queen's demise (as no one else will want Charlie as head of state and possibly the Commonwealth will cease to be) and also the departure of Scotland that will finally force England to accept the actual position it finds itself in. As I suggested before, NATO could hardly have had a better plan than to encourage Russia to invade Ukraine, while secretly ensuring Ukaine had the weaponry to win. As to the monarchy, I found the TV series the crown influential, and I suspect many would have. It depicts a monarch trapped in political impotence and indeed personal impotence. A prison, not a privilege. The strongest reason for continuing seemed to be the hope that one day things would change and the monarch have a real role once again. Some of the Royal family have given up on any such hope, and the series documents some during elizabeth's early reign. Its just about possible if the queen were to die soon, they could keep the series going long enough to cover her funeral and it would become something of an epitaph. I happened to look through one of the appendices to the very long Winston Churchill biography, which contains his correspondence. Highlighting a detail that the best the king could hope to do was influence the naming of new navy ships! |
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Post by guymonde on May 9, 2022 8:39:27 GMT
Whilst I think LTNs are net positive generally I’d happily see them abandoned as my experience of them in Oxford is that benefits are small and uneven with some LTNs being very ill considered and they’re total catnip to the populist right and the driving lobby. Better to my mind to make roads unappealing as through routes with heavy traffic calming measures rather than just blocking them off which can appear draconian. In Hounslow where there has been colossal noise against LTN's the ruling Labour party actually picked up their first seat in decades in Chiswick, where most of the LTNs and 99% of the noise are concentrated. I also remember when Waltham Forest introduced them a few years ago and there were demonstrations in the street involving coffins, the Labour vote actually went up, I think quite sharply, in 2018. The recent ones were put in in a great hurry at the start of the pandemic and some are poorly conceived and executed in an ugly way, which clearly doesn't help. |
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Post by bardin1 on May 9, 2022 9:11:04 GMT
Whilst I think LTNs are net positive generally I’d happily see them abandoned as my experience of them in Oxford is that benefits are small and uneven with some LTNs being very ill considered and they’re total catnip to the populist right and the driving lobby. Better to my mind to make roads unappealing as through routes with heavy traffic calming measures rather than just blocking them off which can appear draconian. In Hounslow where there has been colossal noise against LTN's the ruling Labour party actually picked up their first seat in decades in Chiswick, where most of the LTNs and 99% of the noise are concentrated. I also remember when Waltham Forest introduced them a few years ago and there were demonstrations in the street involving coffins, the Labour vote actually went up, I think quite sharply, in 2018. The recent ones were put in in a great hurry at the start of the pandemic and some are poorly conceived and executed in an ugly way, which clearly doesn't help. When I worked in Kingston the administration put in some quite imaginative schemes. Particularly one based on a Dutch model I think, in New Malden which was very controversial - chicanes and build outs. Made it a bit like a grand prix circuit but paradoxically slowed the traffic considerably. I haven't seen the stats on accidents but I imagine in that respect it was probably very successful (just because of traffic speeds) . I liked it, as a pedestrian/ bus users. However car users weren't happy. Better than the humps IMO. www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabre-roads.org.uk%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DFile%3ANew_Malden_High_Street_-_B283_-_Coppermine_-_3469.JPG&psig=AOvVaw1jlz2wxtk1fiUH3so85e_W&ust=1652173819704000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAwQjRxqFwoTCIDi8KKJ0vcCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD |
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Post by steve on May 9, 2022 9:14:52 GMT
Just a little bit of perspective on covid.
During the first 18 months of the pandemic in the uk total deaths of or with covid numbered around 140,000 of these 26 were in people under 19 and 10 in those under 14 only 1 was under 1.
The UK has one of the highest child mortality rates in Europe.
Each year approximately 3500 children under 1 die and the total under 19 is around 6000.
Over the age of 1 the most common cause of deaths is injury the second cancer. For children over 14 the third most common cause is sadly suicide.
