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Post by steve on Nov 5, 2024 12:33:43 GMT
If this turns out to be a 300+ electoral college votes win for the democrats, which I think is entirely possible, Nate Silver will be claiming he called it right.
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Post by Danny on Nov 5, 2024 12:37:31 GMT
but nobody seems to know much beyond that the polls are probably wrong. Theyr not wrong, its just they cannot be sufficiently accurate to predict the outcome with such closely matched sides. Yes, but just as in britain where neither lab or con have managed to create public excitement, the US doesnt seem to like either party much really. Corbyn was very attractive to a certain group of voters, and had he won an election he could have ruled very well...but for this to happen the right of the party would have had to make some sort of truce where both sides agreed on policy, which would then have been some sort of leftish compromise. As it was the labour right perferred to lose an election rather than see him as PM. In the US its quite possible republicans do not like Trump and wish he didnt exist, but he used the primary system to become the candidate and they are stuck with him. However its true, he too has a base of support, though his is more akin to that of Farage here. Thing is, you could argue that while Corbyn is on the left and Farage on the right, they are actually both appealing to a group who might have been traditional labour voters but are now alienated. Its not just that Trump has a personal following, but that following is significantly taken from the traditional dem camp. She however doesnt have much of a cause to enthuse voters at all. Just, business as before. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 5, 2024 12:43:02 GMT
If this turns out to be a 300+ electoral college votes win for the democrats, which I think is entirely possible, Nate Silver will be claiming he called it right. The only surprise would be a landslide win one way or the other. |
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Post by xanadan on Nov 5, 2024 12:47:19 GMT
I came here for insight into the election...but everyone was discussing education.
Then I was going to make a comment about education - but its a really difficult thing that I have been thinking about for 20 years now and I am still not sure I have any viable solutions.
Basically it boils down the Bloom's 2 sigma problem. If you are given private 1 to 1 tuition, then you perform up to 2 sds better than you would have done in a class of 30. But we can't afford private tuition for all. Private schools have small classes, this improves results and probably leads to (sometimes) mistaken feelings of superiority.
AI might be a solution but it hallucinates and we don't really know why or how to solve it. Even if AI is teaching you 1 to 1 where is the engagement? So make it a game.. possible but expensive... Probably the next venture I will be setting up in a couple of years when it becomes viable.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 12:50:06 GMT
moby With fewer MP's than the Tories the lib dems managed to find someone far more suited as justice spokesperson. I came across something online, claiming that the Tory selection process had been been penetrated and compromised by some foreign agencies who were ensuring they selected duff candidates. (And yes, ordinarily one might dismiss this as a crazy conspiracy theory, but when you see who gets selected… …mind you, people online think Starmer is a WEF plant. And ordinarily you might think this too is a crazy conspiracy theory, however…) |
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Post by steve on Nov 5, 2024 12:51:06 GMT
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I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see Harris significantly overperform the polls.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 13:00:07 GMT
I came here for insight into the election...but everyone was discussing education. Then I was going to make a comment about education - but its a really difficult thing that I have been thinking about for 20 years now and I am still not sure I have any viable solutions. Basically it boils down the Bloom's 2 sigma problem. If you are given private 1 to 1 tuition, then you perform up to 2 sds better than you would have done in a class of 30. But we can't afford private tuition for all. Private schools have small classes, this improves results and probably leads to (sometimes) mistaken feelings of superiority. AI might be a solution but it hallucinates and we don't really know why or how to solve it. Even if AI is teaching you 1 to 1 where is the engagement? So make it a game.. possible but expensive... Probably the next venture I will be setting up in a couple of years when it becomes viable. Interesting post Xanadan. We don’t often talk about education on here, in fact, to my surprise, I have found that no matter where I have discussed things online, education, rarely features much. Regarding the one-to-one tuition thing, I’ve only seen people who didn’t go to private school talk about this as a potential advantage: in my experience, whether you were in a class of 12 at private school or a class of 30 at a state school, either way you didn’t get much personal attention. What you did get at private school, as a result of smaller classes, was more homework, because teachers only have 12 lots of homework to mark, not 30. This can move you along faster, however, this revealed another drawback of going to private school, at least going to boarding school: you didn’t have your parents to help you with homework unlike some state school pupils. (Obviously only some state school pupils). And they weren’t hiring personal tuition either. You were on your own, competing with the state school pupils with aspirant parents, some of whom might have lots of help in the evenings. (even worse, at boarding school they tended to send you to bed early, so you didn’t have much time to do the homework anyway. In fact you’re not allowed to do much at all, so you spend more of the day and weekends studying instead. That’s where some of the advantage comes from, if you can call it that – lack of distractions. This can help with results at A-levels, but then can become a problem at university, when private school pupils get let off the leash for the first time, and don’t work as hard as a result. Leading to poorer performance at uni. than state schoolers) anyway, there is a selection of details that tend to get left out of comparisons. Regarding your final point, I do think the possibility of everyone having their own AI personal tutor is fascinating, and may even disrupt conventional education. But it’s hard to see how it plays out… |
