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Post by Danny on Nov 12, 2024 12:48:31 GMT
Climate change is not a "leftie opinion". It shouldn't be party political at all and it is deeply alarming that it has become so. Just a reminder that Margaret Thatcher, with her science background, understood and fully accepted the science. Modern western society is very squeamish about early death. In a way Putin is not, nor many other countries around the world. Global warming will not kill off the human race, there will be some winners. If a lot of people die, seems likely, well by historical standards its unlikely to be a signficant proportion, especially with falling birth rates anyway. There are different ways to look at a looming world disaster, which however isnt going to arrive for 50 years and is unstoppable anyway without unified world action. Some would undoubtedly argue that since our own contribution is negligible, and its likely others will not act anyway, we might as well do nothing. In fact better to do so, because then when it hits we will be in better economic shape to deal with it. And really not forgetting that however squeamish about death we act, we dont really mean it. It matters if its brits dying, others not so much. Perhaps time to expand the armed forces, to shoot anyone trying to arrive on this island who wasnt invited. (actually, thats pretty likely to happen on a much bigger scale than now, we need to decide what we are going to do in a future where the Uk itself is in trouble because of global warming but still new people see it as better than what is happening to them. Do we just shoot them?) |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 12:49:40 GMT
I think we are supposed to call such uncomfortable things a “false equivalence” Colin! |
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Post by Danny on Nov 12, 2024 12:59:51 GMT
It is difficult to see how "political correctness", however the polemicist using that term wishes to define it, has done far more damage to enlightenment and freedom than Trump and his cronies have ever done. Arguably political correctness is a significant part of Trump becoming president, so its not only to blame for what he does but his being there at all. (political correctness would for example include not calling out a politician as a liar, because honourable members never lie) As best I understand it, it seems likely the original Roe V Wade decision in effect extended the reach of the US consitution to cover areas the founders never intended. It happened because the whole US had moved to the liberal side, and so with the power to interpret the constitution, thats what they did. Again its rather an example of political correctness itself, claiming the constitution really meant something other than the actual words said. Oh it is. The Thatcher regime had a purge on pro gay books and teaching, because that was just not politically correct in their interpretation. Any such was an abomination in their eyes and could not be permitted. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 12, 2024 13:01:40 GMT
You mean that Margaret Thatcher, who faced with the bounty of North Sea oil, instead of investing it and creating a sovereign wealth fund (as the sensible Norwegians, to name just one country, did) spaffed it up the wall by cutting taxes and paying people to be unemployed. Thats a deeply unfair interpretation, one might even call it political correctness. 1) Government direct receipts from the N sea were always small compared to annual expenditure. 2) The Uk population is ten times that of Norway, but their revenues were much the same as ours. So while all we got from oil was a modest extra on national income, they had per capita a seriously large amount which they couldnt sensibly spend all in one go on useful stuff. So they saved it for later. Its completely wrong to claim in very different circumstances we should have done what they did. If you go and ask Martin Lewis financial advice if you have a bit of a windfall, he will tell you, deal with debt first. I appreciate it isnt precisely the same for a government, but really what you are saying is the Uk could have created a £500bn wealth fund by borrowing £500bn from commercial markets. Well yes it could, but that would just have created one of the worlds biggest investment banks, owned by the nation. Which of course is something entirely separately con would never have agreed to but its not clear Blair would either. We could still do that today you know, the oil isnt really relevant to the argument, just as correct to argue the government should borrow money, invest it, and use the profits to cut income tax. |
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Post by mark61 on Nov 12, 2024 13:02:24 GMT
Climate change is not a "leftie opinion". It shouldn't be party political at all and it is deeply alarming that it has become so. Just a reminder that Margaret Thatcher, with her science background, understood and fully accepted the science. Lots of people have a science background PJ, it doesn’t mean they understand the science. Even at Oxford, most struggled with the science, which is why they end up in management, or indeed politics even, not pursuing science as a career. this is the problem with credentialism. Passing exams does not guarantee ability, when exams are designed to be passed by most people regardless. Even working in the industry, making ice cream, doesn’t mean that you will understand complex climate modelling. it is the case that it is a shame that things like climate change get politicised, however, sadly it is quite inevitable. Dealing with climate change can challenge some political models, since it may require quite a lot of state action that some are