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Post by mark61 on Nov 2, 2024 16:22:16 GMT
Absolutely delighted Kemi Badenoch has been appointed Leader of what I still see as my party. Judging from the bile of the usual suspects on these pages she got a few of you rattled already. Maybe some of you Labour/ Libdem supporters could tell us why the two other major parties in Westminster seem only ever to be capable of electing white male leaders. I can’t believe there are no female candidates who would be just as capable . Maybe it’s just male chauvinism ,women good enough to be ministers but never good enough to be leaders. Hopefully the Tory party it shouldn’t have to much difficulty to re-establish credibility with the voters , there already beginning to rise in the polls and retake council seats and let’s be honest Labour on there present showing aren’t exactly setting a very high bar for any party to jump over. Looking forward for Kemi to establish herself and give that dullard Starmer a run for his money at PMQ. And low and behold, there it is. Comedy gold. Turk is back on here to troll. |
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Post by mark61 on Nov 2, 2024 16:25:46 GMT
Kemi Badenoch, who has said that Robert Jenrick has a "whiff of impropriety" about him, now says he "has a key role to play in our party for many years to come"... To Tories, a "whiff of impropriety" is a plus, not a minus. Those two statements strike me as somewhat incompatible, I guess if asked about this she will probably deny saying one of them. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 2, 2024 16:27:19 GMT
mercian 'Although the Tories burned through PMs when they were in power, all of them got at least one shot at a GE, so you never know. I can't think of a Tory leader (even terrible ones like Michael Howard) who didn't have a go at at least one GE, but I'm sure someone can prove me wrong' Ian Duncan Smith and of course Truss, before them Neville Chamberlain Quite right of course. I must have been getting tired. |
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Post by colin on Nov 2, 2024 16:35:41 GMT
Turk is back on here to troll. And low and behold, there it is. Comedy gold. |
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Post by mark61 on Nov 2, 2024 16:39:21 GMT
Turk is back on here to troll. And low and behold, there it is. Comedy gold. Colin has missed his friend! |
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Post by neilj on Nov 2, 2024 16:40:56 GMT
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Post by turk on Nov 2, 2024 17:02:47 GMT
Mark61
Never mind I’m sure if you ask an adult your find that opinions that differ from yours are allowed ,only adults call it just that a different opinion not trolling. Go on ask your mum I’m sure she will wipe your tears and blow your nose and explain when you grow up that’s what the adults do .
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Post by RAF on Nov 2, 2024 17:10:11 GMT
Extraordinary last 15 min in the Eng v NZ game.
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Post by alec on Nov 2, 2024 17:16:10 GMT
Really hard to get the measure of wtf is happening in the US, but I keep seeing this kind of thing -
Now it could be that the shift in voting patterns since 2020 is muddying the waters here, but elsewhere John Ralston is a highly respected impartial observer with a good record in Nevada, and he has been flagging up some very good Republican early voting data for a long time now.
Unless Democrats pull out a really big turnout on election day, I think they've lost heavily. I've seen this before with UK observers of US politics. Few of us can conceive of a man like Trump gaining support, so we assume enthusiasm, turnout etc all point to a good night for Democrats, but that isn't how it works. It's the Republican registered voters who are keenest to get out, and polls suggest very few of them are voting blue.
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Post by shevii on Nov 2, 2024 17:17:57 GMT
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Post by thylacine on Nov 2, 2024 17:21:48 GMT
Absolutely delighted Kemi Badenoch has been appointed Leader of what I still see as my party. Judging from the bile of the usual suspects on these pages she got a few of you rattled already. Maybe some of you Labour/ Libdem supporters could tell us why the two other major parties in Westminster seem only ever to be capable of electing white male leaders. I can’t believe there are no female candidates who would be just as capable . Maybe it’s just male chauvinism ,women good enough to be ministers but never good enough to be leaders. Hopefully the Tory party it shouldn’t have to much difficulty to re-establish credibility with the voters , there already beginning to rise in the polls and retake council seats and let’s be honest Labour on there present showing aren’t exactly setting a very high bar for any party to jump over. Looking forward for Kemi to establish herself and give that dullard Starmer a run for his money at PMQ. Was not Swinson female? |
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Post by RAF on Nov 2, 2024 17:24:32 GMT
Really hard to get the measure of wtf is happening in the US, but I keep seeing this kind of thing - Now it could be that the shift in voting patterns since 2020 is muddying the waters here, but elsewhere John Ralston is a highly respected impartial observer with a good record in Nevada, and he has been flagging up some very good Republican early voting data for a long time now. Unless Democrats pull out a really big turnout on election day, I think they've lost heavily. I've seen this before with UK observers of US politics. Few of us can conceive of a man like Trump gaining support, so we assume enthusiasm, turnout etc all point to a good night for Democrats, but that isn't how it works. It's the Republican registered voters who are keenest to get out, and polls suggest very few of them are voting blue. I have no problem with the idea Trump can win. However early vote comparisons to 2020 are not likely to be accurate. Firstly, a huge percentage of Dem voters voted by post due to the pandemic. Secondly, we don't know whether those voting early this time around are people who voted on the day last time or are new voters Oh an John Ralston is an undoubted expert but always pessimistic for the Dems. |
