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Post by steve on Jan 13, 2022 8:25:07 GMT
Today's delusional brown nose award goes to Brandon Lewis
"While he didn’t have much to say of any substance about the Downing Street parties themselves, the Northern Ireland secretary Brandon Lewis did give on Sky News in the UK one of the more ringing endorsements of Boris Johnson. He said:
I personally think the prime minister is the right person to be prime minister. I think we will be able to go forward and win a general election.
We have got work to do. We have got to deliver on exactly on what the prime minister set up, which is some of the biggest important reforms dealing with issues the country would have liked to have dealt with years ago, like health and social care, issues in Northern Ireland that haven’t been dealt with in decades.
This is somebody who wants to deal with that and do it in a way that delivers for everybody in the UK, and that is why I think he will win the next election."
Arise Lord Lewis of Crapstone
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Post by steve on Jan 13, 2022 8:26:24 GMT
Sda
Only if you also worked there or were the queen!
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Post by hireton on Jan 13, 2022 8:27:43 GMT
barbaraTrue that there are many suspects but the killer revelations have come from Brand and ITV.
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Post by barbara on Jan 13, 2022 8:35:23 GMT
barbara True that there are many suspects but the killer revelations have come from Brand and ITV. That's my point I think. Many suspects and many reporters to leak them to. That's why the government haven't instigated a leak investigation which they normally do. They suspect this isn't just one person. |
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Post by neilj on Jan 13, 2022 8:44:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 8:51:06 GMT
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 13, 2022 9:01:36 GMT
This Poll is Cons' lowest rating since Dec. 2013. What are they waiting for ?. What is Sue Gray going to say which can possibly help.? Maybe it points up one of the oft voiced criticisms of this government. There is no plan, on anything, including defenestrating the incumbent PM. It's just blunder through from one day to the next and try to make sure you're still in post the next day.. |
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Post by neilj on Jan 13, 2022 9:07:12 GMT
Perhaps I am too cynical, seems very convenient
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Post by neilj on Jan 13, 2022 9:09:59 GMT
From the NHS website: "If you live with or have been in contact with someone with COVID-19, you will not need to self-isolate if any of the following apply: you're fully vaccinated – this means 14 days have passed since your final dose.
In addition you can consider limiting conact with the people who are at higher risk
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 9:15:51 GMT
This Poll is Cons' lowest rating since Dec. 2013. What are they waiting for ?. What is Sue Gray going to say which can possibly help.? Maybe it points up one of the oft voiced criticisms of this government. There is no plan, on anything, including defenestrating the incumbent PM. It's just blunder through from one day to the next and try to make sure you're still in post the next day.. Well they aren't doing anything to counter that impression. But in fairness I guess it is a big decision. And they invested so much belief in him. But they need to crack on imo. I was looking at the timetable for May ( from Wiki):- 24 May 2019 announced that she would resign . 7 June resigned. 10 June nominations opened. 13/20 June MPs balloted 23 July, General Membership vote |
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Post by tancred on Jan 13, 2022 9:20:16 GMT
@tw Pretty damning. Johnson was the right PM pre-Brexit. Post Brexit he offers virtually nothing of substance. No, Johnson was entirely the WRONG PM at ANY time! |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 13, 2022 9:22:52 GMT
@sda
I have, after a sleepless night agonising over it, decided to remain. Frankly, I've been overwhelmed my the response to my planned departure, with many posters, including yourself, making moving appeals for me to reconsider and stay. Mark has already done so and I've even had an email from Texas pleading with me to keep posting. Turky I think was his name. Even Colin has told me that he'd miss my whimsical observations on life and politics. How can I disappoint such good people?
So, bearing in mind this avalanche of heartfelt pleas, how could I now leave and bereave so many good people on this ever vibrant site.
I'm just off for a little stagger around the byways and highways of South Worcestershire, then I will return to enlighten you all with some typical caustic commentary.