It's entirely plausible to say that the preventative measures put in place during covid largely to protect the 70+ age population have exacerbated the life threatening dangers faced by our youngest.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on May 9, 2022 9:28:43 GMT
Ooh where are you cruising, Barbara? Just a week's cruise to Northern Europe. It's by way of an experiment. I cruise a lot but haven't been anywhere for the past two years as at first dancing was banned and then when it was allowed there were no dance hosts to dance with single ladies like me so no point going as I'd be bored. So far very good. Lots of dancing and the dance hosts are not bad although the dance floor is small. Weather excellent and food etc good. Amsterdam today, Bruges tomorrow. I've got 3 more cruises lined up that I've had since before lockdown which I've kept delaying so now I'll have to schedule them in! Normal service resumed Friday. Dancing - Pah! I've a plastic framed certificate somewhere that says I can, but it lies. I stumbled and crabbed my way around the dance floor every Tuesday night for ages in 1977 (including the night Elvis died and our new house was flooded but that's another story), doing my lovely new wife's bidding. Sadly in that area and probably many others I was a bitter disappointment to her. I think the certificate was granted in pity and in an attempt to ensure I didn't have to go back for the next term. Since then I've kept as far away as I possibly can from dance floors. |
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Post by robbiealive on May 9, 2022 9:29:13 GMT
The casual reader of Northern Irish election news, i.e. me, concludes that Sinn Fein had a titanic victory. In fact their share of 1st pref votes increased by 1% n they gained no seats. The real winners attracted little publicity: Alliance increased their vote share by 50% from 9 to 13.5% n gained 9 seats. The SFs historic triumph is a vagary of the currently unworkable power-sharing constitution.
It is hardly surprising the population is rejecting hard line Unionism n the Tory gov n is searching for centrist solutions. They voted Remain when the DupedUP campaigned for Leave - God knows why - while Johnson offers them Brexit chaos, criminal lies about borders, n like the DimUP has a unique capacity to shirk responsibility.
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Post by domjg on May 9, 2022 9:31:00 GMT
That's the kind of thing that does work I think as access is still there but pedestrians/cyclists are prioritised. It's doing nothing more than dumping large pot plants in the middle of roads to block them off as in Oxford that seems to cause the biggest backlash. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on May 9, 2022 9:50:35 GMT
That's the kind of thing that does work I think as access is still there but pedestrians/cyclists are prioritised. It's doing nothing more than dumping large pot plants in the middle of roads to block them off as in Oxford that seems to cause the biggest backlash. I suspect it all comes down to cash. Re-streetscaping can cost a fortune if done properly with creative design, utility redirection, removal and rebuilding of roads, pavements, kerbs, street furniture etc but it can look marvellous and work superbly. However if you're absolutely strapped for money as all local authorities are these days then they'll try a quick and dirty alternative. I suspect the very people who complain so loudly are the same ones who vote for a UK government that legislates against the local authorities having the money to do a proper job. |
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robbiealive PLEASE stop using the letter “n” for “and”. It’s ugly and lazy and pointless and makes me cross. 
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Post by caroline on May 9, 2022 10:07:46 GMT
I don’t agree with Moby that when people like Diane Abbot say that if Starmer does receive a FPN he will have to resign suggests we hate each other ……we don’t, we disagree on issues sometimes but most people in the LP on this issue would probably agree that a FPN would l put Starmer in a very difficult position and would probably mean a resignation. May be so but my point is people such as Diane Abbott are not exactly backward in coming forward in making that point. There is also some evidence that people within the Labour Party gave information to the press which was used to reopen the investigation. www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-civil-war-beergate-keir-starmer_uk_62776809e4b0b7c8f08525fdWhat evidence are you referring to? I haven't seen or heard one single member of the LP (left or right) suggesting that Smeargate is anything other than a complete fabrication by the right wing press to discredit Starmer. All that has been reported is an "unnamed source" or as in your refence above possibly a "disgruntled former employee". The press would love to dress this up as a left/right split in the LP and you, amongst many others, are prepared to collude with this. Grow a brain for Godsake. |
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Post by robbiealive on May 9, 2022 10:14:50 GMT
robbiealive PLEASE stop using the letter “n” for “and”. It’s ugly and lazy and pointless and makes me cross.  From -ow o- I shall elimi-ate a-d -ever use the letter -. |
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Post by thylacine on May 9, 2022 10:19:32 GMT