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Post by bardin1 on Nov 5, 2024 13:18:02 GMT
Interesting post Xanadan. We don’t often talk about education on here, in fact, to my surprise, I have found that no matter where I have discussed things online, education, rarely features much. Regarding the one-to-one tuition thing, I’ve only seen people who didn’t go to private school talk about this as a potential advantage: in my experience, whether you were in a class of 12 at private school or a class of 30 at a state school, either way you didn’t get much personal attention. What you did get at private school, as a result of smaller classes, was more homework, because teachers only have 12 lots of homework to mark, not 30. However, this revealed another drawback of going to private school, at least going to boarding school: you didn’t have your parents to help you with homework unlike some state school pupils. (Obviously only some state school pupils). And they weren’t hiring personal tuition either. You were on your own, competing with the state schools pupils with aspirant parents, some of whom might have lots of help in the evenings. (even worse, at boarding school they tended to send you to bed early, so you didn’t have much time to do the homework anyway. In fact you’re not allowed to do much at all, so you spend more of the day and weekends studying instead. That’s where some of the advantage comes from, if you can call it that – lack of distractions. This can help with results at A-levels, but then can become a problem at university, when private school pupils get let off the leash for the first time, and don’t work as hard as a result. Leading to poorer performance at uni. than state schoolers) anyway, there is a selection of details that tend to get left out of comparisons. Regarding your final point, I do think the possibility of everyone having their own AI personal tutor is fascinating, and may even disrupt conventional education. But it’s hard to see how it plays out… Another thing you get in private schools is an extensive range of extra curricular activity esp. sports and arts, school trips, which better prepares you for the social and cultural challenges of the workplace. Another is simply the cachet of having been there, a conversational piece and an entry into elite circles, internships, summer jobs with private sector employers |
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Post by guymonde on Nov 5, 2024 13:21:40 GMT
I don't swallow the propaganda put about by the private school industry. More equal funding will bring about a more equal outcome. What propaganda? Private sector says exactly that if you spend more you get better results. Its pretty much their reason for existing. And you seem to agree its correct. Of course the propaganda as repeated above is that those who can afford it will just play the state system and remain on the top of the pile. Read the rest of what I wrote |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 13:28:49 GMT
Interesting post Xanadan. We don’t often talk about education on here, in fact, to my surprise, I have found that no matter where I have discussed things online, education, rarely features much. Regarding the one-to-one tuition thing, I’ve only seen people who didn’t go to private school talk about this as a potential advantage: in my experience, whether you were in a class of 12 at private school or a class of 30 at a state school, either way you didn’t get much personal attention. What you did get at private school, as a result of smaller classes, was more homework, because teachers only have 12 lots of homework to mark, not 30. However, this revealed another drawback of going to private school, at least going to boarding school: you didn’t have your parents to help you with homework unlike some state school pupils. (Obviously only some state school pupils). And they weren’t hiring personal tuition either. You were on your own, competing with the state schools pupils with aspirant parents, some of whom might have lots of help in the evenings. (even worse, at boarding school they tended to send you to bed early, so you didn’t have much time to do the homework anyway. In fact you’re not allowed to do much at all, so you spend more of the day and weekends studying instead. That’s where some of the advantage comes from, if you can call it that – lack of distractions. This can help with results at A-levels, but then can become a problem at university, when private school pupils get let off the leash for the first time, and don’t work as hard as a result. Leading to poorer performance at uni. than state schoolers) anyway, there is a selection of details that tend to get left out of comparisons. Regarding your final point, I do think the possibility of everyone having their own AI personal tutor is fascinating, and may even disrupt conventional education. But it’s hard to see how it plays out… Another thing you get in private schools is an extensive range of extra curricular activity esp. sports and arts, school trips, which better prepares you for the social and cultural challenges of the workplace. Another is simply the cachet of having been there, a conversational piece and an entry into elite circles, internships, summer jobs with private sector employers Yes, I have talked about some of that before. there are a lot more resources, however in practice, you may not get to avail yourself of many of them. Teachers tended to pick their favourite few. Our school had an observatory, and I would’ve loved to have been able to use that given my interest