not keen on. It can also be potentially quite an earner for some researchers, and indeed industries. Some who would like to keep the working class down by deindustrialising, may also not be keen on having copious energy supplies. It can be an earner for middle-class people too who are not in the sector, investing in energy schemes, and so on. Medicine is another area of science that gets politicised, as we saw in the pandemic. Is this not a bit of a red herring, the point about the Science is you can examine the research , check the methodology, and in this way Credentialism is important because you can factor in the track record of the Company, University, or R&D department producing the paper. So when a group with a solid record produce some research or scientific conclusions i am likely to give weight to that compared to someone blogging from his mum's back bedroom. Sometimes you come across as a bit of a Red Pill Male! |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 13:11:43 GMT
Lots of people have a science background PJ, it doesn’t mean they understand the science. Even at Oxford, most struggled with the science, which is why they end up in management, or indeed politics even, not pursuing science as a career. this is the problem with credentialism. Passing exams does not guarantee ability, when exams are designed to be passed by most people regardless. Even working in the industry, making ice cream, doesn’t mean that you will understand complex climate modelling. it is the case that it is a shame that things like climate change get politicised, however, sadly it is quite inevitable. Dealing with climate change can challenge some political models, since it may require quite a lot of state action that some are not keen on. It can also be potentially quite an earner for some researchers, and indeed industries. Some who would like to keep the working class down by deindustrialising, may also not be keen on having copious energy supplies. It can be an earner for middle-class people too who are not in the sector, investing in energy schemes, and so on. Medicine is another area of science that gets politicised, as we saw in the pandemic. Is this not a bit of a red herring, the point about the Science is you can examine the research , check the methodology, and in this way Credentialism is important because you can factor in the track record of the Company, University, or R&D department producing the paper. So when a group with a solid record produce some research or scientific conclusions i am likely to give weight to that compared to someone blogging from his mum's back bedroom. Sometimes you come across as a bit of a Red Pill Male! You didn’t get my point from earlier. The point about climate models is that they are predicting events in the future. We can’t check them yet! And if they are off in the present, they tend to retrofit the models. But more generally there is the question of what the science decides to look at. If they don’t look in the right direction, they won’t see it, and this can be political in its self. In medicine, for example, there is a debate over the efficacy of vitamin D. There are some studies, but not thorough enough to be conclusive. What we need is some big randomised controlled trials. But the pharmaceutical industry isn’t particularly keen to fund them, because you can’t patent vitamin D and make a load of dosh from it. For years therapists have been giving people antidepressants, and when people come off the antidepressants, they have been following a protocol given to them by the pharmaceutical industry. And it’s a protocol that didn’t work very well, and was likely to lead to relapse. Which coincidentally is very profitable for the pharmaceutical industry… There were lots of researchers trying to find the aether in the late 1800s. It took a patent clerk, third class, working on the matter secretly in his office in spare moments, to point out what they had all been missing. Even then, after he published them, people largely ignored Einstein’s ideas, until a big name like Max Planck picked up on them and publicised them. Boltzman, was ridiculed in his time, but wound up being a key figure in statistical mechanics. Obviously, one can only dream of reaching those sorts of heights, but even people like us can do a bit. In the pandemic, people were using antibody levels as a means to try and determine infection rates. Within a couple of weeks, I pointed out the problem with that: the ways in which that might give a flawed answer. Some at the time said they’d rather listen to the experts, thanks. A few months later SAGE announced they had updated their approach to using antibody tests, in a way that reflected my concerns. (Not that I think they listened to me…) |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 13:18:28 GMT
Lots of people have a science background PJ, it doesn’t mean they understand the science. Even at Oxford, most struggled with the science, which is why they end up in management, or indeed politics even, not pursuing science as a career. this is the problem with credentialism. Passing exams does not guarantee ability, when exams are designed to be passed by most people regardless. Even working in the industry, making ice cream, doesn’t mean that you will understand complex climate modelling. it is the case that it is a shame that things like climate change get politicised, however, sadly it is quite inevitable. Dealing with climate change can challenge some political models, since it may require quite a lot of state action that some are not keen on. It can also be potentially quite an earner for some researchers, and indeed industries. Some who would like to keep the working class down by deindustrialising, may also not be keen on having copious