That's the kind of thing that does work I think as access is still there but pedestrians/cyclists are prioritised. It's doing nothing more than dumping large pot plants in the middle of roads to block them off as in Oxford that seems to cause the biggest backlash. I suspect it all comes down to cash. Re-streetscaping can cost a fortune if done properly with creative design, utility redirection, removal and rebuilding of roads, pavements, kerbs, street furniture etc but it can look marvellous and work superbly. However if you're absolutely strapped for money as all local authorities are these days then they'll try a quick and dirty alternative. I suspect the very people who complain so loudly are the same ones who vote for a UK government that legislates against the local authorities having the money to do a proper job. I agree. In Tower Hamlets the backlash came from the local residents many in social housing who had their vehicular access restricted to their homes and traffic kicked out onto busy high streets already congested causing gridlock at certain times of the day thus increasing not decreasing emissions in the area. There was also a view that the council was planning to develop these new pedestrianised roads with luxury flats at the same time that it was planning to close local schools and sell the land to developers. This could be seen in operation on Old Bethnal Green Road which was cut off and pedestrianised in an area which was ripe for gentrification pulled down from Shoreditch. Immediately you saw residents having greater difficulty travelling to and from work and a cafe scene developing simultaneously. Coupled with school closures it was suspected that the council was just acting for its own purposes to close the massive budget hole that had opened up and didn't care about the local community. Lutfur Rahman exploited this with the local community which of course he is very much a part of. I dont really think you can extrapolate Labour losses here to a national level at all. |
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Post by lens on May 9, 2022 10:34:38 GMT
lens - that's a load of bollocks that you are being fed. ....... Most patients who die with covid die of covid. That they have other conditions is not really relevant. Covid kills those with underlying conditions easier than the completely healthy, but that still means covid killed them. I wasn't going to bother replying about this any more, but you really are talking such pessimistic and inaccurate rubbish now that I can't ignore it. "Most patients who die with covid die of covid." Initially, I'm sure that was true. It's not now. The "Covid deaths" figure defines how many people died of Covid within 28 days of a positive test. If Covid didn't exist, a given number of people would be expected to die in the UK every day anyway. (About 1,600 I believe.) If Covid was perfectly harmless, but (say) infected half the population within 28 days then you'd expect half of those 1,600 to die with a "positive" result - and hence be counted as a "Covid death"! OK, an exaggeration, but it shows the point. The definiton of a "Covid death" was very relevant early on, but with high case rates and much lower severity it becomes misleading. A few weeks ago (with high case rates) it led to roughly 50:50 "with" and "from" - as case rates are now much lower the "with" percentage may well have declined. Not because Covid has become more serious, but because fewer people dying from other causes happen to have it. So how to compensate? Which brings on the whole subject of "excess deaths". The point about excess deaths is also misleading. The UK has a very substantially higher number of deaths from respiratory diseases than many other comparable countries, because for years we have had very poor health outcomes in that regard. The excess deaths denominator is therefore distorted in the UK's case, and after 2 years of covid, is likely to be distorted anyway, wherever you are. With high rates of mortality among the vulnerable for the last couple of years, normal deaths are likely to be lower anyway, so generating a period of negative figures for excess deaths. This will make covid deaths appear less impactful, but it is a result of a distortion of the denominator, not a reduction in covid impacts. Oh Alec! And you talk about me talking rubbish! Firstly, so what about the respiratory disease point? May it simply just be an indication of climate and such factors? That the UK suffers damp and chilly winters? In which case, what's the relevance to Covid? If the overall number goes up markedly it's a sign to worry - if it doesn't then any death due to Covid is one which would have happened from another cause. Look at the excess death graph, and you roughly see two distinct peaks, each lasting about a month, and each representing about a doubling of the daily death rate. Over the last couple of years the overall figure has been about 10% higher. Since vaccination became widespread we haven't seen anything remotely like such peaks. And your final sentence, it may have relevance if we were only talking about average numbers - but we're not seeing excess death peaks in spite of peaks in case numbers. I get that people want this all to be good news, and that's an easier thing to cope with than the continuing vigilance we need if we accept the truth of the situation, but looking the other way doesn't make the truth go away. I'm very happy to see good news - but ultimately consider myself a realist. Back in the dark days of 2020 I was only too aware that the world faced a huge problem and appropriate actions needed to be taken - but we're in a different place now. Accepting the truth, and looking ahead, there may still be bumps to come - but it's no excuse for insisting on looking only into the shadows and taking the most pessimistic outlook. If you want to do that, it's your right. (Just as it is Danny's not to be vaccinated.) Wear your mask all the time if you want to. But please, stop making out that you are right and the majority of people are wrong. There are many problems in the world, many far greater than Covid, and to fixate on the latter is not sensible or helpful. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on May 9, 2022 10:38:20 GMT
I believe that at one point there was a rule that all new build roads in a development had to have pavements on both sides of the road. I think that was relaxed in the '80's, indeed, from '82 we lived in a new house in a tiny cul de sac which had no pavements at all, its very narrowness and lack of through access meant cars were always driven very slowly. Luckily all the houses had drives and garages but there were parking issues when residents had a number of visitors and, thank goodness there were no live at home young people or a three/four car household would've caused havoc.