in space, but there was no way they were letting me near it! Some resources everybody got to take advantage of though, like all the playing fields. some resources teachers keep to themselves mostly, though I managed to wangle access to the computer link! There weren’t that many trips: maybe it’s because it was a boarding school, and they were in loco parentis or something? Some things that we got rather more than other schools: particularly military related stuff, as our school was big on that. As for the cachet, old school tie thing, again, this seems to be something that people who didn’t go claim? There was definitely some of that in going to Oxford, but not in going to my school, and I went to a well-known one that was in the top 10 nationally. This is mainly because: there aren’t enough of us. There were only 150 in my year, some of them came from abroad: I’ve never met anyone from my school out in the workplace. Whereas I came across lots of people from Oxford. In certain specific sectors, like politics, where there is a smallish cadre, then, maybe yes, the old school tie like being to Eton may help. But for doing something like music technology teaching or working in the arts sector?: eff-all use. Going to Oxford though… even in just the first institution I worked in, in further education - my head of school went to Oxford, as did the deputy principal. (And other colleagues…) |
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Post by colin on Nov 5, 2024 13:30:12 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 13:30:43 GMT
What propaganda? Private sector says exactly that if you spend more you get better results. Its pretty much their reason for existing. And you seem to agree its correct. Of course the propaganda as repeated above is that those who can afford it will just play the state system and remain on the top of the pile. Read the rest of what I wrote I wasn’t using that as an argument to defend private schools though. Just pointing out that if you really want to deal with privilege, you mightn’t stop at private schools. |
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Post by guymonde on Nov 5, 2024 13:33:16 GMT
What propaganda? Private sector says exactly that if you spend more you get better results. Its pretty much their reason for existing. And you seem to agree its correct. Of course the propaganda as repeated above is that those who can afford it will just play the state system and remain on the top of the pile. Read the rest of what I wrote Apologies to c-a-r-f-r-e-w - I didn't read him properly (or my preconceptions took over) As to private schools having more extra curricular etc - true but for me it was outweighed by the absence of any real education about the world as it is experienced by everyone else, especially people of different classes/incomes, the other sex, different races etc. I was personally let out into the world of university without a clue about how the world worked, or what I was supposed to do. I was well educated in school subjects (and some other things that the school cared about - rugby, cricket, army) but it took me several years (or perhaps a lifetime) to approach a normal relationship to the world. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 13:38:16 GMT
Of course the propaganda as repeated above is that those who can afford it will just play the state system and remain on the top of the pile. Read the rest of what I wrote Apologies to c-a-r-f-r-e-w - I didn't read him properly (or my preconceptions took over) As to private schools having more extra curricular etc - true but for me it was outweighed by the absence of any real education about the world as it is experienced by everyone else, especially people of different classes/incomes, the other sex, different races etc. I was personally let out into the world of university without a clue about how the world worked, or what I was supposed to do. I was well educated in school subjects (and some other things that the school cared about - rugby, cricket, army) but it took me several years (or perhaps a lifetime) to approach a normal relationship to the world. no probs Guymonde, and yes I sympathise with what you are saying. It was a little different for me as I had been to state school first, and had older friends at home who used to take me out and about a lot, sometimes driving over to the school to sneak me out for a night out, and Mum got me a job working at a factory in the hols, but even so… |
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Post by colin on Nov 5, 2024 13:43:02 GMT
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Post by guymonde on Nov 5, 2024 13:59:03 GMT
no probs Guymonde, and yes I sympathise with what you are saying. It was a little different for me as I had been to state school first, and had older friends at home who used to take me out and about a lot, sometimes driving over to the school to sneak me out for a night out, but even so… My school was 100 miles from home in the wilds of the pennines(ish) so any of that was a bit tricky. This reminded me of my sex education. We waited for the revelation of the 'Doctor's talk' which took place when I think we reached the 6th form, one evening. We attended a classroom in the main school and the school doctor stood at the front. "I'm not going into the mechanics for you because you will have heard it from your friends. Just don't do it until you're married. If you do, you'll get a girl in trouble and you'll very likely catch VD" He may have said more but I don't remember any more! |
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Post by patrickbrian on Nov 5, 2024 14:08:59 GMT
My daughter went to a fairly standard state school, big classes, bunked off lessons, smoked weed and went clubbing etc. her husband went to a posh public school (Latymer's). They met at university. Intellectually there doesn't seem much difference between them, although he is much more confident in that public school way. They are both competent in their jobs and caring parents. She earns more than him. They will send their daughter to state schools. Just anecdotal of course. But maybe school isn't that big a deal really after all....