energy supplies. It can be an earner for middle-class people too who are not in the sector, investing in energy schemes, and so on. Medicine is another area of science that gets politicised, as we saw in the pandemic. Is this not a bit of a red herring, the point about the Science is you can examine the research , check the methodology, and in this way Credentialism is important because you can factor in the track record of the Company, University, or R&D department producing the paper. So when a group with a solid record produce some research or scientific conclusions i am likely to give weight to that compared to someone blogging from his mum's back bedroom. Sometimes you come across as a bit of a Red Pill Male! I took the red pill in hospital Mark! (And I don’t mean the times when they accidentally gave me the wrong meds and I spotted it because I didn’t just trust them). When I went along with the consensus and my prospects rapidly deteriorated, I thought “fuck this consensus shite”. Then when I started doing my own thing, and I’m telling the doctors what to do, what anaesthetics to use et cetera, my prospects improved markedly. I probably wouldn’t be here today if I hadn’t taken the fucking red pill! Not that it’s always a good thing, mind… |
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 12, 2024 13:29:28 GMT
I took the red pill in hospital Mark! (And I don’t mean the times when they accidentally gave me the wrong meds and I spotted it because I didn’t just trust them). When I went along with the consensus and my prospects rapidly deteriorated, I thought “fuck this consensus shite”. Then when I started doing my own thing, and I’m telling the doctors what to do, what anaesthetics to use et cetera, my prospects improved markedly. I wouldn’t be here today if I hadn’t taken the fucking red pill! Not that it’s always a good thing, mind… I always like to remind people of the aphorism that doctors bury their mistakes. Doctors are not God; they do make mistakes and it is no pleasure to the departed that an inquest or inquiry might reveal them, but rarely does unless the doctor is making the same mistake over and over again when it becomes apparent from the mortality statistics. |
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Post by neilj on Nov 12, 2024 13:31:09 GMT
For those that are looking for an alternative to the far right racist hate fueled Cesspit that twitters become under Musk, there is an alternative www.theverge.com/2024/11/11/24293920/bluesky-700000-new-users-week-x-threadsBluesky gained more than 700,000 new users in the last week and now has more than 14.5 million users total...The “majority” of the new users on the decentralized social network are from the US The results of the US presidential election could be part of Bluesky’s new influx of users. People may be looking to use a platform that’s not owned by Musk or, like some Taylor Swift fans, may be looking for a new platform following an increase in hate speech on X' are they posting loads of stuff about how democrats lost because of all the uneducated people who can’t tell the left apart and how it’s the young men’s fault for being influenced by masculinity etc.? No |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 13:32:33 GMT
are they posting loads of stuff about how democrats lost because of all the uneducated people who can’t tell the left apart and how it’s the young men’s fault for being influenced by masculinity etc.? No oh so it’s not covering all angles then?! 😅😅😅 |
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Post by neilj on Nov 12, 2024 13:38:01 GMT
oh so it’s not covering all angles then?! 😅😅😅 No, just reasoned based...you'd hate it |
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Post by graham on Nov 12, 2024 13:40:16 GMT
Justin Welby seems to be in serious trouble regarding failure to deal with abuse allegations committed by John Smyth at Christian summer camps related to Winchester College in the 1970s and 1980s.Difficult to see him surviving .
I do though find it a little difficult to understand why 17 /18 year olds - sometimes older - felt unable to report the guy themselves to the police and other authorities at the time or shortly after the events described.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 13:42:42 GMT
mark61 More on the religious faith in science, which seems to be quite keen among activists, given their religiosity. I pointed out on the old board, an article in the New Scientist, talking about how many papers in medical and nutritional research are flawed. Quite often they do observational studies. But the samples they use may be skewed, not have a balanced selection of people. So just as they would in polling, they adjust the samples to try and make them representative. But this process may well be flawed. This is one reason why you can get one study saying red wine is good for you, and another saying it’s bad for you. Depending on how you adjust a sample, you can get different results Charles joined in because he used to evaluate medical research in his career, and pointed to additional issues.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 13:44:26 GMT
oh so it’s not covering all angles then?! 😅😅😅 No, just reasoned based...you'd hate it How can you say that when I post on this board and read all your posts! And give them likes… |
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Post by graham on Nov 12, 2024 13:48:01 GMT