It will be, as always, across the aisle stuff, studiously objective and forever reaching out for greater truths and meanings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 9:22:59 GMT
May 5 2022 Local Elections
146 unitary, metropolitan, county, district and London councils in England
32 councils in Scotland
22 councils in Wales
7 directly elected mayors in England
+ Referendum to abolish Bristol Mayor
90 members of the Northern Ireland Assembly
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 13, 2022 9:24:15 GMT
So a change in leadership looks to take about two months, which takes us to mid March.
I was idly wondering which candidates would want Johnson's blessing? I guess, in the circumstances, none.
I'm still going for Tom Tugendhat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 9:25:04 GMT
Can I just say and I think this will be reported sooner or later, Sue Gray is a notorious Ray Donovan like "fixer" - appointing her to investigate is almost an admission in itself. She'll get him off the hook but it will be party suicide. Spectator has picked up on that old BBC article Old nat quoted. The "investigation" is a complete whitewash and he'd be better off resigning than trying to pass it off as even handed. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 13, 2022 9:25:32 GMT
@sda I have, after a sleepless night agonising over it, decided to remain. Frankly, I've been overwhelmed my the response to my planned departure, with many posters, including yourself, making moving appeals for me to reconsider and stay. Mark has already done so and I've even had an email from Texas pleading with me to keep posting. Turky I think was his name. Even Colin has told me that he'd miss my whimsical observations on life and politics. How can I disappoint such good people? So, bearing in mind this avalanche of heartfelt pleas, how could I now leave and bereave so many good people on this ever vibrant site. I'm just off for a little stagger around the byways and highways of South Worcestershire, then I will return to enlighten you all with some typical caustic commentary. It will be, as always, across the aisle stuff, studiously objective and forever reaching out for greater truths and meanings. YAWN! |
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Post by neilj on Jan 13, 2022 9:31:37 GMT
It may be that, back in 2015, when the BBC did a report on Sue Gray they were inaccurate. I have no idea,
However, if accurate, perhaps the Tories constant description of her as "independent" and "impartial" may be somewhat lacking in nuance.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580 That does tend to contradict the recent oft repeated warm words about her independence and rigour in investigations |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 9:31:51 GMT
An interesting insight into the "culture" at No 10 which is behind Johnson's claim that the garden is an extension of the office:- www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59972864All irrelevant of course-the public have made their minds up. |
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Post by steve on Jan 13, 2022 9:32:22 GMT
Check the fridge
"Boris Johnson cancels trip to Burnley vaccination centre after positive Covid test from 'family member' – reports
And this has just happened as well – reports that someone within the Boris Johnson family has tested positive for Covid, leading to the prime minister cancelling a planned excursion to a vaccination centre today, where he would have had to face the public for the first time since apologising in parliament for attending a lockdown party in Downing Street."
Of course Johnson has no requirement to isolate because of family case under current legislation.
Coward.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 9:39:12 GMT
That does tend to contradict the recent oft repeated warm words about her independence and rigour in investigations For a slightly different take :- "Her inquiry will see her return to old terrain from her six years running the Cabinet Office’s propriety and ethics team. In that role Gray, 64, ended the careers of three cabinet ministers, vetted prime ministerial memoirs and was the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong in the corridors of power. It was her investigation into Theresa May’s deputy, Damian Green, in 2017 which led to his forced resignation after she discovered he had lied about pornography found on his Commons computer. A former colleague of Gray said: “I would liken her to the most extreme headmaster and will not be a fan of Boris Johnson. “She’s quite rude and full-on. She was known for negotiating the salaries of the government special advisers and being as tight with money as possible. As a result we lost a lot of good special advisers under Theresa May, who was a friend of hers." Times |
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Post by mandolinist on Jan 13, 2022 9:46:14 GMT
Check the fridge "Boris Johnson cancels trip to Burnley vaccination centre after positive Covid test from 'family member' – reports And this has just happened as well – reports that someone within the Boris Johnson family has tested positive for Covid, leading to the prime minister cancelling a planned excursion to a vaccination centre today, where he would have had to face the public for the first time since apologising in parliament for attending a lockdown party in Downing Street." Of course Johnson has no requirement to isolate because of family case under current legislation. Coward. Of course he is a coward. However, if the man had any credibility left he could reasonably argue that a visit to a vaccination centre would be unwise in the circumstances, despite not needing to isolate. Maybe he can't get hold of any LFD's? |
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Post by steve on Jan 13, 2022 9:51:22 GMT
Everyone is saying that any PM with a shred of integrity, decency and concern for the citizens of this country should resign.