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Post by guymonde on Nov 5, 2024 14:14:59 GMT
My daughter went to a fairly standard state school, big classes, bunked off lessons, smoked weed and went clubbing etc. her husband went to a posh public school (Latymer's). They met at university. Intellectually there doesn't seem much difference between them, although he is much more confident in that public school way. They are both competent in their jobs and caring parents. She earns more than him. They will send their daughter to state schools. Just anecdotal of course. But maybe school isn't that big a deal really after all.... My ex-wife went to state school (A technical school which meant she passed 11+) and I went to a public boarding boys school. We ended up similar income most of our careers. I wanted state education for daughter. Wife wanted private secondary and daughter went there. It was awful (actually closed soon after) and it had a very negative impact on daughter though she got decent A-level results. Bit like her dad! |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 14:29:38 GMT
Don’t know what proportion used to be British companies. But the number is 30 percent up on part year, a rather rapid increase. Has the number of Brit companies brimg bought out by the US increased that fast? Or have a lot of US companies set up here, possibly as a hedge against a Trump victory? Possibly as a hedge no matter who gets in? (Or they are after our leet computer skills Pete!) |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 14:36:19 GMT
A Level grades are now massively inflated compared with those awarded until the end of the 1980s under the former Relative Marking system Many students awarded A grades today would have struggled to obtain C grades in the past, whilst those now receiving D and E grades would not have passed the exam at all. Until the late 80s 30% of A Level students failed even to gain a grade E - now the figure is under 2%. Yet these students are still invited on to 'degree' courses - though many are of the Mickey Mouse kind. I really have no way of knowing but it seems to be that children taking A-Levels do a hell of a lot more work than I did. Well if it’s coursework, they might be competing with those whose parents or others do it for them. (Or increasingly use AI. Even just access to the internet can raise the bar, as you can get more help and info online) |
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Post by laszlo4new on Nov 5, 2024 14:38:04 GMT
Because of the discussion on education.
Well, as I was educated in Hungary (no private schools back then), it is more difficult to me to fully engage (my relatives on the British side (mainly women - men went to apprenticeship except for two mainly went to Catholic schools - except for the most recent generations).
In Hungary elementary schools (6-14) got their pupils from the area, hence that was the most important factor - the parents and the close neighbours (in my school there were 1,000 kids at the peak, now it is around 500). But because of the pressures of the surrounding area, massive extra effort made the school outstanding.
At 14 one had to decide to go to grammar schools (4 years), vocational high schools (4 years) or vocational school (3 years).
Because of family uncertainties I wasn't allowed to go to a grammar school (as one didn't have qualification from that).
All grammar schools and most vocational high schools required entrance exam. The one I chose didn't, they only had a half day event (including a long interview) to judge whether the kid fits the culture of the school. It was one of the leading economics secondary school in the country (including a third of the pupils being effectively boarding - hostel).
I qualified at 18 as qualified accountant and financial employee. A third of the students then went to university (I did too) - they had to take an entrance exam (boys needed lower score because of the need of military service).
It changed towards the end of the 1980s - a number of earlier prestigious schools declined due to the lack of resources.
Today, it is even worse in Hungary - no resources, no teachers, privatisation of universities. Some religious schools are OK, and private schools train kids for studying abroad.