In the absence of our normal football correspondents quick mention of Gary Lineker leaving MOTD. In addition to obviously being a world class footballer he's also one of of the best football commentators. Unlike many footballers and commentators from the UK when he's worked overseas he's made efforts to integrate, his Spanish is about as good as mine was when working in Spain i.e. Ok, sufficient for commentary on Spanish tv and I understand his Japanese isn't bad either. Lineker clearly has interests outside of football and hopefully we'll hear more from him in non sporting activities. Here he is discussing his time at Barca youtu.be/MEVerfvd0CE?si=su2mSqoMHjrpiOrHI have no interest in football at all , but whilst I like Lineker as a person he has never struck me as a natural broadcaster at all. I certainly recall press comment about his very poor performance when he replaced Desmond Lynam in the late 1990s. I never understood why the BBC spent so much on him when others far more naturally talented as broadcaster would have done the job for a fraction of his fee. |
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Post by shevii on Nov 12, 2024 14:03:25 GMT
Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️⚧️ @leftiestats ❗️ NEW: Tories LEAD in first poll of Badenoch era 🟦 CON 29% (+3) 🟥 LAB 27% (-1) 🟪 REF 19% (+1) 🟧 LD 11% (-3) 🟩 GRN 8% (-) Via @moreincommon_ , 8-11 Nov (+/- vs 1 Nov) Can we have a new thread now, please. Yes please! The Techne might be better as it's more alligned to most other pollsters. MIC is definitely more of an outlier in that respect- maybe it's my imagination but so often it seems like the more Labour leaning papers and organisations seem to have less good results for Labour. Why on earth yougov haven't done any polling intention since the election is hard to understand. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 14:16:15 GMT
mark61 Another issue, is that sometimes the research is technically correct, but can give a misleading impression. A while back, I pointed to some research in the Lancet. And it was evaluating peoples exposure to pollution in different transport situations. Public transport versus being in a car et cetera. And it concluded that it wasn’t much worse to go on public transport. But when you look at the details, you saw that they only compared with cars not using close circuit air-conditioning. In other words, the occupants in the cars may be exposed to the outside air nearly as much as people on public public transport. Of course, if you used closed cycle air-conditioning instead, it could’ve been rather different… Additionally, you might might like to reflect on the fact that I have talked about these concerns relating to science a number of times on the board over the years, and the actual scientists don’t tend to have a problem with it. What I’m saying, isn’t actually very controversial. On the old board, other scientists like Andrew3, who was a Geo engineer, would back me up.
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Post by Danny on Nov 12, 2024 14:20:14 GMT
How many lives are damaged by massive rising rents and property prices that has occurred under the kind of economics the Guardian supported? What sort of economic policy is that, exactly? Ostensibly its a NIMBY one, no building next to me! But you have to ask when the consequences of a housing shortage are so obvious, why dont we prevent it by the simple expedient of granting planning permissions? Sure it would be much better if the state sponsors building, but theres plenty of private individuals who would have built homes on a one off basis -as used to happen - if the consent system allowed it. Its interesting on my estate, originally laid out in a very land unintensive way, many if not most of the houses have expanded within their original plots, but even odd corners of land originally left for public use have been sold off and built on. There is demand out there for one off plots for people who like the idea of building themsleves, or as used to be small building companies. BUt planning mostly has disallowed that from happening. Just what sort of economic strategy is that? |
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Post by Danny on Nov 12, 2024 14:43:36 GMT
Is this not a bit of a red herring, the point about the Science is you can examine the research , check the methodology, and in this way Credentialism is important because you can factor in the track record of the Company, University, or R&D department producing the paper. So when a group with a solid record produce some research or scientific conclusions i am likely to give weight to that compared to someone blogging from his mum's back bedroom. Sometimes you come across as a bit of a Red Pill Male! I dont think thats what he meant by credentialism. He meant you can go to the University of Bexhill and get a degree in theoretical physics and then you will be deemed competent to give expert opinion and advise on the construction of the next hydrogen fusion plant. Solely because you have the piece of paper, never mind you never did an original piece of research in your life. Whereas someone else, who somehow ran a research lab generating useful discoveries, Alexander Graham Bell for example, had a very chequered life where he seems to have dabbled in education from Edinburgh university and London though without qualifying in anything, but regardless becoming a teacher and then professor at Boston University. On the back of his father's interests and research into deafness, which Bell himself took up. So essentially, self taught or taught by his father and then accepted academically without formal pieces of paper. On his record. Credentialism is preferring the graduate because he is a graduate rather than the guy who invented the telephone. |
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Post by turk on Nov 12, 2024 14:48:30 GMT
I don’t have any opinion of abortion in the US or anywhere else as a man it seems to me that abortion is the sole domain of women to make any decision regarding abortion of there foetus .