Which leaves the open question what will Spaffer do?
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Post by steve on Jan 13, 2022 9:58:04 GMT
10 minutes after reading a clinical, non-apology written with legal speak, Johnson said he 'did not mean it'. Written in the Times, he is reported to have said the following: "The prime minister was, according to those present, far from contrite. He told colleagues that “we have taken a lot of hits in politics and this is one of them”, adding: “Sometimes we take the credit for things we don’t deserve and this time we’re taking hits for something we don’t deserve.” www.thetimes.co.uk/article/contrite-boris-johnson-doesnt-believe-he-did-anything-wrong-say-tories-zxxgf6pt3 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 9:58:58 GMT
I think you are all still underestimating Boris. He is still there. The Tories will not get rid of him unless there is a sustained 10% deficit in the polls.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 10:00:23 GMT
That does tend to contradict the recent oft repeated warm words about her independence and rigour in investigations For a slightly different take :- "Her inquiry will see her return to old terrain from her six years running the Cabinet Office’s propriety and ethics team. In that role Gray, 64, ended the careers of three cabinet ministers, vetted prime ministerial memoirs and was the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong in the corridors of power. It was her investigation into Theresa May’s deputy, Damian Green, in 2017 which led to his forced resignation after she discovered he had lied about pornography found on his Commons computer. A former colleague of Gray said: “I would liken her to the most extreme headmaster and will not be a fan of Boris Johnson. “She’s quite rude and full-on. She was known for negotiating the salaries of the government special advisers and being as tight with money as possible. As a result we lost a lot of good special advisers under Theresa May, who was a friend of hers." Times We'll find out in due course! Personally I don't think we need an investigation because we already know what happened. Just playing for time. |
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Post by neilj on Jan 13, 2022 10:01:10 GMT
In the same circumstances as Johnson NHS staff are told to go to work subject to a daily negative covid test
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Post by James E on Jan 13, 2022 10:02:37 GMT
[Model showing that Con 28 Lab 38 gives Labour 326 seats (maj 2) ] It looks to me like this model takes no account of tactical voting. So in their example of a narrow Con hold in Bournemouth West, it's: Con 37.3% Lab 37.3% LD 12.2% Grn 8.9% ref 4.2% Surely, as a matter of common sense, Con and Lab would both be able to squeeze the other parties, here. It would be Labour benefitting mainly, but there are one or two seats (Rother Valley?) where the opposite would apply. |
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Post by tancred on Jan 13, 2022 10:08:30 GMT
I think you are all still underestimating Boris. He is still there. The Tories will not get rid of him unless there is a sustained 10% deficit in the polls. They never got rid of Major, even in the days when the polls were indicating a Labour landslide. |
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Post by mercian on Jan 13, 2022 10:10:21 GMT
Mercian...You posted this: “ Extract: "The IMF, in its latest report on the global economy (published 12 October), lowered slightly its UK 2021 GDP growth forecast to 6.8%, from 7.0% at its previous July forecast. The UK is still forecast to see the fastest growth in the G7 this year, after seeing the largest fall in GDP in 2020." I think it was in order to demonstrate that we are not worse off outside the EU and don’t need to at least try to mend a few fences. Surely the last sentence of your quote clearly indicates why the UK might be forecast to have the fastest growth? We had the largest fall. Maybe you have the figures that show something different though? It just shows that despite all the gloom and doom, and a temporary hit the UK economy is bouncing back well. From the way some folks talk you'd think we were on a never-ending spiral into destruction. |
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Post by tancred on Jan 13, 2022 10:11:22 GMT
This would be my dream result! Labour largest party or with a tiny lead. Then - FINALLY - they would be persuaded to work with the LibDems and bring in PR. |
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