Oddly, my old elementary school is still outstanding, but it is because of the sensitivity to economic changes when adding material to the general curriculum (German 15 years ago, English now, sports 15 years go, computer technology now).
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Post by laszlo4new on Nov 5, 2024 14:44:31 GMT
Just to add - about 10 years ago I advised a state secondary school in Merseyside. The advice sought was on a completely different subject, but as I spent about 80 hours with the staff, I talked about my two schools and also about engagement of parents in "education" in the school. Quite a bit of it was implemented and the school is getting better and better reputation.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 14:54:21 GMT
Interviewee on the US election observing there is an educational divide where those with degrees are more likely democrats. Superficially this might suggest education turns you leftwards, but the reality may well be education is simply a marker the person is likely to have a better job and those with better jobs are turning dem. whereas the left behind, just as first time round, old post industrial areas, falling real wages for manual workers, are those disaffected by the system who therefore go trump. A voter interviewed earlier said they were for Trump because he was the only one who would help them. You might put it this way: that Dems are favourable to some careers more than others, that’s why those careers pay better, and those benefiting vote for them as a result. (Whereas something like manufacturing has taken a hit from right-wing free-trade policies, that’s why they don’t earn so much. Though for some decades, right wing, free-trade policies took over both main parties, favouring some careers over others…) Interviewee on the US election observing there is an educational divide where those with degrees are more likely democrats. Superficially this might suggest education turns you leftwards, but the reality may well be education is simply a marker the person is likely to have a better job and those with better jobs are turning dem. whereas the left behind, just as first time round, old post industrial areas, falling real wages for manual workers, are those disaffected by the system who therefore go trump. A voter interviewed earlier said they were for Trump because he was the only one who would help them. This is exactly the same as in the UK where Farage has stolen traditional manual working class labour voters. The interviewee said the democrats desperately need to address how they have lost this blok of voters and do something about it. Its pretty obvious labour needs to do the same, but little sign it is. They have hiked the minimum wage, which is an important step, but it really needs to come up fast to being a realistic living wage. The evidence since minimum wage was reintroduced has been that it has not caused unemployment, merely boosted wages for those previously poorest paid. Obvious advantages in making work more attractive compared to benefits, and the serious problem that benefits have to be set at a minimum living wage level...which makes working insane if it pays worse than benefits. I have noticed that among more Reform-minded pundits online, they are starting to portray labour as the party of the public sector elite, rather than the working class. Policies like the minimum wage are only sticking plasters compared to creating and supporting proper manufacturing jobs for example. (They’re also complaining of other sectors taking a hit, like retail, hospitality, and small business…) |
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 5, 2024 14:59:47 GMT
I've been coming on here to check on the USA elections - thanks EOR in particular! - but nobody seems to know much beyond that the polls are probably wrong. I don't think we even know that! |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 15:03:53 GMT
Which was that only half as many people went to university, so they could be better funded on less money. Though its very arguable too many people are currently going to univeristy, so the money is being wasted. There also seems to be a problem that teaching standards in universities have fallen considerably. Far less contact time with staff. Students told to go off and watch or research stuff online, which makes you wonder why they need to be at an expensive university at all. The whole education system seems to have moved awy from education being a presentation of established knowledge, to one where students are expected to discover stuff for themselves. That’s an argument Americans often make: that unless it’s something like STEM, where you need access to labs and equipment, for many subjects you can study them in your spare time, you don’t need to do a degree. (When I first taught media theory, I hadn’t studied it formally, I just read the books. Then I had some tutorial groups for the first time: in the end of year exams, they averaged 10% higher than the other students, whose lecturers were supposed to be more specialist in the area*. Even when it came to the practical stuff, it wasn’t necessarily the lecturers who did much of the teaching in practice, but the technicians doing one-to-one) * (although to do the stats, that was a sample of about 30 out of a population of about 350, so the margin of error was about 17%) |
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 5, 2024 15:11:30 GMT