For those somewhat hysterical comments on here regarding Trump and abortion perhaps it should be said Trump has all ready stated when he becomes President he will not sign any anti abortion law into federal law stating he is content to let individual states make there own decisions regarding abortion law.
At present 14 states have a blanket ban. 2 states have a legal gestation limit of 6-18 weeks the other 34 abide by the Roe -Wide act of 1973
However the 24 week ruling is not a right and is difficult to obtain and represent only 1% of abortions the normal limit being 21 weeks.
The US records about a million abortions a year
Those states that have banned abortion have as far as I’m aware have all held a vote on the matter and the people in those states voted for the ban, so regardless of your personal view they were legally democratic .Although these states will face legal challenges to these bans.
Of course the American constitution safe guards a woman’s right to travel from one state to another state for an abortion ,some of those states require a parent’s permission if under 18 however if under 18 you may qualify for a judicial bypass if you don’t want or can’t get parental permission.
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Post by Danny on Nov 12, 2024 14:52:56 GMT
Justin Welby seems to be in serious trouble regarding failure to deal with abuse allegations committed by John Smyth at Christian summer camps related to Winchester College in the 1970s and 1980s.Difficult to see him surviving . I do though find it a little difficult to understand why 17 /18 year olds - sometimes older - felt unable to report the guy themselves to the police and other authorities at the time or shortly after the events described. News item said the guy was going round telling people they needed to be beaten for their sins, and carrying it out. Has to be said that has been mainstream christian teaching over the centuries. I think this was a then 19 year old. You have to wonder if this then comes under consensual acts between adults. I dont get whats going on. Welby seems determined to stick to his position, which maybe suggests there is more to this behind the scenes. But all in all, bad news for the church of England. The recent coronation is becoming rather an odd occasion, considering the cast of VIP participants. |
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Post by moby on Nov 12, 2024 14:54:15 GMT
Lots of people have a science background PJ, it doesn’t mean they understand the science. Even at Oxford, most struggled with the science, which is why they end up in management, or indeed politics even, not pursuing science as a career. this is the problem with credentialism. Passing exams does not guarantee ability, when exams are designed to be passed by most people regardless. Even working in the industry, making ice cream, doesn’t mean that you will understand complex climate modelling. it is the case that it is a shame that things like climate change get politicised, however, sadly it is quite inevitable. Dealing with climate change can challenge some political models, since it may require quite a lot of state action that some are not keen on. It can also be potentially quite an earner for some researchers, and indeed industries. Some who would like to keep the working class down by deindustrialising, may also not be keen on having copious energy supplies. It can be an earner for middle-class people too who are not in the sector, investing in energy schemes, and so on. Medicine is another area of science that gets politicised, as we saw in the pandemic. Sometimes you come across as a bit of a Red Pill Male! I think he must have swallowed the whole bloody bottle this morning. 🤔 |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 14:58:45 GMT
Sometimes you come across as a bit of a Red Pill Male! I think he must have swallowed the whole bloody bottle this morning. 🤔 Not as much as all that fizz of yours Mobes… 🥂 |
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Post by moby on Nov 12, 2024 14:59:50 GMT
I don’t have any opinion of abortion in the US or anywhere else as a man it seems to me that abortion is the sole domain of women to make any decision regarding abortion of there foetus . For those somewhat hysterical comments on here regarding Trump and abortion perhaps it should be said Trump has all ready stated when he becomes President he will not sign any anti abortion law into federal law stating he is content to let individual states make there own decisions regarding abortion law. At present 14 states have a blanket ban. 2 states have a legal gestation limit of 6-18 weeks the other 34 abide by the Roe -Wide act of 1973 However the 24 week ruling is not a right and is difficult to obtain and represent only 1% of abortions the normal limit being 21 weeks. The US records about a million abortions a year Those states that have banned abortion have as far as I’m aware have all held a vote on the matter and the people in those states voted for the ban, so regardless of your personal view they were legally democratic .Although these states will face legal challenges to these bans. Of course the American constitution safe guards a woman’s right to travel from one state to another state for an abortion ,some of those states require a parent’s permission if under 18 however if under 18 you may qualify for a judicial bypass if you don’t want or can’t get parental permission. 'According to the latest data from the Guttmacher Institute’s Monthly Abortion Provision Study, the proportion of patients traveling to other states to obtain abortion care has doubled in recent years, reaching nearly one in five in the first half of 2023, compared with one in 10 in 2020.* This surge in travel has largely been driven by post–Roe v. Wade abortion bans and restrictions'. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 15:08:57 GMT