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Post by johntel on Nov 2, 2024 17:26:27 GMT
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Post by neilj on Nov 2, 2024 17:33:58 GMT
Really hard to get the measure of wtf is happening in the US, but I keep seeing this kind of thing - Now it could be that the shift in voting patterns since 2020 is muddying the waters here, but elsewhere John Ralston is a highly respected impartial observer with a good record in Nevada, and he has been flagging up some very good Republican early voting data for a long time now. Unless Democrats pull out a really big turnout on election day, I think they've lost heavily. I've seen this before with UK observers of US politics. Few of us can conceive of a man like Trump gaining support, so we assume enthusiasm, turnout etc all point to a good night for Democrats, but that isn't how it works. It's the Republican registered voters who are keenest to get out, and polls suggest very few of them are voting blue. Alec, you are aware Ruffini is a Republican pollster and active Trump supporter who's been tweeting partisan messages throughout the campaign Not sure the evidence supports what he's saying (for example Georgia early turnout gap between women and men continues to widen, and Black turnout at Biden victory level), but certainly in early voting in the rust belt states the Democrats are beating Republicans and around a 10% lead for women over men I would be cautious about what this person says |
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Post by steve on Nov 2, 2024 17:40:35 GMT
alec Would that be the 20+ year veteran republican activist Patrick Ruffini and senior figure in polling company Echelon insights the same right wing biased Echelon insights that's just published a poll showing Trump up 6% in Pennsylvania when pretty much every other pollster has it a dead heat. Or is it a different Patrick Ruffini that might have some credibility as an objective observer.
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 2, 2024 17:51:32 GMT
pjw1961 I suppose my yardstick for royally effing up might be something like Hancock No one trusted her enough to give her one of the big departments of state. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 2, 2024 17:54:56 GMT
And low and behold, there it is. Comedy gold. Turk is back on here to troll. Poor quality trolling though. Much too daft and extreme - everything Labour does is a disaster, all their ministers are clowns, etc., while the failed Tory leadership are supposed to be brilliant. Very silly to anyone who has lived through the last few years. To be effective, attacks needs to be more subtle and have some basis in reality. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 2, 2024 17:58:04 GMT
Really hard to get the measure of wtf is happening in the US, but I keep seeing this kind of thing - "Patrick Ruffini is a Republican Party pollster and political strategist in the United States." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_RuffiniNot exactly an unbiased source. (Edit - others got there first). |
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Post by colin on Nov 2, 2024 18:02:39 GMT
And low and behold, there it is. Comedy gold. Colin has missed his friend! I realise that on UKPR2 " trolling" is saying something positive about the Conservatives .  |
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Post by mercian on Nov 2, 2024 18:06:21 GMT
colin Or quoting a source that they don't like. 
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Post by jib on Nov 2, 2024 18:10:17 GMT
colin Or quoting a source that they don't like. God help you if you do! There is only one truth for some. |
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Post by Rafwan on Nov 2, 2024 18:18:11 GMT
… some people are only happy giving it out. They wilt when a bit comes back their way.
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Post by steve on Nov 2, 2024 18:22:28 GMT
thylacine My vote for the leadership of the lib dems went to Layla Moran who not surprising is female, but is also the first mp of Palestinian descent and the first openly pansexual MP. I suspect Turk might have lost his shit if she'd won. The next lib dem leader almost certainly will be current deputy leader Daisy Cooper
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Post by neilj on Nov 2, 2024 18:25:48 GMT
Colin has missed his friend! I realise that on UKPR2 " trolling" is saying something positive about the Conservatives . I'll look forward to it, but give me plenty of notice, they are such rare occurrences these days I'd hate to miss it 😀 |
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Post by mark61 on Nov 2, 2024 18:26:09 GMT
Mark61 Never mind I’m sure if you ask an adult your find that opinions that differ from yours are allowed ,only adults call it just that a different opinion not trolling. Go on ask your mum I’m sure she will wipe your tears and blow your nose and explain when you grow up that’s what the adults do . Quod erat demonstrandum. |
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Post by steve on Nov 2, 2024 18:26:21 GMT
"There is only one truth for some."
and for some it's "everything, everywhere, all at once", is the junior partner in the coalition government's fault.
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Post by steve on Nov 2, 2024 18:28:50 GMT
mark61Did you just get trolled by a " your mum" joke. How old are people allowed to be and still go to elementary school in texas?
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 2, 2024 18:35:01 GMT
pjw1961 I suppose my yardstick for royally effing up might be something like Hancock No one trusted her enough to give her one of the big departments of state. You’d prefer Hancock in charge of health, being as he was more “trusted”? |
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Post by colin on Nov 2, 2024 18:37:44 GMT
… some people are only happy giving it out. They wilt when a bit comes back their way. |
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Post by jib on Nov 2, 2024 18:41:38 GMT
"There is only one truth for some." and for some it's "everything, everywhere, all at once", is the junior partner in the coalition government's fault. I agree that's quite a burden, but the choice you make when you become a Liberal Democrat. |
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