I don’t think that is right at all. I have no doubt whatsoever that the great majority of people have the intellectual capacity to work at degree level. And it is not just in their interests but our collective interests that they should be encouraged and enabled to do so. Educational ideas and teaching/learning methods have improved vastly since the seventies as have technologies and access to knowledge. And it is perhaps the last point that is most important. Now that the world’s knowledge is available at most people’s fingertips, it is becoming vitally important that people develop the critical skills and understanding that enable them to use it properly and effectively. A Level grades are now massively inflated compared with those awarded until the end of the 1980s under the former Relative Marking system Many students awarded A grades today would have struggled to obtain C grades in the past, whilst those now receiving D and E grades would not have passed the exam at all. Until the late 80s 30% of A Level students failed even to gain a grade E - now the figure is under 2%. Yet these students are still invited on to 'degree' courses - though many are of the Mickey Mouse kind. Not only "A" levels but degrees too. |
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Post by neilj on Nov 5, 2024 15:22:08 GMT
That's a little Reductio ad absurdum, similar to saying we know some perform above average so all can perform above average, it doesn't work in real life If you pour extra resources into a child's education they will on average do better But of course there will always be exceptions and that includes schools |
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Post by bardin1 on Nov 5, 2024 15:28:21 GMT
Yes, I have talked about some of that before. there are a lot more resources, however in practice, you may not get to avail yourself of many of them. Teachers tended to pick their favourite few. Our school had an observatory, and I would’ve loved to have been able to use that given my interest in space, but there was no way they were letting me near it! Some resources everybody got to take advantage of though, like all the playing fields. some resources teachers keep to themselves mostly, though I managed to wangle access to the computer link! There weren’t that many trips: maybe it’s because it was a boarding school, and they were in loco parentis or something? Some things that we got rather more than other schools: particularly military related stuff, as our school was big on that. As for the cachet, old school tie thing, again, this seems to be something that people who didn’t go claim? There was definitely some of that in going to Oxford, but not in going to my school, and I went to a well-known one that was in the top 10 nationally. This is mainly because: there aren’t enough of us. There were only 150 in my year, some of them came from abroad: I’ve never met anyone from my school out in the workplace. Whereas I came across lots of people from Oxford. In certain specific sectors, like politics, where there is a smallish cadre, then, maybe yes, the old school tie like being to Eton may help. But for doing something like music technology teaching or working in the arts sector?: eff-all use. Going to Oxford though… even in just the first institution I worked in, in further education - my head of school went to Oxford, as did the deputy principal. (And other colleagues…) When I referred to the cachet it was not so much the old school tie (through there was a bit of that when I went to University then work back in the 70s/ 80s) it was more that there is a lingua franca between private school educated young people who generally had shared experiences (ski holidays, rugby, outdoor sports, cars, work experience in their parents businesses etc) which set them apart from us state educated kids/ students/ work starters. I went to the biggest comprehensive in Europe at the time - 800 in our year and 10 of us went to university. I hated it (had a big chip on my shoulder about class, English people, you name it) and didn't really get the benefit I should have from it (eg did not go to freshers week, joined no clubs or societies except playing extra mural football). I just wasn't geared to fit in with the rest of the students. Mostly my own fault plus my poverty marked upbringing (my mum was a single parent with three boys and a part time job). In contrast my son and daughter both went to state schools in Scotland and England and did not find the same problems so I think things have improved substantially and their university experience was more diverse due to the larger state educated contingent |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 5, 2024 15:38:43 GMT
If you pour extra resources into a child's education they will on average do better But of course there will always be exceptions and that includes schools there is also selection to consider - public schools have entrance exams and how well you do determines which schools you can apply for. State schools can have selection indirectly via catchment area. There are other factors: my school used to be in the top 10 nationally, but slid quite some way down the rankings after it decided to pursue international qualifications that they felt were better for the pupils, but which gave them far fewer points in the ranking system. (the school used to deliberately take the exams from the hardest exam board, as that could help with uni applications). |
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Post by colin on Nov 5, 2024 15:42:24 GMT
That's a little Reductio ad absurdum, similar to saying we know some perform above average so all can perform above average, it doesn't work in real life If you pour extra resources into a child's education they will on average do better But of course there will always be exceptions and that includes schools No-its saying a few schools in the state sector perform better than many private schools. Working. In Real Life. The question is why , and the answer is clearly not -this is an exception-because , as i have shown in another post , the disparity between the best and the worst state schools is significant. We need to know why there is this disparity. And if we are unwilling to do so then we should stop referring to "state schools" as though they are a homogenous group. Streeting is trying to understand and emulate the performance of the best in NHS . Presumably to improve the worst. Why should Education be different.? |
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