Is this not a bit of a red herring, the point about the Science is you can examine the research , check the methodology, and in this way Credentialism is important because you can factor in the track record of the Company, University, or R&D department producing the paper. So when a group with a solid record produce some research or scientific conclusions i am likely to give weight to that compared to someone blogging from his mum's back bedroom. Sometimes you come across as a bit of a Red Pill Male! I dont think thats what he meant by credentialism. He meant you can go to the University of Bexhill and get a degree in theoretical physics and then you will be deemed competent to give expert opinion and advise on the construction of the next hydrogen fusion plant. Solely because you have the piece of paper, never mind you never did an original piece of research in your life. Whereas someone else, who somehow ran a research lab generating useful discoveries, Alexander Graham Bell for example, had a very chequered life where he seems to have dabbled in education from Edinburgh university and London though without qualifying in anything, but regardless becoming a teacher and then professor at Boston University. On the back of his father's interests and research into deafness, which Bell himself took up. So essentially, self taught or taught by his father and then accepted academically without formal pieces of paper. On his record. Credentialism is preferring the graduate because he is a graduate rather than the guy who invented the telephone. Thanks Danny. It is indeed partly a recognition that a layperson can do useful things scientifically. And also that just because a whole bunch of scientists with a track record say something, doesn’t mean it must be true. when the doctor on the old board challenged me over infection rates, I had to point out to him that he was using antibody data wrong. A credentialist would chastise me for not deferring to the doctor with more experience. In fact the doctor ceded the point. In hospital, when I told a doctor he was about to use the wrong anaesthetic, he didn’t say what the fuck do you know. He asked me why. So I told him why, and he asked me what I suggested instead. So I told him what to use instead, and he used it. Now admittedly, he did begin with a somewhat dismissive tone, but in the end, he could see I had a point. It’s the people who don’t do so much science, who struggle with this as they are very dependent on credentialism. a problem with credentialism is when it protects those who are less capable in particular instances, or even wrong. And people being able to teach themselves can stir up a lot of indignation from those committed to the middle-class version of demarcation. |
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Post by graham on Nov 12, 2024 15:27:16 GMT
Justin Welby has resigned!
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 12, 2024 15:34:05 GMT
Justin Welby has resigned! Good. He has made too many mistakes during his time at Lambeth Palace (and before). He even wanted to make the awful Paula Vennells, Bishop of London. Sometimes Christians can be too trusting of others who profess to be Christians. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 12, 2024 15:39:59 GMT
How many lives are damaged by massive rising rents and property prices that has occurred under the kind of economics the Guardian supported? What sort of economic policy is that, exactly? Ostensibly its a NIMBY one, no building next to me! But you have to ask when the consequences of a housing shortage are so obvious, why dont we prevent it by the simple expedient of granting planning permissions? Sure it would be much better if the state sponsors building, but theres plenty of private individuals who would have built homes on a one off basis -as used to happen - if the consent system allowed it. Its interesting on my estate, originally laid out in a very land unintensive way, many if not most of the houses have expanded within their original plots, but even odd corners of land originally left for public use have been sold off and built on. There is demand out there for one off plots for people who like the idea of building themsleves, or as used to be small building companies. BUt planning mostly has disallowed that from happening. Just what sort of economic strategy is that? it’s a policy that lets people who lack fizz and can’t make more money in the conventional way - by coming up with new stuff, being entrepreneurial et cetera - to make it by inflating assets. Which was quite appealing to some MPs of course… |
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 12, 2024 15:43:37 GMT
Mark Can we have a new thread now, please. Yes please! The Techne might be better as it's more alligned to most other pollsters. MIC is definitely more of an outlier in that respect- maybe it's my imagination but so often it seems like the more Labour leaning papers and organisations seem to have less good results for Labour. Why on earth yougov haven't done any polling intention since the election is hard to understand.No only YouGov but Ipsos-MORI, Verian (was Kantar Public), Redfield & Wilton, Savanta, and Survation to name six of the regular pollsters before the election. My own suspicion is that they have all realised that they have problems with their sampling and are not issuing new polls until they are confident they have fixed them. I'm rather more dubious of most of the polls since the GE. |
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