These streetscapes can alter behaviour but do need to be comprehensively designed in an integrated fashion.
There's also a category of driver that believe they must never be delayed or slowed down and who can't understand why their life should be made more difficult to improve outcomes for a lot of other people. It's called 'selfish'.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 9, 2022 10:44:14 GMT
Hi thylacine I dont really think you can extrapolate Labour losses here to a national level at all.
However, some of these areas where 'local factors' are at play may also come into play at a GE. I am sure Rahman may now feel embolden to stand as an MP - or get one of his followers to stand as the Aspire candidate. Labour's set backs in Croydon seem to be a mix of local issues and increase in support for the Greens. Would this impact the GE result - New Addington is part of the Croydon Central constituency? There was low turnout but I'd guess Sarah Jones is more than a little bit concerned atm.
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Post by laszlo4new on May 9, 2022 11:10:42 GMT
I think that the election law should be changed - any election result with less than 50% turnout in a ward (council elections) or constituency (national) should be made invalid for that unit and repeated (maybe to infinity ...)
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Post by robbiealive on May 9, 2022 11:11:08 GMT
Grow a brain for Godsake. An unfortunate remark. We all enjoy a bit of abuse but playground juvenilia? Most posters on here are LP supporters but none seeks to be the "Voice" of the party. Moby "What chance of a Labour Govmt when people in your own party hate you more than the opposition." The word hatred may overdo it but clearly no love is lost between the Corbynite wing & Starmer given the latter is trying to eliminate Corbyn from the party. As Stop the War Coalition (supported by a number of Labour MPs who Starmer threatned to purge) reported: "Starmer’s latest move underlines his commitment to destroying any last vestiges of Corbynism in Labour, particularly as it relates to foreign policy" etc. Abbott's remark was not intended to be helpful. I have read most British political diaries (not usually memoirs, even more subjective) since H. Nicholson's (his are the best as he recorded the most dramatic period in modern Brit history, '29-45, Chips Channon's [edited version] the silliest as he was wrong about everything in the same era: as AJP Taylor remarked "a rich mixture of folly & snobbery"). They reveal the bitterness of internal divisions in modern parties & that at the top level all parties are subject to an intense degree of rivalry that spills over into in-fighting, even briefing & counter-briefing. The LP is no different. One may as well face up to these divisions: they exist! |
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Post by robbiealive on May 9, 2022 11:15:47 GMT
I think that the election law should be changed - any election result with less than 50% turnout in a ward (council elections) or constituency (national) should be made invalid for that unit and repeated (maybe to infinity ...) I think we should revert to 18th century practice. Bribery. Everyone under 35 who turns up should be given a £10 voucher for the media outlet of their choice. |
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Post by bardin1 on May 9, 2022 11:20:57 GMT
I think that the election law should be changed - any election result with less than 50% turnout in a ward (council elections) or constituency (national) should be made invalid for that unit and repeated (maybe to infinity ...) I think we should revert to 18th century practice. Bribery. Everyone under 35 who turns up should be given a £10 voucher for the media outlet of their choice. Except the BBC of course |
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Post by laszlo4new on May 9, 2022 11:30:23 GMT
I think that the election law should be changed - any election result with less than 50% turnout in a ward (council elections) or constituency (national) should be made invalid for that unit and repeated (maybe to infinity ...) I think we should revert to 18th century practice. Bribery. Everyone under 35 who turns up should be given a £10 voucher for the media outlet of their choice. It's a common practice in Hungarian elections 😝 |
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Post by robbiealive on May 9, 2022 11:39:20 GMT
I think we should revert to 18th century practice. Bribery. Everyone under 35 who turns up should be given a £10 voucher for the media outlet of their choice. Except the BBC of course Posters on here, especially, but not exclusively, the SNP ones, are obsessive critics of the BBC. Davwel's comments alone would fil a pamphlet. I think the critics should adopt Popper's position & look for evidence that doesn't confirm their position. Otherwise they just find what they seek. |
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Post by laszlo4new on May 9, 2022 11:51:52 GMT
robbiealive While confirmation bias is present here and everywhere, just for pedantry ( as your point in seeking information that contradicts the assumption is very correct and very pragmatic), Popper denied the existence of causality (he wanted to replace it with patterns - probably didn't see Elvis on his toast), and confused the complexity of the phenomena with the complexity of the model of the phenomena.
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